“‘Imran bin Husain narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: ‘In this Ummah there shall be collapsing of the earth, transformation and Qadhf.’ A man among the Muslims said: ‘O Messenger of Allah! When is that?’ He said: ‘When singing slave-girls, music, and drinking intoxicants spread.’” (Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2212)
“It was narrated from Abu Malik Ash’ari that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘People among my nation will drink wine, calling it by another name, and musical instruments will be played for them and singing girls (will sing for them). Allah will cause the earth to swallow them up, and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.’” (Sunan Ibn Majah 4020)
“Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, ‘Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) !’ It happened on the `Id day and Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, ‘O Abu Bakr! There is an `Id for every nation and this is our `Id.’” (Sahih al-Bukhari 952)
“Udaipur butchers: Weaponized by radical ideology before picking up the cleaver,” by Nitin Jain, India Today, July 6, 2022 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
In yet another evidence that the Udaipur butchers are long-term extremists, voice notes of one of them accessed by India Today suggest the killers were already weaponized by radical ideology before they slaughtered Kanhaiyalal Teli over the alleged disrespect to the Prophet.
In an audio message to his former employer in February, assailant Riyaz Attari could be heard expressing his contempt for singing and music in accordance with some interpretations of Islamic law.
“MUSIC IS SINFUL”
Attari taunted Shoyab Pathan, a factory owner, about committing religious wrongdoing for posting a song and happy family moments in a WhatsApp status after recovering from an accident.
“As-salamu alaykum, Shoyab Bhai. You should rather be grateful to Allah who gave you a new lease of life. Don’t waste this life singing songs. Say grace and be grateful to Allah for saving your life. Don’t commit this sin of singing,” Attari told his ex-boss in a February 25 message….
Wellington says
The sin of singing?
My God, Islam is so sick, to its very core.
Well, I suppose, just analyzing matters from a purely statistical perspective, it was probable, not a given but probable, that mankind would end up with a major religion which was dysfunctional, stupid, control-freakish, filled with a plethora of bad ideas (e.g., singing and music in general is sinful) and malevolent to its core.
Mankind did. Mankind “got” Islam.
To ALL adult Muslims (I exculpate brain-washed Muslim children), shame on you for what you believe in. Deep shame. There is no excuse for what you defend. A reading of the putrid Koran, a religious hate manual if ever there were one and right up there with Mein Kampf, and a familiarity with the hadiths and sira, can only lead a person of common sense and moral intelligence to the conclusion that man indeed got a religion which is profoundly dysfunctional and a menace to mankind.
Flash ahead a century or so from now. If Islam is not by then on the extreme margins of human society as a religion, and which is a religion for losers in life, the confused and the wicked too, then this will be a very bad sign indeed. And I would never aver this about the other major religions of the world—Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism. No, here Islam is unique and in the worst ways possible.
May Allah strike me dead tonight if I have erred here. Be back tomorrow. Count on it because there is no Allah, Mohammed was a fraud and Islam as a whole remains a bane to all of mankind.
mortimer says
To Wellington … this is a legal matter … your area of expertise … Sharia law is the source of the legal framework for crushing resistance to Islam … Sharia recommends a COMMANDING THE RIGHT and FORBIDDING THE WRONG. Mohammed forbade singing.
Sharia law has an ORDER OF SEQUENCE for fighting un-Islamic behavior. SHARIA LAW APPLIES TO THE KAFIR … not just to the Muslims!
THE ORDER OF SEQUENCE for Enforcing Sharia law is the following .
(REFERENCE: Reliance of the Traveller Chapter Q5.1-8:
1The Act of Censuring q5.0
2 Degrees of Severity q5.1
3 Knowledge of the wrong act q5.2
4 Explaining that something is wrong q5.3
5 Forbidding the act verbally q5.4
6 Censuring with harsh words q5.5
7 Righting the wrong by hand q5.6
8 Intimidation q5.7
9 Assault q5.8
10 Force of arms q5.9
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Note to legalists like Wellington; JIHADISTS ALWAYS FOLLOW THIS ORDER OF ENFORCING SHARIA .
Please view two videos:
Commanding the Right and Forbidding the Wrong – Sharia explained by Lloyd De Jongh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UACbdep5RM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMBBJcUTuS0
Wellington says
Well, mortimer, and thanks for you comment, “all” that needs to be done by the West is to realize that Islam’s legal system stands opposed to the best of the legal systems of the West (e.g., English Common Law and Roman Law) and to proceed from there. No better examples than such documents as the 1689 English Bill of Rights and the 1791 First Ten Amendments to the American Constitution, neither of which could ever, would ever, have been produced by the Islamic sphere of mankind.
Instructive, highly, that England and America were far ahead of the Islamic world centuries ago. Alas, however, that so many on the Left in the West today have taken stupid advantage of the West at its best and thus the Left (and cowardly moderates) is now destroying the West from within—and far more than Islam from without ever could.
A proper understanding of the history of liberty from ancient Greece onwards, with all its fits and starts, is imperative to preserving it in our era. However, such understanding is in short supply and the three main enemies of this “understanding,” i.e., the Islamic world, Western Leftism (and what a monumental, parasitical and ungrateful stupidity it has been), and your standard retrograde and ever so tedious and wrong authoritarianism, as exhibited by the rubes now running Russia and China, never mind North Korea and so many other sorry-ass countries on the planet, stand as idiotic opponents to what mankind needs everywhere—freedom, self-knowledge, self-restraint, capitalism infused with a moral sense as any legal system must be, and a true Golden Rule for all.
The solution is so simple, so clear and unambiguous. That so much of mankind still does not grasp this serves as a tragic commentary upon the human species.
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Wellington and Mortimer.
john smith says
Agreed gravenimage, brilliant exchange. I particularly liked To ALL adult Muslims by Wellington, if I was a muslim and I read that I might start thinking twice about islam.
Thank you Mortimer for the videos I haven’t watched them yet but I will do.
tim gallagher says
Well said, Wellington. islam is extremely sick in so many ways. Not just this attitude to music and singing, but the child brides, the honour killings over trivialities, the killing of apostates, the murderous hatred of non-believers, etc. As you say, I guess that, statistically, some bunch of primitive people were bound to come up with such a load of shit of a religion. Of course, Islam is not unique. The old Aztec religion was hideous, and I suppose many other religions have, over the centuries, been evil or sick (bad or mad, or both). Islam is a problem because it is still around fouling up certain parts of the human race in 2022. That such primitive and downright evil garbage is still infecting the minds of so many people in our modern world is staggering. The brains of Muslims must be so bent out of shape to get around thinking that child brides are OK, that singing and music are not to be allowed, and so on. They need to have an Enlightenment and become human, but, of course, islam is never going to evolve and improve, so it really does need to go. For 1400 years it has been poisoning far too many people’s minds.
gravenimage says
All true, Tim. In most ways, Islam is not just immoral, but the very inversion of immorality.
tim gallagher says
Yes, gravenimage, I often think about what sort of bent and twisted and downright evil people would invent such a religion as Islam and such a concept of god as allah, the bloodthirsty creature that it is. There have obviously been hideous religions in the past, with hideous concepts of gods at their core, but the fact that islam, this primitive load of crap, is still around is terrible. I suppose voodoo is in this same evil category and is still fouling humanity up.The people who invented islam, and made up this evil scumbag Muhammad and actually thought that such a person is a good person, to be imitated, were just evil barbarians.
Fitna says
Well said Tim and Wellington.
You can tell Mohammad was an inbred loser of his time. He probably was never invited to the “cool people’s” parties and would see from a distance how they enjoyed themselves with drinking, dancing and singing and his jealousy drove him to madness.
But Mohammad got his revenge by inventing Islam and taking everything good that people enjoy in life and turning it into something evil and hideous. Now his 1.5 billion braindead army of followers continue to exact his revenge on free people and their happy lives.
Never once does it occur to Muslims maybe they’re the evil ones raining on our parade, spoiling our fun, then worse, they rape, rob, torture and attack us. We’ve done nothing to Muslims, but they plot our destruction, plan to poison our water supply, blow up our towns, cities with bombs and worst of all go after our children.
If there was ever an ideology worthy of elimination, it is Islam. Note that it can be done without hurting a single Muslim, simply by banning Islam globally.
But obviously in the real world Muslims will go apeshit if we do that, so just as they were forced into Islam by warfare, it will take warfare to end Islam. However that is better than to let this evil death cult grow and spread like the cancer that it is.
tim gallagher says
I agree with everything you say there, Fitna. But I’m not sure that islam will ever go. I mean it has over a billion followers so it is a massive task to try to eliminate it. I suppose that fear might keep quite a few Muslims in the huge cult (and how pathetic that people who wake up and want to leave the vile ideology are to be killed for doing so in islam) It would be wonderful to see islam banned. But look at all the people who keep telling us that islam is OK, peaceful and nothing to be all that concerned about. Nowhere near enough people have woken up to islam’s nature yet. Keeping islam out of non-Muslim countries would also be a great idea, but it seems a long way off. The Muslims would certainly go apeshit if it was ever suggested that their evil ideology should be banned. What a great thing it would be to see that happen some day. Just a pleasant, utopian dream at the moment.
Fitna says
Thanks Tim and well said.
At the very least free people can work to eliminate Islam within their nations, such as Europe, India, Israel, Canada, etc.
It’d take a very strong, determined group of people either to get power or to influence politicians to work to ban this death cult.
In fact that can be easily done within existing laws that are on the books. So even if the people in power are sympathetic to Islam (so long as they’re not ardent Muslims), then they can be pressured to end Islam on those laws alone.
In the Netherlands for example, Geert Wilders has pushed to ban the Quran and eventually, if/when his message gets taken seriously it will definitely happen.
The people holding us back are the idiots on the Left mostly who still believe the lie that Islam is a peaceful religion.
For example Islam is seditious-it calls for the overthrow of infidel gov’ts to replace them with Sharia law and Islamic rule. Then it is racist against Jews, blacks, bigoted against gays and non-Muslims.
There is so much data in the texts and so much evidence of Muslims’ behavior that they’d have no choice but to admit Islam is a true danger to us.
Ofc the scummy Muslims will riot and cause trouble if they see this is happening and there’s a solution for that as well, jail or deportation or just declare war and do what’s needed.
Most of that 1.5 billion population is largely in the mideast and Asia….so they’ll largely remain in their countries unable to do anything to us, unless they were serious about waging war.
Obviously this will require us to make sure Pakistan and Iran are denuclearized and dangerous nations like Turkey and Saudi Arabia get the finger wag to not try anything stupid and have their own clandestine nuke program or face our wrath.
Lastly let’s not forget there are millions of people who are ex-Muslims (esp in Iran) who want to overthrow their Islamic rulers. So we can help them retake their countries both directly and indirectly.
Once they declare Islam is illegal…then it’s a matter of putting state power, (cops/military) against those terrorists the way they do to non-Muslims today. It won’t happen overnight, but Islam is beatable, just as Nazism was.
tim gallagher says
Well, if enough of the populations of non-Muslim countries do wake the hell up about islam’s malignant nature, Fitna, then the sort of tough actions that you outline could definitely happen. I would love to see this happen. At the moment, there are just too many sleepwalkers around, people who haven’t yet woken up to the dangers of Islam and how it is a threat to all aspects of our way of life. I do hope that there are vast numbers of ex-Muslims, people who have had more than enough of the barbaric crap that comprises islam, but maybe out of fear are not yet showing that they have, in reality, left islam behind. Anyway, here’s hoping that what you outline as a course of action comes to pass, Fitna. I also put islam on the same level as Nazism. Both evil and with no redeeming features that I can see. I’d love to see islam suffer the same fate as nazism. and see it get smashed..
Fitna says
Thanks Tim and seconded.
You are correct, far too many people are uninformed and we’re all sleepwalking into disaster (as Newt Gingrich once said about Islam).
So it is a tough battle, esp. because so many are ignorant. But Muslims will help our cause by continuing to engage in terrorism, rape, violence, etc. that the connection will become Pavlovian and undeniable for observers.
It will take some brave souls to start the anti-Islam movement, but I’ve seen it done in other countries, people marching and saying they don’t want Islam in their countries and it’s worked to an extent.
We just need to bring these people together under one banner and bring attention to this evil filthy ideology and hopefully it’ll get destroyed as Nazism was.
Abdul says
Wellington, couldn’t agree more. Long-term damage done by Islam to humankind is immeasurable.
bill says
We cannot have more evidence of what a miserable ‘religion’ Islam is than the attitude to music. An art form that has existed from the earliest times and in almost all cultures which has given and continues to give pleasure and delight to billions of people around the world.
somehistory says
The God of the Bible, and not the fake one of islam, gave us the gift of music….don’t birds sing beautifully, and even whales, and waterfalls…and the tongue, lips, vocal cords, intelligence to compose music and song, and to make instruments to accompany the human voice…violins, cello, piano….so many. To sing and make music is not a sin; in fact the angels in heaven sing.
so, let us get right to what is the sin in this horrific death: murdering the poor man. That is the sin. Even people who do not believe in either the God of the Bible or the fake ‘god’ of islam, recognize that the sin…another word for crime…or lawbreaking…is the murder of this man by the mozlums who seem to believe they can dish out punishment. What awful creatures these murderers are.
mortimer says
MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AND SINGING ARE ‘HARAM’ in Islam. SHARIA LAW is the source of the hatred of music in Islam. Muslims may not disagree with Sharia.
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SHARIA LAW MANUAL: RELIANCE OF THE TRAVELLER ON MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
K2.3: Usefulness
It is invalid to transact something which is not useful (O: whether the reason for invalidity is the article’s baseness or the smallness of the amount being dealt with,) such as vermin, a single grain of wheat, or unlawful musical instruments (dis: r40) (O: such as the mandolin or flute, since there is no lawful benefit in them).
Q5.6: Fighting the Wrong By Hand
-2- and to break the instruments, for example, just enough to obviate their being used for disobedience and no more, or to be careful not to break the bottles when pouring out wine. If one cannot manage except by throwing rocks at the bottles or the like, then one may do so and is not obliged to cover the damages.
Chapter R40.0: MUSIC, SONG, AND DANCE
@R40.1: Musical-2- “On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”
-3- “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage
-4- “This Community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones.” Someone asked, “When will this be, O messenger of Allah?” and he said, “When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful.”
-5- “There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful….”
All of this is explicit and compelling textual evidence that musical instruments of all types are unlawful (Kaff al-ra`a’ `an muharramat al-lahw wa al-sama` (y49), 2.269-70).
Instruments
(Ibn Hajar Haytami:) As for the condemnation of musical instruments, flutes, strings, and the like by the Truthful and Trustworthy (Allah bless him and give him peace), who
“does not speak from personal caprice: it is nothing besides a revelation inspired” (Koran 53:3-4),
R40.2
(Nawawi:) It is unlawful to use musical instruments-such as those which drinkers are known for, like the mandolin, lute, cymbals and flute-or to listen to them. It is permissible to play the tambourine at weddings, circumcisions, and other times, even if it has bells on its sides. Beating the kuba, a long drum with a narrow middle, is unlawful (Mughni al-muhtaj ila ma`rifa ma`ani alfaz al-Minhaj (y73) m, 4.429-30).
……
Muslims ignore their enjoyment of music because ALLAH KNOWS BEST.
somehistory says
Golden Rule; YOU SHOUT AT ME, SO YOU MUST WANT ME TO SHOUT AT YOU.
I DON’T GIVE A FIG WHAT THE LAWLESSNESS OF ISLAM HAS TO SAY. YOU CAN KEEP IT FOR YOUR DREAMS. THE ADHERENTS OF ISLAM ARE LIKE THE OUTLAWS OF THE OLD WEST. THEY MAKE UP THEIR OWN RULES., WHICH ARE NOT LAWS, BUT THE OPPOSITE OF LAW.
NOW, GO AWAY TO YOUR NEST.
Fitna says
Mortimer, why do you keep quoting and annoying SomeHistory? Don’t be a pain in the azz for others here.
somehistory says
thank you. Fitna. I’m going to try to just ignore him from this point. I’m tired of being annoyed by his arrogance, and insistence on quoting from the book of evil filth and debauchery.
Fitna says
You’re welcome SH…ok good idea. Ya he almost seems to get off on quoting it as if he’s lecturing or preaching to us.
Sometimes it is informative, but usually I just skip over his posts. So I agree, best to ignore him if you can.
Westman says
My attitude toward anyone who doesn’t like music in some form is, “Danger”.
Muhammad’s hatred of music was personal, not of the Allah that he so feverishly attempted to graft into the Talmud and Old Testament. As you have said, the very angels of heaven are described as singing.
It is rather obvious that Muhammad wanted warriors who spent no time on finer distraction pursuits, like women and song, and would attack and kill on command. Being Allah’s only spokesperson, he simply made anything in his way, haram.
Islam may be the only religion with no significant musical heritage.
somehistory says
I agree. Music can be so soothing to the soul, relaxing to the nerves and express so much feeling. It’s a real pleasure to listen to good music. The composers from olden days, like Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, the King of the Waltz, Johann Strauss and many others such great gifts are music and song.
Fitna says
So fricking true SH…I love music, all kinds…what a dull world it’d be without it and great books and artwork.
As a comedian once said, someone told him he d”oesn’t eat pork for religious reasons.” He replied he “doesn’t do religion for pork reasons.”
For Muslim Mohammad and Islam is the line in the sand for them. For me it’s pork, music, freedom, etc everything I love about western life, that’s my line in the sand.
They can FOD. I think one day we will be at war with these people if our knuckleheaded politicians still don’t wake up in time. People should prepare accordingly.
PRCS says
“The God of the Bible…gave us the gift of music in fact the angels in heaven sing.”
That you believe those things is one thing, but they are not facts.
Human beings have created music and art for many thousands of years before the advent of Christianity.
PRCS says
“The God of the Bible…gave us the gift of music in fact the angels in heaven sing.”
That you believe those things is one thing, but they are not facts.
Human beings have created music and art for many thousands of years before the advent of Christianity.
PMK says
“The God of the Bible” is not exclusively Christian. Human civilization existed for thousands of years before the Christian era. The Bible itself relates much of the early history of Jews and of others who existed long before the birth of Christ.
somehistory says
+100
PRCS says
The paintings in the Cave of Lascaux were created by human beings thousands of years ago.
Neither the Old nor New Testaments had anything to do with that.
Hate to break it to you, but that’s a -100 SH.
Westman says
PRCS, I tend to think that humans copied the basics of singing and rhythm from nature, birds, natural oscillations, falling water, tubal resonances, etc. We didn’t invent them, rather we expanded upon them, creating instruments, harmonies, and lyrics to expand our musical capabilities into an organized system that appeals to the human brain. Music is perhaps the only universal language besides mathematics.
I can go anywhere in the Western world and find another musicians who will join in to play jazz standards.
Muslims who actually reject music because of religious edict should feel cheated and incomplete.
somehistory says
Don Williams, a country singer, noted in one of his most soothing songs,
“I can still hear the soft southern winds in the live oak trees.” From “Good Ole’ Boys Like Me.”
It’s a great sound from nature, and quite melodious.
By the way, what instrument do you play?
PRCS says
‘PRCS, I tend to think that humans copied the basics of singing and rhythm from nature, birds, natural oscillations, falling water, tubal resonances, etc. We didn’t invent them, rather we expanded upon them, creating instruments, harmonies, and lyrics to expand our musical capabilities into an organized system that appeals to the human brain. Music is perhaps the only universal language besides mathematics.”
Yes. An evolutionary process.
gravenimage says
India: Muslim who murdered Hindu tailor previously warned man not to ‘commit sin of singing’
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An Islamic murder preceded by Islamic threats? Who would have thought? sarc/off
Fitna says
Indeed Graven, that tailor should’ve called the police right away and have him arrested, ofc that is a longshot given political correctness in India but better than nothing. He should’ve had a gun or other weapon ready for that Muslim pig.
gravenimage says
Yes–I wish he’d been able to get help.
But my understanding is that he posed as a customer of the tailor’s, then crept up behind his victim as he was noting the murderer’s measurements. The “Prophet” confirmed that Muslims are allowed to use deceit to get close enough to kill their victims.
Fitna says
I hear you Graven.
What a sneaky bastard but Muslims tend to be underhanded and devious in how they deal with non-Muslims.
You’re right, Mohammad said war is deceit so the Muslims are just following his commands to the letter.
Sadly people are dying over this evil ideology and will continue to do so until every nation wakes up and fights back.
somehistory says
One line at the bottom of the report, seems to indicate that he had worked for the man he killed.
Devasur says
The Germany will remain silent on this but wants India to release the originator of nupur Sharma incident the jihadi zubair because they are concerned of freedom of press.
Western countries aid and promote Islam.
BeijingYankee says
I wonder what Mohammad had to say about mental illness?
gravenimage says
Islam’s own texts conform that many people thought that Mohammad was insane, and he himself feared that he was going mad.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Too bad that the antipsychotic phenothiazine derivatives were not invented until centuries later.
Abdul says
Had that happened,, all these 1.3 billions people would be living much much better lives. There was no reason they had to be following such a psychotic religion
Andrew Blackadder says
islamic teachings really do come from a Demon and that started when muhamad,may piss be upon him, met a fallen angel in his cave…These morons have zero joy in their life.
If singing and dancing are haram then how come the wee Bachi Boys are loved by the Tali Boys?.
somehistory says
+10