The French non-Muslims have to adapt. The Muslims don’t. The principle is always and everywhere the same: in Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Muslim sensibilities. In non-Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Muslim sensibilities. If Muslims want to wear the burkini, they should be allowed to set their own rules. But in every case, all too many Muslims and their allies demand that all laws, customs, and practices give way to their own.
“’We have to adapt culturally’: in Tours, the management of the aquatic center defends the burkini,” translated from “« Il nous faut nous adapter cultuellement » : à Tours, la direction du centre aquatique défend le burkini,” Valeurs Actuelles, August 6, 2022 (thanks to Medforth):
We have to credit David Lagache for being honest. The director of Récréa, the company that runs the aquatic centre on behalf of the metropolis of Tours (Indre-et-Loire), has decided to allow the burkini in his pools. A position he explained in detail on Friday July 29 on the aquatic centre’s Facebook page. In his opinion, reports La Nouvelle République, the burkini affects “one to two people per week,” which he considers little compared to the “450,000 users welcomed each year.”
However, to hear it, the burkini does not pose any hygiene problem – an argument frequently put forward by opponents of this full Islamic jersey. “The material is designed for swimming,” he explains, saying that “these suits are 100% Lycra and sometimes even from a brand specializing in swimming.” No problem allowing it in swimming pools, unlike swim shorts: “everyone can wear their shorts outside the pool and come and bathe directly in them, which, in terms of hygiene, is not possible.”
“It is forbidden to forbid “
The arguments of the Récréa management are not, however, limited to the hygienic aspect of the debate. According to David Lagache, it is also a matter of adapting to the increasingly frequent wearing of the burkini – and what this phenomenon implies. “We have to adapt culturally to our evolving society,” he says simply. In addition, he underlines, “it is forbidden to ban burkinis except under the influence of a prefectural decree.” However, “some prefects have tried and their decisions have been rejected.”“In the current state of the law, the wearing of the burkini in swimming pools can neither be prohibited nor authorized for religious reasons,” confirms Tours Métropole, which specifies that “only considerations of public order (hygiene, safety and disturbances to public order) may justify its prohibition.” No problem of this type having been reported in Tours, despite the many letters sent to the management of Récréa and the town hall by users, the burkini will therefore be able to continue its establishment in Touraine.
Wellington says
Yes, when do Muslims in Muslim majority nations “adapt” to non-Muslims in their midst? Why not start with Saudi Arabia as an example—how many churches are there in said land and how many bikini-clad women can go swimming in public? And then there is that highly tolerant regime that runs Iran, can’t forget about it. How about how Pakistan “adapts” to Christians and Hindus (what’s left of them) in said country?
Islam, you are a giant hypocrite. You parasitically use the freedom of the West to make your requests— actually demands—but in your sphere non-Muslims making requests would not only not have them met, they would be in grave danger ordinarily for even posing them.
I hate Islam for many reasons. Hypocrisy is one of them.
somehistory says
Well said. Nothing to add, except …so many, many reasons…it would take a page to write them all.
Wellington says
Or maybe ten pages, somehistory. Yes, maybe ten.
somehistory says
Probably so, Wellington. Mr. Spencer has written many books, Mr. Ibrahim has written at least one book, many articles, and made many videos…might take more than ten pages.
gravenimage says
So true, Wellington–Muslims use anything to spread Islam–including their victims’ own laws.
mortimer says
Wellington wrote that ‘hypocrisy’ is a flaw in Islam. Well, it is more exactly ‘DUALISM’.
Islam has two ideas on most every subject: one idea is the normal practice and the other is for the exceptions. You never know which of the two will be practiced. It depends on which choice is more advantageous to Islam. The decision of what is ‘advantageous’ is made by the mullahs.
Sharia law supports Islam’s HONOR/SHAME culture. Whatever promotes the ‘honor’ of Islam is the truth, even if it is false. The mullahs condemn it when kafirs reveal what Islam teaches, even when that is accurate and true, because it brings disapproval upon Islam.
Islam is the only religion that endorses lying about their doctrines in order to promote the faith among the uninformed.
That’s quite a paradox.
Wellington says
Well, mortimer, thanks for that but I would argue that dualism and mendacity are just two more reasons to despise Islam and they sometimes can overlap with sheer hypocrisy. There’s no limit it seems to the depths that Islam can sink to. It is the longest lived and best disguised evil ideology of all time. Nazism and Marxism are mere junior varsity “players” compared to Islam.
Bill says
It is evidence of how obsessed Muslim are with their bodies. At a gym I go to there are some private cubicles where one can undress out of sight. I have noticed one of the Muslim guys who goes there sometimes uses the private cubicle to change his shorts! His companion however does not.
bill says
Sorry should be a comma after sometimes. Ie. he always uses the private facility
gravenimage says
France: Pool director says ‘We have to adapt culturally,’ allow the burkini
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Other cities in France have already caved–Grenoble, back in May.
But the “burkini” is just the first step. When they have gotten this concession, Muslims will be demanding swimming in full Niqabs and Burqas, and separate swimming hours for women.
Wellington says
Yes indeed, gravenimage. Muslim demands are never ceasing and that is why none should be acquiesced to in the first place.
somehistory says
Don’t give a centimeter. Never mind an inch. Stand firm in place. No moving back.
mortimer says
Stand on the Constitution and the rule of law. Stand on human rights. Sharia law is opposed to them.
The courts are unable to support discriminatory Sharia, because it is discriminatory.
VICTORMc. says
Don’t be ridiculous, France became a Muslim state years ago. Any ‘westerner’ who goes there is just a plain idiot.
Infidel says
Not just that, it starts w/ the demand that muslimahs be allowed to wear them, and then evolves into a demand that all women – muslim or not – must wear them
mortimer says
To Infidel: it was not always a right to wear a bikini or male swimming trunks. Now that will likely never change.
As Muslims live in the West, they are immersed in a culture of freedom that they will not easily oppose. They like the freedom. Such Western Muslims who go to places like Saudi Arabia immediately realize they don’t like the restrictions.
This is when the cognitive dissonance really begins.
jca reid says
Nope! to paraphrase previous comments, ‘not one nanometer’. Not even a picometer. They’ll start wheedling their way into everything to het their own way. In UK there are ‘men only days, basically Muslim men day. In Luton, England, I think it’s Wednesdays They don’t conform or even recognise the Laws of the non-Muslim country they live in.
Back in the Twenties, Hitler tried a military coup. It was a mitigated disaster. so, he entered the Democratic Process & won that way.
All the Muslims are doing is flooding into Western Europe & breeding like bunnies & it’s the natives who are paying the ever increasing Welfare Bills, through their taxes.
On youtube look for: Apostate Prophet – WARNING: Muslim Scholar Says We will conquer & enslave you in 40-50 years. [it’s only about 7 minutes long]. This senior Muslim scholar has the title of Sheikh & is based in the USA! That’s the plan for over there as well.
mortimer says
UK lawyers soon realized the can of worms that was opened when Parliament approved Sharia law courts.
mortimer says
HYGIENE is in fact the main concern. I don’t think non-swimwear should be allowed in pools. Depending on where you live, the water in a pool must be tested every fifteen minutes and then corrected.
If the water is fouled, then the people must leave the pool to protect their health. The ideal swimwear is nothing for the matter of hygiene.
We did that when I was a boy. It made pool hygiene easier. That was the idea, because poorer boys would not have the means to buy a suit. We were all equal wearing nothing in the pool.
Check Burry says
Naked swims, thats the best way of eliminating our enemies from pools. Of course they could all chip in and build their own mus pools, fully paid for by mus, lets face it the mosks are very lavish places, gold here and there, fine stone work, if they can afford all that, then go build a mus pool & fully finance it.
People says
We all know muslims don’t work…you think they’re gonna carry bricks, put cement and build anything besides a mosquito…I mean mosque…dude you’re expecting too much of them
Gospel Day says
Infidel says: “…it starts w/ the demand that muslimahs be allowed to wear them, and then evolves into a demand that all women – muslim or not – must wear them.”
In 22 years of living in the south of France, I’ve seen the changes coming…
In a town down the coast from my home, a few years ago, two “women” in burkinis left grenades on the beach. (I say “women” because there was doubt in the report; the local police refused to say if it was men in drag…er, disguise.) The town council proposed a formal ban on burkinis as a result, and the ensuing discussion was of a level of absurdity worthy of Orwell. One argument was that “teenage boys go to the beach and set off firecrackers, so do we ban boys from the beach?” And so on. My immediate thought was, well, a AAA-cup woman could easily hide two grenades in her bikini top, so why are we discriminating against muslimas? Of course, at one time that wouldn’t have been possible, since the French woman’s bathing suit consisted of a minimal scrap of (vey hygienic) material below the waist. That changed with pressure from local mosques.
I’ve always felt such sorrow for these oppressed women, particularly as they roast and self-baste in the nailing sun and hot salt-heavy air, while their bare-chested men in shorts splash about with the children. We should all be praying for their emancipation, even if it has to come through health concerns first. France is supposed (ha) to be about “LIBERTE EGALITE FRATERNITE”. I love what mortimer says: “We were all equal wearing nothing in the pool.”
VICTORMc. says
Your mistake “Gospel Day” was going to France in the first place let alone buying property there.
I and my wife and family used to be very regular visitors and spend endless weekends and a month a year holidays near where you write from. NOTHING would get us to go back EVER. We consider France to be a Muslim country long since been in the hands of Algerians.
ENJOY……..
Andrew Blackadder says
French women are often Nude or Topless on many Beaches on the French Riviera and it would make a great photo of one Burkini babe next to a Topless French babe…Nude Beaches and Lakes,Rivers,Parks, abound across Europe, Ive been on many, Germany,Netherlands,Norway, Spain and France.
The best way to swim is nude.
muslims couldnt handle that.
People says
Muslim women in Christian countries should be commanded to not wear any type of head covering. Start there.