There is, of course, domestic violence in all cultures. So to post this is just “Islamophobic,” right? Wrong: there is domestic violence in all cultures, but only in one does it have divine sanction. Islam doesn’t teach that man may kill his wife or girlfriend, but once you’ve allowed him to beat her, accidents will happen.
The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Muhammad’s child bride, Aisha, says in a hadith that Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: ‘Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?’” — Sahih Muslim 2127
An another hadith states: “Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Messenger came, Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!’” — Sahih Bukhari 7.77.5825
“Bloody deed in Lichtenberg: man kills woman with axe, police shoot perpetrator,” translated from “Bluttat in Lichtenberg: Mann erschlägt Frau mit Axt, Polizei erschießt Täter,” by Katrin Bischoff, Carola Tunk and Christian Gehrke, Berliner Zeitung, September 4, 2022 (thanks to Medforth):
Bloody deed in the Friedrichsfelde district of Lichtenberg: On Sunday morning, a 23-year-old man hit a 27-year-old woman with an ax in an apartment on Löwenberger Strasse. The police shot the man. Any help came too late for the woman, too.
Around 7:40 a.m., neighbors heard the horrible screams of a woman inside the apartment building. They dialed 911 for the police. The police initially announced via Twitter that they had been alerted at 7:50 a.m.
Murder in Lichtenberg: motive still unclear
When officers entered the ninth-floor apartment, they saw a horrifying sight. “There, a man was hitting a woman with an axe,” said police spokesman Stefan Petersen-Schümann on Sunday afternoon in front of the ten-storey building where the crime happened. The police then used firearms, killing the man with the axe.The victim could not be helped either, the woman died at the scene of her serious injuries. The 4th Murder Commission took up the investigation. Federal police officers were brought in because they had the equipment to determine identities, it said.
According to initial findings, the woman killed is a Ukrainian. The perpetrator comes from Kosovo. Both were not married and were not registered in the one-room apartment, it said. The police were initially unable to say what the relationship between the perpetrator and the victim was.
Police: Investigations continue on Monday
The homicide investigations continue on Monday morning. It is still unclear why the man killed the woman. “We have to wait. The Berlin public prosecutor’s office will probably continue the case,” said a police spokesman.In the prefab building with two staircases from the 1960s near Frankfurter Allee there are a total of around 400 one- and two-room apartments. The rents are cheap. A tenant reports that roaring can often be heard in the building.
A young man who lives in the vicinity of the crime apartment says that he heard loud screaming at around 7 a.m. in the morning. Someone, apparently the man who was shot later, hammered on his apartment door. The witness says that his door was damaged as a result. The neighbor reports that he did not dare to open the door. Later he saw large traces of blood on his apartment door. A video he took shows blood splattered on the linoleum in front of his door and a larger bloodstain near the spy hole.
In the apartment where the crime occurred, the windows of which overlook a playground at the back, the police photographer’s flashlight could still be seen hours after the bloody event. At around 1 p.m., the coroner arrived at the ten-story building to collect the bodies. They should be autopsied.
A gas and water plumber had also been called to the house in the morning. Unknown persons had unscrewed a heating valve on the tenth floor – i.e. above the crime apartment. Four screws had been loosened for this purpose, it said. Water poured into the basement, the power from the elevator had to be turned off. The police could not say whether there was a connection to the bloody deed.
GdP: The question of using a Taser is not fair
The police union (GdP) reacted shocked to the incident on Monday morning. GdP spokesman Benjamin Jendro said: “No police officer likes to shoot, but the cruel operation yesterday morning shows the life-threatening exceptional situations in which our colleagues find themselves and that there are unfortunately always scenarios in which the gun remains the only means. We hope that the forces involved will be able to process the events in the best possible way.”The question of whether a taser would have changed anything at the exit is purely speculative and not fair to the emergency services because they did not have this opportunity, Jendro said. “We need it across the board because it can be used to de-escalate in many scenarios. But if someone hits a person with an axe, we are long past that point.”
Fitna says
Aren’t there verses in the Quran/Hadiths that allow for honor-killing?
But yes I can see Muslim men taking that verse (4:34) to beat their wives to the extreme. What a “great religion” if you’re a man who feels he has the right to control, abuse and even kill women.
Almost as if the religion was written by men to given themselves permission to behave any way they please and not be punished for it.
If there was an Allah and assuming he cared about his ‘childen’ equally, he’d be furious at men for treating women this way using his name. Unless their god is just an evil scumbag…but obviously it’s all man-made nonsense.
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims do not see themselves as the children of Allah. They think of themselves as the slaves of Allah who were created only to do the will of Allah. The god of the Muslims is not the same god of the Christians and Jews. Allah is indeed a man-made god; made by Muhammed – for the benefit of Muhammad. Muslim men strive to emulate Muhammad and I would dare say Muhammad enjoyed nothing more than being the master over women.
Fitna says
Agreed CES….except on the god point. Until I see/meet one in person, then all 6,000 gods were invented by humans including yours.
The only reason you think yours is real is because you were brainwashed into it at a young age when children don’t know the difference between fact and fiction.
If you tell kids Santa is real, the moon is made out of cheese, they’ll believe you, because evolutionarily speaking, it is an advantage to the species when the offspring believe their parents blindly.
somehistory says
I don’t know about others, but I came to realize that God truly IS when I was no longer a child. I was not brainwashed.
CogitoErgoSum says
Fitna, maybe I have been brainwashed but then again maybe you have been brainwashed also. You can believe whatever you wish. I’ve decided what I believe is a good way for me to live my life. I also find this life less depressing if I believe there is something better that comes after I die. I don’t see the point if everything just ends in oblivion but I don’t have a problem if you don’t believe what I believe. I think that’s something you should decide for yourself.
BTW, I’ve never met you in person but I do believe you exist. Another thing I believe about you is that your biggest problem with what I believe concerns my position on abortion … or is that just a figment of my imagination?
somehistory says
Yes, CES. we can’t see the wind, or love, or hate, or hunger, or sound…but there is plenty of evidence that these things exist. just as there is a mountain of evidence that God Lives.
Believing without God speaking to us with a loud voice individually out of heaven, without seeing Him with our eyes, or meeting Him as we would a fellow human, is what Faith is all about. And the abundant evidence is there is one wishes to see it.
Fitna says
SomeHistory, I was a Christian until about 13 yrs old, put Jesus and prayer to the test. I quickly realized all the claims the pastor made were lies. I realized I was duped and then I never looked back.
Ofc it takes time for anyone to examine their own faith critically and then come to that same realization, but some people never do.
Without pointing to man-made so-called “holy books” or claims of ‘miracles’ what was the evidence that the Christian god was real but not the other man-made gods?
The only place I heard about a god is through people, who heard it from their parents, who got it from a book, written by humans who claim a god exists.
Where is the objective evidence your god is real? You realize it would be an Earth-shattering event if either an alien or a god visited us, but that’s never happened. It’s only been claims, half-truths, no proof or evidence.
It seems your all-powerful god can do anything except make himself appear to us. If there was a god there would be only one holy book, one religion and we wouldn’t need faith, since it’d be a fact known to all.
The world appears exactly as it would with all its different religions if there was no god. Also why would god send his message to peasants in Palestine, but billions of other people, Chinese, Indians, Aztecs, etc never heard of Jesus? Doesn’t that strike you as odd?
Fitna says
To address your point on evidence SH, wind, love, hunger, sound, all can be experienced and are provable.
While emotions are more esoteric, you can still take brain scans of people in different moods and they provide proof of certain emotions or states of mind.
The wind can be detected because it’s the motion of molecules, we can detect electricity, radio waves and anything else that exists in nature.
Faith is just another way of saying to believe something exists, without evidence. I have faith this invisible car is real. I have faith that a supermodel is attracted to me.
Faith is utterly meaningless and not a path to evidence. As Nietzsche once succinctly stated:
“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.”
Why does this god only appear to you and not me or the one billion plus humans who are starving and have no adequate drinking water? Why does your god help you find your car keys, but ignores millions of Christians and Jews that were killed by Muslims and Nazis?
Do you not think they believe as passionately as you did? What’s his amazing plan that involves children being raped/killed, so they go to heaven and this only life is destroyed?
As Occam’s razor points out, sometimes the simplest answer is the right one. In that case, the right answer is god does nothing for the poor, for the raped kids and people being thrown into ovens because he doesn’t exist. There is no greater purpose.
No actually benevolent God would allow such suffering, if I could stop it, I certainly would, so if your god is real, then I’m more moral than your god.
somehistory says
Fitna,
I am short on time today and my health is suffering from the heat, but just allow me to say that not everyone wants everlasting life. some people just don’t want to live forever.
Other people want to be their own “god,’ like satan promised Eve. These want to decide for themselves what is right and what…if anything…is wrong. these ones want to be free of God, to do as they will. that is their choice.
God has not obliterated the world of mankind since He made the flood of Noah’s time and left eight souls alive to once again work on filling the earth.
A little kid does not understand the workings of his father’s mind until he grows up, and then, maybe not even then.
We can’t completely know the Mind of God.
But just as a human father allows his kids to make some mistakes before he corrects them, our Heavenly Father does the same.
He is allowing mankind to make every mistake of which they can dream up, and then He will show us just Who He is and what He will do to make matters right.
If you don’t believe, even if you don’t wish to believe, that is your choice. And if that is your choice…not to want to believe…nothing I can write here will move you to think differently.
But “every house is constructed by someone. He that constructed all things, is God.”
With the Webb telescope, even the most brilliant scientists who study the universe are now admitting to being wrong on so many of their assumptions.
By the way, my parents took us to church. but strangely, neither one ever mentioned God to me or in my hearing. they didn’t tell me to “say prayers” or any such thing your parents may have said to you. They didn’t pray in my presence, so I don’t know if they did at all.
I had a lot of questions while going to church as a little kid. By the time I was a teenager, we had not attended church in nearly a decade. I found God because I searched for Him. I wanted to know if and Who He was. I found Him and it was the best part of my life. He gave me beautiful children and equally beautiful grandchildren. And He has promised me eternal life….just for loving Him enough to have faith in His promises.
Fitna says
Hi SH, sorry to hear your health is suffering from the heat…I’d recommend stick with air-conditioned places if you can.
I’m not sure if you’re aware but even Christians are admitting that Adam and Eve, Jonah and the whale, Noah’s Ark, etc are just myths, fairy tales.
Also you can’t generate billions of people from incest. How did we get all the different races from two white people or eight?
I’m not sure what you meant by everlasting life, but there is absolutely no evidence of worlds or realms existing outside our own…except in human imagination.
Everyone acts like a god because we all have minds and make our own decisions. The fallacy that all Theists make is to assume ancient books written by goat-herders were “inspired” by the Creator of the universe.
Given all the horrendous mistakes in all so-called ‘holy books’ it’s obvious they’re man-made, not God-given.
We don’t need to be mind-readers, we just need to realize anyone claiming an all-powerful, all-loving god fails miserably in that claim when he allowed the Holocaust, the rape of women and children and other atrocities.
What’s the “great plan” to allow Muslim men to force girls/women to live under bedsheets their whole lives or face beating, torture and honor-killing? It’s a stupid plan.
You mentioned you ‘found God’ later in life, but you were raised in a religious context so it’s no surprise you’d “re-discover” your religion later on.
You never answered my question, why did god reveal himself to you and not us 7 billion non-Christians? Don’t you find that strange? Is he just the god of Jews and Christians and everyone else is doomed to hell? Another stupid plan that makes no sense.
Nothing personal SH, but the fact is that all Theists are gullible. You’ve been sold a pack of lies…they invented a disease “sin” and sold you the cure “Jesus” and you fell for it.
What’s more likely that the laws of the universe were suspended, or that humans scammed and lied to other unwitting humans?
How did many countries in the mideast become Muslim? Did Allah reveal himself to them? Or was Islam largely spread by sword and fire? Obviously it was the latter. The same with Christianity, it too was spread by force, no gods were involved, just humans forcing their beliefs on others to control and enslave them.
I’d encourage you to read some secular books outside of your religion to get another perspective.
CES earlier mentioned he preferred comforting lies over the harsh truth since it’d be depressing for him. I can understand that and at least he’s honest. I’d rather know what is real and true and what is a lie so that I’m not under any false illusions. If you value truth as well, then I’d encourage you to dig a little deeper.
What if you discover there are no gods, angels, heaven, hell. This is the only life we all ever get. At least you’d live your life more fully and without any blinders on, just a suggestion.
milo minderbinder says
CES, I appreciate and agree with many of your posts. However, on this post, we should be able to agree to disagree on a few comments that you made.
“The god of the Muslims is not the same “god” of the Christians and Jews.”
I would prefer… The god of the Muslims is not the same “God” of the Christians and Jews. There can only be One True God, I believe that is the “God” of the Christians and Jews.
“Allah is indeed a man-made god; made by Muhammed.”
I believe that Allah exists, that he isn’t a figment of Muhammed’s imagination, if Muhammed actually existed. Allah is real, he exists, he is more commonly known as Satan. I believe the Islam comes from the pit of hell and that Muhammed, if he existed, was demon possessed.
milo minderbinder says
Correction:
I believe that Allah exists, that he isn’t a figment of Muhammed’s imagination, if Muhammed actually existed. Allah is real, he exists, he is more commonly known as Satan. I believe “that” Islam comes from the pit of hell and that Muhammed, if he existed, was demon possessed.
CogitoErgoSum says
Milo, I go back and forth on whether or not Muhammad existed. I tend to believe that he did. As for Allah being Satan I don’t think Muhammad ever actually talked to Allah but instead spoke with an entity who claimed to be Jibril (or Gabriel). So Allah could just be some lies this entity (maybe Satan) whispered into Muhammad’s ear or maybe Muhammad was insane. There is no way to know for sure. The end result, Islam, certainly seems to have come from Satan though.
I also go back and forth on whether to use God or Yahweh or Jehovah when referring to the Creator of life in this universe. I think I prefer Yahweh to lessen the chances of confusion and I may start using that name from now onward. Anyway, I appreciate your comments. Hope to hear more from you.
milo minderbinder says
CES,
Robert Spencer wrote a book, “Did Muhammad Exist,” a book that I haven’t read, so I don’t know what Robert Spencer’s thesis is.
Jay Smith, at Pfander Centre for Apologetics – https://www.pfander.uk/videos/ – has also questioned the existence of Muhammad.
It’s been some time since I last listened to a teaching on Islam by Jay Smith, if memory serves me correctly, always a dangerous way of communicating for me, he seems to think that Muhammad is a composite of different people. He further states, again working from memory, that some of the earliest Mosques, the Qibla didn’t point to Mecca but to Petra in Jordan.
Again, working from memory, I think Mr. Smith states that the earliest Mosques and, I think the Dome of the Rock, there isn’t any mention of Muhammad.
When it comes to referring to God, I vary, sometimes I will use the term, The God of the Bible, other times I will use the term, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. When referring to Jesus Christ, I prefer His Jewish name, Yeshua Ha’Mashiach.
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.” Joshua 1:9
Fitna says
CES, so here’s why I’m not brainwashed but you and all believers in the world are. Because as children we know nothing about gods, until it is taught to us.
If you were born in India you’d believe in other gods like Vishnu or Bhagwant, same goes for the mideast, you’d believe in Allah. If you were born in classical Greece, then you’d believe in Zeus and Thor.
Think about Santa Claus, did you know anything about some fat man bearing gifts from the North Pole? Ofc not-it was taught to you, just as Jesus was.
Ofc once you examine the Bible more closely and see all the errors, contradictions and other nonsense, you quickly realize these words/ideas don’t come from any god, but very primitive and foolish humans.
Yes there are some nice poems and some good morals, but there’s a lot of evil taught in the Bible as well, like stoning virgins to death and condoning slavery.
Are you saying you’d rather hear a positive lie than the “depressing truth”? I think the main thing is that you no longer have blinders on, you realize heaven and hell are right here on Earth and this is the only life you get so make the most of it. I think life can be depressing but also exciting, depending on how you live your life.
So my perspective is science and reality based. There is zero evidence of an afterlife or of souls that leave bodies. This is all there is and will ever be, once we die that’s the end.
Sure everyone can believe whatever they want, that’s the beauty of freedom, but I value truth above all and am not content with facile illusions.
You know I exist because there is evidence…for example these posts. Where are the posts from your god? Where is your god and why has he never met us?
Lol as for your last point that’s correct…it is a figment of your imagination, I don’t have a problem with anyone and I like most people here. Ofc I am pro-choice, I believe a woman has a right to decide what happens to her body, not the state or religion esp. not over some nonsensical claims that a clump of cells has more right to her body than she does.
I’m not sure why Christians care about abortion…their god regularly genocided people like in the flood, including pregnant women-he obviously doesn’t value human life. Whatever happened to god will judge them?
I have a problem with religious people forcing their beliefs on others. If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. If you oppose homosexuality then don’t have gay sex. If you don’t want euthanasia, don’t take it, but when you meddle with others who want these things, that’s when you create conflict.
Just imagine if the Muslims took over the US and put “in Allah we trust” on the currency, or implemented Sharia law and forced Islam on us. That’s how non-Christians feel about Christians forcing their beliefs on them. If the religious people kept to themselves we wouldn’t have any issues.
CogitoErgoSum says
Fitna, I am too tired to respond to everything in your reply. I’m not going to force anything on you. As I said, you can believe what you want to believe. One thing I do NOT believe is that you don’t have a problem with my views on abortion and I’ll test you on that. How about this: if you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex. (If you are gay, I guess that’s irrelevant.) Oh yeah, and also if you don’t like “In God we trust” on your money, use a credit card. Hope that helps. Catch you later.
milo minderbinder says
CES,
I agree with you… People will believe what they want to believe, that which fits their World View. Truth, by its very nature is divisive.
The beauty of those who are “true” Bible believing Christians, those who have truly accepted Yeshua Ha’Mashiach in their heart, as their Lord and Savior… they “don’t” force what the Bible teaches on anyone, they simply and humbly present the Gospel, the Good News, Yeshua Ha’Mashiach has risen from the dead!”
No other religion can make that claim. Josh McDowell set out to debunk Christianity and ended up becoming a believer, a warrior for Yeshua Ha’Mashiach. He has produced a book, The Evidence That Demands a Verdict. He provides evidence from both the religious, and the secular world, that Yeshua Ha’Mashiach is who He says He is, The Son of God, the second Person of the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
As Yeshua Ha’Mashiach instructed his disciples:
“Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them.” Mark 6:11 (NASB)
There is a quote, attributed to Francis of Assisi, “Whatever you do, preach the Gospel, preach the Gospel and, if necessary, use words.”
“You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?” Matthew 7:16 (NASB)
The Barna Research Group, in survey after survey, shows that of the approximately 70% of the population of the USA that identify as Christians, only about 10% are true, Bible believing Christians.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Author: Arthur Schopenhauer
Fitna says
CES, I’m not sure why you’re personalizing the issue of abortion since this is a disagreement among different groups of people, and not between us specifically.
This means the 70% of us (Conservatives, Liberals, Atheists, etc) who believe a woman has a right to abort a fetus and the minority 30% view who thinks she should be forced to have a baby against her will, even if it kills her or was a result of rape or incest.
Speaking of which, do you think it’s moral to force anyone to do anything against their will? What happened to individual freedom/no state interference, why is it suspended for pregnant women? It is moral to force a 9 yr old child who was raped by her father or someone else to have a baby she cannot afford?
You also realize that 25% of pregnancies fail and if I recall correctly 10% of them can result in death without medical intervention. It’s not joke, it’s a life and death situation. Also by banning abortion, it doesn’t go away, people will seek out risky means to terminate the unwanted fetus.
This is the dangerous insanity that religion gives us and Christians smugly and arrogantly think it’s the right thing to do no matter how many girls/women die or have their lives destroyed, because it comes from an ancient mythology book written by goat-herders which they call ‘god.’
You stated “if you don’t want to get pregnant don’t have sex.” This where you’re being close-minded once again, people will never stop having sex because they find it pleasurable, so you’ll need to forget that idea. Also what about those who rape others?
Additionally there is a myth that a zygote is a baby, an egg is not a chicken, a clump of cells is not a baby. If you can’t understand basic biology then you won’t know the difference and I’d suggest taking a class. 99% of fetuses are terminated in the 1st trimester, so no babies are being killed, despite some of the deranged hysterics we hear from uninformed pro-life fanatics.
Religion has always been at odds with human progress. Religion used to arrest, jail and kill people for saying that we spin around the sun and not the other way. They called mentally ill people demon-possessed and still to this day religion is stopping us from becoming more civilized by opposing abortion, euthanasia, LGBT and so on.
As for “in god we trust” it seems you totally missed the point. The US is founded as a secular nation, not elevating one religion over another…because we’ve seen when the religious take power we get wars. So that’s why religious symbolism needs to be removed because it is an affront to those who are not Christian, that’s why I gave you the Islam example but it flew over your head.
If you want me to sum it us, religious people need to stay in their own lane. If there are things you disagree with, like rock music for example, don’t listen to it…but don’t tell me that I can’t or call it evil or work to ban it.
Just think of the situation today with Islam, it has many values similar to Christianity, but it is militant and violent and sooner or later the West will end it one way or another because people love their freedom and will not have bearded bullies telling them how to live their lives. Christians should learn from that example also.
Conservatives like to walk around with “don’t tread on me” flags but ironically and hypocritically they don’t apply that lesson to themselves, and have no trouble trampling on other people’s rights. Nobody is telling you to give up any of your rights, they’re telling you not to try to take away their rights, that’s the point.
gravenimage says
Whatever our personal beliefs, we are–or should be–allies against the threat of Islam. Islam threatens *all* non-Muslims–Christians, Agnostics an Atheists, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of every other faith or none. I stand with you all.
bill carr says
I am pleased they killed him, it saves the expense of trails and imprisonment, They should shoot more of them as It will show the Moose Limbs that murdering in Europe will get them killed
somehistory says
the poor woman. No sympathy for the murderer. He got his just desserts.
gravenimage says
Germany: Muslim migrant murders woman with axe
……………………………
Just horrifying–this *poor woman*. Glad the assailant was taken out, but too late for his victim.
And Muslims in Europe seem to be targeting Ukrainian women–often migrants themselves, and mostly without any men with them to protect them.
God, I hate Islam.