One example, among so many, of justice turned upside down: in the state of Hanover, in Germany, many dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators turned out to denounce Israel. In response, eight pro-Israel demonstrators then arrived. They did not speak, but confined their own demonstration to silently waving an Israeli flag. For their pains, one of their number was attacked and knocked down by a pro-Palestinian demonstrator. The police decided to arrest one of the pro-Israel demonstrators on the slimmest of pretexts. The story of this miscarriage of justice is here: “German Police Fine Jewish Activist For Staging Pro-Israel Counter-Demonstration at Palestinian Rally,” by Ben Cohen, Algemeiner, September 9, 2022:
A Jewish communal official in the German city of Hanover has accused the local authorities of “criminalizing” the fight against antisemitism after she was fined for organizing a counter-demonstration at a pro-Palestinian rally where her father-in-law was assaulted for carrying an Israeli flag.
“The fight against antisemitism is being criminalized,” Rebecca Seidler — the director of the Liberal Jewish Community in Hanover — told the Welt news outlet during an extensive interview this week. “We are being made into perpetrators.”
Seidler recalled that on Apr. 23, she and her father-in-law, Michael Höntsch, arrived at the pro-Palestinian rally in downtown Hanover to register their protest and observe the proceedings alongside six other colleagues. When the 67-year-old Höntsch — a former member of parliament in the state of Lower Saxony for the center-left SPD Party — silently waved an Israeli flag, he was violently pushed to the ground by a demonstrator. Police later arrested the 55-year-old assailant and have initiated a criminal prosecution.
There were apparently many dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators, and only eight people who came to silently bear witness against them. Two of the six were Rebecca Seidler and her father-in-law, Michael Hontsch. Hontsch, who is disabled – he uses a cane — said nothing, but silently waved an Israeli flag. He was then shoved violently to the ground by a pro-Palestinian demonstrator. That demonstrator was arrested. But the police did not shut down the rally, as they ought to have.
However, having arrested Hontsch’s assailant, the police apparently wanted to appear “even-handed” by charging Seidler as well. Her offense? She had failed to notify the police in advance about her own, tiny, eight-man pro-Israel demonstration. Did that merit a fine? Eight people had turned out to offer a silent protest while the dozens of pro-Palestinians shouted their clearly antisemitic slogans. It sounds as if the eight had not even planned to appear, but quickly assembled once they received news from Rebecca Seidler of the pro-Palestinian demonstration. Their silent witnessing was the extent of their own protest. The aggression was entirely one-sided.
Seidler said that after the attack on her father-in-law, who walks with the aid of a cane, she spoke with the local police commander, urging him to de-escalate the increasingly heated situation. Because the official claimed that Seidler had organized her counter-protest without giving advance notice, she “was then informed that there would be a lawsuit against me, which irritated me a lot,” she said.
“I would have liked the police to have protected my father-in-law from attack, instead of underestimating the situation,” Seidler added. “And I wanted the pro-Palestinian rally to have been shut down after the attack.”
The police did not protect Michael Höntsch. How diifficult was it for the police to keep would-be attackers away from the small pro-Israel contingent? How was it that a demonstrator managed to breach the police lines separating the two groups and violently shove the elderly Höntsch? And once that unprovoked attack had taken place, why did the German police allow the pro-Palestinian rally to continue? Were they afraid of eliciting a violent response if they ordered demonstrators to disperse following that unprovoked attack? The violence, remember, was only from one side, that of the pro-Palestinians. At no time did the eight pro-Israel demonstrators say or do anything, much less try to attack anyone. They only showed up to stand in silent reproach, save for the one elderly man who had quietly waved the Israeli flag.
Seidler said she was examining whether to lodge an appeal against the fine of 128.50 Euros (about $125). She noted that despite a notice being read out at the commencement of the pro-Palestinian rally warning against antisemitic slogans, “none of that was complied with.”
A video of the rally showed several inflammatory slogans being chanted at the rally, among them “child murderer Israel” and “Zionism is racism.”
The pro-Palestinian demonstrators had been warned by the police not to utter antisemitic slogans, but they promptly ignored the warning. No one was arrested by the police for violating the rules that the police had themselves clearly set out.
A spokesperson for the Hanover police department told Welt that the rally had been peaceful until the counter-demonstrators had turned up “waving an Israeli flag.” The spokesperson asserted that tensions between the two groups of demonstrators had followed as a result, and that they were consequently separated. He added that “administrative offense proceedings for violating the Lower Saxony Assembly Act” had been initiated against Seidler.
The anti-Israel rally had been “peaceful” until the counter-demonstrators showed up? Is this true? If by “peaceful” is meant that the pro-Palestinians had no one to attack, then yes, it was “peaceful” in that sense. But the shouting of such bellicose and antisemitic slogans as “child murderer Israel” and “Zionism is racism” were part of that demonstration. Should those shouting such slogans be described as “peaceful”? Why aren’t those pro-Palestinian demonstrators being blamed by the police, rather than the soon-to-be-fined Rebecca Seidler, when it was they who not only uttered antisemitic slogans, but were the ones who engaged in violence by shoving to the ground an elderly man who had only been waving the Israeli flag?
Other German Jewish leaders voiced support for Seidler. “It is a fatal sign for civil society engagement when it is criminalized,” said Elio Adler, the chair of the German-Jewish Values Initiative, an NGO. “The police should have shown more tact at that moment.”
The police ought to have shut down the demonstration against Israel just as soon as the violent attack on Höntsch took place. The demonstrators had already violated the rules clearly set down by the police, by shouting antisemitic slogans; if that was not enough of a reason to force their dispersal, surely the shoving to the ground of Michael Hönsch should have caused the police to act. Instead, they did nothing, allowed the pro-Palestinian demonstrators to continue to shout their antisemitic slogans, and instead of protecting the pro-Israel group, they made clear they were going to fine Seidler for not having given the police notice of the six-man pro-Israeli group’s appearance at the pro-Palestinian rally.
Will the police now do the right thing? Will they drop that absurd charge, and the fine that goes with it, against Seidler for not having let them know in advance that a handful of people intended to attend the rally, as silent witnesses standing in support of Israel? It’s possible that Seidler did not herself know who would be showing up after she sounded the alarm. If she is to be fined for that trivial breach, what do the police intend to do to the demonstrators who yelled antisemitic slogans? Anything? Nothing?
Medforth says
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gravenimage says
Just appalling, Medforth. And of course most of those “refugees” from Greek camps are Muslim invaders.
alexreid says
I recall a few months back at the Holocaust Memorial in Berlin earlier this year, on Hitler’s Birth date, scores of Muslims chanting, “Seig Heil!” & such like. Heavy Police presence. don’t think any arrests were made on that rabble.
Infidel says
At this point, we are witnessing the Fourth Reich, or maybe First Daulat, to use islamic terms. Heil islam!
John ..Smith says
+1
gravenimage says
Disgusting but no surprise, Alex.
somehistory says
the nations are gathering for Armageddon. In the U.K., a woman was arrested for carrying a sign saying get rid of the monarchy. and in Germany, one can say such evil as mozlums do, but cannot silently protest the evil. If they do, they face punishment. In India, mozlums pretty much get to say and do as they please without punishment.
and here in the U.S., freedom of speech…guaranteed by the Constitution…is under attack.
Revelation 16 is being fulfilled.
John ..Smith says
Obviously I hope your wrong but it does seem this way.
somehistory says
I cannot hope to be wrong, even though it says it is a “battle,” because when it is over, all evil of every kind and in every corner of earth will be gone. gone for good, never to return.
It has been foretold by Jesus Christ, so it will happen. and the sooner it happens, the better for the innocent of mankind, the ones who love what is right, because all those will be able to live without the constant threats against them. Live without any threats against them.
when the battle of Armageddon is over, then God’s Kingdom…for which we pray…will have come and His Will….for which we pray…will be done on earth as in Heaven. It will all turn out for the good of mankind.
milo minderbinder says
somehistory says
Sep 13, 2022 at 4:47 pm
I cannot hope to be wrong,
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Amen!
The Bible is the only book in the world that has accurately foretold the future, 100% of the time. Every foretelling of the future, known as Bible Prophecy, that has come to pass, was fulfilled exactly as the Bible said it would, 100% accurately.
So, that means that all the Prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled, will be fulfilled perfectly, 100% accurately. Exactly as the Bible has foretold.
The Bible says there is coming a “One World Government,” with a “One World Leader,” and a “One World Religion,” and, it seems to be just around the corner. One can almost hear the hoofbeats of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
somehistory says
thank you, milo.
the Bible is a book of prophecy and a book of fulfilled prophecy, a.k.a. history, all in one.
John ..Smith says
I agree with you it will happen, but when will it happen, that is the question. Many thought the nations were gathering together for Armageddon during the WW1, then again during WW 2, but they were wrong.
There is no doubt that every Biblical prophecy will eventually be fulfilled, and it also appears to me that Armageddon maybe just around the corner, but I can’t say this with certainty none of us can. That’s why I said,”I hope your wrong”. I like many others are just not ready for it yet.
milo minderbinder says
John ..Smith says
Sep 14, 2022 at 8:17 am
I agree with you it will happen, but when will it happen, that is the question. Many thought the nations were gathering together for Armageddon during the WW1, then again during WW 2, but they were wrong.
There is no doubt that every Biblical prophecy will eventually be fulfilled, and it also appears to me that Armageddon maybe just around the corner, but I can’t say this with certainty none of us can. That’s why I said,”I hope your wrong”. I like many others are just not ready for it yet.
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Prior to WW I and WW II, the Second coming of Yeshua Ha’Mashiach could not have happened. Why?
The Nation of Israel didn’t exist. Israel didn’t become a nation again, until May 14, 1948. Israel is the World’s timeclock. Everything happens in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s time, not ours.
What we see taking place all over the world is a spiritual battle. The Apostle Paul said:
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
As to not being ready, join the club, there are billions of people on Planet who are not ready. The Apostle Peter said:
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” 2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
And the Apostle Peter also said:
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 1:16-17 (KJV)
We should not be trying to set a date; however, we should know the season that we are in. It seems the signs are pointing to the soon return of Our Lord and Savior, Yeshua Ha’Mashiach.
There are two elevators, one going up, and one going down. We get to choose which elevator we are going to take.
John ..Smith says
Milo Minderbinder,
Thank you for your response to my post and the information you have provided, it is much appreciated.
John Smith
somehistory says
John,
Of course, we have not yet been told the “day and hour.” I’m not convinced, however, that we will never be told.
Noah was told, “Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”
the Jews in Babylon were told, “Go into your interior rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourself away.” they were protected when the Medes and Persians took over the city and killed the Babylonians.
Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, her desolation has drawn near, …flee to the mountains.”
Besides these things, Jesus **told** us for what to pray. He directed, “Pray then, this way. our Father in heaven, Hollowed be your Name (or sanctify your Name) Let your kingdom come ( or bring your Kingdom) and Let your Will be done (or do your Will) on earth as it is done in heaven.”
When we pray this, we are praying for Armageddon because through that battle…of the “great Day of God the Almighty”….God’s Name will be recognized as Holy by all people then alive…Just as Ezekiel wrote over and over, “The nations will know that I am Jehovah.”
By this means also, God will bring His Kingdom to the earth and do His Will here as He does it in heaven.
Jesus said, “He that endures to the end, will be saved.” We must “endure” in our faith until it’s all over. No one can say they are “ready” until Jesus tells us to “enter in to life.”
but, we can remain faithful because God helps us to do so. Strength comes from Him.
John ..Smith says
Thank you for this information Somehistory, I do take in what you have to say.
Incidentally I’ve been saying the lords prayer ever since I was a very little boy, more or less in parrot fashion, I honestly didn’t give it much thought. Even though I did sort of sought of realise it was referring to the coming kingdom. But now the prayer makes much more sense to me thank you.
somehistory says
thank you very much, John. Your words mean a lot to me. “Just as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another.” we can certainly learn from each other.
gravenimage says
Pro-Israel Protester Arrested In Germany
However, having arrested Hontsch’s assailant, the police apparently wanted to appear “even-handed” by charging Seidler as well. Her offense? She had failed to notify the police in advance about her own, tiny, eight-man pro-Israel demonstration.
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Utter insanity–justice turned upside down, indeed. Besides, unless this demonstration was widely publicly announced, the counter demonstration could not have been organized ahead of time.
But this is not the main point, of course. Are German authorities *really* saying that an 8-person counter-demonstration was causing a public problem? No, it is just false moral equivalence that protesting aggression and violence is the same as assault.
I hate appeasing the savagery of Islam almost as much as the savagery itself.
somehistory says
If there was less appeasing, and more punishing, there would be less savagery committed; even if they wanted to commit…which they would want.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Somehistory.
milo minderbinder says
gravenimage says,
Utter insanity–justice turned upside down, indeed
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+1
We are living in a world that been turned upside down.
BTW… I recommend Melanie Phillips book, The World Turned Upside Down: The Global Battle over God, Truth, and Power