Volodymyr Zelensky becomes unhinged when he talks about Israel. It’s unsettling. He is so angry that Israel still refuses to provide Ukraine with defensive weapons, especially with its anti-missile systems such as Iron Dome, that he talks about Israel as if it has done nothing for Ukraine. He calls Israel to account for practicing “neutrality.” But Israel has not been neutral. It has done a great deal for Ukraine. It has built and fully staffed a 100-bed field hospital. It has supplied more than 100 tons of humanitarian aid, including medicines, medical equipment, water purification systems; it has supplied Ukraine’s military with helmets, flak jackets, boots, and winter clothing. It has provided Ukraine’s military with intelligence on the weaknesses, and strengths, of the drones Iran has supplied to Russia. It has offered to supply Ukraine with an early-warning system for its civilians. Zelensky sounds as if none of that Israeli aid has registered on his brain. All that matters, in his view, is that Israel has not sent Kyiv those anti-missile systems it keeps asking for. A first Jihad Watch report is here, and more on Zelensky’s latest outburst against Israel can be found here: “Zelensky says Russia-Iran alliance wouldn’t have happened had Israel helped Ukraine,” Times of Israel, October 24, 2022:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky tells an Israeli conference that Russia wouldn’t have been collaborating militarily with Iran if Jerusalem hadn’t decided not to send military aid to Kyiv.
The Russia-Iran alliance would not have happened if Israeli leaders had agreed to help protect Ukraine’s skies, he tells a conference organized by the Haaretz daily, speaking on video.
Zelensky adds that the Moscow-Tehran alliance will likely see Russia help Iran develop its nuclear program in exchange for the drones supplied by the Islamic Republic.”
He asks whether Israel is “with the democratic world, which is fighting side by side against the existential threat to its existence? Or with those who turn a blind eye to Russian terror, even when the cost of continued terror is the complete destruction of global security?”
Everything Zelensky said in his address to an Israeli audience was both offensive and wrong. Of course Israel is “with the democratic world.” No one can doubt that Israel is on Ukraine’s side, and that it has done its level best to help Ukraine, short of sending the defensive weapons that Israel feels would trigger a Russian response in Syria. What Israel rightly fears is that if it were to give anti-missile defense systems to Ukraine, the Russians would end their policy of looking the other way as Israeli planes bomb hundreds of targets in Syria.
Just the other day, another warning to Israel came from the former President of Russia, Dmitri Medvedev, who warned Israel that were it to supply Ukraine with defensive weapons, that would “destroy the political relations between the two countries.” And he added that an Israeli decision to army Kyiv “would be a very reckless step.” These warnings from Russian officials make clear that if Israel were to send weapons to Ukraine, Moscow would no longer be willing to let Israeli planes continue to enjoy freedom of the skies over Syria.
But aside from the Russian decision not to try to bring down Israeli planes over Syria, in other ways Russia has been Iran’s close ally. Moscow decided in 2015 to help prop up the Syrian regime which, whatever its faults, was preferable, the Russians believed, to the Sunni jihad groups that formed a large part of the Syrian opposition. Shi’ite Iran, also alarmed at the Sunni opposition in Syria, and determined to help its fellow Shi’ite, the Alawite Bashar Assad, was glad to ally itself with Russia back in 2015. That “Moscow-Tehran alliance” was formed seven years before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Israel’s unwillingness to send anti-missile systems to Ukraine was not the cause of that alliance, which was already in place. Had Israel agreed to “help protect Ukraine’s skies,” Zelensky claims that the “Russian-Iran alliance would not have happened.” This is historically false – that Russian-Iranian alliance was already in place — and indeed, any defensive weapons Israel supplied to Ukraine would make the Iranians even more eager to supply Putin with thousands of drones that, should a sufficiently large number of them be launched in a short period of time, or ideally simultaneously, at Ukraine, they could overwhelm even Iron Dome’s ability to shoot them down. Some would get through to hit their target. The Iranians would welcome the chance to test out that strategy in Ukraine.
Zelensky tried a scare tactic in his address to an Israeli audience: He claimed that the Moscow-Tehran alliance will likely see Russia help Iran develop its nuclear program “in exchange for the drones supplied by the Islamic Republic.”
The notion that Russia would help Iran’s nuclear program, which would send the entire Western world into a frenzy, is preposterous. The Russians have had their own experience with Muslim — Chechen — terrorists. Muslim Chechens murdered 313 hostages, including 188 children, at a school in Beslan in 2004. Other Chechen terrorists murdered more than 140 audience members at the Dubrovka Theatre in Moscow in 2002. The Russians are not about to help any Muslim country to acquire nuclear weapons.
He [Zelensky] asks whether Israel is “with the democratic world, which is fighting side by side against the existential threat to its existence? Or with those who turn a blind eye to Russian terror, even when the cost of continued terror is the complete destruction of global security?”
Yes, Zelensky knows perfectly well that Israel is “with the democratic world,” and that it has not turned “a blind eye to Russian terror,” but repeatedly denounced it. He knows just how much aid Israel has provided the Ukraine. He knows that, reluctantly and more in sorrow, Israel’s leaders believe that they cannot, at this time, supply defensive weapons to Ukraine without harming Israeli security. They still need to keep a modicum of Russian goodwill, so that Israeli planes can continue their mission in Syria of interdicting, through airstrikes, Iranian attempts to transfer precision-guided missiles to Hezbollah. Zelensky’s palpable want of sympathy for Israel’s unique problem is startling. Would that he could comprehend that, while Ukraine has been fighting for its territorial integrity since February 24, 2022, Israel has been fighting for its very existence since May 15, 1948.
BTeboe says
If Israel can provide all this stuff to Ukraine, why are we providing aid to Israel?
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Israel should now come out officially in support of Russia, and stop supplying Ukraine squat. Or at least be officially neutral in this war, if they’re uneasy being on the same side as Iran and the Palis
Rarely says
Why?
࿗Infidel࿘ says
b’cos Zelansky
gravenimage says
I agree with Rarely here. The idea that Israel should ally themselves with Russia’s unprovoked invasion of an unthreatening neighbor because that nation’s president is too demanding makes no sense.
CogitoErgoSum says
Maybe Ukraine should have tried a policy of neutrality.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Yeah. To all those Westerners who think Russia is being paranoid, it’s worth reminding them how President Kennedy reacted to Soviet missiles in Cuba. The idea that NATO troops or missiles could be installed in Ukraine is more than a legitimate reason to make Moscow nervous, even if they had Navalny or someone like him as president, instead of Putin
John ..Smith says
So true Infidel, when the USSR collapsed western leaders assured Gorbachev that no country that was a previous member of the Soviet Union would ever be allowed to join NATO. They didn’t keep to their word, within a decade several previous Soviet countries were becoming part of NATO. Though I don’t agree with Putin’s war I can see were he’s coming from.
During the cold war NATO’s largest consignment of nuclear weapons were deployed (incidentally they are still there) in Turkey. The reason for this being is that it was the closest of the NATO countries to Russia, if an attack was ever necessary. So the last thing Russia would want is for the Ukraine to become a NATO member, whose border is only 30 miles from Moscow.
There are two sides to every story and the west have a lot to answer for in this case.
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࿗Infidel࿘ says
Very true. As President Trump’s former campaign spokeswoman Katryn Pierson once noted, the if the Dems are stuck in the 60s, the Republicans are stuck in the 80s. The Cold War ended, the Soviet Union disbanded, the communists lost power in Russia, and yet, there they were, continuing to expand NATO, an organization so bereft of a mission that they put combating climate change on their mission. That’s how worthless they are
NATO could have been useful had Russia been added in the 90s, along w/ all those other additions – Poland, Baltic republics, et al, and then NATO could have re-branded itself as the North Arctic Treaty Organization, and declared its adversaries China and Turkey. That would have kept it current. Instead, by continuing to pretend that Russia was the successor to the Soviet Union as the rival, they brought the world to where we are today – the brink of nuclear war. President Trump tried to fix this, but by keeping the witch hunt against him alive, they saw to it that Russia ended up in the arms of Beijing
James Lincoln says
࿗Infidel࿘ says,
“To all those Westerners who think Russia is being paranoid, it’s worth reminding them how President Kennedy reacted to Soviet missiles in Cuba.”
Interesting analogy.
Had the United States not deployed Jupiter nuclear armed, medium-range ballistic missiles (MRBM) to Turkey (1959) followed by the failed “Bay of Pigs” operation (1961), the Cuban missile crisis (1962) would have never happened.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Nonetheless, the Soviet Union was always a geopolitical threat to the free world. They had communist parties in a lot of countries whose first allegiance was to the CPSU, rather than to their own countries. So it made sense for the US to have missiles in Turkey and Norway, among other places
However, today’s Russia does not have ambitions beyond its ‘near abroad’, and lacks support outside that area. There isn’t a globalist cause tying other countries to them like during the Cold War. The country that is collecting all the anti-Western forces worldwide is China. Also, Turkey is no longer the Turkey of 1959: the Kemalist regime has long been replaced by the neo-Ottoman caliphate of Erdogan. So even if the US was justified in targeting the Soviet Union from the 60s to the 80s, that justification ended in the 90s
gravenimage says
Infidel–with all respect–Russia has not just invaded Ukraine, but also threatened Moldova, Poland, Lithuania, Finland, and Sweden. And when they started seriously losing in Ukraine, Putin also threatened to nuke London and the US.
milo minderbinder says
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Oct 27, 2022 at 6:06 pm
Nonetheless, the Soviet Union was always a geopolitical threat to the free world. They had communist parties in a lot of countries whose first allegiance was to the CPSU, rather than to their own countries. So it made sense for the US to have missiles in Turkey and Norway, among other places
However, today’s Russia does not have ambitions beyond its ‘near abroad’, and lacks support outside that area.
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According to the book of Ezekiel, Chapters 38-39 there is going to be an attack on Israel by the following nations:
1. Magog: According to first-century Jewish historian Josephus, the land of Magog was inhabited by the Scythians. The Scythians lived throughout Central Asia, indicating its identity is associated with nations today such as Kazakhstan, Kirghizia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan. Some also include Afghanistan in this group.
2. Rosh: Rosh is the remote part of the north (38:6, 15; 39:2). Because of this, most interpreters identify Magog as Russia, at least part of Russia, or perhaps Russia and some of the former Soviet nations connected with it.
3. Meshek (or Meshech) and Tubal: Noted together in this passage, this area is located in part of modern-day Turkey.
4. Persia: This is the land of modern Iran.
5. Cush (or Ethiopia): This land, often translated as Ethiopia, is not the same as modern Ethiopia. It represented the land south of Egypt. Today, this nation is Sudan.
6. Put: Also translated in some versions as Libya, this land is still known as Libya today.
7. Gomer: Part of modern Turkey.
8. Beth Togarmah: Part of modern Turkey.
Source: https://jashow.org/articles/who-are-the-nations-in-ezekiel-38-2/
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Yes, during the Cold War, it made sense for the United States to have missiles in a country such as Turkey – as a deterrent.
But that move, especially combined with the disastrous “Bay of Pigs”, precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And you are correct, after the end of the Cold War, missiles targeting the old “Soviet Union” were no longer justified.
John ..Smith says
Milo
John ..Smith says
Milo
It’s true what you say that most scholars on Biblical prophecy identify Magog as Russia, but this doesn’t mean they are correct.
Walid Shoebat makes a strong argument that Magog isn’t Russia at all but is infact Turkey.
gravenimage says
NATO never invaded Russia. It was Russia that invaded Ukraine.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
During the Cold War, NATO missile bases in W Germany, Turkey and Norway were aimed at the Soviet Union as well as Warsaw Pact countries
After 1991, who were they aimed at, since they weren’t removed?
gravenimage says
Infidel, I had begun to wonder if NATO still had a real purpose at this point up until last year, since the Soviet Union was gone. But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and threats against Moldova, Lithuania, Finland, Sweden, the US, and UK has shown that it is very much still needed. And it is notable that Russia has never invaded a NATO nation, and would not have invaded Ukraine if she had been a member.
milo minderbinder says
John ..Smith says
Oct 28, 2022 at 1:52 pm
Milo
It’s true what you say that most scholars on Biblical prophecy identify Magog as Russia, but this doesn’t mean they are correct.
Walid Shoebat makes a strong argument that Magog isn’t Russia at all but is infact Turkey.
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When it comes to Bible Prophecy, one needs to exercise caution. As the Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJV):
“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
It’s important to be able to agree to disagree, amicably, especially on secondary issues. There are Prophecies in the Bible that are challenging and we may not fully understand them until we are in that particular event.
Frankly, listening to too many “Prophecy Experts” causes “data overload” which leads to “paralysis of analysis.”
“The Globalist Plan Is Lining Up Exactly How The Bible Foretold.”
https://harbingersdaily.com/globalists-plan-is-lining-up-exactly-how-the-bible-foretold/
John ..Smith says
Thank you for the link Milo
gravenimage says
Ukraine *was* neutral by any sane yardstick. She presented no threat to Russia at all. Then, Lavrov in his BBC interview said that any Ukrainian who favors Ukrainian independence is a “Nazi” who must be liquidated. So Ukraine only could have remained neutral if she ceased to exist.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
No, after the ouster of Yanukovich in the Orange Revolution, there was a succession of Ukrainian governments that were drawing Ukraine closer to not just the EU, but NATO as well. It was in that context that Crimea was invaded, or else Russia would have lost Sevastopol – the headquarters of the Black Sea fleet – to NATO. Again, who was NATO positioning against?
Like I noted above, if either Ukraine or Belarus are part of NATO, NATO troops would be something like 300 miles from Moscow (not 30 as mentioned by John Smith above), if put in Ukraine. Again, we had a meltdown in 1962 when there were Soviet missiles in Cuba, which is some 1,100 miles from DC. Why do we expect Russia – even someone nothing like Putin – to be sanguine about NATO troops just 300 miles from their capital, when NATO’s mission has not been updated to note that Russia is not the enemy?
gravenimage says
NATO is a defensive organization. The constant claims that they are threatening Russia does not hold water. NATO has been around for almost three quarters of a century and has never threatened to invade Russia, let alone done so.
John ..Smith says
Gravenimage I have to agree with Infidel on this one.You say, “Ukraine was neutral by any sane yardstick. She presented no threat to Russia at all.” Well you try telling the Russians that.
Recently de-classified documents signed by many western leaders such as Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher and many others. Prove beyond doubt that NATO leaders went back on their assurances that any ex- soviet country would ever be part of NATO. In other words they lied and deceived Gorbachev and the Russian people.
The last thing Russia wants is another NATO country encroaching it’s borders.
Infidel I stand corrected, I accidentally missed a naught. Moscow is 300 miles from Ukraine’s border and not 30 miles like I said.
gravenimage says
Hi John–thanks for the reply. You wrote:
Gravenimage I have to agree with Infidel on this one.You say, “Ukraine was neutral by any sane yardstick. She presented no threat to Russia at all.” Well you try telling the Russians that.
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John, Putin thought he could take Ukraine in three days–not because he considered Ukraine a threat, but because he thought they’d just roll over for the Russian invasion.
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Recently de-classified documents signed by many western leaders such as Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher and many others. Prove beyond doubt that NATO leaders went back on their assurances that any ex- soviet country would ever be part of NATO. In other words they lied and deceived Gorbachev and the Russian people.
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Firstly, the West never promised Russia that no other nations could join NATO–this is a canard. Then, the implication that Bush, Mitterrand, and Thatcher invaded Russia is simply mistaken–this never happened.
Then, the Soviet Union and Russia has had NATO nations near or on their border for decades now–and NATO has never invaded them.
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The last thing Russia wants is another NATO country encroaching it’s borders.
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The idea that Russia has the right to designate what freedoms neighboring countries can and cannot have is deeply disturbing.
Ukraine belonging to NATO is not a threat to Russia–but, further, Ukraine is not a member of NATO in any case, nor was she likely to join any time soon. Moreover, Russia would not have invaded if she had been a NATO member.
And another excuse Russia has given for invading Ukraine is that she wanted to join the EU. Of course, she hasn’t joined the EU, either. And the EU has no military, in any case–so how can Russia have felt threatened by this? Of course, this was *not* threatening.
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Infidel I stand corrected, I accidentally missed a naught. Moscow is 300 miles from Ukraine’s border and not 30 miles like I said.
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Of course, Russia had Turkey on its border way back in 1952, and the Baltic states from 2004, and didn’t invade them. And Moscow is about the same distance from Riga (in a NATO nation) as it is from Kiev. Yet, Putin has not invaded Latvia.
John ..Smith says
Gravenimage you Know I am a massive fan of both you and Somehistory, but sometimes the both of you don’t get things right. Somehistory and many of her supporters believe the covid jab is a means of controlling us, or is an extermination program. Well I’m not buying into this, maybe you do but I don’t .
I also believe there are two sides to every story. Putin is an evil man who wants to re- create the new USSR, but there are two sides to every story, and we in the west have a lot to answer for.
We promised Gorbachev that no ex- soviet country would ever be part of NATO, well we went back on our word.
It’s okay saying Riga is also only 300 miles from Moscow, but don’t you remember that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were also part of the USSR but now they are part of NATO
somehistory says
John,
Since you included me here, and brought up the “jab”, I feel I must post here a link to something I heard yesterday. It has a lot of stuff about **patents** for what they wanted to do with bio and tech. One patent is held by the chinese military.
the video is about an hour and a half long, but it’s possible to skip some of the least unimportant parts so you can focus on those that show just what is intended with the jabs.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SbDJjYB4pzyw/
gravenimage says
John Smith wrote:
Gravenimage you Know I am a massive fan of both you and Somehistory, but sometimes the both of you don’t get things right. Somehistory and many of her supporters believe the covid jab is a means of controlling us, or is an extermination program. Well I’m not buying into this, maybe you do but I don’t .
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Thank you, John. But I’m not sure what Covid vaccinations have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But also, while I agree with Somehistory on many points and generally very much respect her, I do *not* agree with her on Covid vaccines, and have said so here many times. I think you have to be cautious with any new vaccine as a matter of course, but I’m generally pro-vaccine and believe–for good reason–that they have saved many lives. I have noted this here dozens of times since the beginning of the pandemic.
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I also believe there are two sides to every story. Putin is an evil man who wants to re- create the new USSR, but there are two sides to every story, and we in the west have a lot to answer for.
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John, in just the past few months Russia has said that 1) They don’t intend to invade Ukraine. They said this until just a few days before they invaded. 2) They have to invade because Ukrainians are Nazis. Note that Lavrov has said that any Ukrainian who favors independence is a “Nazi”. 3) They have to defend Donbas. 4) That Ukrainian biolabs have invented viruses that target Russians and not Ukrainians, even though many of them are genetically identical. 5) That Ukraine is joining NATO, and this is unacceptable to Russia. Never mind that Ukraine was not joining NATO, nor that NATO is purely defensive, in any case. And if the did join, this is not Russia’s business. 6) That Ukraine was joining the EU, and that this is unacceptable to Russia. Never mind that Ukraine would not have been joining the EU any time soon, nor that if they do it is not Russia’s business. 7) That Ukraine somehow presented a threat to Russia. 8) That Ukraine has always been part of Russia. 9) That Ukraine does not exist. 10) That Ukrainian President Zelensky is a drug addict. (This is my personal “favorite”). 11) That Putin is the new Peter the Great, and that the conquest of Ukraine is the first step towards realizing this. Lately he has also claimed that Ukraine is “satanic”. There are probably other excuses.
Which of these excuses do you consider the ‘other side’ that validates Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? Or did you have another one in mind?
If the claim is that Ukraine had joined NATO, this is not actually the case–she’d been turned down for having work to do.
But is notable that Russia had not invaded other nations that actually *did* join NATO, such as the Baltic States.
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We promised Gorbachev that no ex- soviet country would ever be part of NATO, well we went back on our word.
It’s okay saying Riga is also only 300 miles from Moscow, but don’t you remember that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania were also part of the USSR but now they are part of NATO
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I’ve heard that claim from Russia, but never seen it properly backed up. And as I noted, NATO has never invaded Russia, so seeing it as a supposed threat makes no sense.
And of course the Soviet Union had seized the Baltic States–their having lived under the oppressive Russia heel meant that they didn’t have any interest in that happening again.
somehistory says
to g re: the jabs
I don’t believe John was saying that the shots have something to do with this topic of zelensky and his unhinging.
and, I don’t expect anyone to agree with me on anything. sometimes, people do agree and that is fine. It’s also *fine* if one doesn’t agree. For the most part, people don’t even agree with God, and they mostly didn’t agree with Jesus.
certainly if everyone began to agree with me, I would know that I couldn’t be trusted by my own mind.
I would suggest, however, that the government’s stance on the jabs shouldn’t be trusted any more than it can be trusted on education of children, the war in this subject thread, the economy, inflation, why gasoline is so high priced, the election, islam, the border situation, etc.
I would suggest that everyone read everything published by moderna and pfizer from ten years ago up to the present regarding their patents and what those have as the means, the plan, the intent, the goals.
the link I posted last night, has a whole lot of information from the mouth of the horses involved. It has the evidence right there in their own words that they are mixing biology with AI and that they expect these mRNA experiments to have the capabilities of controlling the actions of cells, cell organelles, tissue, etc.
Listen to the discussion on the site, or just read the information presented in the screen shots.
You might find it eye-opening.
John ..Smith says
Gravenimage
Thank you for your reply, and there is no doubt about it you always present a good case. I value your views and agree with most of what you have to say, but don’t agree with you entirely. On this matter we have different opinions and probably this will always be the case. In my eyes NATO has never shown any respect at all towards Russian opinion, this the way I see it, this is the way Putin sees it, and this is the way most Russians see it.
So you and and I will never see eye to eye on this, but I wont disrespect you for the simple reason that we disagree. I rest my case.
All the best to you and your family
John Smith
John ..Smith says
Somehistory
Thank you for this link, I haven’t had chance to watch it yet as it’s quite long. I very much doubt that I’ll be coming over to your side on this issue, but I never dismiss anything outright without analyzing all the evidence that’s presented before me first. As I say it’s quite a long video but I will definitely view it sometime this week. Once again thank you.
gravenimage says
Dear Somehistory,
I have already said that I have a great deal of respect for you. That doesn’t mean that we necessarily agree on every issue.
And while I understand that some people are *very* skeptical about vaccines, I do *not* believe that disagreeing with aspects of this is tantamount to disagreeing with Jesus and God.
I am also open to more information; if I see something that convinces me that vaccines *are* dangerous, I’ll admit I was wrong and speak out against them. I just haven’t seen what I consider compelling evidence to this effect so far.
I will see if I can find the link you posted last night and read it. Thanks.
somehistory says
g, You misunderstand me once again. I was not saying that disagreeing on this pretend vaccine thing is the same thing as disagreeing with God and Jesus.
what I was saying is, that if most people don’t even agree with God, and most don’t agree with Jesus, I can in no way expect that people would agree with me on anything. I don’t have the power and authority of God and His Son, as they have “all power and authority.” I have none. so, if people disagree with those Who are all-knowing and all powerful, they will also disagree with each other.
I hope that is simpler to understand. I have never, and will never, equate what I believe with the Truth expounded by God and His Son, as I am imperfect with an imperfect understanding of the Truth.
And furthermore, this so-called *vaccine* is not truly a vaccine; so refusing an experiment that has already killed millions, is not the same as refusing all efforts to prevent disease. That is one of the things that the lying gov and the lying media and some lying medical people have done…equating the two…and that’s part of the wrong they have done.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SbDJjYB4pzyw/
gravenimage says
John Smith wrote:
Gravenimage
Thank you for your reply, and there is no doubt about it you always present a good case. I value your views and agree with most of what you have to say, but don’t agree with you entirely. On this matter we have different opinions and probably this will always be the case. In my eyes NATO has never shown any respect at all towards Russian opinion, this the way I see it, this is the way Putin sees it, and this is the way most Russians see it.
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John, thank you for your kind words.
I never said that it was not the opinion of Putin and those Russians who agree with him that they have the right to invade neighbors they consider weak and and conquer them; I am well aware of this. I just do not share this opinion. I don’t consider this to be showing Russia a lack of respect–I would oppose any nation invading unthreatening neighbors.
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So you and and I will never see eye to eye on this, but I wont disrespect you for the simple reason that we disagree. I rest my case.
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John, I am still not sure why you think that Russia is right to invade Ukraine. If you can cite the reason, I promise to give it all due consideration.
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All the best to you and your family
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Well, thank you, John, and the same to you.
John ..Smith says
Gravenimage,
Lets get one thing straight. fortunately I don’t think in the same way as Putin. So I do not think it was right for Russia to invade Ukraine. as I know it was wrong.
Putin is evil, so his thoughts are also evil, and this is just one of the reasons he invaded the Ukraine. We may never know what his true ambition was, in all probability it was to re-establish the USSR. But it could also be the fact that NATO was encroaching Russia’s borders, and this was simply to much for someone like him. Whatever the reason, in his mind he will always be able to justify his evil actions.
gravenimage says
Somehistory, thank you for that link. I will watch it as soon as I have time–hopefully later today.
gravenimage says
Thank you, John.
gravenimage says
Somehistory, thanks for that link–I finally did have a chance to listen to it. I have to admit that I am unclear on many of the medical and scientific claims being made by Karen Kingston here that the Covid vaccine is actually a bio weapon.
I do know that Reuters has said that some of her claims are mistaken:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-graphene-lipidvaccines/fact-check-no-evidence-graphene-oxide-is-present-in-available-covid-19-vaccines-via-lipid-nanoparticles-idUSL1N2PI2XH
Of course, I cannot easily independently verify this myself.
I do know, though, that claims that the Covid vaccine causes immediate death, that it sterilizes all human beings, that it allows the government to control humans, and that it has caused a “Zombie apocalypse” in NYC–this last was Naomi Wolf, who also lauds the Islamic head scarf and has lamented the West “demonizing” the Taliban–do seem to be unsupported.
gravenimage says
Zelensky Becomes Unhinged When He Talks About Israel
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Well, I’m *very* sorry to hear this. Over all I have been very impressed by President Zelensky, but Israel *has* supported Ukraine with humanitarian aid. There are many larger nations than Israel who have been either neutral regarding the invasion of Ukraine or else are still heavily trading with Russia.
milo minderbinder says
gravenimage says
Oct 27, 2022 at 7:31 pm
Zelensky Becomes Unhinged When He Talks About Israel
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Well, I’m *very* sorry to hear this. Over all I have been very impressed by President Zelensky, but Israel *has* supported Ukraine with humanitarian aid. There are many larger nations than Israel who have been either neutral regarding the invasion of Ukraine or else are still heavily trading with Russia.
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I’m not so sure about Zelensky. He’s a disciple of Klaus Schwab at the WEF (World Economic Forum) and therefore part of the “global elite.”
https://www.conservapedia.com/Volodymyr_Zelensky
As I have mentioned on previous posts, too many of the “global elite” are into the occult, they are on the dark side. They seem to think that it’s going to take three world wars to bring about their “One World Government,” we have had two World Wars, is number three just around the corner?
Doesn’t it seem odd, that our government is expending more effort toward agitating the Russians, as opposed to seeking a peaceful solution?
“that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
n order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.”
– 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NASB95)
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I somewhat agree w/ this. I was initially very admiring of Zelensky when he stayed on in Kyiv to lead his country’s resistance, and drawing measures preventing military age males in his country from leaving, and instead conscripting them for the resistance
However, his behavior since – allowing the war to transform him into a celebrity, appearing even on cooking shows to his tirades against all sorts of people and countries – from Israel to Elon Musk – have convinced me that he is not a saint. That doesn’t mean that I support Russia annexing all those Ukrainian provinces, but I do mean that I’m opposed to an open ended commitment from the West and blank checks to Ukraine from us when our own economies are floundering. All that makes me wary of him, irrespective of whether or not he’s backed by Klaus Schwab and his WEF merry men
gravenimage says
Milo, that link mostly excoriates President Zelensky for not rolling over for Russia aggression. I find that disturbing. And that claim defending against an unprovoked invasion is not peaceful, but that the invasion itself somehow is makes no sense,
In this case “agitating the Russians” means Ukraine not rolling over for Putin’s attempts to take over the nation. Then, Lavrov in this BBC interview acknowledged that any Ukrainian who favors independence for Ukraine is a “Nazi” and must be liquidated.
How is bowing to genocide “peaceful”?
Then, the implication that opposing invasion and threats of genocide is ‘satanic’ is very disturbing. Is opposing robbing, raping, and murdering civilians–all things Russia has done *as policy*–‘satanic’, also?
Then, Putin is using Jihad terror against Ukrainian civilians, as well–Chechen terrorists and Iranian suicide drones. Is opposing Jihad terror also ‘satanic’? Certainly, Jihadists would think so.
I don’t believe that this is what the Bible teaches, though. You can, of course, disagree.
wpm says
Israel is a small nation with many of its own problems without giving military aid to the Ukraine they have sent humanity aid. Does he want to get real military weapons sent by Israel and give excuses to the Moslem world to up its game of Jihad against western nations supporting the Ukraine ?There are billions pouring in from American and western Europe with no end in sight maybe its time to tell him to start peace talks or the western world will shut down the cash drain on our countries at a time of hyper inflation and recession. Do you went world war 3 to save Zelensky,s ass as he runs his mafia infested country ,maybe the majority of the Ukrainian people would rather live then be vaporized in a nuclear war to satisfy Zelensky,s and Putin ego. Joe Biden is too demented to care as long as they feed him ice cream and he watches old 1960s TV series on the me TV cable stations network to care.
gravenimage says
wpm, “peace talks” in this context would mean how much of their country Ukraine is willing to hand over to Russia.
Really, appeasing unprovoked aggression is *never* a good idea. Russia will just be back in a few years demanding yet more.
And President Zelensky is not threatening nuclear war–Putin is. That means that if nuclear armed nations threaten others that one must kowtow to them as a matter of course. Does that mean we should bow to Pakistan if they demanded to take over big chunks of India?
And there is no doubt that other authoritarian nations are watching–if Putin’s vicious invasion works out for him, this will embolden China threatening Taiwan, Pakistan threatening India, Turkey threatening Greece, and Iran threatening Israel.
You may not care about Ukraine and her people, but appeasement of Putin will have widespread effects. Just note the appeasement of Hitler–even if you cared nothing for Czechoslovakia.