This is rich. The term “Islamist” became popular in the first place among people who wanted to distance Islam from the crimes committed in its name and in accordance with its teachings. The campaign to get this terminology accepted was based entirely falsehoods, but it was wildly successful. To this day, there are so-called “terror experts” who hasten to assure their gullible and ignorant audiences that they’re talking about “Islamism,” not “Islam,” as if “Islam” were perfectly benign and free of all the political, authoritarian, supremacist and violent aspects of “Islamism.”
Some of these opportunistic, virtue-signaling, self-serving “experts” compare themselves favorably to the allegedly bigoted troglodytes who speak about “Islam” in connection with jihad terror, rather than “Islamism.” As The History of Jihad shows, however, there are 1400 years of jihad worldwide, and not until the twentieth century did anyone start talking about “Islamism.”
Note also that the Muslim cops “raised concerns about the disproportionate number of Muslims being referred to the counter terrorism programme.”
So they would have us believe that more Muslims are arrested for terrorist activity than people of other groups because of “racism” and “Islamophobia” among the British police, not because there is a disproportionate number of terrorists among Muslims. There are just as many Methodist terrorists as Muslim terrorists, and if you don’t believe that, you’re a racist.
“Muslim cops label counter terrorism policing ‘Islamophobic,'” by Jeanette Oldham, Birmingham Mail, November 14, 2022 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Counter-terrorism policing has been labelled Islamophobic by the National Association of Muslim Police. And it is now calling for the scrapping of the term ‘Islamist’ after claiming it unfairly stigmatises Islam.
Alex Gent, Chairman of NAMP, also says Islamophobia remains an issue in wider UK policing. The group cited cases where Muslim officers had been referred to Prevent wrongly by their own colleagues after religious pilgrimages or following conversions to the religion.
NAMP is now publicly calling for an update of policing and counter terrorism terminology, with Islamist replaced by ‘anti-western extremism’ or something similar. It has also raised concerns about the disproportionate number of Muslims being referred to the counter terrorism programme – with the West Midlands among the highest.
The group says it has previously raised concerns over the use of ‘Islamist’ and ‘Islamism’ with police chiefs and politicians, including recently with former Home Secretary Priti Patel. But it has now gone public after no agreement to drop the words.
One former Muslim officer with West Midlands Police told BirminghamLive: “The use of the world Islamist to describe radicalisation or terrorism is feeding into the wrong agenda and is very offensive and insensitive. This was raised in West Midlands Police years ago and it fell on deaf ears.
“The majority of the Muslim members in West Midlands Police and nationally (in police) completely disagree with the terminology (Islamist) because it tarnishes the entire Muslim community, by saying ‘you’re attached to terrorism, your ideaology is attached to terrorism’. It marginalises the Muslim community.
“Muslims officers and staff within the force internally try to get this message across about the terminology and try to work with the organisation to say ‘you need to take this into consideration’.
“West Midlands Police use the term ‘Islamist’ and it upsets the internal Muslim staff and the wider community. The use of the word in the context of a negative connotation with terrorism is the bit that’s upsetting.”
Mr Gent said senior police officers and politicians have persisted with the idea that terms like ‘Islamist’ and ‘Islamism’ are different from Islamic. But he said: “If it’s got the word Islam in it, all people think about when they hear the term Islamist extremism is Islam.
“I said to them, ‘You can contextualise it as much as you like, people attach that stigma to it.’…
Westman says
Maybe their pronouns could be “those” and “remain-nameless”. Everyone would know it was Muslims after a few jihads in the news, describing those who remain-nameless. These Muslim police are whistling in the dark. They belong to an organization that supports and grooms jihadists and they cannot escape from it without rejecting Islam.
Keith O says
Perhaps they should be referred to as “Voldamortists”?
Daniel Triplett says
” They belong to an organization that supports and grooms jihadists and they cannot escape from it without rejecting Islam. ”
This makes ALL Muslims criminal co-conspirators.
We already have conspiracy laws in place, which in effect, as near as I can tell (I’m not a law professor), criminalizes membership in the Ummah. We should use them to indict Islam as a whole and prosecute any and all Muslims who don’t formally apostatize from Islam. Give them a short amnesty period of say 30 days, after which they’ll face prison terms and indefinite incarceration until they apostatize.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
This is something where I agree w/ this muslim group. Get rid of those invented terms like ‘islamism’, ‘islamist’, which have no equivalents in Arabic, Turkish, Urdu or any other language of any muslim peoples that are different from ‘islam’ or ‘islamic’. Stop using the term ‘islamist’ to describe any muslim criminal, and use the term ‘jihadist’ or ‘muslim’, and ‘islamic’ if it is an adjective
Fitna says
Agreed, end the political correctness, call them what they are Muslims or as you said Jihadists, which is the military wing of Islam.
But the goal of the violent and non-violent Muslims are the same, which is to convert, conquer or kill us and take our land, wealth, women. Also start arresting people defending their Jihadists, because they are also part of the problem.
James Lincoln says
Fitna says,
“Agreed, end the political correctness, call them what they are Muslims or as you said Jihadists, which is the military wing of Islam.”
True, if you consider the military wing of Islam to be the relatively small percent of muslims who conduct “kinetic” jihad.
The rest of the muslims support (philosophically / financially) “kinetic” jihad while engaging in “soft” jihad.
Daniel Triplett says
Agreed James.
Jihad has many forms: Sword, Word, Pen, Law, Finance, Womb (Birthrate), Emigration (Hijrah), and more…
ALL Muslims wage jihad.
Muslims either swing the sword, or support those swinging the sword. They all pay zakat to the Ummah, and they all support the violence to spread Islam.
ConnSCG says
The faith is Islam, the follower of that faith is an Islamist following the Islamic ways, nothing wrong or invented in that …
࿗Infidel࿘ says
No, the term ‘islamist’ was invented to imply a practitioner of ‘islamism’, which in turn was invented to imply the ‘perversion of islam by the jihadists’. Not a legitimate term
PMK says
Jihad is a feature of Islam. All Muslims are jihadists, like it or not. Those that don’t commit acts of violence still support those who do.
Keith O says
If the mudslime cops don’t like Islam being associated with terrorism then they should do what they are paid for and conduct a law enforcement operation to clean out the “radicals” from among them. Or does that make too much sense?
Fitna says
That’s the game we non-Muslims still haven’t figured out…there are no real radicals in Islam, the so-called moderates prove it when they want us to shut up about their evil death cult. They are all playing on the same team.
If Muslims genuinely opposed extremism, they’d be reporting on their colleagues and neighbors when they catch them planning terrorist attacks.
ConnSCG says
I agree with you, there is only one Islam.
If a so called radical Islamist knocks on the door of a so called moderate Islamist, do people seriously believe the moderate Islamist will refuse the radical Islamist and rather chose the side of his/her Western and Christian ‘friends…
Islamic radicals are Islam’s military wing…
starman says
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing – even the worst of depravity
Walter Sieruk says
Maybe that term “Islamist” be removed from counterterror policing, but not for the reason those stealth jihadist object to that word.
The reason is the term “Islamist” should be dropped it’s such a fake word, a made up post -9//11 “word”
A much more accurate term that should be used because it’s sticking with reality would be to two word term “Muslim terrorist.”
For it’s a very good idea to be clear in the choice of words and use it’s best to have plain speech. For example an extremely cruel man, Muslim or non-Muslim, isn’t “sick ” but evil. Likewise a violent , dangerous jihadist , shouldn’t really be called an “Islamic” but called a “Muslim terrorist.”
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Either islamic terrorist or muslim terrorist or jihadist would be fine. Problem w/ terms like ‘islamism’ or ‘islamist’ is that it pretends that there is a true islam that is benign, while the stuff that we see and experience every day from jihadists and dawagandists is a fake islam that has been branded ‘islamism’. Even that ain’t good enough for muslim sensibilities, as this story shows. It’s high time those 2 terms were dropped from the English language, as they do not have equivalents in any language popular w/ muslims – Arabic, Urdu, Turkish, Pashto,…
Ade Fegan says
UK; Muslim police group want free pass for jihad
Scotsman48 says
Just change islamist or islamophobia to islamofacist or scaryislam.
These muslim Cops in the UK should be doing more to arrest their fellow muslims that are raping the wee English girls or start hunting down the jihadi nutters within their own islamofascist Communities.
Rain Keeps Falling On Ahmed says
Mohammedans
VictorMc says
WHAT !!! I didn’t know Britain had any relevant police. That is a thing of the past. What are you talking about?
࿗Infidel࿘ says
You mean you haven’t seen the Macarena dances by people in uniform in the Ummah Kaliphate? Those are their “police”. Of course, responding to emergencies takes 48 hours these days: I doubt that even Congo (Zaire) is that bad
Alkflaeda says
The ultimate aim is that they will come up with some term like “radicalist” and then apply it to all the evangelical street preachers to whom they keep having to pay compensation for wrongful arrest. Oh, and by the way, it’s also racist to keep arresting mini cab drivers of a certain persuasion for participation in grooming gangs. Those girls just weren’t sensible of the honour done to them in permitting them to play the role of Aisha to the latest Mohammed look-and-behave-alike.
mick says
Thanks for keeping an eye on this Robert. Whatever the suffix, ism, isation, ist, I just see a rallying flag for land grabbers.
James Lincoln says
Islamist vs anti-western extremism:
As in medicine, you can change the “name” of the disease – but that does not change the disease…
Daniel Triplett says
Per Islamic doctrine/law, this war will never end until the world is either 100% Islamic, or 0% Islamic.
We’re either going to win this zero-sum global war, or we’ll continue losing, self-righteously virtue-signaling our tolerance of Islam until we succumb to it, as has happened to hundreds of millions of Kafirs before us across the last 1400 years.
If we intend to win, that means zero-tolerance of Islam and those pledging to it. Our law enforcement apparatus, military, intelligence, and government are particularly unwise areas to tolerate Muslims.
Sylvi Clark says
Islam is not a religion in the true sense of the word. It is a “tyrannical, violence-ridden, misogynistic socio-political ideology, masquerading as a religion. It is also totally incompatible with all civilised westernised countries, and specifically in relation to the values we hold dear, such as our right to freedom of speech, democracy, and human rights. Moslems who choose to religiously follow Islamic scripture and the Hadiths ( spoken word) have just one agenda, the subjugation of the host population to their barbarian, 7th century, and primitive way of living, which is wholly intolerant of all other faiths, cultures and systems of Law. Sharia Law is the only system of Law many Moslems are willing to adhere to.
“Ever since its foundation 1400 years ago, Islam has been at war with the rest of the World. Territorially, it held sway over the whole of south-Eastern Europe as far North as the borders of Austria until the 17th century, before finally being expelled from the Granada region in 1492 by the Spanish. Islam also held sway over the whole of Spain, as well as its Arabian homelands in North Africa and the Middle East. It is ruthlessly imperialistic in ambition and WILL subjugate the West given the chance to do so. If the West is to survive, we have to adopt a similar war mentality. To do nothing is simply no longer an option .
The epicentre of Islam, the Ottoman Empire, fell into backwardness, corruption and bankruptcy in the 19th century ,and was defeated in WW1 1914-18. However, this was not before it had cynically exterminated 1.5 million Armenian Christians in 1915 .
Oil riches since the mid-20th century have financed the recovery of Islam, as has also population growth, which is used by Moslems as a weapon against the Infidel.
Every other culture Islam meets, it tries to disrupt, not just in the West , but also in India, China and elsewhere in Asia.”
In addition the modern day Ottomans very recently assisted the Moslems in Azerbaijan to defeat Christian Armenia.
We as a Christian nation stood by and did nothing to even try and prevent this from happening to our fellow Christians.