He must be completely misunderstanding passages such as these, right? Pope Francis would tell us so!
“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193)
“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33)
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123)
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4)
“Big terror trial in Vienna: ‘The Koran says that killing is allowed,'” translated from “Großer Terrorprozess in Wien: ‘Im Koran steht, dass Töten erlaubt ist,'” by Michaela Reibenwein, Kurier, December 1, 2022:
So far, the accused, aged between 22 and 32, have not had a chance to speak. “You haven’t said much yet. That will change today,” the presiding judge also stated on Thursday morning.
Nevertheless: These are the first steps in a process that will probably last until next February. As always in the main courtroom, the listeners are confronted with the problem of poor acoustics. The lawyers also point out right from the start that the accused can hardly be understood.
First, Adam M. (32) is questioned. He is said to have given the guns to the assassin. “I didn’t know Kujtim F. But I’ve seen him,” he says. He was supposed to introduce “someone” to a Slovenian arms dealer. He didn’t give any thought to the reason for buying a rapid-fire rifle. “You must have been thinking of something,” the judge asks.
“The assassin came to me. He told me what he needed – a Kalashnikov – and I passed him on to the Slovenian.” What was his impression of Kujtim F.? “A lot of Muslims look like that. Long hair. Normally dressed.”
What he doesn’t say: Kujtim F. worked in the same security company as he did. “But there are 2,000 people there. I never saw him there.” Other defendants were also employed by the company. He doesn’t know these either.
The first handover of weapons to Kujtim F. took place on June 23, 2020. The Slovenian arms dealer came to Vienna. “But he didn’t want to be seen.” So Adam M. handed over the bag with the gun and handed over an envelope with money (probably 3,000 euros). “I didn’t want any of that money. But I got 500 euros.”
Another time a pistol and ammunition was brought to Vienna and handed over. Adam M. took over the handover again. This time he did not get any money, says the defendant.
Once again he claims that he didn’t think about the reason for the gun purchase. “You give a complete stranger a Kalashnikov, then ammunition and a pistol. You didn’t care what he did with it,” says the judge. “No, I didn’t,” says Adam M. But why didn’t he ask? “I can’t answer that. But that was the biggest mistake I’ve ever made. Unfortunately, I can’t undo it.”
Many Austrians also have weapons, says the accused. “I don’t think there are that many,” countered the prosecutor. “Most importantly, they don’t have a Kalashnikov.”
The second to be questioned is 22-year-old Ishaq F. He knew the later assassin from childhood days. “We played soccer together.”
Ishaq F. has already been sentenced twice. He had shared IS propaganda and recruited for the terrorist organization. Today in court he calls IS a “gang of murderers.” When he was in prison in Vienna-Josefstadt, Kujtim F. wrote to him on an illegal mobile phone. “He wanted to know if I knew anyone who sold a Kalashnikov,” says the 22-year-old.
He established contact with Adam M. Ishaq F. explains that he did give some thought to what Kujtim F. would need the gun for. “He told me he wanted to resell them. As long as he didn’t have any ammunition, he couldn’t do any damage with them, I figured.”
“Create News”
But old statements contradict that. Kujtim F. is said to have written to him: “I will provide news. When I get out, I will make an attack.” Specifically: at Stephansplatz.Ishaq F. walks back his statement. He learned that from a third party, not from the later assassin. And: “In prison everyone talks so much nonsense.” He was aware of the radical attitude of his childhood friend. “But Kujtim condemned the attacks in Europe.”
When he was arrested, the shocked mother asked him, “Son, what have you done?” That’s in the extensive act. And so is the answer: “Mom, I didn’t do anything. I said back then that Kujtim wanted to make an attack. But nobody heard it.”
In court, the accused wants to show that he has been reformed. He has nothing to do with IS. In prison, he also had dealings with people who ate pork, he explains. However, a lot of radical Nasheeds were found on the 22-year-old’s cell phone. The lyrics read, among other things: “Fight with the knife!” They were downloaded after the attack. “I don’t know if something is radical until I listen to it. I can’t know,” says the young man.
“Killing Allowed”
In a chat, the man also wrote: “I’m not ashamed that my religion is allowed to kill.” “It’s in the Koran,” says the accused. “I’m a Muslim! Not a Christian or a Jew!”The hearing will continue on Tuesday.
tim gallagher says
That’s islam for you, the most evil, murderously violent religion that is still poisoning the human race. That’s why this vile, evil religion and its followers should be shut out of all civilised, non-Muslim countries. This maggot is right – the murderous attitude is all there in the Koran, but such a religion, containing such evil, does not belong in any non-Muslim country. That idiot Pope, who thinks that islam is peaceful, needs to listen to this evil Muslim maggot and he might learn the truth about islam’s nature.
Alkflaeda says
It’s a pity Pope Francis does not behave more like his namesake, who, when he went to meet the Sultan in Egypt, did so in order to convert him to Christianity, not to initiate Chrislam. We can only be true peacemakers if we know what we stand for, and are prepared to stick by the truth – otherwise, the correct term is not peacemaker but collaborator.
tim gallagher says
I agree, Alkflaeda. People, including this very wishy washy Pope, do need to know what they stand for and have the courage to tell the truth. On islam, the Pope and far too many other people, seem to be either completely ignorant or they lack the courage to tell the truth despite knowing the truth.
Alkflaeda says
Or is the truth too scary for them to formulate – their minds just crunch gears and won’t go forward…
tim gallagher says
More than likely true, Alkflaeda. Whatever the cause, this is a huge problem. The Pope should be calling out islam as the evil, murderously violent ideology that it is. Almost every day here at Jihad Watch there are those reports of Christians being slaughtered in African countries and yet this Pope never seems to criticise islam.
Alkflaeda says
Yes, it’s weird, because it doesn’t necessarily go with the territory of being Pope – after all, Pope Urban II preached the First Crusade, and said nothing about protecting “moderate” Muslims (actually I don’t think the concept existed then – Islamic politics were more about naked aggression, rather than taqiyya). Does he hope that if he can get the alleged moderates on side, they will deal with the others? To my mind, that’s a forlorn hope, because Islam is actually comprised of the observant (i.e. al Qaeda and the like) and the not-so-observant, who are the supposed moderates. And, although the not-so-observant may not be the stuff of which martyrs are made – yet – even if they are not radicalised in future, they will always have a vague sense of guilty unease and this will mean that they will never denounce their more observant brethren to the authorities.
tim gallagher says
Well, Alkflaeda, I do prefer the straight talking and truth telling that Pope Urban II and some other Popes displayed rather than this wishy washy present Pope. I have thought that this present Pope has been thinking along the lines that, if he is really nice and kind towards Muslims, then they will become nice and no longer be the murderous scum they so often are. But it is such a stupid policy. i believe the Muslim leaders would be laughing at the Pope’s pathetic appeasing when it comes to islam.
Alkflaeda says
It has only just occurred to me that the notion that Islam is moderate and has only a few bad apples is actually an insult to both Christianity and Judaism – because you then have a situation where both faiths would have seen large numbers of their adherents convert to an ideology which is a sex-obsessed allegedly Abrahamic country cousin with a truncated and distorted revelation, and a capricious and amoral deity, supposedly because they wanted to!
Walter Sieruk says
What Muslims aid is true Killing for Islam is ,indeed, instructed in the Qur ‘an, 2:191. 4;89. 5:33. 47’;4
Walter Sieruk says
Ho my ,not again, I made another keyboarding error .It should have read “What that Muslim said was true….
By the way ,there is also 9:5. 111,112,123. that likewise instructs in killing for the cause of Islam
gravenimage says
Austria: At his trial, Muslim says ‘I’m not ashamed that my religion is allowed to kill. It’s in the Qur’an.’
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Adam M. is *not* wrong–but I doubt that anyone in the courtroom (or many outside it) will take this seriously.
Note how he sneers at Jews and Christians for *not* having this savagery in their scriptures.
Alkflaeda says
Probably because it is a key tenet of Islam that both the Jewish and Christian scriptures are corrupt wherever they don’t agree with the Koran. The problem with this, at least in the case of the New Testament (it may also be true of the Tanach, I just don’t have the knowledge base to assess whether it is or not) is that, within a very short time there were third party references to the content of, for example, the Gospels or Paul’s epistles. Which means that, if the texts did become corrupt, it had to have happened very soon after they were written, and probably within the lifetime of the writers.
NoLibsWelcomeHere says
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~ Terrorists at CAIR
starman says
See how this Jehaadi twit spat out the truth of his evil cult masquerading as a religion… In India, one such twit cut the breasts, hands, and legs of a married Hindu woman called Neelam Yadav because this jehaadi twit wanted her to leave her Hindu husband and go with him. Almost every other day, some jehaadi twit is killiing a Hindu woman at random all over India. This has now become the sickening norm here.
Scotsman48 says
Well at least one wee muslim fellow in Europe openly admits that his religious book tells him to kill those not of his faith, now if only the bleeding heart uber Left leaning morons could listen to what he said and notice that he means what he says and says what he means. islam a Fascist Religious Cult that will openly declare death upon a person who wishes to change their mind about the teachings in that hate filled book they all read.
Doesnt sound too much like Love, Understanding or Tolerance of others but does sound a lot like Nazism.
islam is the new nazism.