This is the last gasp of a dying church (and a dying civilization). A culture that has no identity of its own and welcomes those who wish to conquer and subjugate it is a culture that will soon be a matter of history. These two archbishops are signposts on the way to the demise of the Church of Sweden, and of Sweden itself as a non-Muslim country.
“The Archbishop: Muslims can join the Church of Sweden,” translated from “Ärkebiskopen: Muslimer kan vara med i Svenska kyrkan,” Samnytt, January 26, 2023 (thanks to L.):
Outgoing Archbishop Antje Jackelén received harsh criticism for her religious relativist stance, not least in relation to the controversial religious ideology of Islam. She adopted the Swedish variant of “Allahu akbar” as her language of choice and said she could not put the peaceful healer Jesus before the warrior and mass murderer Muhammad as a prophet. Now Jackelen’s successor goes a step further and welcomes all Muslims to the Church of Sweden.
Martin Modéus has been appointed as the new archbishop in the Church of Sweden. For more conservative and traditional Christians, it is out of the frying pan and into the fire after eight years with the controversial Antje Jackelén. In a debate article in the left-liberal Dagens Nyheter, Modeus presents himself as the heir and further developer of the religious relativism for which his predecessors became famous and criticized.
The fact that Modéus is speaking out in this way is caused, among other things, by the fact that the Center Party’s supposed new party leader, Muharrem Demirok, who has already been in several storms before taking office, has also declared that he is a Muslim but also a member of the Church of Sweden. Many have reacted against this, but Modéus takes the opposite stance – being a Muslim and not a Christian does not constitute an obstacle to being part of the Church of Sweden, he believes.
That the Christian way of “relating to faith” would be a requirement in the Church of Sweden, Modéus emphatically opposes – all ways, even the Muslim, are equally legitimate and needed in the country’s churches.
A requirement to be a Christian in order to be part of a Christian congregation is regarded by the new archbishop as a recent “ideologization of the concept of religion.” However, the claim is contradicted by many who believe that what is new and ideological instead is the idea that it is just as well to believe in Allah and Muhammad in a Christian congregation as in Jehovah and Jesus.
In the Church of Sweden, under the leadership of Archbishop Martin Modéus, “you define what you believe in based on your own terms.” According to Modéus, the fact that the Church of Sweden receives a diversity of non-Christian beliefs “is an asset.”
Modéus wants the country’s churches to function more as clubs for general social community than places where a common Christian belief is shared. In this, he claims to have been inspired by one of the ideologues of Dagens Nyheter’s editorial page, Björn Wiman.
The Church of Sweden has lost many members. This is due, among other things, to the fact that more and more Swedes have adopted a secular outlook on life, but in many cases also to the fact that you do not recognize yourself in the “left-wing church” it has turned into, which nowadays functions more as one of the Social Democrats’ many corporative legs in Swedish society.
However, many Swedes remain members, by birth and unfettered habit, that they have not come to terms with leaving or are simply not aware that they are members of something they never actively chose to join. Even outspoken critics retain often their membership in order not to lose the right to vote in church elections and thus the opportunity to influence the future direction of the Church of Sweden.
However, the Church of Sweden needs new members to replace those who fall away, and the large group of immigrant Muslims is therefore attractive. According to Modéus, it is by opening the church doors to them that you can still claim to be a “people’s church.” That the church should be something only for believers or cultural Christians is “far too narrow,” the archbishop asserts in the DN article.
Shawn says
What I find very sad and appalling is white people are their own worst enemies and apparently.have no problem genociding their own race with all the woke krap being spewed
Peacelover says
yup,that is,I agree,in Ever country that this is happening
bill carr says
The higher up in the church, any church, one goes there is more mental illness. That includes the Islimic lot too, one hting they all have in common is belief in delusions
Hide says
Islam HAS NEVER, EVER integrated peacefully into ANY culture. There is ALWAYS violence perpetrated by the Mohammedans… They need to excised from this nation
Peacelover says
I agree Hide and from the world would be even better. It’ll happen,someday.
Jerome B Bigge says
Truth!
somehistory says
“far too narrow” reminds me of something Jesus said, and I’m not surprised that this fool is unaware.
Jesus said, “Broad and spacious is the way leading to destruction, while narrow is the gate and cramped is the road leading to life.” ;Jesus also said of the “narrow and cramped way” that “few are finding it.” While He also said of the spacious road leading to destruction, “many” are going that way.
Money. These idiots and liars who are saying mozlums are welcome and that their fake prophet is just as great as Jesus Christ, are in it for the money. If they didn’t have a cushy life, telling others where they are wrong, and not actually doing any*work,* but still getting paid, there would be no point.
No point, because doing and saying as they are puts them on that “broad and spacious road leading to destruction.”
these ones have invited satan in and are dining with the demons at their table.
Hoi Polloi says
You are right about money.They are not Christian and fit the definition of the bad shepherd condemned repeatedly in The Bible.
Matthew 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.” is my easy answer to these bad shepherds who continue to insist that Christianity get on its knees to islam, insisting that it’s the size of the body that matters. They’re lying and doing so while claiming to represent Jesus, who taught exclusion in the above passage and many others.
2 Corinthians 6:14 “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” Exclusion again. Seems clear to me.
somehistory says
Hoi polloi,
You have made a very salient point.. and proven by the Scriptures you posted.
they aren’t Christian and evidently, don’t wish to be.
Hoi Polloi says
It’s almost as if they’ve been waiting to turn their church over.
somehistory says
Yes, it does, at that.
somehistory says
“seem to be”…my mind is tired and leaving out important words.
Linde B. says
To somehistory- Your comments are excellent, as always. May I add another turning point? Inclusion. Seems these church
hierarch robots want everyone to be members of the Church of Sweden so no one is left out. What bull crap. Since when has any church become a club?
somehistory says
Thank you, Linde B.
Their “church” is being emptied of True Christians, and these guys need members to pay them with their donations.
when everyone is “included,” it necessarily makes for the pushing out of some.
these “leaders” are totally blind and are attempting to lead others along the same road to destruction.
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Linde and Somehistory.
somehistory says
Thanks, g.
Kepha says
The Church of Sweden is run by people who are not even Christians.
somehistory says
Absolutely!
Hoi Polloi says
Yes to both of you.
Wellington says
The descent of the West continues because what’s left of the West is now largely run by fools, cowards or worse. A monumental tragedy still unfolding.
And this descent has “infected’ most every area of Western life, including religion, traditional marriage (hey, per Leftthink and other muddled thinking, love is all that counts—no, there’s more to traditional marriage than this), the entire educational system, many Western political parties (e.g., the now decrepit Democratic Party of the USA), Big Tech, professional sports franchises, hell, even the American military under the direction of the utterly putrid excuse for a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley.
And so as well with this silly archbishop in Sweden, who in microcosm represents just how foolish and suicidal the present West has become, all the while the Western Left, as well as the Islamic world, and as well a new axis of evil still being formed by traditional authoritarians like those running Russia, China, North Korea and Iran (thanks Dementia Joe and your handlers for aiding this new alliance of malevolence), salivate at destroying the best hope of mankind, i.e., what’s left of Western Civilization, easily the civilization, a la Lincoln, that is mankind’s last best hope. Well, this hope is fading fast.
gravenimage says
+1
tim gallagher says
This is insanity. islam and Christianity seem to me to be complete opposites and these types of “Christian” relgious leaders must be brain dead if they see some similarity in islam and Christianity. Jesus was the opposite type of person to that foul criminal, pedophile and mass murderer, Muhammad, who I don’t think ever existed but, as he was portrayed, was a vicious low life scumbag. allah is a ferocious and evil version of god and is the opposite of the Christian version of what God is like. These idiotic Christian religious leaders are a bloody embarrassment. They should call islam the evil that it is and not spend their time sucking up to the Muslims.
brat says
Indeed, the myth of Muhammad was invented by the arabs as a religious-looking fig leaf to excuse their own awful deeds: having multiple wives, taking child brides, taking sex slaves, beating their own wives, breaking treaties, lying, murdering, and so on
gravenimage says
Spot on, Tim.
Hudders says
In JOHN17:17, The Lord Jesus himself said, “THY WORD IS TRUTH.”
Not this twisted doctrine of deviance and sickening appeasement.
Truth and salvation are not to be found in the doctrines of death and hate that is Islam.
Nor could they ever be possibly found in Sweden’s liberal mockery of the Church’s teachings.
For Truth & Salvation are found,
By Grace alone.
Through Faith alone.
On The Word alone.
In Christ alone.
All Glory to God alone.
Make no mistake.
GAL6:7, “BE NOT DECIEVED, GOD IS NOT MOCKED.”
I hope and pray members of the so called Church Of Sweden, flee as fast as possible for the sake of their souls.
And the ever increasingly compromised Churches of Europe & the UK take note.
This is you in a short number of years.
Be warned.
CogitoErgoSum says
Muhammad was right; Muslims are the slaves of Allah – Allah being one and the same as Satan. Satan is the master of this world and rules over those who know not the Father nor the Son sent by Him and who came to free the slaves of this world from their bondage to Satan. The way to the Father is through the Son and those who deny the Son will never gain eternal life. Muslims can not accept the Son and at the same time deny that the Son exists; they must be re-born through baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. In doing so they must renounce Satan (Allah). No one can be free and a slave at the same time. This Archbishop of the Church of Sweden is one confused mess of a man who speaks nonsense.
somehistory says
CES,
100% exactly right.
CogitoErgoSum says
This Archbishop advocates for a Church (if it can be called that) with its members divided between Christ and Muhammad. It could not and will not stand, just as the Gospels tell us. This is something which every Christian should know – especially one who holds the position of Archbishop. The man disgraces himself before his Lord. It’s very sad.
somehistory says
Jesus said that the ‘one receiving more’ is expected to do more with what he receives. If not, he is judged accordingly.
this guy in Sweden, misleading the people he’s pretending to serve, is like the slave who hid his talent instead of doing his master’s business. He will be judged accordingly, just as Jesus said about the slave.
bill carr says
Seriously? How can you write such twaddle, you must be mentally in the Middle ages, when spouting such stuff was de rigueur. or par for the course if you prefer. This the 21st century, we have looked into the depths of space and seen things that happened billions of years before ‘god’ was invented. No trace of the cloud fairy or all those billions living in heaven has been detected.
CogitoErgoSum says
We have seen to the end of the universe? Seriously? You have no idea how the universe came about or of what existed before or what will exist after. You are the one stuck in a world of limited dimensions and speaking twaddle. You don’t even know how little you know but think you know it all. You project your own thoughts upon others and are the one living in a world of cloud fairies.
somehistory says
to b carr
Have you not read what the scientists are saying these days. since the launching of the Webb camera? They are one and all saying how very ***wrong*** they have been to think and say and claim what they have been thinking, saying and claiming about the origins of the Universe.
You can’t see wind, but stand in a hurricane or tornado and say that wind does not exist.
God, and those others in heaven are invisible to human eyes. On that basis you want to say He, and they, do not exist.
Now, how about that tornado? How about that hurricane?
Atheists have no clue, can’t explain how it all began or where it’s going, but point fingers and call those of us who believe in things we cannot see with our physical eyes, deluded. It’s you who are deluded. Just as the Psalm says, “The foolish one has said in his heart, ‘there is no God.’.”
Peacelover says
+ !
Peacelover says
you said it somehistory ! Truth
somehistory says
Thank you very much, Peacelover
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Why don’t they just rebrand the Church of Sweden to the Mosque of Sweden, or the Deen of Sweden? Had I been a Swede, I’d be exploring the Norse religion and doing what I could to popularize it in my circle
James Lincoln says
It won’t take long, Infidel.
There probably already assembling the minarets.
James Lincoln says
They’re – pesky DragonDictate.
kq6kq6kq6 says
I don’t think I’m wrong, but that so-called Christian archbishop has committed blasphemy. Islam is about striking the neck, killing Jews and Christians. Jesus came to save men’s lives, not destroy them. The Catholic pope is just as bad. He bent down to kiss the feet of unrepentant Muslims.
gravenimage says
+1
Jim says
Mark Steyn said that multiculturalism is an intermediate stage on the way from not Muslim to all Muslim. That is what the Church is doing in Sweden. Is there some sort of obsession in Sweden with Islam? Their culture and ideals are just a transitional stage on the way to a Sharia dominated country with all the virtues of Islam? Is that it?
Jayell1 says
It looks like these ‘national churches’ are simply the religious arms of their own national establishments and stand for nothing at all apart from what is politically ‘correct’ or expedient for their purposes at any one time. So ‘church’ no longer implies any specific link with Christianity, just any old thing that can give them some semblance of ‘institutional holiness’, and probably defined by the group with the loudest mouths, the strongest propensity to throw their weight around, and maybe a bit of foreign financial backup; that’s obviously the cue for the muslims, who came barging in with their vocal decibel rating in inverse proportion to their IQ’s and standards of civilised morality. But then, islam was fabricated from the start to appeal to the severely intellectually challenged and the morally bankrupt, and if that means that those who want a career in sanctified posturing in silly clothes and silly hats, push up their corporate ratings and keep their company pensions, then who cares what noxious twaddle they peddle to keep their shows on the road? .
somehistory says
I agree with you, except that God and His Son are being slandered and misrepresented by these “morally bankrupt” creatures in “silly clothes and silly hats.”
Those Truly Holy Ones will deal with these lying panderers.
Uch says
If at all the Christian faith teaching are same with theirs, what we don’t know is when the begin to kill Christian, you start hearing radical Muslim from nonradical Muslim. These has thought many African country as Nigerians race lessons to be told. Don’t make yours worst as though you never heard of Africa crisis.
alexreid says
Just goes to show…. Religion is a Business! Absolute pathetic BS, especially when it endorses a perverted, degenerate, paedophilic, misanthropic political ideology as Islam!
Devasur says
Why same kind of support not extended to other religions? Why only to Islam? It only shows the Unholy alliance of Christian leaders and Islamists.
somehistory says
No, it does not.
As many have already pointed out on this thread, these ones inviting and welcoming mozilums in ***are not Christians.****
And from your many posts, it’s clear that you wouldn’t want to be invited to a Christian gathering. You would consider it wrong for a Christian to invite you, as you are against us doing that since you have your own beliefs.
gravenimage says
True, Somehistory.
James Lincoln says
Martin Modéus, the new “archbishop” in the Church of Sweden, is a fake, a phony, and a fraud.
He is making a mockery of Christianity!
somehistory says
Yes, James, and slandering our Lord and Savior; equating Him and His Father with the fake ‘prophet’ and noted raper of children, mass-murdering thief and slave owner/trader, lying slave and son of satan
gravenimage says
Church of Sweden archbishop screams ‘Allahu akbar,’ says Muhammad is prophet, successor says Muslims welcome to join
………………………………………..
This goes way beyond the usual foolishness of “Christlam”, where Christian leaders believe that Islam is a peaceful faith. The new archbishop is *actually a Muslim himself*. Complete madness. This cannot end well for Sweden of the rest of the West.
Peacelover says
‘Complete madness. This cannot end well for Sweden of the rest of the West’ = spot on gravenimage !
gravenimage says
Thank you, Peacelover. Seeing this suicidal insanity in so much of the West is deeply troubling.
Ron says
The Moose Limbs yell Allah Snackbar and the sheeple cower in fear. I gotta wonder if there isn’t some “kiss assing” going down by scoring brownie points in hopes to avoid violence.
In reading about the christian crusades I found that the first crusade was primarily fought against Moose Limbs who had been commanding violence for hundreds of years again the “Christians”..
Islam lacks any & all virtues & has NEVER been anything near a “religion”. It’s a political movement disguised as a religion, with a primary objective to strike fear into the hearts of “infidels”.
Jon Sobieski says
Why is the Church of Sweden so corrupt and blind? These church members who do not leave get what they deserve. Pure evil. Surgeons embracing transsexual surgery and priests embracing Islam. How evil they all are.