Tate has a point. Britain (and other Western countries) are in free fall, with little or no efforts to preserve its own heritage and history. The core values of the Judeo-Christian ethic have largely been discarded. Biblical values are now deemed to be outdated and “white supremacist,” even though Christianity originated in the Middle East.
In large part due to the subversion of the Christian ethic in the West, particularly under the influence of Islam and wokeism, instability is on the rise. The rule of law, including the freedom of speech, is under attack. In such situations, the most zealous entities generally prevail. Islam and Communist China are now the most dominant forces worldwide. Unless there is a strong Judeo-Christian resurgence in the West, the West is finished. David Horowitz’ book Dark Agenda: The War to Destroy Christian America gave sufficient warning, not only for America but for all Western countries founded on the principles of Christianity.
Sir Roger Scruton also makes a powerful argument in defense of Western culture in his book, Culture Counts: Faith and Feeking in a World Besieged. Scruton indicates that “self knowledge and self-confidence are the gift of serious cultures.” The Western culture has lost both, and is embracing anything and everything goes except Christianity.
In a demonstration of the fallout of the West’s abandonment of its own culture, Andrew Tate states:
The only alternative to Islam for the Brits are pride flags as they no longer have any innate culture or patriotisim. Allah is the best of planners and I look forward to seeing The Islamic republic of Great Britistan in her final form.
Tate is referencing Quran 8:30: “But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.”
The silence of the Churches throughout Western society’s transformation and abandonment of the Biblical ethic that once supported a strong, free society has now ushered in a new era. A vacuum has been created for whomever and whatever possesses enough zeal to dominate.
Tate was responding to news about “a Muslim billionaire winning rights to turn the Trocadero, one of London’s most famous landmarks, into a mosque.”
“Britain will be fully Islamic soon” – Andrew Tate shocks fans by openly calling for the Islamisation of Britain,” by Shivam Khatwani, Sportskeeda, July 18, 2023:
Controversial social media personality Andrew Tate has openly called for the Islamisation of Britain.
Responding to the news of a Muslim billionaire winning rights to turn the Trocadero, one of London’s most famous landmarks, into a mosque, Tate expressed his happiness and had this to say about Islamic culture:
“This building is literally dead centre in the middle of London’s historic centre. Amazing news. The only alternative to Islam for the brits are pride flags as they no longer have any innate culture or patriotisim. Allah is the best of planners and I look forward to seeing The Islamic republic of Great Britistan in her final form. Alhamdulillah Britain will be fully Islamic soon.”
As Andrew Tate looks forward to seeing the “Islamic Republic of Great Britain”, fans have been shocked by what he said. Take a look at some of the reactions below:
“Why islamic républic of great Britain ? cant muslims live with Christians , plus other religions without the « mission » to take over the country ?”…..
somehistory says
the creep was never Christian. He is a criminal and islam is just a license to be the psychopath he is proving himself to be.
mozlums are known for “sexual assault”…a.k.a. rape… on young children whom they claim are their wives; on young women who do not wear the garbage coverup garb of islam, and even on their real wives.
Evidently, tate decided that islam is what he wants because islam allows what he wants….to do crimes. islam doesn’t just “allow” the committing of crimes, but demands the committing of crimes.
“As of March 31, Tate remains under house arrest in Romania, following his arrest in December 2022 on multiple charges, including sexual assault, organized crime and human trafficking. The seriousness of these charges has added further complexity to the public’s perception of his religious transformation. During his time in jail, Tate shared on Twitter that he turned to the Quran for guidance and solace. Some question whether his newfound faith was genuine or a strategic move to garner sympathy or mitigate the consequences of his actions.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/andrew-tate-sends-shockwaves-by-publicly-advocating-for-the-islamification-of-britain-trolls-say-top-g-is-on-hallucinogenic-drugs/ar-AA1e4q34?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5ed730d0b6ab48c2a3ff88a4acb4d9f6&ei=27
Wasim Akhtar says
You have no proof of your false claims about Muslims killing everyone, or raping everyone, who is NOT a Muslim.
The punishment of murdering any innocent person or raping anyone in Islam is “DEATH”.
Here are more historical proofs that prove your falsehood:
1. Muslims ruled over India for more than 1000 years. But there are still more than 1 billion Hindus living in India. Why didn’t Muslims kill all those Hindus? Muslims in India could have killed a million Hindus every year, and nobody would have noticed.
2. Muslims ruled over Spain for more than 800 years, but there were still millions of Jews and Christians living peacefully in Spain until Spain was taken over by Christians. Then the residents of Spain were only given two choices: Become a Christian or leave.
3. For centuries millions of Christians and Jews have been living peacefully and practicing their faiths in Indonesia, Eqypt, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and dozens of other Muslim-majority countries. Why are they still alive? According to you Muslims SHOULD have KILLED all these non-Muslims. But they did not.
Here is the truth about the Christian Armies:
1. Just in the 21st century alone, they have killed more than 32 million unarmed Muslim children, women and men.
2.These Christian Armies are still killing more than 1 million Muslims each year.
3. At this rate the Christian Armies are on-track to kill more than 100 million unarmed Muslim children, women and men just in the 21st century.
4. Since its inception, Christian Armies have killed more than 170-million people over 20 centuries.
Christianity is dying because the vast majority of young Christians DO NOT even want to go to Church. Modern Christians are discovering the pagan faiths that became the foundation of Christianity staring in the 4th century.
Christianity became popular when it adopted the principles used by the Roman Gods and Mithraism.
here are just a couple of changes noted in history:
1. Romans worshipped multiple gods, so the concept of Trinity was introduced. The word TRINITY is not even mentioned once in the Bible.
2. 25th December was the birthday of Roman God, so that became the birthday of Jesus Christ. Historians have proved that Jesus was born between March and September, not December.
3. Sun-Day became the holy day for Christians because they started worshipping the Sun God.
Mithraism was another religion followed by the Romans just before Christianity came along. These are the ordains from Mithraism that were adopted by Christianity before it became popular in Roman Dynasty:
– Virgin Birth.
– Born in either a stable or a cave.
– Visited by wise men bringing Frankincense, gold and myrrh.
– Twelve Disciples.
– Last Supper
– Died on a cross and resurrected.
– Followers ate the “flesh” and drank the “blood” of Mithras.
– Mithras day was celebrated on the 25th of December and that’s now the day that people celebrate Christmas. Even though the Bible tells us that Christ was not born in December.
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According to a recent study published in the British Medical Journal, there were 45 virgin births reported in the United States between 1995 and 2008. Nearly .5% of the sample claimed divine intervention, not sex, as the source of their pregnancy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/america-s-virgin-births-one-in-200-mothers-became-pregnant-without-having-sex-9012360.html
America’s ‘virgin births’? One in 200 mothers ‘became pregnant without having sex.’
There have been many people who claimed to have been born of virgin mothers – Following is just a small list of virgin births in history:
https://www.nairaland.com/193520/there-many-other-virgin-births
So, now Christianity has thousands of more gods to worship.
gravenimage says
More Taqiyya from Wasim Akhtar:
You have no proof of your false claims about Muslims killing everyone, or raping everyone, who is NOT a Muslim.
The punishment of murdering any innocent person or raping anyone in Islam is “DEATH”.
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Note the Wasim Akhtar here doesn’t say that in Islam no Infidel is deemed innocent, so they are always fair game.
Then, the “Prophet” Muhammed himself raped and murdered Infidels, and in fact chided his thug companions for *not* raping their Infidel captives in a famous Hadith:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”
–Sahih Bukhari 3:34:432
More:
Here are more historical proofs that prove your falsehood:
1. Muslims ruled over India for more than 1000 years. But there are still more than 1 billion Hindus living in India. Why didn’t Muslims kill all those Hindus? Muslims in India could have killed a million Hindus every year, and nobody would have noticed.
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Muslims killed up to 80 million Hindus, more Infidels than in any place they conquered, which is saying a great deal. Now we are supposed to praise Muslims for not having been even more murderous. *Ugh*.
And note his sneering at how no one would have noticed the murder of a million Hindus–just sickening savagery.
More:
2. Muslims ruled over Spain for more than 800 years, but there were still millions of Jews and Christians living peacefully in Spain until Spain was taken over by Christians. Then the residents of Spain were only given two choices: Become a Christian or leave.
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The Muslim conquest and occupation of Spain was brutal. Try again.
More:
3. For centuries millions of Christians and Jews have been living peacefully and practicing their faiths in Indonesia, Eqypt, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, and dozens of other Muslim-majority countries. Why are they still alive? According to you Muslims SHOULD have KILLED all these non-Muslims. But they did not.
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Most Christians in Egypt have been driven out or murdered–the Coptic Christians surviving there today are an oppressed and threatened minority. The same is true of all other nations invaded by Muslims in the Middle East, Levant, and North Africa. Note that Egypt is the only nation Wasim Akhtar noted that was formerly Christian majority–in these other nations Muslims are mostly oppressing Hindus and other Infidels.
As for Jews, there are less than 100 surviving in Egypt today.
Then, Christians are not forced to attend Church, and they may leave the faith if they so desire–the same is true in Judaism. It is not like in Islam, where apostates are murdered.
Then, note that Wasim Akhtar here cites the Christian Trinity as being supposed polytheism. It isn’t, but that is not the main point–the main point is that Muslims regularly accuse Christians of being polytheists so they can be murdered outright. Just appalling.
Wellington says
+1.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Great factual and evidence-based takedown.
My compliments.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Great to see you back in form, Graven!
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington. James, and Infidel.
Hindu American says
Gravenimage, please ignore this inbred paki. It’s in his blood to despise his ancestors. His uncultured, moronic rant is typical of a mullah at a typical mosque on a typical Friday.
Wasim Akhtar says
You have no proof of your claims. Your exaggeration is obvious.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/population
There were 357 million people in India in 1950. If you extrapolate that to 1900, there were probably less than 200 million people living in India. Even less than half of that number if you go to back to the 12th or 13th centuries.
How could Muslims have killed 80 million Hindus, as you claim? When the total population of India was probably less than 100 million people.
Here is the historical proof of the murders committed over two thousand years:
Total Death-Toll Distribution — 0 to 2008
Christian 178,041,750
Antitheist 124,409,500
Sinic 107,923,750
Buddhist 87,946,750
Primal
Indigenous 45,561,000
Islamic 31,018,500
Indit 2,389,250
———— ——————-
Total: 577,290,500
This number does not include the 30 million Muslims that Christian Armies have already killed in the 21st century. Adding those killings puts Christian mass killings above 200 million innocent people. That is more than 30% deaths caused by Christians alone.
somehistory says
was akt
Just whom do you expect to believe your made up “stats”?
More mozlums have been murdered during the 22 and 1/2 years of the 21st century by your fellow mozlums than by anyone else.
Your fellow worshipers even attack each other while they gather to bend their knees and backs to your fake god. You don’t even respect your fellow mozlums.
mozlums have been murdering innocent people of all types and persuasions since your mass-murdering, raper of children, lying sack of maggot dung, slave-trading thief, and false prophet, invented your foul and evil belief system.
All of the people here on this site are fully aware that mozlums lie, lie and lie again. If you are writing stuff, you are lying. No one is going to fall for your balderdash.
islam is feculent and infects those devoted to it.
Christians aren’t murdering anyone, much less 30 million mozlums in this century.
Don’t bother trying again. You are wasting your time. Better spent on looking for a way to leave islam.
Wasim Akhtar says
Christians VIOLATE everything that Jesus Christ ever preached.
The word TRINITY is NOT even mentioned once in the Bible. That whole concept was CREATED in the 4th century when Christians copied the doctrines of the Roman Sun God and Mithras to make it easier for Romans to accept Christianity.
Here are the truths that you CANNOT deny:
1. Jesus Christ was born as a Jew.
2. Jesus Christ was circumcised as a Jew on the 8th day after his birth, just like a Jew.
3. Jesus left this earth as a Jew.
4. All the apostles of Jesus Christ ran away when Jesus was crucified.
5. There was not even one Christian anywhere in the world when Jesus left.
6. Christians follow the teachings of Paul, a self-proclaimed apostle of Jesus.
7. Paul never met Jesus in his life.
8. Paul replaced all the teachings of Jesus Christ with his own version of Christianity.
9. Paul was a known liar and an imbecile.
10. The real apostles of Jesus did not like Paul.
11. The real apostles of Jesus were Jews.
12. The label Christian and Christianity was a derogatory label that the Jews created 30 years after crucifixion to identify the followers of Christ,
According to a Christian Historian, David C Sim: There were:
– 1,000 Christians in the year 40,
– 1,400 Christians in 50,
– 1,960 Christians in 60,
– 2 744 Christians in 70,
– 3,842 Christians in 80,
– 5,378 Christians in 90, and
– 7,530 Christians at the end of the first century.
This is how successful Christianity was. There were less than 10,000 Christians at the end of the 1st century. Only after Christians started following Roman Pagan religious rituals, it became popular.
That is why historians call you Pauline Christians, because you DO NOT follow the laws that Jesus preached the last three years of his life. Nobody knows where Jesus was between the ages of 12 and 30. He had simply disappeared from this earth.
Jesus Christ NEVER proclaimed that he was a god. Nor he even asked his apostles to worship him. Jesus Christ is going to return as a Muslim at a masjid in Damascus. He is then going to destroy all Christian Churches.
gravenimage says
Muslims first invaded India in 711 AD. They had centuries to murder Hindus, and are still doing this today. The estimate of 80 million comes from respected historians L.S. Lal and Will Durant.
Note that Wasim Akhtar doesn’t cite where he got his spurious list from. This does not surprise.
Then, I don’t plan on arguing Christian tenets with Wasim Akhtar. Note that the Islamic “Jesus”–really, “prophet Isa”–is a figure whose main role in Islam is to *kill Christians* in the last days.
Note that he doesn’t deny that Islamic slurs of Christians allows their murder.
And the Muslim “Jesus” is supposed to not just destroy Churches, but to massacre Christians.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Wasim
If you do the math, 80 million people were killed over a 274 year period. This is just during the Mughal rule. Even if we used your estimates of what the population was in 1500, you’d have a bit less than 300,000 killings a year, w/ highs or lows depending on how intensely they were engaged in warfare. Then there is also another 70 million who were killed over 300 years, so your burn rate would be extended back another 300 years.
So 150 million Hindus, Jains, Buddhists & Sikhs were killed by muslims in India alone. I’m not even counting all the massacres done in the name of islam elsewhere – be it Central Asia, Iran, the Levant or Anatolia. It’s been estimated that the total islamic holocaust has been 270 million, but that’s only assuming that the India numbers were 80 million, rather than 150 million. So I’d think that 300 million people worldwide – from Morocco to Indonesia and Russia to Tanzania – would be the bare minimum killed over the millennium
Wellington says
Get lost, deceiver. You’ll make no headway here at JW. At the very least you should know that so many who post here regularly know only too well that non-Muslims will be treated half-well where Muslims predominate only if Islam is acknowledged as paramount to all.
Oh yeah, get lost, Wasim Akhtar. Good riddance and good riddance too to your decrepit excuse for a religion. There is no Allah, Mo was barbarian and the Koran is entirely made up.
somehistory says
To the mzlum calling himself…something….wa
You evidently can’t even read with understanding. Nowhere in my comment did I write anything about “murdering” anyone and I didn’t write “everyone” in regard to rape.
And as for “raping” non-mozlums….you males also rape your own wives who are most often also mozlum, whether they wish to be or not.
And, your book of demon filth may claim no “compulsion,” but your fellow mozlums go out of their way to prove this claim a *falsehood.* poor Hindu and Christian girls in India kidnapped, raped and “forced to convert” to your filthy belief system.
As for your list of “ruled” over by mozlums….that’s what mozlums like to do…rule over and dominate and subjugate everyone else for as long as you are able.
And as regards the Truth….you wouldn’t know Truth if it slapped your face and called you by name.
And of course, mozlums do murder….every day of the week, esp after your bending down to talk to satan in your buildings made for warfare on everyone else.
Wasim Akhtar says
There are still hundreds of millions of non-Muslims living in Muslim countries. They have all their rights of practicing their faiths.
Here is proof of the atrocities committed by the European States in just the 20th century:
6 Colonial Atrocities of the 20th Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYtV_2mdSak
Total Death-Toll Distribution — 0 to 2008
Christian 178,041,750
Antitheist 124,409,500
Sinic 107,923,750
Buddhist 87,946,750
Primal
Indigenous 45,561,000
Islamic 31,018,500
Indit 2,389,250
———– ——————-
Total: 577,290,500
———– ——————-
This number does not include the 32 million Muslims that Christian Armies have already killed in the 21st century. Adding those killings puts Christian mass killings above 200 million innocent people. That is more than 30% deaths caused by Christianity alone.
The istanbulian says
Where are the Christians of Anatolia, North Africa and the Levant, the Buddhists of Central Asia?
#dhimmitoo
Wasim Akhtar says
Where is the proof of your claims of Muslim atrocities?
Here is my proof of the atrocities committed by Christian Europeans:
6 Colonial Atrocities of the 20th Century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYtV_2mdSak
I can give you my proof of millions of Christians accepting Islam with one link. Just search for “New Muslims” on YouTube.
gravenimage says
Note that Wasim Akhtar is incapable of answering any of these questions. He is trying to hide Islam’s genocidal nature, but doing an exceptionally poor job of it.
Devasur says
What a load of crap, that’s same as saying Jews survived that means holocaust didn’t happen. Islamic invasion of India and their persecution of Hindus were the most brutal. You think all Hindus were gandhi and they didn’t fight back? Hindus were the ones who offered the fiercest resistance to islamic invasion. That’s why you people failed in India but succeed in whole of middle East and Africa.
Read real history instead of reading it from madarsa. If Hindus wanted to reciprocate your actions muslims wouldn’t have existed in the world.
Wasim Akhtar says
Prove my CRAP. Where is your evidence?
Do you really want me to know how many millions of people Hindu Terrorists have killed?
If Muslims were killing Hindus in India, there would not be more than 1 billion Hindus still living in India.
It is against the law of Allah SWT to force anyone to become Muslim. Allah SWT clearly states in the Holy Quran: “There is no compulsion in Islam.” And “Killing one person is like killing the entire humanity.” “Saving one life is like saving all the humanity.”
somehistory says
You misspelled a couple of words.
I shall correct them for you.
“UN-holy” book of evil filth transmitted to a mass-murderer who raped children, by demons.
And mozlums haven’t saved even one life….so humanity has not been aided in any way by islam or mozlums.
Millions of mozlums have murdered many millions of others of humanity, so according to you, islam has killed humanity….over and over and over.
You belong to a death cult which tells you to lie until the pigs no longer wade in mud ; lying n order to deceive people about your death cult.
gravenimage says
Wasim Akhtar wrote:
“Killing one person is like killing the entire humanity.” “Saving one life is like saving all the humanity.”
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This is *very* common Taqiyya from Muslims. This is Qur’an 5:32:
“That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.1 ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.”
Note that this doesn’t refer to Muslims *at all*–this is aimed at Jews, *not* Muslims. Then, the very next Qur’anic verse threatens anyone who impedes the bloody spread of Islam with amputation, crucifixion, or other murder.
gravenimage says
Wasim Akhtar wrote:
If Muslims were killing Hindus in India, there would not be more than 1 billion Hindus still living in India.
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There are *not* one billion Hindus in India. Wasim Akhtar can’t even keep his own bs straight.
Devasur says
Look at that contradiction says killing innocent is wrong but have no problem with killing millions of innocent Hindus. You hypocrites had no shame. What more can I expect from Evil savages like you.
Tatanka says
Taqiyya bud, Taqiyya all of it. Islam is the most vile totalitarian ideology ever INVENTED.It preys on women and children be they boys or girls and the term “live and let live” is a swear word to them and has set the muslim men on a infidel killing spree since its invention in 600+ AD by the criminal mohamed who invented that cult of death back when
THA Sultan says
For the sake and cause of muzlims so called allah of course it was Mo-Ham-Mad to say lie is halal. Listen Islam is not areligion but an evil ideology to dominate the world under their sword. How many of you saw the Saudi flag? Thise two flags are not for save of Saudis beard but chop your head off if you don’t surrender to Islam.
Aum says
Muslims butchered 80 million Hindus.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
150 million. See my other comments elsewhere in this page. Will Durant’s 80 million was in the Mughal era, whereas KS Lal’s 70 million was in the pre-Mughal era – from Mahmoud of Ghazni upto Ibrahim Lodi
sammy says
Jesus was not a pagan, therefore His followers are not pagans.
You falsely claim Christianity is pagan, whilst ignoring your own faith with is rooted in paganism. Mohammed was born a pagan and dies as one, he prayed to a pagan idol with his tribe the Quraish, its name was Hubal, its title was Al Ilah meaning” the god” aka Allah considered the lord/greatest of the 360 idols at the Kaaba.
Mohammed was already a slave of Allah denoted by his name Abdullah, as were his pagan father and grandfather before him, he just declared there to be one Allah keeping his familiar pagan rituals, Hajj Ramadan and the veneration of a stone, all Muslims continue to perform today.
If Mohammed was a true prophet of the God of Abraham, he should have abolished these pagan rituals not kept them, as the God of Abraham condemns paganism, not condone it, which is why neither Jews nor Christians perform or have ever performed these pagan practices.
Mohammed was ordered to fight people to bring them to Islam, Sahih Bukhari 52.4.196 which is what he did, subsequent Muslims followed his example and invaded lands not at war with Muslims ,such as The Holy Land, Spain, Persia ,India and North Africa, who violently subjugated the inhabitants, colonising their lands for Islam.
Nothing has changed because Allah’s words and Mohammed’s example are considered eternal which is why pious Muslims such as I.S.Boko Haram and Al Shabaab are busy violently subjugating “unbelievers” across the world today.
Islam is nothing more than reconstituted pre Islamic paganism made to appear an Abrahamic faith, which is deception, and deception comes from Satan, not from God.
You and all Muslims continue to remain victims of this deception to this day.
FYI says
Wasim Akhtar
“Non muslims are the Worst of created beings” {koran 98:6}
Do you agree?Please tell us infidels.muslims won’t answer.Just one word required to answer!
Come on…
YES
or
NO
Btw Christianity isn’t dying.Islam in fact has no prophetic future.
Islam also missed the ENTIRE law system of the Torah which allah says he gave to Moses koran 2:87..and no muslim ‘scholars’ can explain that.
gravenimage says
+1
ChrisFromCincinnati says
Wasim – To Correct your vast exaggeration with one simple truth.
Tell me what happened to the Millions of Greek, Armenian and Assyrian Christians that lived with the Muslims in Asia Minor (Now Turkey?). I will tell you. The people of YOUR FAITH killed them. Slaughtered millions. I know that your faith never teaches the truth about The Great Christian Genocide that happened 100 years ago… but it did happen. When Izmir was Smyrna. And when the great city was known as its real name: Constantinople.
Those people of Muslim faith slaughtered… beheaded… death marched… burned out… herded into the ocean to drown… that included my great grandparents.
Thank God my grandparents, that were herded into the sea to drown, could swim. And clung to freighters… which brought my family to South Africa and Ellis Island – for which I am forever thankful.
Millions of Christians killed by Muslims for being Christian’s.
Today a few thousand Christian’s exist in Turkey and literally have to have permission to celebrate Christmas.
Yes. You kind Muslims allows a few thousand Christians to live.
You probably think that’s generous.
THA Sultan says
We need new faces and new party to save Britain from the Islamic aggression. Our politicians are not leader and none of them are true British.
We need new leader to save Britain. Otherwise with in 20 years time our children will be forced to say Allah Akbar.”
tedrick says
There seems to be a weird attraction to Islam from the Western Elites and the political, religious, judicial, military, entertainment and media establishments of Western countries.
They wouldn’t have have done this 100 years ago. Islam hasn’t changed in that time but the Elites and the folks who run our establishments have.
Obviously no other religion does it for them. Just Islam.
The question then is why Islam?I
Is it really worth the world going to shit because of greed and money the already obscenely rich white Elites get from oil-rich religious maniacs?
Fitna says
If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything and that’s what we’re seeing with western nations.
As Ayaan Hirsi Ali once said we spit on our freedoms and take it for granted. We are foolishly sacrificing our way of life on the altar of political correctness and ofc submission/fear of Islam. That is our leaders/elites/media are doing it and mostly those in the Left and some on the Right.
I probably won’t be around in 20-30 years…so I might not see the worst of it…so it won’t really be a problem for me…but the younger generation needs to wise up as it will become their reality and a very ugly one.
As Muslims increase their numbers, so will their demands to bow to Islam…to cancel our holidays and use theirs, to convert more churches, temples and other landmarks into mosques and it’ll just snowball from there. They will enforce Islamic prayers and Halal meat, and Ramadan on non-Muslims.
This is the time to fight for our freedom, before their numbers are uncontrollable. The absolute worst thing that can happen to us non-Muslims if is Islamic parties start winning elections. They’ll abolish democracy overnight and bring in Sharia law.
Most people (who are clueless) will be shocked beyond belief that it can happen in a free western nation, but it will happen because we’ve grown lazy, cowardly and complacent, while Muslims are being aggressive and determined to defeat us.
The establishment of an Islamic state means actual genocide for non-Muslims who refuse to convert or live as dhimmis/slaves. There will be open warfare on the streets and if Muslims have the ‘upper hand’ at the time, we’ll obviously lose.
There are stories of native Europeans fleeing to other countries as we speak, because they know what’s coming (Islamification) and they see their gov’ts doing nothing to fight back.
Wasim Akhtar says
Just one verse from the Holy Qur’an proves you wrong:
Here is what Allah SWT states in the Holy Qur’an: [2:256]:
“There is NO COMPULSION in religion.”
So, it is against the basic principles of Islam to force anyone to convert. As a matter of fact, any Muslim who forces anyone to accept Islam, is kicked out of Islam in the eyes of Allah SWT.
Just look at India. Muslims ruled India for almost 1000 years, yet there are more than 1 billion Hindus still living and practicing their faith in India.
Also, just like rich Muslims have to pay taxes [called Zakat], the same rule also applies to rich non-Muslims. But in return Muslims provide them protection from outside attacks, and poor non-Muslims DO NOT have to pay any taxes. Those poor non-Muslims are also supported by the Muslim state. They are given free food and shelter.
That is why millions of Christians and Jews are still living in Muslim-majority countries.
So, educate yourself before you start flabbergasting.
gravenimage says
Wasim Akhtar wrote:
Just one verse from the Holy Qur’an proves you wrong:
Here is what Allah SWT states in the Holy Qur’an: [2:256]:
“There is NO COMPULSION in religion.”
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This is true. But what Wasim Akhtar here won’t tell you is that it is orthodox Islam to murder those who will not convert to Islam. This is perfectly Islamic–after all, Infidels can always freely choose to die.
If this pious Mohammedan *really* objected to his barbaric coreligionists murdering Infidels, he would take it up with them, instead of slinging Taqiyya at Fitna and the other good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
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So, it is against the basic principles of Islam to force anyone to convert. As a matter of fact, any Muslim who forces anyone to accept Islam, is kicked out of Islam in the eyes of Allah SWT.
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In that case, the “Prophet” Muhammed would himself have been kicked out of Islam by Allah, given that he regularly murdered Infidels–yet he is considered the “model man” for Muslims.
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Just look at India. Muslims ruled India for almost 1000 years, yet there are more than 1 billion Hindus still living and practicing their faith in India.
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Muslims couldn’t kill them all–but it was not for want of trying. Up to 80 million Hindus were slaughtered by Wasim Akhtar’s savage coreligionists—more Jihad killing than was suffered anywhere else–yet he wants us to applaud them not having gotten to everyone. Then, that two hundred years or so of British rule slowed them down considerably…
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Also, just like rich Muslims have to pay taxes [called Zakat], the same rule also applies to rich non-Muslims. But in return Muslims provide them protection from outside attacks, and poor non-Muslims DO NOT have to pay any taxes. Those poor non-Muslims are also supported by the Muslim state. They are given free food and shelter.
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This is a reference to the crushing and humiliating Jizya payments–and the “protection” offered is from Muslims. This is just like Mafia “protection money”–and this is no coincidence, because this bunch of thugs were inspired by the brutal Muslim occupation of Sicily.
Then, the dhimmi community as a whole had to pay Jizya–and if it fell at all short the Infidels would be slaughtered by the Muslims.
Then, the idea that Shari’ah states gave charity to poor Infidels is an utter lie–Zakat cannot be given to non-Muslims, but it can go to fund violent Jihad.
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That is why millions of Christians and Jews are still living in Muslim-majority countries.
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Just perverse. There are almost no Jews surviving in Dar-al-Islam today. Iran is one of the few Muslim countries where some Jews do live, and they are not allowed to leave. Iran keeps them, in fact, to drain them via taxes.
Then, Christians are being driven out of most of the Muslim world–or murdered outright. The Middle East, the Levant, and North Africa were all majority-Christian, and now there are fewer surviving there all the time.
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So, educate yourself before you start flabbergasting.
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This is very poor Taqiyya–and in addiction, Wasim Akhtar clearly has no idea what “flabbergasting” means:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/flabbergasting
I could say that Wasim Akhtar’s Taqiyya is flabbergasting, but this would not be accurate; instead, it is all too expected. Too bad he doesn’t realize that this dishonest whitewash of Islam will not fly here.
James Lincoln says
Not sure why Wasim Akhtar keeps coming back for more punishment, gravenimage.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Just 1 correction, Graven – quantitative rather than qualitative. 150 million Hindus, Buddhists, Jains & Sikhs were massacred, and Buddhism was virtually wiped out of India. The 80 million that you cited is only under the Mughals & beyond – from 1500s to 1800: that’s the number that Will Durant gives Another 70 million were massacred from 1000-1500, that involved different mass murderers – from Mahmoud of Ghazni right down to Tamerlane & beyond, before Babur: this number is from KS Lal. Since these cover mutually exclusive periods in history, it’s fair to add the two and come up to 150 million
Otherwise great retort
gravenimage says
I imagine Wasim Akhtar assumed we’d be the usual clueless dhimmis here, James. No such luck…
Infidel, thank you for your correction. 80 million is horrifying enough–but you are probably right that it is even more. Just appalling.
The istanbulian says
So where are the Christians of the Levant, Anatolia, and North Africa? Where are the Buddhists of Central Asia?
Why are there Arabs from the Atlantic to the Indian Oceans?
#dhimmitoo
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Wasim
2:256 – no compulsion in religion – means that the infidel has the choice of converting, or getting executed for not converting. In the warped minds of the designers of islam, that’s a choice!
Also, muslims did not rule all of India, but just parts of it. Many of the rulers had a good hold on Delhi, but other than that, just random territories all over. The only time there was a solid muslim onslaught was from Akbar to Aurangzeb, but other than that, muslims never had the sort of control anywhere to completely destroy the native populace.
Despite that, muslims massacred 150 million Hindus, Jains, Buddhists & Sikhs from 1000-1800. As I mentioned to Gravenimage above, 70 million Hindus, Jains & Buddhists were massacred b/w 1000 (the year Mahmoud Ghaznavi first invaded) to 1526 (the year Babur invaded): Buddhism & Jainism were almost wiped out of India. From 1526 to 1799 (the year Tipu Sultan was killed), another 80 million Hindus & Sikhs were massacred. There were enough muslim fiefdoms all over the subcontinent where that took place – Delhi, Gujarat, Deccan, Bengal, Oudh,…
As for zakat & jiziya, there is a major difference. Zakat was 1/5 of what muslims earned, but that went into the war-chest of the muslim ruler to fight jihad. Today, it goes to various jihadist groups in the subcontinent, but mainly India, such as PFI, AIMIM, Hizbul Mujahideen,.., and the proceeds of that “charity” is used to target non-muslim girls/women for conversion or murder, grab land under India’s notorious “Waqf Act” (that allows any land to be claimed as Waqf property & putting the onus on the non-muslim owners)
Jiziya, otoh, was something that non-muslims had to pay in a degrading way. It wasn’t filling in a tax form & mailing a check to the sultan: it was standing in the public square, paying the tax & getting either beaten or spit on by the muslim tax collector. You can spare us the malarkey of poor non-muslims not having to pay taxes. Also, “protection from outside attacks” is an interesting exercise in taquiyya from you, but in reality, it’s no different from protection money that people had to pay mob bosses in Chicago or New York. Also, there are not millions of Jews living in muslim countries: the few who do live in Morocco do so b’cos Morocco has a very special arrangement w/ them that no one else does – not Tunisia, not Yemen, not Iraq, no muslim country! There are Christians in countries like Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, & theirs is a pathetic lot
I’m guessing from your name that you’re from Pakistan, & there, this racket works just as well. Paki Hindus have to set aside a huge portion of their earnings for paying off such protection rackets, ransoms if their daughters get kidnapped and so on. Essentially, what you described w/ zakat & jiziya is what a criminal enterprise would do, & it’s very apt. That’s how every muslim dynasty in the subcontinent ran things – from the Mamluqs, Qhiljis, Tughluqs, Sayyids, Lodis, Mughals, Bahmanis, Oudh nawabs, & the various sultans of Gujarat, Malwa, Jaunpur, Bengal & so on
Devasur says
I repeat it again, this is same as saying Jews survived that means holocaust didn’t happen. You have to be shameless to core to claim that, Hindus survived not thanks to muslims. If it were so muslims wouldn’t be crying victim 24 hours in India. Hindus survived because they fought tooth and nail against you savages. Read real history madrasachapa. The current Pakistan and India is an example of how islamic rule and Hindu rule was. That’s why your empires collapsed.
It’s just appalling that you think muslims couldn’t completely wipe out them so muslims should appreciated for it? What a psychopath, no different from your co religionists.
JM says
According to you, all Shafi’ite scholars, the majority of all Hanbali scholars including Ibn Taymiyyah for he orders the killing of Shiites, all Zahiri scholars inclyding the famous Ibn Hazm, all Hanafite scholars (for they force Arab non-muslims into islam) and even Muhammad himself are allNOT Muslim.
Heck, if we are to include the Sharia rulings on apostasy, the entirety of the Ulema is not a Muslim.
Muhammad himself, as recorded by Al Tabari in his Tafsir for Surah 2:256, forced the Pagan Arabs of Arabia into islam, an act that caused many later scholars, including Al Tabari himself, to believe that Surah 2:256 only refers to the Ahl Al Kitab and the Zoroastrians.
You are the person that Allah has kicked out of islam, for you have officially Takfired the ENTIRETY of the Ulema.
Sahih Bukhari 6130
“Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, ‘If a man says to his brother, O Kafir (disbeliever)!’ Then surely one of them is such (i.e., a Kafir). ‘ “
FYI says
A verse from holey quran that proves the quran false
{Apart from all the other well known ,countless, ones..}
koran 5:116
allah mistakenly thinks Christians worship 3 gods..allah,Jesus and…MARY!
And a Triangle has 4 sides, the 4 Beatles were John,Paul,George and muhammed
“allah knoweth ye knoweth not”
koran 2:216
allah knoweth not …the Science behind creation,Christian Theology,The purpose and meaning of the Torah..
Someone claiming to be omniscient and then he misunderstands something as important as the belief system of other religious.Hilarious!
Fitna says
Wasim,
For every “peaceful” verse, you can find hundreds in the Quran inciting Muslims to hate, enslave, torture, kill non-Muslims if they refuse to convert.
The Islamic invasion of India is probably the bloodiest story in human history…just read some history books by Will Durant for example.
And other posters here have done a great job of setting the historical record straight.
What your tiny brain is unable to comprehend Wasim is that your death cult had destroyed great civilizations wherever it’s spread. It is the greatest evil on the planet that has yet to be dealt with but hopefully this century it will.
You’re wasting your time here, everyone is enlightened on this board about Islam and we seek its eradication as much as you seek to eradicate ‘disbelief in Allah.’
tim gallagher says
I agree , Fitna, that there is too much fighting and brawling among different groups in western societies and there is a lack of belief in the core principles of our way of life. It has greatly weakened those societies. Back when the European countries woke up and threw the barbaric Muslim invaders out of Europe all those years ago, the populations of those western countries would have believed in the core values of those societies. I do hope that somehow people in the western world will wake up again and throw the invaders out but I think that, unfortunately, it is extremely unlikely to happen this time around. What a hideous prospect if islam’s barbaric garbage were to win the war and be imposed on the civilised, non-Muslim world.
gravenimage says
+1
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the +1, gravenimage. i hope it is not true in the long run but western societies do seem to be divided and there is too much in-fighting and brawling which weakens their resolve and it does look as if the western world is in some kind of decline. Here’s hoping it gets turned around. The idea of islam actually winning this long running war is horrendous. It would usher in such a dark age of barbarity. The idea of that loathsome, inhuman regime in China dominating the world is also a horrible thought.
gravenimage says
Yes, Tim–we are in danger from Islam *and* from feckless dhimmi fools here in the West as well.
Fitna says
Thanks Tim and concurred.
Yes to Christianity’s credit, because most people in the past were united under that banner, it was much easier to throw out the Islamic invaders.
Today, non-Muslims completely lack unity. And as we’ve seen some Christians for example laugh at the Left and LGBT when they’re forced to against Islamic fascists on their own.
Conversely I’m sure the LGBT laugh when Christians are being massacred in other nations by Muslims.
So this division and hate will make it easier for Muslims to go after us as they are united with one cause while we have our own separate tribes.
Until Christians, LGBT, Atheists, Hindus, etc…all realize we face a common enemy and work together to defeat them, then the fight for everyone will be much harder.
As you were saying it is also very possible because of our disunity that Muslims will pit us against each other while they work to establish Islamic rule and after that what they did to 100s of million of other people in various countries, they’ll do to us.
If the situation deteriorates like in France and if it seems Muslims might defeat us, then I’m sure many people who oppose Islam will step up and do the needful.
It’s funny for the first time recently a couple of my non-Muslim friends have spoken about hitting the gym, getting in shape again, because we might be forced to defend ourselves from jihadists…all this time I thought they didn’t take this issue seriously…but people clearly see what’s coming even if they don’t speak openly about it much.
So I think when things get really dire, there will be thousands perhaps millions of us out there to save our freedom/way of life.
Fitna says
*forced to fight against…
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tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comment, Fitna. At the moment, in most western countries I think there is too much division, as in the critical race theory being taught to kids in schools and at universities, all the running down of western countries for their supposed terrible past sins by the left wing academics and media types. Here in Australia, I have heard a few commentators say that young people are being taught to hate the society to a point where they won’t defend it because they have been taught that it is so evil. Then there is all this trans lobby and all the other fighting and brawling.
Like you, I do live in hope that most people will wake up and realise that we are going to have to get very tough with islam. That’s interesting about your non-Muslim friends saying that they had better get a bit fitter in case they had to deal with a Muslim terrorist attack. Here’s hoping our societies do face up to the malignant nature of islam and deal with this scourge in a realistic way.
gravenimage says
I’ve known some gay anti-Jihadists, Fitna. And I have not heard *anyone* save Muslims gloat over the murder of Christians by Jihadists. Of course, gay or straight, many in the West are completely unaware of the Islamic genocide against Christians.
Kesselman says
What goes around comes around. The Western appeasement policy toward the thugs of Islam, now going on for decades, a mozlum takeover will appear as a “natural” outcome. Astonishing as it may be it’s of no surprise.—Long ago the French author Michel Houllebecq warned in several novels about an Islamic takeover of France.—Just as Tate, psychopaths like he sees his great opportunities in a society ruled by perverts; freewheeling with underage brides just to mention the first and most attractive asset the fake religion can offer.
And as Houllebecq already showed in his book “Submission” the judiciary, judges were at the forefront to pardon Islamists in anticipation of an alien takeover. It’s exactly what’s going on in today’s France.
gravenimage says
Andrew Tate: ‘Britain will be fully Islamic soon’
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Andrew Tate is a thug who has often been violent against women and has been involved in human trafficking. He is a self-avowed misogynist and says that women belong to men. He is also racist and hates gay people.
This is the kind of creep attracted to Islam.
After a video of him praying at a mosque in Dubai went viral last year, he announced on his Gettr account that he had converted to Islam. This does not surprise.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
All that is true, but it’s worth analyzing why many on the right support him, including people like Tommy Robinson, who’s himself reasonably anti-islamic. Tate’s pointed out – correctly – the total breakdown of norms in the West, thanks to the softening of organized religion in the West, the emergence of feminism destroying the traditional bonds that existed b/w men & women, and on top of that, the emergence of LGBTQIA2SMAP+ as a major movement
What he misses out is that it’s the Corporate West – which does not wanna be confronted by the Left on Marxist issues like income inequality & or their pockets being lined – co-opting the Left by embracing their non-economic agenda, be it LGBTQIA+, climate change, systemic racism, abortion. Embracing these doesn’t impact the top or bottom lines of woke corporations, but does help them win over the support of the Left by converging w/ them on social issues. Note that the Left ain’t getting it for free: they have to look the other way on corporate greed issues, for instance
Essentially, this is what is fueling the woke movements in the West, & threatening to invade the second & third worlds. But now, the right, which previously was willing to have Corporate America’s back, is now breaking w/ it. People who previously justified looking the other way b’cos… “Free Market” are now turning on them, especially when Corporate America is now represented by Hollywood, Social Media (I hate using the term “Big Tech” here), Asset Management companies, & so on. We saw it in the successive boycotts of Bud Lite, Disney, Fox, Target, K-mart and so on, and now, the top & bottom lines of these companies are getting mauled. As a result, they’ve started shedding all their affirmative action hires, cancelling their long term equity goals, and trying to win back things, but I think it may be too late. Once this marriage b/w the Left & the Corporate West is broken, you won’t see woke causes being liberally underwritten by Wall Street
As for Andrew Tate, for now, he is right about the only choice being b/w islam & LGBTQIA2SMAP+, & has picked the former. I still look at it as an Alien vs Predator situation, but I don’t blame people who pick islam: if “minor-attracted persons” is an acceptable “gender” category, in what way was Muhammad-Aisha’s “marriage” wrong? Also, by endorsing all the misogynic & thuggish attributes of islam, when it’s all over, islam will look even worse to the general public thanks to the antics of Sneako and Andrew Tate
somehistory says
I read an article today about a man from Africa who moved to the U.K. some years ago and went to university to learn how to be a social worker. He was kicked off the course due to his Christian beliefs.
Then he applied for work as a social worker with the nih; was told he was the best candidate, but they told him he would have to “embrace and encourage” homosexuality. He said he would treat them as any other client, but couldn’t do as they wanted due to his Christian beliefs. So they refused to hire him.
Another article on the U.K. said it is no ‘country for Christians.’ some pro-life Christians were refused entry to a church there, while those in the ‘woke’ business were allowed in with their signs.
islam and the perversions of the alphabet people are making life difficult for everyone else.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
He’d be better off in Africa. As you may have read, Uganda has been targeted for passing a law criminalizing homosexuality, and that has the likes of Trudeau & others up in arms. This hostility from the West is why we saw that news here a few days ago about Iran sending feelers to Uganda. My only negative about Uganda is that they seem to be doing nothing about the jihad in their country from muslims, but in that, they are by no means alone
gravenimage says
Terrible, Somehistory.
gravenimage says
Infidel, from what I’ve seen Tommy Robinson seems pretty ambivalent about Andrew Tate, mostly noting that since he converted to Islam no one is talking about his being a misogynist–and this much is true. Whether this actually translates to support I don’t know. Perhaps you have information I do not.
And–with all respect–I just don’t find the case that Westerners are converting to Islam for moral reasons to be compelling. Yes, there are problems in the West, many of which I have acknowledged here myself. But rape and child rape–including raping boys, incidentally–and robbing and murdering non-Muslims simply *is not* moral, unless you subscribe to the horrors of Islam itself.
For instance, Islam is not ‘tough on crime’–not if you are a Muslim robbing, raping, or murdering Infidels.
And I just don’t agree that the only choices are Islam or becoming gay or “trans”–I think this is a false choice.
As for “minor-attracted persons”–something I find horrifying–the idea that your only other choice is to embrace a creed that *sacralizes* child rape is inexplicable. I oppose child rape, whether done in the name of being soft on crime or of institutionalizing child marriage.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Oh, I do agree that it’s a false choice, which is why I noted that this is an Alien vs Predator scenario. I was just saying that people who pick islam over wokeism are not totally w/o a moral compass, since there’s little to choose b/w these 2. But these 2 – Tate & Sneako – definitely are!
I don’t know more about Tommy Robinson’s position than you do. You’re probably right about him
gravenimage says
Infidel, thanks for your reply. But I don’t see Andrew Tate’s horrible views on women–very much in line with Islam even before his conversion to that vicious creed–much indicative of a moral compass.
This, from a Guardian article on Tate:
Andrew Tate says women belong in the home, can’t drive, and are a man’s property.
He also thinks rape victims must “bear responsibility” for their attacks and dates women aged 18–19 because he can “make an imprint” on them, according to videos posted online.
In other clips, the British-American kickboxer – who poses with fast cars, guns and portrays himself as a cigar-smoking playboy – talks about hitting and choking women, trashing their belongings and stopping them from going out.
“It’s bang out the machete, boom in her face and grip her by the neck. Shut up bitch,” he says in one video, acting out how he’d attack a woman if she accused him of cheating. In another, he describes throwing a woman’s things out of the window. In a third, he calls an ex-girlfriend who accused him of hitting her – an allegation he denies – a “dumb hoe” (sic).
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Dr K says
Islam is the Margarine of Religions
* A recent invention
* Highly processed
* Artificially coloured
* Extremely toxic
Fuck.islam, Sharia Is Shit!
࿗Infidel࿘ says
There are good things about margarine, say when occasionally used to prepare cakes, turkeys & so on. There is nothing good about islam
Dr K says
Actually , that’s my point .
Margarine is poison plain and simple
Don’t let it anywhere near you , just like islam .
gravenimage says
I *wish* Islam were as relatively benign as margarine.
James Lincoln says
Dr K,
Stick margarine also remains solid at room temperature due to trans fats.
Not good.
Hudders says
Soon?
The scumbag Tate makes an understatement.
The way parts of Cities, Towns & villages now look & smell;
-mixed with menacing gangs of muslim thugs spreading fear, hate and submission everywhere, tells me it may well be even ‘sooner than soon!
This once beautiful nation and it’s beautiful, tyolerant and cohesive communities, of all ilks, kinds and creeds is in DESPERATE DANGER.
Pray. Pray & keep praying..
Mark Spahn says
Christine Douglass-Williams reports on Roger Scruton’s new book, “Culture Counts: Faith and Feeking in a World Besieged”. Somebody give this man a knighthood. He deserves it for revitalizing Christianity with a form of worship he calls “feeking” (a kind of freaky tweaking, I infer). J. S. Bach did this in centuries past with innovative religious music, and now Roger Scruton has invented a new form of religious dance. Let’s feek away!
FYI says
Jihadi school
Imam;the whole world is converting to islam ha ha.According to TNN{taqqiya news network} 500 trillion Hispanics joined us last year.We are winning in the west.Our dawah teams are falling for the religion of peace gimmick!
Khalid:That’s a shame.I thought Hispanics liked music.Don’t they know music is haram in islam?And women have to wear a bag on their heads?
Abdool:Yeah some of that salsa music is pretty cool.Great beat.Makes you wanna dance.Shame we don’t have that in islam.Lucky hispanics.Why would they give all that up just to join a cult?
idi ameen:….against whom?Who are we winning against?why does allah not already own the planet like the Biblical God does?it is a mystery to me..
࿗Infidel࿘ says
World’s total population is 8 billion. World’s total muslim population would be 1.8-2 billion. The imam in this scenario seems pretty brilliant: we’d have to colonize Saturn if there were anything even close to 500 trillion people, let alone Hispanics
Jim says
Most people who adopt Islam are probably just doing this to stand out as progressive and different. They probably know nothing at all about the contents of its holy scriptures and how they are put into practice. They may be impressed by its exotic nature and the exotic costumes the women and girls wear. That is how they are. Probably the young men who become jihadis are also agttracted to the adventure and the belief that violence is a way to fame and fortune. The problem is whether people can get out as easily as they can get in. And what happens as its share of the population rises. Will it be as tolerant as it professes to be when it is a small minority. And what happens when the less attractive doctrines start being realized in practice.
Ark says
The moment Britain became muslim state, they will run away to France.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Assuming that France too hasn’t been islamized. Also, if France weren’t, would they even take them?