“He has fashioned the earth a bed for you…” (Qur’an 2:22)
“Until, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of muddy water, and found a people nearby.” (Qur’an 18:86)
“And Allah has made the earth a carpet for you…” (Qur’an 71:19)
The original video has been taken down from the Muslim Community Center – MCC East Bay YouTube page.
“California Islamic Scholar Dr. Ali Ataie: Earth Is Flat, Moon Landings Were Fake, 94% Of Astronauts Are Freemasons, As Is Neil DeGrasse Tyson; You Believe In Gravity, I Believe In God,” MEMRI, June 10, 2023:
Dr. Ali Ataie, who is an Islamic scholar and a professor at Zaytuna College in Berkeley, CA said at the Muslim Community Center in the San Francisco Bay Area that there is a “growing” flat-earther “movement” among the scientific community, and he said that footage that the footage of astronauts in space was visibly filmed in a pool. He questioned how there can be seas and oceans if the Earth is spherical, and he said that Sir Isaac Newton’s theory of gravity is bogus, referring to him as a Freemason and an occultists. He also said that if the Quran says that the Earth is flat, it therefore must be flat. In addition, he claimed that nobody has ever seen the dark side of the moon because the moon is a light and not a spherical object, and he said that the overwhelming majority of astronauts are Freemasons. He also said that American astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson is a Freemason. The lecture was part of a series of lectures about “Quranic Science” and it was uploaded to the YouTube account of the Muslim Community Center – MCC East Bay on June 10, 2023.
Dr. Ali Ataie: “Geocentrism is that the earth is stationary and that the heavenly bodies are revolving around the Earth. Nowadays, if you even suggest something like that, you will be crucified, basically. Not only that… There is a growing movement nowadays – this is not just among Christians, this is in scientific community – [who say] that the Earth is actually a plane, that it is a flat plane, that it is not globular, and it is stationary. This is a very popular movement now.”
[…]
Audience member: “But all the astronauts, who have gone up to the space stations and all that, they say it is round.”
Ataie: “Oh yeah, that’s what they say, but we haven’t seen a picture. I mean, we have these images of astronauts working in the space stations, with the Earth in the background, but look at the Earth, there are no satellites, which there are supposed to be 20,000 satellites – you don’t see a single one. You don’t see a single plane anywhere. And every so often in one of their videos, you will see bubbles come up, which means they are in a pool, in front of a green screen, and you can find these videos.
“So how does water convex itself? So if the Earth is round, water can bend itself. Can I do that, can I conduct that experiment? I can certainly pour water into a container and the water will take the shape of the container, but I am not talking about that. I am talking about pouring water out and making it into a convex sculpture, without it… Because water always finds a level.”
Audience member: “But it is the gravity, which is keeping it…”
Ataie: “That’s the whole answer, it is the catch-all, it is gravity. It’s gravity, don’t worry about it, it’s gravity… So people in Australia are walking upside down, and trillions of tons of water are sticking to the Earth upside down, because of gravity, but a bird flying over the ocean… So gravity is strong enough that it holds all this water, but just weak enough that a bird can fly over the ocean or a fish to swim through that water. So it’s very strange. A fickle thing gravity is.
[…]
“Sir Isaac Newton – a knighted Freemason, occultist – sitting around, an apple falls on him, [saying]: ‘Oh there is gravity, what an epiphany!’ No, it is called relative density. Initially this sounds like a totally ridiculous notion, right? But those who make this argument are saying that there is scientific backing for it, and that the vast majority of opinions of human beings throughout history, is that the earth is geocentric.
[…]
“You believe in gravity, I believe in God.
[…]
“Because if we are definitive on things… And I think it is a great wisdom that Allah doesn’t give us definitive answers, because the scientific community keeps changing their minds. So if we believe that the Quran is correct, even if the Quran says that the Earth is flat, then it has to be flat. And for 2000 years people are ridiculing the Muslims, saying: ‘You guys are barbarians, you are crazy, it is not flat.’ Then in 2000 years later they say, ‘Oh yeah, it’s flat.’
[…]
“Also another thing about the moon is that you never see the dark side of the moon. You never see the backside of the moon. So if it is orbiting, why don’t we ever see the backside? All it does is go like this… It just rotates like that, it never turns… There is not backside, it is a light, it is translucent. You can’t land on something like that.”
Audience member: “But then you don’t believe they landed on the moon.”
Ataie: “How do you get through the Van Allen Radiation Belts? Even right now, if you talk to modern scientists, and say: ‘What is the biggest challenge with space travel?’ We can’t even get out of low Earth orbit, 200 miles away from Earth, and they have massive radiation belts, we have to figure that out. This is 50 years after six moon landings? They can’t go 200 miles off the Earth, but 50 years ago, they went 500,000 miles round-trip, six times. You know, $19 billion they fleeced from the American public.
[…]
“Five hundred and fifty or so astronauts have been up in space – [of them] 94% or something are Freemasons, the secret society. It’s a fact, Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, the first men on the moon [are] 33rd degree Masons. This is a fact. And secret societies keep secrets.
“Do you know Neil deGrasse Tyson? Have you ever heard of this guy? Also a Mason, he is sort of the go-to-guy of the modern scientific world.
[…]
“That is just what they said, ‘we found 70 planets, and they’re just like Earth…’ Sure they did… I don’t think so…”
somehistory says
He should be easy to push over the edge. Free-falling….no parachute….islamic scholars a.k.a mental morons
The moon gets its light from the sun. Scientists discovered years ago that there are tiny pieces of glass on the moon’s surface and these reflect the sun’s light. The moon is not made of light.
And, he didn’t name any of these *scientists* who supposedly are saying, ‘ah now, the earth is flat.’
As to “gravity,”….push him off the edge of his flat earth and see if he flies.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Reminds me of that muslim joke about an imam who was appointed to school a madrassah, despite being completely illiterate
Day 1, he goes to class & asks the students if they know what he’s gonna talk about. When they say no, he asks them what use is it to hold the class if they don’t know what he’s gonna talk about?…. and dismisses the class
Day 2, he goes to class & asks the same question. This time, some students know. The Imam tells them to tell the students who don’t know what they know, and they’ll all be on the same page…. and dismisses the class
Day 3. he goes to class & sees a commotion. He asks them what it’s about, & 2 kids are arguing on which one is more useful – the sun or the moon? Imam says it’s obvious – the moon, since it lights up things at night, whereas the sun is on during the day when there’s already light, making its presence redundant
somehistory says
that’s a good one. sounds like reality
abu taleb says
> Imam says it’s obvious – the moon, since it lights up things at night, whereas the sun is on during the day when there’s already light, making its presence redundant
That is why Allah uses moon calendar just like some primitive tribes. Showing that Allah is nothing more than a creation of a primitive tribe, Arab tribe in this case.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I think Jews use lunar calendars as well, but do not subscribe to this lunacy. There are some other groups in the world too that prefer lunar calendars
somehistory says
Lunar goes with the days of the month…in number, tides, etc. It’s easier to figure when their Holy Days are to fall.
Scott Johnson says
I can’t wait when the truth finally comes out. We have been lied to for so long we are taught to believe the lies and turn a blind eye to the truth. American institutes arecorrupted and can’t be trusted. Look at the current administration and how far they go to make the lies a reality.
tim gallagher says
Surely just a fringe dwelling loony which is what most Muslim “scholars” seem to be. What a way to advance scientific knowledge. Duh, the Koran says the earth is flat, so, duh, the earth is flat. End of story. Beyond idiotic. It is amazing that anyone would actually listen to this deluded man at all.
Michael Copeland says
The Koran says the sun sets in a muddy pool (18:86), so, Duh, that is where it sets.
Tade says
To cool off i think 🤔
tim gallagher says
It sets in a muddy pool, eh. I didn’t know that, Michael. I have been believing untruths all these years. Thanks for setting me right by telling me what the infallible Koran says on the subject. That must be the truth then Michael. No need for any scientific investigation, no need for the mighty efforts and achievements of the Scientific Revolution. Seriously, the crap these Muslim “Scholars” come up with is beyond idiotic, isn’t it.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
So have they given up on the claim that Neil Armstrong converted to islam after landing on the moon? In other words, his denials of that while he was still alive convinced them?
gravenimage says
Yes, Infidel–I find the “Neil Armstrong converted to Islam after hearing the Muslim call to prayer on the moon” claim particularly amusing. The “proof”? Armstrong “moved to a Muslim country” after his conversion. This was Lebanon, Ohio, not the country.
VMS says
An Islamic scholar indeed!!!
Wellington says
Islamthink.
Emilie Green says
The best of peoples.
Indeed.
SKA says
Weirdly the fact that the early Muslims correctly calculated the direction of the qibla wherever they built their mosques (and continue to do so to this day) shows that the architects and engineers among them understood how to plot directions across a spherical surface. Dan Gibson exact measurements of the earliest mosques to demonstrate that Petra, not Mecca, was the original qibla of the Muslims. Everything Muslims supposedly know about their early history was redacted by Kaliphal dictates. The early Nabataeans were much more sophisticated than their latter-day followers.
John Smith says
This guy is an absolute genius, Iv’e been so enlightened by his mind blowing facts.
Pray Hard says
When one has pancake brains, a flat Earth is the best one can do. Remember Milo Y? He’s on GAB and apparently believes the Earth is flat.
somehistory says
Isaiah wrote about the shape of the earth way before the book of lies was concocted. (in chapter 40)
abu taleb says
I think he should go to Sear Tower in Chicago or other sky scrappers and see himself that the earth is round not flat. Then he certainly can jump from the rower to kill himself because he realizes that Allah is a complete fool. LOL
somehistory says
If one walks out on the beach in Daytona, FL., looks out across the vast Atlantic, it’s possible to see that the earth curves. It’s really nice to see.
gravenimage says
True, abu taleb and Somehistory.
weavo2 says
“Quranic Science” now that is a good laugh. Makes a person wonder if he really believes this nonsense.
Just trying to figure or understand his thought process is not possible. How can anyone be so incredibly ignorant.
He is Muslim. Stupidity and hatred is their reason to exist.
VictorMc says
WHY do you print this rubbish giving oxygen to these crackpots/comedians?
I don’t get it.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
To expose their thinking. Too many people are still under the illusion that islam contributed a lot to science, especially in the medieval era
somehistory says
he’s a “scholar,” and a “professor” at a college in Berkeley. That gives him status in today’s insane society. This posting exposes just how little his “status” means, and how wrong about everything “islamic scholars’ are.
gravenimage says
Victor, this exposes the Islamic mindset.
Mark Spahn says
Dr. Ali Ataie, who is an Islamic scholar and a professor at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaytuna_College
(which was founded in 1996), says, “for 2000 years people are [have been] ridiculing the Muslims.”
For 2000 years? Who were these pre-Muhammad Muslims?
Dr. Ali is breaking new ground in Muslim scholarship.
gravenimage says
+1
FYI says
Could someone tell the muslims to ask allah to explain why he misunderstands where babies come from?
koran 86;6-7*That”d be great.
And when was the moon split in two?That must have some miracle.How come rest of the world missed it?
“The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain”
koran 54:1
But you can’t argue with that as “it is written”.
I’m ok with actual science.I’m ok with the Biblical too so..
Biblical God AND science
but not allah AND science[allah is NOT the Biblical God and doesn’t understand science}
In fact it has to be allah OR science..
* or as i call it “oh no allah!That’s not where babies come from.
alexreid says
There are 2 crackers on youtube re this. 1) Iraqi TV Debate – Is the Earth Flat? 2 SCIENTISTS, both Iraqis, one has a book he bought art NASA, the other like this fella, going into an apolaclyptic tirade saying it’s flat because Mohammed said so in the Quran! He’s hysterical!
2) The Flat Earth of Ibn Baz. He was Saudi Arabia’s TOP Islamic Scholar. He met Saudi’s 1st. Astronaut. Nasa took him up to the International Space Station. He told Ibn Baz what he saw. Not long after that Ibn Baz died.
Wonder if this news had any effect on him?
Islamic Scholars try to deceive by saying the Earth is like an Ostrich Egg. In the actual Arabic it describes the Earth as the shape of an Ostrich Nest. This looks like a shallow wok. Dr Zakir Naik is a favourite of this. He’s still very much wrong.
An Ostrich Egg = a Prolate Spheroid; &
The Earth is an Oblate Spheroid.
FYI says
allah’s star wars program
“And verily WE have beautified the world’d heavens with lamps and we have made them missiles for the devils”
Koran 67:5
A star[LAMP} is a missile that allah is firing at the devils.
Some pretty big LAMP out there.And it seems he doesn’t understand where light actually comes from{Stellar Nucleosynthesis}
Either our understanding of Astronomy and Biology is wrong or it is the koran.I am with Science.
OLD GUY says
And they call him a scholar. Have any of these flat earth idiots ever been up in an airplane?
FYI says
Apparently Zakir Naik is saying that the koran is AHEAD of Science.
islamic scholars might like to know that ..
There is a BLACK HOLE in koran 98:6 which sucks all the love out of the universe by violating the Golden Rule and the 2nd chief commandment
There is a WHITE DWARF named muhammed and a companion star Buraq{koran 17:1} in the Abu Dawud 40:4731 system{“the LAMP”}
Luckily there is a WORMHOLE in koran 10:94 out of allah’s cold dark loveless universe to a better universe where the ex-muslims and the infidels live.See ya There!
mohdzahr says
This shows ola is an non scientific and ass hole
Rarely says
Contrary to common belief islam did not invent idiocy and ignorance — it just perfected them.
It’s bad enough that this jerk asserts this garbage but he’s been given a “Doctor” title, a college professorship and a platform to spread it. Shameless.
Hank says
The good thing about his statements are that it clearly proves that the Quran and its Hadith’s are deceiving and misleading doctrines and that Mr Mo is a false prophet.
Haruna garba says
Quran 39:5 says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere).
The Arabic word “Kura” means ball; its verb “Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ” means to make into a ball. There are better people to interpret the Qur’an not the type you have found on YouTube. It is easy to find people you share common bias with to believe you. They are people similar to that novice Imam you are quoting for them.
gravenimage says
This is claptrap. Here is the Qur’anic Arabic Corpus, with seven of the most canonical English translations of Qur’an 39:5:
Sahih International: He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.
Pickthall: He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He maketh night to succeed day, and He maketh day to succeed night, and He constraineth the sun and the moon to give service, each running on for an appointed term. Is not He the Mighty, the Forgiver?
Yusuf Ali: He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power – He Who forgives again and again?
Shakir: He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day and makes the day overtake the night, and He has made the sun and the moon subservient; each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver.
Muhammad Sarwar: He has created the heavens and the earth for a genuine purpose. He covers the night with the day and the day with the night and has subdued the sun and the moon, each of which floats for an appointed time. God is certainly Majestic and All-Forgiving.
Mohsin Khan: He has created the heavens and the earth with truth. He makes the night to go in the day and makes the day to go in the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon. Each running (on a fixed course) for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.
Arberry: He created the heavens and the earth in truth, wrapping night about the day, and wrapping the day about the night; and He has subjected the sun and the moon, each of them running to a stated term. Is not He the All-mighty, the All-forgiving?
https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=39&verse=5
Not a single one of these scholarly translations mentions earth being a sphere.
Then, if Haruna garba were *really* concerned about Islamic interpretation of these Qur’anic verses, surely he would take it up with Islamic scholars like Dr. Ali Ataie, and not just the Infidels at Jihad Watch.
Then, he refers to Doctor Ali Ataie as a “novice Imam”–but he is a professor at the Graduate Theological Union, and has a PhD in Religion. No novice he, as Haruna garba pretends.
Then this is hardly unique to Araie–many modern Islamic scholars have said similar things, based on the teachings of the Qur’an. Saudi scholar Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari has claimed that the earth does not rotate.
Peter Carroll says
FAIL. There is no way the Earth can be flat. If it were, cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now!
Clifford Fodor says
California: Islamic scholar says ‘if the Quran says that the Earth is flat, then it has to be flat’
And if the Koran says you have to fly a plane into the World Trade Center, you have to do that.
bill says
How can the moon travel around the earth if the earth is flat and where is the edge anyway?
All the other bodies, planets moons etc.in the solar sytem are round so why would the earth be different
because an ignaramus like Mohamma said so?
Kepha (何矶法) says
Kepha here–Christian “fundie”, Copernican, Eratosthanesian, and recntly off a plane from the Far East (his second home):
Why is this even newsworthy? Is our MSM so steeped in its mythology of a benign, tolerant, science-honoring Islam that it misses out how Qur’an 18:6 reports that Dhul Qarnayn saw the sun setting in a murky pool far in the west? Given that Dhul Qarnayn is identified with Alexander the Great, whose conquests and tracels took him eastward from his Macedonian home shouldn’t we expect an Islamic scholar to be a bit muddle-headed about certain things?
But, even if I am a Copernican and Eratosthenian in my cosmography, don’t be too hard on the geocentrists and flat earthers. They were and are thorough-going empiricists, trusting what their eyes can see. It’s just that they haven’t taken in all the data yet. Further, for practical purposes, our Evclidian geometry acts as if the earth is flat, and does not account from the subtle curvature of the earth when it performs its fundamental task of measuring out land.
ID slightly changed to let you know I’ve been traveling.
gravenimage says
Actually, Kepha, as other posters have noted, you can see the curvature of the earth with your own eyes.
Then, it is not beyond the reach of many to fly around the world. One need not go into space to personally confirm the spherical earth.
gravenimage says
Note that Ataie is a professor at Zaytuna College, often touted as the first Islamic University in the United States. Another indication of the caliber of Islamic education.