Let the arms cease. Stop, brothers and sisters: war is always a defeat — always, always!
— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) October 29, 2023
Whenever Israel starts to defend itself, we start to hear this sort of shallow moralizing. Would Pope Francis have been fine with a National Socialist regime dominating Europe? Maybe so. But what leftists generally hate is when the Jewish state defends itself against the jihad that would destroy it. War in other contexts, such as Ukraine defending itself against Russia, is not so bad, as far as they are concerned.
SKA says
Someone once said how many non-Jews just seem “to love dead Jews.”
Hoi Polloi says
Where was he with this biz before palis raped, massacred, and beheaded Israelis? Where is he ever, with actual Christian brothers and sisters (I don’t consider pedophile worshipers to be brothers and sisters), who have the blades of muslims at their necks?
Ernie says
Well Hoi Polloi , he would probably be Kissing the “kor’an”, while visiting Erdogan in Turkey or visiting Al-Azhar University in Cairo , after fleeing through the tunnelsystem of Vatican City .
Peacelover says
What would he be saying if the Vatican was being attacked?
James Lincoln says
The way that the world is going, Peacelover, we may find out sooner than we think…
Ernie says
He would convert .
Ernie says
And so he would recite the shahadah Peacelover .
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Well, didn’t the Vatican come into sovereign existence during Il Duce? Otherwise, it was always a part of Rome. So the pope probably would be fine w/ Mussolini’s regime still being in place in Italy
Wellington says
Not exactly. The Papal States had sovereign existence back to the time of Pepin the Short and Charlemagne. With the Risorgimento in 19th-century Italy the Papal States were gobbled up by 1870 and Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius X and Benedict XV made themselves “prisoners in the Vatican” in protest against the annexation by the new Kingdom of Italy of the Papal States. Pius XI (1922-1939) realized that this approach was a futile one and so in 1929 with the Lateran Treaty he made a deal with Mussolini’s Italy that a tiny remnant of the Papal States, Vatican City, only about 110 acres, would be recognized as an independent country (still technically the smallest country on Earth with Monaco coming in 2nd here at about 350 acres) and a cash settlement was involved too. The Lateran Treaty remains in force to this day but thankfully Mussolini’s Italy is long gone.
William David Pappas says
The walls around the Vatican were necessitated after the pope at the time narrowly escaped Muslim Jihadi Marauders.. maybe the pope should get rid of the walls to show his faith
Peacelover says
‘maybe the pope should get rid of the walls to show his faith’;….good one
Wellington says
This miserable excuse for a Pope has, to my knowledge, never condemned any Muslim wrongdoing, past or present. Thus, in his own way, Francis I is effectively a traitor to the Roman Catholic Church.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Yes, the Marxist / globalist / muslim-apologist Pope is – indeed – a traitor to the Catholic Church.
And is a “CINO” Christian in name only.
Tragically, some Catholics still listen to him.
somehistory says
How dare he call the Jews “his brothers and sisters.” It’s so very easy to see that he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, a false prophet, a son of satan doing his father’s desires.
In the Bible, the Jews, or Israelites as Scripture calls them. had to fight a lot of wars…to keep from being overrun and eliminated by the nations around them. The Canaanites, philistines, Hivites, Moabites, Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians….and those wars they fought were not a “defeat.”
Sometimes, self-defense is necessary if one wishes to keep living.
How much attention has he given to the Christians being slaughtered in Africa? Not a word about the evil, the wrongs…not even a bit of sympathy for the dead and dying.
Instead, he calls on Christians to “welcome” mozlums as if they are all Messiahs, all Christs, all just wanting to befriend us and live as we live; and when Christians express their feelings of fear of islam, or dislike of islam, and don’t “welcome” those who wish only to commit rape and murder, this evil charlatan rebukes, criticizes, denounces, the Christians and lies about how Jesus feels about them.
This false shepherd, this evil creature, will get his. He will be asking the rocks to fall on him, to hide him from “the wrath of the Lamb.”
tim gallagher says
What an idiot this man is. So war is always defeat, eh. You mean when in World War II the democratic, civilised nations went to war and defeated Hitler and his Nazi scum. That was a great and necessary achievement and a great victory. Pacifist idiots like this Pope would have refused to fight and let Hitler take over the world because war is always defeat.. To my mind, the fight against evil, barbaric islam is a necessary fight and it has to be won. Satanically evil islam and its vicious, evil followers need to be defeated and it is not going to be achieved by attitudes like those of this pathetic Pope. Of course, the main thing to do is stop letting Muslims into any non-Muslim countries. islam is so evil and hate-filled that it deserves to be banned altogether and yet this Pope and many other idiots are so foolish that they keep praising the vile religious ideology.
Peacelover says
+
tim gallagher says
Thanks, Peacelover. Of course, a peaceful life would be great, but wouldn’t the vicious Muslims just love it if they were only facing a bunch of pacifists.The pacifists would be like lambs to the slaughter. This Pope is an idiot. So many times wars have been necessary to defeat a violent, barbaric enemy such as Hitler or Muslims when they were thrown out of Europe centuries ago, also the Americans getting their independence from England… How I would love to see islam and its followers smashed instead of all this stupid support they get from so many idiots, including this present Pope. Christians are constantly being murdered by Muslims in Africa and this Pope won’t call out islam as the evil things that it is. Truly pathetic.
Christopher Watson says
Those who ask for cease fires, restraint, deliveries of water, medicines and food should be ignored as that will only prolong the fighting and give hope to the evil people who start wars. The Palestinians have been trying to kill Israelis and destroy the Jewish state ever since it was formed by Britain in 1947. It was voted for by the League of Nations, a democratic body, after the Second World War to right an historic wrong. The Jews have had a homeland in the middle-east for 5000 years. There are archaeological remains, graves, tombs and temples, proving the Jews had the land. The Arabs, who now claim it, were always nomads who never stayed long enough anywhere to settle and make permanent homes.
To beat an enemy, it is not only necessary to win a few battles but to win so decisively that all traces of the enemy ideology is excised. Germany and Japan were so convincingly beaten that all traces of the Nazi philosophy was erased from the German mind. The Imperial Japanese philosophy was also comprehensively defeated and the Japanese are now the most peaceful people on earth.
It should also be remembered that after WW2 the Germans and the Japanese were given a great deal of money to help their economies and help build their industrial bases. England and France received nothing.
There should be no cease fires: they merely give the enemy more time to acquire more weapons and food to continue the fight and to cause more damage. What is more it shows that we are willing to give up; to prove we are weak. Biden has shown time and time again that he will not only give up the fight but he will give the enemy the means to defeat America and its allies. He is constantly giving Iran the means to attack and cause Israel harm.
Netanyahu has said he wishes to wipe Hamas off the face of the earth. He is going the right way about it. If the wimps in many countries have their way the Hamas animals will continue to kill their own people and make life difficult for Israel for many years. It seems very strange that most of the middle-east is still ruled by dictators.
Churchill said (excuse me if I misquote) that democracy was not perfect but it was still better than fascism. Dictatorships are always failures; yet the middle-east is ruled by dictatorships. This proves just how stupid the middle-east is. If they had no oil, they would still be herding goats. Saudi Arabia still had slavery till the 1960s. The Arabs are generally not very intelligent. Most of the ‘refugees’ we have in Europe are unemployable. Their social habits and rules are pre-historic – child marriage, using boys as sex toys, putting girls and women in black sacks, treatment of women, lying as a matter of course and many more. When Saudi Arabia was threatened by Saddam Husain it had to ask the United States for help.
Perhaps the ordinary Gazans should be asked a simple question: Why are you living in abject poverty in a failed state doing the bidding of your leaders, killing people who have done you no harm, who give you electricity, water and who give you the means to live. While your leaders receive millions and billions of dollars, which, by the way, is legally yours, yet live in luxury in Qatar and Switzerland, spending all YOUR money on fine food, jewellery, luxury cars, spending time on private aircraft and in beautiful homes, who are still your leaders despite being elected for 12 months in 2009. Please tell me, WHO is stupid?
tim gallagher says
Very good summary of the situation, Christopher. Like you, I hope that Israel does the right thing, despite all the whingeing and whining, and absolutely annihilates hamas. AS you mention, it was how Germany and Japan were dealt with and it helped destroy the fascist ideologies. I agree with you about the Muslims of the Middle East. Without the sheer luck of having oil wealth, they’d be backward goat herders. islam will do that to any people. Primitive and evil garbage that it is. islam wants to drag the entire human race back to living the life that people in 7th century Arabia lived.
James Lincoln says
Excellent exchange, Christopher and tim.
somehistory says
Even john fetterman disagrees with the pope
“John Fetterman Confronted by Pro-Palestinian Protester in Viral Video”
“”I grieve for every innocent person and brave Israeli soldier killed since Hamas started this war. If not for the horrific attacks by Hamas terrorists, thousands of innocent Israelis and Palestinians would still be alive today..
He added: “Now is not the time to talk about a ceasefire. We must support Israel in their efforts to eliminate the Hamas terrorists who slaughtered innocent men, women, and children. Hamas does not want peace, they want to destroy Israel. We can talk about a ceasefire after Hamas is neutralized.”
The “professor” who says he “took on” fetterman, lies so easily.
“”Ten thousand people in Gaza have been killed, half are children. The pope is calling for a ceasefire, the UN has called for it,” Kovalik said.”
” latest report by The Associated Press, the Palestinian death toll now exceeds 8,000, as per the Health Ministry in Gaza”
And even that number could be inflated….and if true, it still can be as fetterman said…laid on the bloody hands of hamas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/john-fetterman-confronted-by-pro-palestinian-protester-in-viral-video/ar-AA1j4ZvY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=04f702148da04965b30956480022a2a0&ei=42
James Lincoln says
somehistory,
John Fetterman pleasantly surprised me on this one.
I didn’t really expect it.
somehistory says
He’s using *reason* James. And he knows that hamas only wants Israel eliminated and all Jews dead.
Unlike many others.
It was a surprise to me, too.
nicholas tesdorf says
After that statement, the Pope should now retire immediately and retreat permanently to Castel Gandolfo
tgusa says
Was it a defeat when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? It would be great if this cross dressing pope shut up and tended to his flock. You do know who your flock is dont you Mr pope. Seems like biden isn’t the only prominent person without a brain out there.
James Lincoln says
Germans?
tgusa says
“Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”
Bluto (Animal House)
I hear he is now a tenured professor and he also advises the pope on critical global issues.
James Lincoln says
Yes, tgusa.
I remember that line from the movie…
Will Anderson says
I anticipate he was being facetious, taking a line out of the classic film, “Animal House”.
somehistory says
I have really weird, strange dreams about all sorts of things. For most of them, I have no idea why.
Last night, was no exception.
I dreamed that a corpse was discovered to have been stuffed in a post in a mine in Argentina. The alleged murderer, perpetrator, was said to be this guy, when he was much younger, before leaving that country to become the pope.
It was so real that when I first woke, I had to wonder if he had ever done such a thing.
This creature is evil. Maybe not having done what I dreamed, but certainly evil in his supprt of islam.