Should be the same, it will be interesting to see what happens, give how scared they are of the Muslims. Maybe they will make away for Muslims – we shall see
Leaving the religious prayers aside, they are essentially the same.
Islam made strenuous efforts to appear as a Talmud descendent and was rejected by Jews as a copycat fabricator. Yes, Islam borrowed Halal from Judaism. During the consolidation and adjustment of the Quran, the “scholars” made certain that Jews would be quoted as the eternal enemy by its newly-minted diety, and therefore, an enemy of Muslims.
Without disputing what you said, it is pretty clear that the dietary laws for both the Jews and Muslims came from the Nabataeans. If you remember the Bible, Abraham was a Nabataean before he left to start another religion. According to documents that were written at the time, Islam started as a doomsday cult of Arianists. When the end of the world did not come, they became mostly Nabataean (Quran, mosques, pilgrimages, diet, etc.) with a few things left over from Arianism.
I read recently from Jewish readers that in Shibboleth (which is the equivalent of halal as far as slaughter goes), the animal is stunned before it’s slaughtered. Whereas in Islam, that’s not allowed. Jewish norms were adjusted for modern sensibilities, but Muslims norms can’t be. Yeah, it would be fascinating to know whether the EU would crack down on halal slaughter as well
In the meantime, does this mean that Jews will effectively have to either go non-Kosher if they’re non-vegetarian, or go vegetarian if they wanna remain Kosher? Maybe those “impossible meats” are their answer
I disagree, slaughter by kashrut is painless, the blood (which Jews believe is the essence of life) is drained from the animal. This is done by a trained shochet, who then inspects the meat to ensure it is kosher and fit to eat. Halal is much different, there is no prohibition against an animal feeling pain. There are videos of Halal slaughter of bovines with continued hacks to the necks. The animals feel the pain and cry out, not so in kosher slaughter.
Kosher & halal are NOT similar! Kosher is done with respect & in a way that is the least traumatic to the animal.
Muslims kill halal in the most inhumane, evil ways possible, and they devote the meat to their demonic, pagan god as they do it! It’s meat that is consecrated to SATAN. Please do some research. Of course halal has not been stopped. These fools just devised a way to remove all Jews from the EU while prostrating themselves before the demonic muslims. DISGUSTING.
Yes Joyce, islam is satanic and they want the animals to feel pain when they are being slaughtered.
What I find extremely annoying is, many people are now eating halal and they are completely unaware of it. If you don’t want to eat meat that has been blessed with a prayer to satan, start with avoiding meat from New Zealand, as it’s all halal.
I Know it’s allowed in the U.K. Big Dude. It’s now given to patients in many of our hospital, and it’s also given to children in many of our schools.
Which is a gross infringement on our human rights, as neither the patients or the children are informed the meat they’re eating is halal.
I Know it’s allowed in the U.K. Big Dude. It’s now given to patients in many of our hospital, and it’s also given to children in many of our schools.
Which is a gross infringement on our human rights, as neither the patients or the children are informed the meat they’re eating is halal.
I really don’t know the answer. How does Kosher slaughter differ from Halal slaughter by Muslims/ Is that practice next? Jews have survived 3700 years by being able to adapt to oppression.
I understand it concerns halal and Kosher slaughter in Belgium because it is un-stunned slaughter . The regulation is set up because of animal welfare ( and not to pester the Jewish community ). Will it make Jewish life in Belgium less enjoyable /more difficult ? Yes ! “Effectively declaring Judaism illegal in European Union” is an exaggerated allegation in my eyes . You can import Kosher meat as much as you want as far as I know……
Not really Brenrod . In my country ( the Netherlands) shechita is practiced , no problems here , and I expect no problems in the future . We are a neighbour country of Belgium …. In the Schengen countries there is free movement of persons and goods .
Am a Jew in messiah yahshua but keep kosher by genesis rules given by God to humanity before Jews existed and binding on all people. Problem is genesis kosher is valid and required even by Christians as they are people, but rabbi kosher goes beyond genesis kosher and is not valid. Cruelty to animals is forbidden by God meaning no animal research and testing allowed and no rabbi method of animal slaughter allowed as Jewish and Moslem slaughter methods do violate Torah of God.
I suspect that in Europe as animal research continues and beastiality is legal in some European countries that this ban on kosher is actually anti Jewish motivation.
Dear Stive , can you explain to me what keeping kosher “by genesis rules given by God to humanity before Jews existed and binding on all people ” means ?Is it according to Noahide Law ? Is it vegetarian only ?
halal slaughter allows pre-stunning whereas Jewish kosher does not. I am fully in favour of the ban on shechita in the attempt to minimise the pain, if only physical, for the animal. The reason for Jewish non permission for stunning is that that could cause a blood clot and render the animal ” unclean ” for human consumption, which as far as I am concerned, ” too bad “, all slaughter is bad enough, so let’s reduce the suffering for the animal as much as possible. The risk of a blood clot is not too high a price in comparison for humans to undertake..
Stun guns are painful too. Are you suggesting we all ought to become vegetarians, stop raising animals for slaughter, keeping the dear old besties until they die of old age (and no procreating them either), and let all our animal meat besties become extinct? Please answer, I am genuinely curious.
” Deze MN bee says” , I think he really means “bestiality”. I looked it up , and horror of horrors : Hungary , Finland and Romania are now the only EU countries where bestiality or zoophilia is legal .
Me too, but I have a feeling that it will only be Kosher slaughter that the EU will ban. If they ban Halal there will mass riots all over Europe, can’t
have that can we?
Donkey’s years ago the Rabbis in various Communities across Europe put the word out that where there is a difference in their Laws & their host country, the Host’s Country’s Law Applies. That is the Law!
Obviously does not apply to Islam & Muslims. I wonder why?
A few months ago in 1923, in the city of Bradford, England, (a very high %age Muslim Population), a middle-aged Muslim walked FREE from the Court after being found Guilty & he pleaded Guilty of n numerous accounts of, “Kiddy Porn” & Bestiality!
His nephew, a serving Police Officer,, from the Witness Box, under Oath, said he was a role model & of exemplary conduct for the young Male Members of the Family!
Halal and Kosher must be banned in UK as well, this is progress
Nothing to do with Judaism or Islam
UK must copy this FAST
I don’t favour the EU generally but on this occasion I salute the EU Court getting rid of this out of place customs in the XXI century.
David says
A quick read on kosher and halal slaughter suggests they are very similar.
Has a ban also been placed on halal slaughter?
tony wilson says
Should be the same, it will be interesting to see what happens, give how scared they are of the Muslims. Maybe they will make away for Muslims – we shall see
Ernie says
It concerns both : and halal and Kosher slaughter .
Ade Fegan says
Thanks Ernie
One will be enforced I expect !
Westman says
Leaving the religious prayers aside, they are essentially the same.
Islam made strenuous efforts to appear as a Talmud descendent and was rejected by Jews as a copycat fabricator. Yes, Islam borrowed Halal from Judaism. During the consolidation and adjustment of the Quran, the “scholars” made certain that Jews would be quoted as the eternal enemy by its newly-minted diety, and therefore, an enemy of Muslims.
Joe says
Without disputing what you said, it is pretty clear that the dietary laws for both the Jews and Muslims came from the Nabataeans. If you remember the Bible, Abraham was a Nabataean before he left to start another religion. According to documents that were written at the time, Islam started as a doomsday cult of Arianists. When the end of the world did not come, they became mostly Nabataean (Quran, mosques, pilgrimages, diet, etc.) with a few things left over from Arianism.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I read recently from Jewish readers that in Shibboleth (which is the equivalent of halal as far as slaughter goes), the animal is stunned before it’s slaughtered. Whereas in Islam, that’s not allowed. Jewish norms were adjusted for modern sensibilities, but Muslims norms can’t be. Yeah, it would be fascinating to know whether the EU would crack down on halal slaughter as well
In the meantime, does this mean that Jews will effectively have to either go non-Kosher if they’re non-vegetarian, or go vegetarian if they wanna remain Kosher? Maybe those “impossible meats” are their answer
Bexarkat says
I disagree, slaughter by kashrut is painless, the blood (which Jews believe is the essence of life) is drained from the animal. This is done by a trained shochet, who then inspects the meat to ensure it is kosher and fit to eat. Halal is much different, there is no prohibition against an animal feeling pain. There are videos of Halal slaughter of bovines with continued hacks to the necks. The animals feel the pain and cry out, not so in kosher slaughter.
ME Infidel says
Correct.
From The Other Side of Town says
Very good question.
joyce says
Kosher & halal are NOT similar! Kosher is done with respect & in a way that is the least traumatic to the animal.
Muslims kill halal in the most inhumane, evil ways possible, and they devote the meat to their demonic, pagan god as they do it! It’s meat that is consecrated to SATAN. Please do some research. Of course halal has not been stopped. These fools just devised a way to remove all Jews from the EU while prostrating themselves before the demonic muslims. DISGUSTING.
John Smith says
Yes Joyce, islam is satanic and they want the animals to feel pain when they are being slaughtered.
What I find extremely annoying is, many people are now eating halal and they are completely unaware of it. If you don’t want to eat meat that has been blessed with a prayer to satan, start with avoiding meat from New Zealand, as it’s all halal.
Big Dude says
Is halal allowed
John Smith says
I Know it’s allowed in the U.K. Big Dude. It’s now given to patients in many of our hospital, and it’s also given to children in many of our schools.
Which is a gross infringement on our human rights, as neither the patients or the children are informed the meat they’re eating is halal.
John Smith says
I Know it’s allowed in the U.K. Big Dude. It’s now given to patients in many of our hospital, and it’s also given to children in many of our schools.
Which is a gross infringement on our human rights, as neither the patients or the children are informed the meat they’re eating is halal.
Frank Anderson says
I really don’t know the answer. How does Kosher slaughter differ from Halal slaughter by Muslims/ Is that practice next? Jews have survived 3700 years by being able to adapt to oppression.
Ernie says
I understand it concerns halal and Kosher slaughter in Belgium because it is un-stunned slaughter . The regulation is set up because of animal welfare ( and not to pester the Jewish community ). Will it make Jewish life in Belgium less enjoyable /more difficult ? Yes ! “Effectively declaring Judaism illegal in European Union” is an exaggerated allegation in my eyes . You can import Kosher meat as much as you want as far as I know……
brenrod says
Effectively a tax on the Jews similar to jizya
Ernie says
Not really Brenrod . In my country ( the Netherlands) shechita is practiced , no problems here , and I expect no problems in the future . We are a neighbour country of Belgium …. In the Schengen countries there is free movement of persons and goods .
Stive says
Am a Jew in messiah yahshua but keep kosher by genesis rules given by God to humanity before Jews existed and binding on all people. Problem is genesis kosher is valid and required even by Christians as they are people, but rabbi kosher goes beyond genesis kosher and is not valid. Cruelty to animals is forbidden by God meaning no animal research and testing allowed and no rabbi method of animal slaughter allowed as Jewish and Moslem slaughter methods do violate Torah of God.
I suspect that in Europe as animal research continues and beastiality is legal in some European countries that this ban on kosher is actually anti Jewish motivation.
Ernie says
Dear Stive , can you explain to me what keeping kosher “by genesis rules given by God to humanity before Jews existed and binding on all people ” means ?Is it according to Noahide Law ? Is it vegetarian only ?
brenrod says
“Am a Jew in messiah yahshua”
Is that the same as Jews for Jesus?
Ernie says
No Brenrod . The name “Yahshua” doesn’t exist , is made up . Yeshua or Yehoshua is the correct original name of “Jesus”and used by Jews for Jesus .
Helen says
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Tony Rice says
halal slaughter allows pre-stunning whereas Jewish kosher does not. I am fully in favour of the ban on shechita in the attempt to minimise the pain, if only physical, for the animal. The reason for Jewish non permission for stunning is that that could cause a blood clot and render the animal ” unclean ” for human consumption, which as far as I am concerned, ” too bad “, all slaughter is bad enough, so let’s reduce the suffering for the animal as much as possible. The risk of a blood clot is not too high a price in comparison for humans to undertake..
From The Other Side of Town says
Stun guns are painful too. Are you suggesting we all ought to become vegetarians, stop raising animals for slaughter, keeping the dear old besties until they die of old age (and no procreating them either), and let all our animal meat besties become extinct? Please answer, I am genuinely curious.
deze MN bee says
What do you mean by “beastiality”?
You surely don’t mean “bestiality” ?
Ernie says
” Deze MN bee says” , I think he really means “bestiality”. I looked it up , and horror of horrors : Hungary , Finland and Romania are now the only EU countries where bestiality or zoophilia is legal .
Ade Fegan says
As long as halal goes the same way, I’m good with that
Tatanka says
I agree.
Siddi Nasrani says
Me too, but I have a feeling that it will only be Kosher slaughter that the EU will ban. If they ban Halal there will mass riots all over Europe, can’t
have that can we?
alexreid says
Donkey’s years ago the Rabbis in various Communities across Europe put the word out that where there is a difference in their Laws & their host country, the Host’s Country’s Law Applies. That is the Law!
Obviously does not apply to Islam & Muslims. I wonder why?
A few months ago in 1923, in the city of Bradford, England, (a very high %age Muslim Population), a middle-aged Muslim walked FREE from the Court after being found Guilty & he pleaded Guilty of n numerous accounts of, “Kiddy Porn” & Bestiality!
His nephew, a serving Police Officer,, from the Witness Box, under Oath, said he was a role model & of exemplary conduct for the young Male Members of the Family!
You cannot make this this stuff up!!.
davidafoot says
Halal and Kosher must be banned in UK as well, this is progress
Nothing to do with Judaism or Islam
UK must copy this FAST
I don’t favour the EU generally but on this occasion I salute the EU Court getting rid of this out of place customs in the XXI century.
Michael V. Wilson says
God is using the evil men do to draw all Jews back to Israel in preparation for the End Times.