Lord, what fools these Infidels be. My comments are below; I’m quoted in the article:
“Italian diocese urges Catholics to join Muslims for prayers and meals in Ramadan,” by Jules Gomes, Catholic Herald, March 8, 2024:
An Italian diocese is instructing its priests to participate in Islamic rituals, citing Pope Francis’ directives on interreligious dialogue.
The Diocese of Bergamo issued a communiqué on Monday urging priests to seek out opportunities for interreligious dialogue during the “holy month” of Ramadan by invite the faithful to join in praying with Muslims and joining in the Iftar ritual meal.
The letter from the northern Italian diocese asks the faithful to pray for “a continuous realisation of all the dimensions that make up humanity desired by the Creator” and for “continuous growth in the dialogue between peoples and different faiths.”
Fr Massimo Rizzi, director of the diocese’s Office for Interreligious Dialogue who signed the directive, upset local Catholics for dating the letter according to the Islamic calendar (23 Sha’ban 1445)….
In comments to the Catholic Herald, Islamic scholar Robert Spencer explained that “the idea of Ramadan providing a possibility of outreach to Muslims is a tragicomic display of the failures and inherent limitations of the ‘dialogue’ imperative”.
Spencer, author of over 23 books on Islam and the Middle East, said: “Ramadan is a month in which Muslims are to redouble their efforts to please Allah.
“The highest form of service to Allah, according to Muhammad, is jihad, which principally involves warfare against unbelievers.
“Every Ramadan, therefore, we see an increase in jihad attacks. The idea that this is a time to seek friendship and cooperation with Muslims is laughably naive and demonstrates abject ignorance of Islam.”
Responding to the diocesan letter’s plea for dialogue in the hope of resolving the Middle East crisis, Spencer pointed out that the Vatican has failed to address the clause in Hamas’ charter that threatens genocide against Israel.
In its preamble, the Hamas charter states, “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it”….
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Had I been Italian, I’d have apostatized from the Catholic Church and started exploring the Ancient Roman pantheon and start worshiping the appropriate deities. Right now, the Catholic Church is an albatross over Italians, as well as other Catholic nations in Europe – Spain, France, Belgium, Austria, Ireland, et al
Jennifer U Anaya says
I’m not a Catholic but DO NOT COMPLY. They have sworn to kill us all for not converting.
Siddi Nasrani says
Fr Massimo Rizzi, have you been drinking too much Communion wine?
What pills are you popping ? Stop smoking the Weed. Stop sniffing the Glue.
In the name of Jesus do you know what you are talking about ?
You are off your head if you believe what you written about Catholics & Muslims concerning Ramadan.
Get a grip & a take a long break to have a rethink, do some home work.
SC says
Popey boy has sold you out folks. Time to cancel every cent you donate or tithe to the church until all of the cardinals and the pope are replaced.
GE says
Balls. We don’t worship the same God, outreach is all one way, and it doesn’t do any good.
Byzantine (Eastern Rite) Catholic here, and I ain’t doing it. No way!
࿗Infidel࿘ says
What is the difference b/w Eastern Rite Catholic vs Greek Orthodox? I thought the Byzantines were the latter
Troybeam says
Muslims do not worship God, it’s Mohammed they worship because they always state “peace be upon him”
GE says
Hi Infidel,
Our Liturgy is almost identical to the
Orthodox. There are other rites within the eastern rite, but mine is Byzantine. We recognize the Pope as head of the Catholic Church, but he has no governance over us. We have our own hierarchy, Bishops, etc. There are only 500,000 of us in the US, and most of our churches are on the east and west coasts.
We are more conservative (at least at my church) than the Roman rite.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
GE
Thanks for the explanation. So the only difference as I see it is that the Eastern Rite Catholic recognize the Pope as being the head of the Catholic Church, whereas for the Orthodox, the Pope is a complete non-entity?
Michael J. Casmer says
We pray for the Pope during the liturgy, the Orothadox do not
Pray Hard says
No.
somehistory says
First of all, even without consulting Jesus or His Apostles, “dialogue” means to talk. or to have a ***conversation.*** Not **conversion.** Big difference.
Secondly, and most important is what Jesus Christ, the Lord of Christians, said about not ‘throwing pearls before swine, nor giving what is holy to dogs.’
The Apostle Paul made it clear when he wrote to the congregation of Christians in Corinth, “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons (!0:21)”
1Corinthians 5:11 AMP
“But actually, I have written to you not to associate with any so-called [Christian] brother if he is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater [devoted to anything that takes the place of God], or is a reviler [who insults or slanders or otherwise verbally abuses others], or is a drunkard or a swindler—you must not so much as eat with such a person.”
The verse here even **includes** those claiming to be Christian, so how much more those who are mozlum and dedicated to the false god and fake prophet and use a book of demon filth to lie about Jesus Christ and His disciples, and engage in rape at every opportunity.
And the Apostle John wrote at 2John 1:10
“New Living Translation
If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.
English Standard Version
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,”
This Catholic idiot would not be welcome at my house. He and his ‘pope’ do not bring nor “teach the Truth about Christ.” Both of them seem to prefer the false god of islam and are misleading others into false worship.
As a reference, note what a prophet of the Jews had to say to one who invited him to stay and eat, in opposition to the instructions given by God. And what transpired after that.
“1 Kings 13:16 16 The man of God said, “I cannot turn back and go with you, nor can I eat bread or drink water with you in this place. 17 I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’”
18 The old prophet answered, “I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the Lord: ‘Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.’” (But he was lying to him.) 19 So the man of God returned with him and ate and drank in his house.
20 While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back. 21 He cried out to the man of God who had come from Judah, “This is what the Lord says: ‘You have defied the word of the Lord and have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you. 22 You came back and ate bread and drank water in the place where he told you not to eat or drink. Therefore your body will not be buried in the tomb of your ancestors.’”
23 When the man of God had finished eating and drinking, the prophet who had brought him back saddled his donkey for him. 24 As he went on his way, a lion met him on the road and killed him, and his body was left lying on the road, with both the donkey and the lion standing beside it. 25 Some people who passed by saw the body lying there, with the lion standing beside the body, and they went and reported it in the city where the old prophet lived.
26 When the prophet who had brought him back from his journey heard of it, he said, “It is the man of God who defied the word of the Lord. The Lord has given him over to the lion, which has mauled him and killed him, as the word of the Lord had warned him.”
The pope and those over whom he has his religion’s authority should take note.
James Lincoln says
A wonderful post, somehistory.
Thank you.
somehistory says
Thank you, James
GE says
Hi somehistory, There are bishops, cardinals, and lay people who don’t question the Pope, or what I call “woke Catholicism”. It’s baffling to me.
And politicians like Biden and Pelosi are apostate Catholics imo.
Biden even stated that if he wins another term, he’ll make Roe v Wade the law of the land again. So much for being pro-life.
somehistory says
Thank you, GE, for your comment. I know there must be many like you who stay faithful to the teachings of Christ, whether or not the ‘leaders’ do.
Jesus said He is the “Way” and Paul said that others could “imitate him” as he “imitate(d) Christ.”
If a ‘leader’ does not “imitate Christ,” then he can’t really claim to be Christian. Not honestly so.
tim gallagher says
In the Koran, the Muslim instruction book, Muslims are told to kill the non-believers, (pretty sure that includes Christians of the Catholic variety) so this idea of trying to get along with such a vicious enemy is insane. I see Christianity and islam as being complete opposites and a religion that is as evil as islam needs to be called out constantly as the evil, barbaric belief system that it is. IT is waste of time trying to get along with the Muslim enemy. If they ever build their numbers up then they will go on the attack against all non-Muslims, which is all that Muslims have ever done. Living peacefully with non-Muslims is not on the Muslim agenda at all, never has been and never will be.
somehistory says
Well, said, Tim, and all True.
Having been built on lies, islam is directly opposed to Truth, while Christianity was built on Truth. “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life” said Jesus. “No one comes to the Father except through me.”
He said **only** through Him and mozlums reject that Truth.
Jesus also said, “The True worshippers will worship the Father with Spirit and Truth. and the Father seeks such ones to worship Him. For God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and Truth.”
All who seek to follow Jesus must reject islam as the bogus, the sham, the big evil lie that it is.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, somehistory. Yes, I see Christianity, with its noble ideals for people to aspire to, and islam, so evil, barbaric and endlessly full of hatred and violence, as polar opposites. These Christian church leaders who try to be friendly withy Muslims seem to think and hope that the Muslims will then become nicer and more gentle. What a futile exercise it is. The Muslims are laughing at such Christians and waiting to build up their strength and then they will kill the Christians in the usual, diabolically evil Muslim way. AS you say, CHristians need to call islam out as the evil religious ideology which it so plainly is. Being nice to the Muslim enemy is not going to work.
Issie says
Never eat with the devil
deze MN bee says
I think the original is more colorful:
If you sup with the Devil use a long spoon.
Sort of like Vladimir and guest at the long white table during Covid.
FYI says
allah’s greatest enemy is a man called “the KING OF KINGS”
Sahih Muslim vol 5 # Hadith 5611
Pope francis thinks allah is the same as the Biblical God:but then what would a Jesuit know?
He’s currently at war with Trad Catholics.The RCC is becoming inclusive!…by excluding faithful catholics.
I believe “the smoke of satan”{ecclesiastical freemasonry} has reached the top of the church and La Salette predicted all this.No surprise then with Dhimmi priests.
islam is ANTI CHRISTIAN.
FYI says
There is a Catholic prophecy that “Rome will lose the faith and becme the seat of the antiChrist”[la salette}
So it seems it is not the faith itself that is the problem but the Church Administration.
Trad catholics seem to be staying faithful to the Magisterium and those who go along with the errors of francis are proving themselves unfaithful to the Magistrium.
Why would God allow such an appaling papacy?
To separate the Wheat from the Chaff,the genuine Christians/catholics from the fraudulent ones.
When i see a procession of cardinals i often wonder which ones are the ecclesiastical freemasons?I
The muslims do think they are winning but there are prophetic reasons why they cannot.
I believe islam and the new communism are useful tools of the Globalist elite;an intolerant antichristian cult and an intolerant political ideology.A perfect combination for any would be totalitarian.
Peter WF says
When the pope houses 10,000 refugees in the vatican
S says
It should be the other way around. The Catholic priest should be the one evangelizing to the Muslims.
Arty says
The Catholic Church will do anything to make Catholics stop going to church.
Ade Fegan says
Tit
Scotsman48 says
And in the name of peace, understanding and diversity soon we will witness muslims joining in the Christian Festivals and Lent.. Right ?..
roger says
Bergamo…….where life is cheap and ventilators and Remdesivir make money.
Tom says
I attended a Catholic grade school, before Vatican II.
I was taught never to attend any non-Catholic service.
I remember feeling guilty when I opened a protestant church door and looked in.
Also, I have a friend who refused to attend his grandfather’s funeral because grandfather was not a Catholic.
Ecumenism is evil and not consistent with Catholic historical teaching.