The idea is always to enlarge the Islamic community at the expense of the non-Muslim community, by any and all means.
“ACLJ Urges U.N. To Rescue Abducted Christian Woman Forced To Convert to Islam,” ACLJ, July 30, 2024:
On January 22, 2024, a 21-year-old Christian woman, Irene Ibrahim Shehata, was abducted and later forced to convert to Islam in Egypt. We’re demanding an investigation from the U.N. and that Egypt find and free her.
Who Is Irene Ibrahim Shehata?Irene, a second-year medical student, suddenly disappeared during midterm exams. Weeks later, she stole her captor’s phone and tearfully pleaded for her life in a desperate call to her brother. According to Coptic Solidarity, her captor ripped the phone from her hands and told her brother, “Okay, you heard her voice and know she’s okay, right? Now go to hell!”
Irene’s family immediately contacted the police. But the police refused to act and threatened to arrest her family if they attempted to rescue her.
A month later, Irene’s electronic record showed that her national ID had been changed to “Muslim.” This is a common tactic used by the Muslim Brotherhood to force families to give up their search for a missing Christian woman. But Irene’s family did not give up, confident that she was taken against her will.
Authorities provided Irene’s family with numerous false leads, sending them on a futile search all over the country. Despite the family’s persistence, State Security officials remain hostile and uncooperative toward the family, insisting Irene voluntarily fled with a Muslim man.
Persecution of Christians in Egypt
Tragically, this is not an isolated incident. Christian women in Egypt are often kidnapped, “married” to Muslim men, and then forced to convert to Islam. Their national IDs are then changed to Muslim, and their stories are forgotten. State Security not only refuses to rescue these women but also seemingly assists in the targeting of Christian women….
somehistory says
Her identity card may say mozlum, but if she keeps her faith in Jesus, she is still Christian and nothing can change that.
As the Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to the Romans, chapter 8,
“38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities (nor demons), neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.…”
This goes for mozlums and nations/governments run by mozlums and governments run by other evil creatures.
I do hope she is familiar with that Scripture and others which promise that God does not forget those who love Him.
James Lincoln says
somehistory,
To your point, Jesus knows what is in her heart.
And that’s what really matters…
somehistory says
Yes, James. I just hope she remembers that. It will be a great comfort to her and she needs it.
JimJFox says
Stop talking rubbish and try to be constructive. She needs to leave the country somehow and become a genuine refugee.
somehistory says
You send her some money so she can. and all the others in such positions…send them some too.
You don’t agree with her beliefs, so why should you care that I do? If you are not willing to send her money and a way out what good is your comment to me?
And just so you know….writing something on a computer is not “talking.” If you are unaware of that, then…..you don’t know what is or is not “rubbish.”
gravenimage says
Somehistory, you can agree with this woman’s beliefs *and* want her and her familuy to be able to get out of Egypt. The Barnabus Fund aids persecuted Chistians, often helping them get out when there are no other options.
https://www.barnabasaid.org/us/
Then, many people care about the victims of Islam even if they do not share their exact beliefs. I care about Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Yezidis, Animists, Agnostics, and Athieists suffering under Islam, as well.
gravenimage says
This is true–and thank goodness, But these “converts” to islam are usually married off to Muslims–often their abductors. So any of her children will be raised as Muslims.
Walter Sieruk says
This is another example of Muslim lawlessness because of Islam by kidnapping ,but in addition this also reveals that Islam is completely lacking in valid, in context, Bible references to sway Christians to join the “House of Islam” and likewise Islam totally empty of good reasons based on logic and rational through to uphold the five pillars of Islam to win “converts.”
Therefore, a number of Muslims then resort to coercion duress and intimidation to gain proselytes to Islam.
Rick Smith says
Exactly
Rick Smith says
This would be a comedy skit on SNL if Islam wasn’t so dangerous.
Nothing says that you follow a “great religion” when you have to abduct people and force them to join at gun or knife-point.
Just imagine the uproar if some Christian sect was doing that to people…the FBI would be smashing their doors down to free the captives.
This is just more evidence that Islam is nothing but a mafia criminal gang, no better than drug cartels that deal in violence, brutality towards members and non-members and it needs to DIAF.
Rick Smith says
Technically speaking…all religions do the same, to the weakest members of society, their own children, who have no ability to think or reason…so are forced into the belief system of their parents and then grow up and do the same to their kids, keep the pattern going forever…it’s just that nobody recognizes (or treats as ‘normal’) childhood brainwashing and indoctrination.
It’s been shown when teens/young adults who’ve been raised with no religion, when they have been introduced to religion, they just laugh at them and never convert because they see how absurd the stories/myths are.
I think this scares theists…they don’t want to give their kids freedom or the free will to think and decide for themselves what beliefs they want to hold which is sad…but the world is slowly becoming more secular, as people start to realize they’ve been brainwashed and leaving religions in droves.
somehistory says
There is a man named Hugh Ross, He is a doctor, PHD, and his field of study is astronomy.
He was not born into a religious family, but he was very inquisitive as a young child. You might enjoy his life story and how he became a Christian. through his own study, not by any thing his parents did…not by any thing they said.
He is not the only person to have this way to Christianity, He is one who has been public about his life and *why* he became a believer.. And he is very , very intelligent, and interesting.
and, on a personal note, my parents didn’t “brainwash” me. I found Christ on my own time and way. And neither did I :”brainwash” my children..
Rick Smith says
That’s the beauty of western civilization and freedom, one can decide to join or leave any belief system they want without penalty. Though there is still some fanaticism and dogmatism in some sects…but still infinitely superior to Islamic states.
And you’re right-some people who had no history of beliefs did study and join them later in life…but why Christianity for example? Could it be that most of western culture was founded in the Judeo-Christian tradition?
Now I’m university educated and I’ve studied other religions, philosophies and I can tell you that the stories I’ve found in Greek/Roman and Hindu/Buddhist mythologies are much more sublime, enriching, instructive and elevating than the desert fables of the mideast…of an angry, jealous, capricious god who rewards or punishes, based on how we adhere (or not) to his dictates and commands.
I also think that religions/ideologies that are more in harmony with nature, that respect it rather than seek to exploit it are also better. Ofc at the end of the day, we as humans don’t want to be deluded by foolish, bad or wrong ideas…and the existence of reality is magnificent enough on its own without needing to invent misguided and unfounded ‘spiritual realms’ to feel more in awe of the universe.
Take the myth of Icarus, who flew too close to the sun and drowned…what a beautiful (though tragic) story about the wisdom of age (his father), and the arrogance, impetuousness of youth and tendency to overreach.
Desert fables, esp. the Quran are frankly some of the most annoying, repetitive, maddening and idiotic books I’ve read-not to mention the incitement of hate/violence towards one’s fellow human beings. It’s no wonder Muslims are so full of hate and anger, their religion made them that way.
I’m also a book-lover, if people want to be blown away by intellectual erudition, I’d advise reading philosophy, esp. Michel Foucault, Friedrich Nietzsche, Morris Berman, Jean Paul Sartre, Aristotle and the like. Ofc there are extremely well written books of fiction as well…great for intellectual stimulation-esp for younger people.
As for Ross, did he really study the beliefs of thousands of religions extant or long perished and just happened to land on Jesus or was that basically within his reach so that’s what he went for? Why not Zeus or Thor?
And it’s good that you weren’t coerced into your beliefs nor were your kids…but for the vast majority of people out there, that’s how they became Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc…it’s their culture and parents. And chances are if Ross was born in Saudi Arabia for example, he’d probably find Mohammad on his own instead of Jesus, even if he wasn’t forced into it.
somehistory says
Dr Ross would not have become mozlum…I am sure of that because of the way he became Christian. And his reasons for doing so. He was not, as you seem to think, an adult at the time.
From your comment, it seems that you have made up your mind about a man whom you have not heard.
Everyone needs to choose for himself. But people who don’t know Christianity, sure make a lot of wrong assumptions and judgments against it and those who believe it to be Truth.
Personally, I have read a lot about other religions and find that they leave me empty, while my belief and faith in God and His Son, give me great joy and fulfillment.
If I had not already found God, Dr. Ross would likely convince me.
Rick Smith says
Well this topic is a can of worms I’m not going to bother to open. But I will say this much, there are ofc numerous stories of people leaving or joining Christianity (the same for any religion).
In my case I was one of those kids raised in a fairly devout Christian family and it was during my early teens when I was able to think and question things on my own, I began to see a lot of flaws, contradictions, errors and absurdities in this religion that eventually made me realize it wasn’t the “Truth” that it claims to be.
Soon after I delved into Science and secular philosophy and I never looked back.
It’s good that you’ve found joy and solace in your beliefs, but for me what matters is whether something is true or not. I prefer the cold hard truth rather than comforting lies or feel-good stories.
I enjoy reading literature for the lessons it can provide, like the mythologies I mentioned earlier, but I do know that Zeus, Poseidon, Vishnu, and all the other 6,000 plus gods that nobody worships anymore are all man-made. It boils down to evidence, as there is no proof for any of the gods people claim exist, then effectively they don’t…this is why people have ‘faith’….which is to treat something as real when there is no proof for it.
It’s like saying I have no proof Klingons exist, but I believe they do and I follow their sacred texts…that doesn’t make them real.
However to each his or her own….we all follow or believe what feels right to us.
PRCS says
RS,
I enjoyed reading your posts.
“In my case I was one of those kids raised in a fairly devout Christian family and it was during my early teens when I was able to think and question things on my own, I began to see a lot of flaws, contradictions, errors and absurdities in this religion that eventually made me realize it wasn’t the “Truth” that it claims to be.”
Other than my upbinging in a less than devout Christian family….ditto.
Given that the earth is round (ish), not flat, and that the sun does not revolve around us, that there are no seven heavens, that the earth and the cosmos are roughly 4+ and 13+ billion years old, respectively, that Genesis is not an accurate description of the earth’s history, of its evolution, that the Great Flood that allegedly lifted Noah’s Ark and a very few of the lifeforms extant at ‘that time” is a physical impossibility, that flesh and blood animals do not survive for days in a ‘large fish’s’ innards, and on, I, too determined during my early years that neither Judaism/Christianity–nor any other ‘faith’ epresents the Truth.
And of course, while the scientist Hugh Ross convinced himself to ‘believe’, others–like Hawking and Einstein did not.
Additionally, as you infer, one is unlikely to encounter many Christians born, reared, and still living in, say, Afghanistan.
And to ‘find’ Christ–who has been hiding somewhere for the last 2000 years…..
Rick Smith says
Thanks PRCS,
I’m glad to know that some of the thoughts/ideas I’ve put out there are appreciated and enjoyed by others.
Likewise on your posts as well, it’s always good to hear differing opinions. But I should state I’m not here to ruffle any feathers or start any side-debates, since the main topic is Islam.
Though I think as you’ve done, it’s reasonable to take notice of the ideas/myths in religions and show how they simply cannot withstand scientific scrutiny like the examples that you gave.
For the believers though, like my parents who I debated for decades, their religion gave them their worldview, their moral center, their connection with the community. In fact they don’t care too much about the details of their faith or how factual or truthful it was.
I sense it’s the case with most Theists…and to give all that up, would be pretty jarring and upsetting for them. The same goes for my Muslim friend who I mentioned in another post. If he was a rational person, he would’ve reasoned through it the way I have and arrived at the same conclusion.
But as mentioned the reasons for belief go beyond the search for truth. If people examined their own beliefs impartiality/objectively, scientifically, they’d quickly realize these ideas have no leg to stand on.
And you make a good point about Einstein, Hawking and others in the science field who themselves examined these ideologies and rejected them…simply because they lack any solid evidence.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson used to ride the fence and called himself agnostic, but when pushed it was clear he leaned towards atheism/secularism as well.
The thing is that this subject isn’t new…a lot of these ideas have been debated, debunked and settled. All it takes is for someone who is open-minded to simply do their research.
As I kid I used to go to the library and read books whenever I had deeper questions, needing deeper answers…today people are just a few keystrokes away from all that knowledge.
Sadly so few people today have the natural curiosity about the world or to question their received ideas/beliefs. Hopefully we’ll reach a more enlightened age, esp after we get rid of Islam.
C says
I agree up to a point but you haven’t really addressed the specific problem entailed in Islam, exemplified by this story of this poor young woman. She was not a child. In any case people are more free and not under threat of death if they wish to leave a religion except as far as I know Islam.
Rick Smith says
I’m assuming you’re referring to my post, trying reading it first…you basically said what I said.
gravenimage says
The claim that all religions abduct people and force them to convert is completely untrue.
Mike says
This same kind of small-minded, Islamofascist bullshit is common in Pakistan as well.
As with Pakistan, people need to organize petitions, protests and boycotts against Egypt to prompt judicial reform there, to protect the rights of religious and ethnic minorities.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, UK….. same old story, regardless of whether muslims are a majority or minority
Alex Lund says
Dont we have any people in our ranks that know something about chemistry?
I once talked to a guy who was military and had a doctorate in chemistry. He flatout told me that in a common european household there is anough stuff, if mixed properbly (without needing laboratory implements) to disable three tanks.
So, what if – god forbid – someone with such knowledge would look at the common things available in Egypt and Pakistan and come up with an easy recipe that would help those women to get free and those men to meet their 72 virgins.
gravenimage says
As you see from the article, the police themselves are backing the kidnappers, and will arrest or kill the victims’ family if they try to help her.
OLD GUY says
Islam is horrible and evil.
brenrod says
Egypt is just one more depraved Muslim cesspool.
james roth says
I wonder, is their something similar to our 2nd amendment in Egypt?
gravenimage says
No. And the police are backing the kidnappers–Christians and other Infidels would just be wiped out if they tried armed defence.
Gurek says
No word is enough to describe the horror inflicted by Muslims against Infidels in all islamic countries. The West should have done something about this long ago. What they worry is the so-called phobia unfortunately. I lost my hope in humanity. They proved that they are beyond evil. Hopefully something stronger could end this pain soon.
Debra says
Sadat and al-Sisi notwithstanding, and despite what they did to Morsi, Egyptians are overwhelmingly Islamist to the core. They have zero respect for any kaffir and only back-down to superior physical force.
gravenimage says
Yes–Egypt is still a terrible place for Christians and other non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
Egypt: Muslim abducts Christian woman, forces her to convert to Islam
Irene’s family immediately contacted the police. But the police refused to act and threatened to arrest her family if they attempted to rescue her.
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Common behavior from Muslim authorities.
And if Irene is able to flee back to her community, she will be in danger of being murdered as an “apostate”, and the Copts will–insanely–be accused of kidnapping her.
Angry Brit says
How long before they come knocking on English doors and dragging the women out courtesy of Keir Starmer.