France warns: Nukes in response to terror

That reckless cowboy Jacques Chirac! Doesn’t he want to hew to the “French way” of negotiations and compromise?

From Reuters, with thanks to all who sent this in:

France said on Thursday it would be ready to launch a targeted nuclear strike against any state that carried out a terrorist attack on French soil.

What if it isn’t a state agent, Jacques, but a warrior of jihad?

In a speech defending France’s costly nuclear deterrent and toughening policy against terrorism, President Jacques Chirac said Paris must be able to hit back hard at a hostile state’s centers of power and its “capacity to act”.

“The leaders of states who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using in one way or another weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part,” Chirac said during a visit to northwestern France, where France’s nuclear submarines are based.

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  1. says

    Oooh some French backbone at last; it is probably just bravado though. The French response after the autumn intifada was just more appeasement to the Jihadists.

    Leopards don’t change their spots, so why after a century of Froggy surrender should we expect anything less.

    I live in eternal hope though!

  2. says

    Waterdragon 52
    Good point about Israel.
    One wonders why apart from Jacque’s mental state [recent stroke or possible senility] Monsieur ‘Dhimmitude’ Chirac is puffing & blowing like an old Warhorse. Might be something to do with Presidential elections coming up and prospect of losing his job also being put on trial for decades of corruption…

  3. says

    I wonder why now? His country gets torched for a week and nothing. “Allied”, neighboring countries have attacks occur and nothing. Now out of the blue he talks about the nuke option, he must have asked for a diet cola and someone got him a pair of balls instead, who knew!

  4. says

    It is more interesting that France is admitting that terrorism is the tool of STATES, and he those states.

    That is more then we get here in the U.S.

    We all pretty much know which states are behind this, but the State Department would never let us name them, let alone attack them.

    Sidenote for everyong……

    National media is not picking this one up yet. Go to the Anchorage Daily News website http://www.adn.com and check out article today of Al Qaeda threat calling for attack on the Alaska Pipeline.

  5. says

    Israel doesn’t have to issue the same threat. Nor does the United States. Everyone knows.

    –Hugh

    United States suffered a huge terrorist attack on their soil. Did we see a mushroom cloud over Kabul?

  6. says

    Frankly, I think a pre-emptive strike is the way to go. Make that strikes. If we (the West) deal with the problem now on our terms, we don’t have to deal with it later on their (Moslem) terms. Here’s my list of candidate countries (not in any particular order):

    Iran
    Pakistan
    Saudi Arabia
    Eastern Afghanistan (near Pakistan)
    Indonesia

    There…not a big list, after all. Once these centers of evil are eliminated the rest would be just a small mopping up operation.

  7. says

    Lets see… Paris gripped by riots and the gov’t cowered and promised programs. Seemingly, out of nowhere Chirac talks tough.

    Frankly, I think its a threat to Iran. Seems likely that the US will mount a millitary strike on Iran within a few weeks. What is Irans likely response? Send missiles into southern Europe and Israel.

    Chirac isn’t talking “tough” – he is talking scared. His 3 years of diplomacy have failed completely in regards to Iran, and there isnt much he can do to prevent the Shahib-Missiles from coming to roost in France. C’est La Vie!

  8. says

    What they have now done is drawn a line in the sand.

    Americas’ was the werld trade center, and the people of the book (pBA) crossed it on the same day.

    With france the line was drawn after the recent riots by the youngsters. We are 15% of frances population and they were scared of us before. Now they realize that it does no good to back off.

    They are now standing their ground…at least in their mind.

  9. says

    Chirac isn’t talking “tough” – he is talking scared. His 3 years of diplomacy have failed completely in regards to Iran, and there isnt much he can do to prevent the Shahib-Missiles from coming to roost in France. C’est La Vie!

    Posted by: MikeMontana at January 19, 2006 04:11 PM

    Couldnt agree more Mike.

    OT I remember when the Intifada was ongoing I saw a cartoon sketch I think on JW or maybe non-parasan which depicted the french version of Homeland security threat levels, with such amusing entries as runaway, wet pants etc etc.

    I cant find it now does anyone know where it is posted.

  10. says

    MikeMontana said “there isnt much [Chirac] can do to prevent the Shahib-Missiles from coming to roost in France”

    I don’t get it, why would the Iranian jihadists want to fire missiles at their fellow Muslims? You usually aim the artillery past your own front lines.

  11. says

    GOOD POINT, special guest…

    Also, why would the Muslims attack France with WMD when the French were already in full retreat even before the disaffected youth rioted due to poverty, injustice, and Islamophobia?

  12. says

    (Er wait, scratch that last part about “Islamophobia” — there’s no evidence whatseover that Islam had anything to do with those riots… shouts of “Allahuakbar!” notwithstanding…)

  13. says

    “I don’t get it, why would the Iranian jihadists want to fire missiles at their fellow Muslims? You usually aim the artillery past your own front lines.”

    as per usual, you have to jump around a few news sources to get the full picture. mark my words – this is an enormous change in French nuclear strategy.

    jerusalem post:
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1137605875863&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
    “French President Jacques Chirac on Thursday said that France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched a terrorist attack against it. ”

    bbc:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4627862.stm
    “In numerous countries, RADICAL IDEAS are spreading, advocating a confrontation of civilisations,” he said, adding that “odious attacks” could escalate to “other yet more serious forms involving states”.

    yahoo:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060119/wl_nm/nuclear_arms_france_dc_2
    “But his speech pointed to a change of emphasis to underline the growing threat France perceives from terrorism.”

    “Chirac, who is commander-in-chief of the armed forces, said all of France’s nuclear forces had been configured with the new strategy in mind and the number of nuclear warheads on French nuclear submarines had been reduced to allow targeted strikes.

    It was the first time he had so clearly linked the threat of a nuclear response to a terrorist attack.”

    “The leaders of states who would use terrorist means against us, as well as those who would consider using in one way or another weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part,” Chirac said during a visit to a nuclear submarine base in northwestern France.”

    in other words – France reserves the right to respond in nuclear terms to ANY state that backed ANY type of terrorist attack on France.

    he couldnt have made it any clearer.

  14. says

    “…he couldnt have made it any clearer…”?

    Ha!

    “…they would lay themselves open to a firm and adapted response on our part…”

    What does “firm and adapted” mean? As pointed out above, Israel and the US don’t need to go about rattling their sabres like this… Let’s see…. “…firm and adapted…” Does it have something to do with wine? Cheese?

    Hmm… What does such language signigy, coming out of the mouth of a Frenchman? Sound and fury signifying nothing…

    Nope. Not clear, not clear at all…

  15. says

    jsla – its all to do with what gone previously.
    it takes a lot for a French president to say such stuff. the French arent as gung-ho as the americans – let’s face it – they arent

    so, all i’m saying is that when the french actually ARE gung ho, then you can bet your bottom dollar that they are deadly serious.

    thats the way i’m reading it.

    this is a significant development – it’ll be interesting to see how the Bush administration responds to this. but it is a significant development.

  16. says

    “it takes a lot for a French president to say such stuff. the French arent as gung-ho as the americans – let’s face it – they arent.”

    Good point. The fact that such a martial and beligerant stance is only used in last resort in France should demonstrate the seriousness of Mr Chirac.

  17. says

    We can hope, archduke, but if you hold your breath, cyanosis is all you’ll get… After pigs fly, and Islam reforms, will we see the French act like warriors, or be effective in their own defense…

    They are treacherous spiders, and cowards. But they did sink that Greenpeace boat in NZ after they restarted testing nukes above ground in the South Pacific — those acts were certainly brave, weren’t they? So maybe I’m wrong!

  18. says

    You know, it could be that Chirac looked in the mirror the other day and realized that he’s one of the greatest dumbasses in world history (EAD), and that now he’s looking to nuke 50 million or so Moslems to help clean up his place in history.

    MORE MOSLEMS MORE ISLAM MORE DEPRAVITY MORE KORAN MORE HADITHS

    But that’s a whole lotta Marxist-Multicultral Merde to clean up right there, Monsieur Chirac. You’ve been in the soiled diapers business for decades now, so you better rent a couple of Bobcats to clean up your mess.

  19. says

    A nation can nuke all the meccas they want but that doesn’t fix terrorist cells in their own cities having 5X the amount of kids as the natives.

  20. says

    Elliot said “The fact that such a martial and beligerant stance is only used in last resort in France…”

    Last resort? No, making martial and beligerant threats is the first resort. When that fails, they run like hell. When the jihadists catch them, then they’ll get all swoony and kissy-faced and swear eternal allegiance to Mohammed (or whomever it is this time). That’s their last resort.

    All bark, no bite.

    I agree with you that this can only be solved when Europe and the rest of the world take the threat seriously. When France/Germany/Russia take some small steps to face the jihad, then it will be believeable that they are willing to consider taking large steps.

  21. says

    Less here than meets the eye. How would a “state” be identified for retaliation? What would that state have to do? Would it have to actually harbor terrorist training camps? Or would having mosques full of imams spreading the hatred for the Infidel be enough, and more than enough, in such a place as Saudi Arabia? Surely it is time for the NATO countries to get together — minus Turkey of course — to discuss what it is they wish to make clear to various Muslim countries, so that they change their behavior now. The minimum is that outside of their own domains they no longer send money to pay for mosques and madrasas and propaganda and an army of hirelings in the West. If they manage to vet all the khutbas, in the manner of Ataturk, and change their contents, they may evade further punishment. All access to Western medical care for the rulers, and Western education for the rulers’ children, and Western shopping sprees for the flocks of aabaya-ed wives, will have to stop. They should feel the stares everywhere they go, or perhaps simply no longer be permitted to visit the West at all. Such a move would not work, everywhere. This or that country will want to sell its jewelry and high fashion. Fine — let it send the goods for sale in stores in Dubai, and the Giant Shopping Mall that that place is becoming, a perfect counter-illustration of all that Muslim nonsense about the “materialistic West” as compared to the Muslim East, with its supposed spirituality.

    Start thinking about ways — appoint a few thousand, to come up with different ways to ratchet up the pressure on these countries, so that through peaceful means, Infidels may obtain the results necessary to their own survival, and that of their laws, customs, manners, understandings — and will not be forced to use other methods.

  22. says

    Yes, Dubai . . . isn’t that the home away from home for Michael Jacson? I also read an interesting piece recently about a new hotel in Dubai where it has a long downhill sky slope where you can sno ski indoors for 5 minutes–something like 1000 yards. It has fake snow and is attached to a mall. They also have a hotel that has rooms under water? Or is that in development. I’ve long laughed at their critique of the imperialists and materialists of the west when they have their ‘little exceptions’ like Dubai or, previously, Lebanon. Funny thing though . . . these little exceptions, these Paris of the mideast, seem to have a short shelf life don’t they? Seems when the Hamas/islamic brotherhood boys don’t exactly appreciate that sexy bikini or that 20 year-old bottle of fine port! LOL!

  23. says

    Rather than through innuendo, perhaps I state clearly and concisely what I mean… Aside from the endless litany of French surrenders, French perfidies, and French appeasements of various fasicsms, I am suggesting that the French only “attack” entities and nations from which they fear no reprisal… They are the epitome of cowards…

    Greenpeace or America — these are examples of entities which France fearlessly attacks — as for WMD from some actor such as Pakistan, or a nuclear equipped Iran, NO WAY — NEVER… Furthermore, the hollowness of this preposterous language is staggering… The likelihood that a state actor could be directly and definitively linked to such an attack sufficiently to warrant a counterstrike with nukes is highly unlikely… His words are puffery and nothing more, but hey! He’s French!

    In the event that a nuclear WMD attack occurs in France, such links WILL BE far too dubious for the likes of the diseased relativists which infest European politics and society… The most likely scenario will involve highly clandestine and novel operations, perhaps involving very small cadres within the State abetting terror cells… What would France’s bold response be to something which is ambiguous? Nuclear counterstrike? Absurd.

    I would welcome a CREDIBLE doctrine aimed at the Muslims en masse… If there is a WMD attack against the West (and not just pansy France), then something similar to the stance taken by JFK against the Soviets during the Cuban Missile Crisis would be appropriate … In short, any attack by any Islamist terrorist cell or group against the West will be viewed as an attack by all Muslim nations equipped with or capable of aiding said attack… This would go for EVERY Muslim nation which has dallied with biological, chemical, or nuclear programs of mass destruction… At the very least such a stance would place pressure on these various regimes to make sure that:

    1. They seriously clamp down on the security measures employed in such programs, and tolerate a sufficient level of transparency to escape retaliation by leaving no doubt that they were NOT involved if attacks are forthcoming…

    or better yet

    2. Abandon in a definitive and transparent way all associations with such weaponization of BCN… I suspect the UK and the US were intrumental in conveying a similar message to Libya in the leadup to their abandonment of their incipient nuclear program…

    An world in which Muslims aren’t involved in such black and horrific operations is a far safer world than what we have today… The threat is looming larger every day…

    Last, talk about a detestable fraud! The unbridled unilateral nature of Chirac’s swaggering is staggering! What a hypocrite… So much for multilateralism, the disease which he would like to aflict us with, but be exempt from himself…

    France is the petri dish in which some of the worst scourges in human history have been born, or through her actions have been caused… France is the modern day Whore of Babylon… And not just metaphorically!

  24. says

    World Socialism will not be sidetracked jsla, the elites are getting their equalibrium back, and are focusing on the obstacles. They will be removed.

  25. says

    biorabbi: “I’ve long laughed at their critique of the….materialists of the west when they have their ‘little exceptions’ like Dubai or, previously, Lebanon.”

    Not to mention their pornographic idea of the afterlife – the ultimate materialist fantasy. What bloody hypocrites.

  26. says

    I fully appreciate that most of you USA folks have a very bad opinion of Europe. You are wrong, but that is not what I want to discuss here and now. I would agree with Morgane (way back on this thread). M. Chirac is running scared in the face of the electorate. I have been trying to tell you USA folks for some time now that the ordinary person in Europe is deeply distrusting of Mohammedans – it’s our Governments that seem to want to cave in.

    Of course, even that is not the whole truth. European Governments are trying to maintain a balancing act until they get the energy sources for Europe sorted out. That will, as I keep on saying, take some time but what options do we have. Yes, we know that the longer it takes the more the dhimmis will make hay. Hopefully, we can disentangle ourselves from the Mohammedan world in time. France certainly can. Thanks to the single-minded pursuit of nuclear power, and hydro power inthe Haute Jura, France is on the verge of being energy self-sufficient – that fact allows M. le President to speak out a little more.

    Please try to see the bigger picture here. It is easy to knock us Europeans but please remember there are wheels within wheels and that often good old Uncle Sam is trying to make the European wheels turn in a way to suit only him.

    All that said, however, there are many Britons who are convinced that the only reason the UK keeps a nuclear deterrent is because France has the bomb. Work it out for yourself. Which country has attacked Britain most often in the last thousand years?

    Yes, you got it.

    :)

  27. says

    What is Irans likely response?

    Posted by: MikeMontana at January 19, 2006 04:11 PM

    Release a ubl[Hip-a cript who hides with women] tape?

    Popies or tulips??

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

  28. says

    If France is attacked by an Islamic terrorist organization that has no ties to any one particular country or government will they nuke Mecca and Medina? When attacked by a religious ideaology, whom does one attack?

  29. says

    Bohemond_1069 “If France is attacked by an Islamic terrorist organization that has no ties to any one particular country or government will they nuke Mecca and Medina? When attacked by a religious ideaology, whom does one attack?”

    Well you do kind of have to laugh at the brilliant idea of Muslims forming separate, isolated “enclaves” (you know – those no-go zones cropping up throughout the west)? Point being that when push REALLY comes to shove, it’s not that hard to figure out where the enemy resides, even when it’s a Trojan Horse parked conspicuously in your own backyard…

  30. says

    Caroline, you got it. I’m just wondering if the French will have what it takes to identify the main targets and take them out. By eliminating the two holiest cities in Islam, it should eiher cause the cult of Mohammed (Pigs Be Upon Him) to crumble and cease to be a problem to the civilized world or force so called “moderate” Muslims to rid themselves of the jihadi-islamo-fascist-terrorists.

  31. says

    If France is attacked by an Islamic terrorist organization that has no ties to any one particular country or government will they nuke Mecca and Medina? When attacked by a religious ideaology, whom does one attack?”

    Terrorists don’t live on the moon they live right here on the planet earth. They need places to hide and train and governments such as those of the former Taliban and Saddam know exactly who is training in their country. In some cases because they are supporting the terrorists. After the CIA missle strike in the so-called “lawless” region of Pakistan no less then President Mussariff(sp) said that people should quit hiding terrorists.Countries that don’t want to be in the crosshairs of a French nuke or a hellfire missle would be smart to quit harboring terrorists.

  32. says

    Thank all mighty God that a leader of a Christian nation has finally developed sufficient nuts and intelligence to tell Islam that nukes will fall out of the sky across Islam if France is attacked.

    God bless you President Jacques Chirac.

    The first two targets should be Mecca and Medina. France has 350 nukes which should be sufficient to destroy all major Muslim cities and military bases. If all of the Muslim countries that sponsor terror are nuked by France, then there will be no radical Muslims left to complain and carry out terror. This would also give all of the Muslim brothers across the world the opportunity to return home to rebuild their Muslim homelands and leave the rest of the world in peace.

    When will President Bush realize that not only has America been attached by Islam but is under constant attack by Islam?

    When will President Bush decide to tell Islam what the impassioned and pissed off President Jacques Chirac finally did???????

    It is way past time.

    Our borders were not sealed after 9/11 and how many Islamic terrorists, WMD’s and suitcase nukes are now in American because of this?????

    What will President Bush do when America is attacked again and probably with WMD’s and suitcase nukes?????

    Muslims do not believe that any country will retaliate against the relegion of Islam. God may open there eyes in time to see the light.

    The war for our freedom is coming and it is near.

    What are you going to do when the war starts?????

    Are you prepared?????

    Are you ready?????

    The Texican…..

  33. says

    In light of the recent riots in France I found this prophecy by Alois Irlmaier interesting,

    Prophecy of Alois Irlmaier, the German seer (interviewed in the 1950s) :

    “The city with the iron tower (Eiffel Tower) becomes the victim of its own people. They ignite everything. Revolution is, and everything is going wildly.

    The large city with the iron tower is on fire. But this has been done by its own people, not by those who came from the east. And in Italy it is going wildly too. They kill many people there and the Pope flees, but many clergymen will be killed, many churches collapse.”

    http://www.crystalinks.com/irlmaier.html

    Is Prague “the golden city” referred to by Irlmaier?

    The Sybille of Prague (?-1658)

    Still your rule lasts, my loved Prague, but also you will face the last hour. Prague, my dear Prague, you will find a rare and terrible end. A breath goes through your lanes, sweet and warm; surprised mankind will feel it. With horribly distorted faces thousands begin to rest and freeze despite the warmth. It comes to the end. Ten musty bells of the last church clang in the air. The slow and muddy tides of the Moldau roll as a terrible hurricane roars across the country, across the city. Yellow-grey dust and heavy, poisonous clouds take the breath from humans and cattle. The Hradschin is set on fire, in the city the walls burst. Everywhere fire rages. The earth trembles, vibrated by the mighty quake. Deep gaps do open, devouring the dead and the living. The graves open as ransacked by spirit hands, and the skeletons smile with cruel laughter. Everything sinks in the unfathomably black depth.

    From Vyschrad a tremendous fireball comes along, rocks fly through the air and all around blazes a sea of fire. Everything that mankind’s diligence has created lies in debris and ash. One can only hear the roar of the storm. Life has gone out. I only see rubble and corpses. Slowly the clouds disappear where once the proud cathedral dome had been. I see a bloody-red fireball. It is over! Prague, your fate has been fulfilled! Where are your houses, proud city? Why do gloomy tides flood the coasts of a deserted heath? Horrible worms eat body and spirit with frightening effect. Weeds and ruins and a poisonous cloud characterizes the countryside. Is this the harvest of the human seed?

  34. says

    Maybe the point that Chirac is making is he knows which states are behind this.

    Think about it.

    The U.S. probably knows also, but diplomacy and all, we end up dealing with the terrorist instead of the creator.

    Chirac, who has been playing both sides of the fence, and with possible full knowledge of which state/or states are behind this has found the French directly in the cross hairs.

    I do not believe this is a general statement. The resipient or group know who they are. Chirac is scared and he has recieved specific information. He knows who to send the threat back to.

    And now, it has been recieved.

    And America should step up to France’s side.

  35. says

    pythagoras: You are correct. Egypt (except for the antiquities and Copts). As for Malaysia or Indonesia: why not both? Except there are a lot of Chinese in Malaysia (keeping the country afloat by doing all the work).

  36. says

    I suppose that this empty threat coming out the same time as the updated version of the Pink Panther is mere coincidence. Cirac’s polling numbers are down and Steve Martin is looking like a viable option. Look for Jacque’s eye to start twitching soon.

  37. says

    The French know it is Iran who is behind the car burning and soon to be much more and looks like the French are not willing to give up their wine or short skirts?

    Looks like the new Terrorist laws are working for France..

    Yes listening in the Mosques have bore fruits and it is Rotten fruit can’t make much wine with rotten fruit??

    Can’t eat black oil but you can run your car on corn!!

    As for?

    Posted by: Mike_W at January 19, 2006 08:48 PM

    Your story sounds good but can’t be true becaue the word hurricane comes from an American Indian word and the time line Just don’t work??

    Now maybe he was seeing what happened in WW1 lot’s of dead from gases in that war but it just sounds like mulsums bosting to me better ck who really wrote that??

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLD EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN

  38. says

    Maybe the point that Chirac is making is he knows which states are behind this.

    Think about it.

    The U.S. probably knows also, but diplomacy and all, we eend up dealing with the terrorist instead of the creator.

    Chirac, who has been playing both sides of the fence, and with possible full knowledge of which state/or states are behind this has found the French directly in the cross hairs.

    I do not believe this is a general statement.
    The resipient or group know who they are. Chirac is scared and he has recieved specific information. He knows who to send the threat back to.

    And now, it has been recieved. Chirac used the media to send a personal letter.

    And now America should step up show them that their friend has never left side and that we support them.

  39. says

    Chirac is campaigning and needs the military vote, so he lets the Navy know how valuable and appreciated it is. That’s all. He’s still a pussy.

  40. says

    Wait a second…
    I thought the french ran out of men after wwII

    What is this guy doing..
    Doesnt he know that he will piss of the Islamo Faschists even further.

    How dare he actually find his cahunas..

    The leftist in America must be puking in their starbucks coffee right about now..

    I guess when the french realized the muslims may indeed blow up paris..

    That they decided its better to have
    some of the country left to the french..
    Then to just hand over their entire country to the islamic Faschists..

  41. says

    “Thanks to the single minded pursiut of nuclear power… France is virtually energy independant” post by Certioran

    Tres bien. I must admit that the French energy policy has been way ahead of that of the USA. The US has not built a nuclear power plant since the early eighties. Even though hundreds of nuclear power plants have operated for decades with NO NEGATIVE HEALTH EFFECTS AND NO DEATHS people are still afraid of nuclear power.

    How many miners died in the most recent cave-in in West Virginia? How many miners get black lung disease? But noooo, we have to use coal, oil and natural gas to burn in our power plants because nuclear power is too DANGEROUS. We might have a meltdown that goes all the way to China, aka Jane Fonda.

    But wait, we do not want to lose out on all of that carbon dioxide and sulfer dioxide that fossile fuels put into the atmosphere.

  42. says

    Behemond: “Caroline, you got it. I’m just wondering if the French will have what it takes to identify the main targets and take them out. By eliminating the two holiest cities in Islam, it should eiher cause the cult of Mohammed (Pigs Be Upon Him) to crumble and cease to be a problem to the civilized world or force so called “moderate” Muslims to rid themselves of the jihadi-islamo-fascist-terrorists.”

    Behomond – but that’s not half the problem. Even if Mecca and Medina were taken out with nukes, it wouldn’t change the fundamental problem the West faces. All these Muslims immigrating into the west, despite what they say, demonstrate by their immigration, that the west is superior in every way shape and form to the Dar-al-Islam. But then, in their pathological arrogance – they fantasize to themselves ( much as their Prophet was himself a fantasist) – that they will improve the west by being here (Naseem is a great example of such pathological narcissism), primarily by importing their unacceptable Sharia law. To paraphrase Iron Man Hondo – “Nuts to that”!

    So should there be a nuke to any western state, yes, of course, there would be retaliation – probably to Iran. But ultimately what good would it do if the west didn’t grasp the implications of the Trojan Horse within its own borders? How do we deal with that fact?

    But that’s why it’s so very convenient that Muslims have formed their own isolated enclaves in the West – and actually couldn’t have done anything ELSE – given their tribal, pathological separation of the world into “Us” vs. “Them” – a tribal mentality that ALL the world BUT them have moved beyond.

    So should some Muslim state, such as Iran, lob the first nuke, there are quite a number of obvious targets to take out in the Muslim world. And the West will do so. But to me, the more interesting question is what will happen to the Trojan Horses, who are all so comfortably ensconsed within the West.

    Again, point being, that we know exactly where they are – thanks to their stupid propensity to all gather in one place. But of course they have all gathered into isolated “enclaves”in the west. How could they possibly have done otherwise? Because they are the ones who have separated themelves out from the rest of mankind – separated themselves out into Us vs. Them.

    So – when the shit hits the fan, it isn’t going to be all that hard to figure out where “Them” are – “Them” being those who by their ideology have separated themselves off from the rest of us – those who by their contempt for all the rest of us have pushed everyone BUT “them” out of their own neighborhoods. So there all of “THEM” are (that’s “Them” by their OWN definition) – all gathered together into their “superior” enclaves. Sorry to say but it’s quite unfortunate for “Them” that they have made themselves so easy to identify.

    And it certainly doesn’t HAVE to be that way – if enough Muslims manage to wake up in time and join the rest of us, as human beings on this planet Earth.

    Is that a threat? No. It’s an invitation.

  43. says

    Constantinople wrote; “In all actuality, I think France made that bold statement simply because it knows that the US backs it.”
    _______

    Perhaps Chirac has been “offered” one of those special deals that the CIA is profoundly adept at. The suits simply open the folder on Chirac’s oil for food shenanigans, Jack visibly pales, they smile, and He says “how can I help.”

  44. says

    Chirac’s reluctance to support military spending meant that France’s most modern (i.e., recent) aircraft carrier was shortchanged. It is a mess. It could not put to sea, and even had to “borrow” a propeller from another vessel.

    Archduke quotes a source: “the number of nuclear warheads on French nuclear submarines had been reduced to allow targeted strikes.”

    The reduction is probably true, but the reason is plain rubbish. The ability to target your strikes has nothing to do with the number of weapons you keep. However, any utility of all of them has a lot to do with how many you maintain.
    France’s nuclear weapons are expensive to maintain, as are ALL nuclear weapons. They degrade over time, and need to be re-processed in a rotation schedule. This is expensive. Chirac has shortchanged the defense, as all such social-program spenders eventually do.

    France’s greatest nuclear threat comes from the muslims that it allows in its own military forces. Military service is the way out of the ghetto for a young muslim man. If he wants to do real damage, and not just burn some cars, he will enlist. He won’t get the promotions through the upper ranks, which are mostly reserved for true “Frenchmen”, but he will learn a lot and get paid well. He will learn the military doctrine, the order of battle (i.e., the organization of forces), specific methods of teaching (including the French view of the “enemy” which is no longer Soviet), the operation of weapons, equipment, computers, and communications. If he can endure quietly, he can work up to the rank equivalent to our Warrant Officer in a few years, and maybe somewhat further (captain in the army, maybe a lieutenant commander in the navy). In peacetime, it is always difficult to advance, and his competition will be strong, but if he knows a foreign language he will have an edge.

    If he serves in the Navy, he will visit foreign ports during his mandatory sea service every so often. He might even work his way into military intelligence.

    Hopefully, he will not be assigned with his cohorts to a nuclear submarine, or be responsible for nuclear weapons targeting, programming, maintenance, transportation, encryption, telemetry, storage, or assembly.

    Then again, if France has an affirmative action policy for “the poor, the downtrodden, the products of discrimination and alienation” then maybe our hypothetical soldier or sailor will be even more dangerous.

    (While everybody watches the front door, this Texan believes in sending a scout to the rear.)

  45. says

    Say, Elliot,
    I saw you asking something about examples or procedures of islamic takeovers/expansion in an earlier thread.

    If I was you I would focus on the Balkins. That’s the springboard. I won’t say what I think of Slick-Willy, I could get arrested, except that France is not the only one with lying, scum politicians.
    http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

    http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST011004.html

    Also read Yossef Bodansky. One thing to keep in mind with him is he is an intelligence analyst, not a history writer or documentarian.

  46. says

    Posted by: Mike_W at January 19, 2006 09:45 PM

    Maybe so but what about all this and I have been to Prague and I don’t see the mulsums being able to do something like that remember they were part of the USSR and have a great Ploice network
    and they do follow people and ??

    More than likley it will happen in a mulsum country like Iran because they don’t know the difference between popies and tulips??

    Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, “What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

    This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says

    He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

    Yes he has chosen the USA!!
    TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]

    And let’s look at another part?

    The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,

    Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?

    There will be no more warnings?

    Earthquake in Iran kills 31,000 who harbors ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] son and wife’s??

    And now Locus in Egypt

    NOW IF THAT IS NOT TELLING YOU ARE ON THE WRONG PATH NOTHING WILL??

    Kazakhstan Blast in mine??

    Islamic terrorist- killing Iraqis??

    Earthquake in Algeria??

    The typhoon in Philippines Remember they ran away from the Fight in Iraq??

    http://www.onlypunjab.com/fullstory1104-insight-Pink+Locusts+from+North+Africa-status-15-newsID-503.html
    Pink Locusts from North Africa Swarm Through Cairo
    Publish Date : 11/18/2004 5:09:00 PM Source : Science and Technology News Onlypunjab.com
    Swarms of pink locusts swept through the Egyptian capital on Wednesday, evoking the biblical description of the plagues which struck in the time of Moses.
    The swarms of millions flew high above tall towers or swooped down onto treelined streets, where scared pedestrians stamped
    on them or ran for cover.
    The flying insects arrived from neighboring Libya after devouring the countryside in central and western Africa in past months.

    YES I SAY ubl[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] is losing and trying to regain control??

    What verses did he say in his rambling and to say about the people of the book??

    The people of
    the book didn’t lose their crops??

    Now Earthquake of mulsum Islands of Indonesia?? 9.3 and afterwards mass killer waves that effect many countries?/

    Who is coming to the aid of the people But the Red Cross and India to help the people and Israel and the USA and the Western countries!!
    210,000, mulsum killed in Indonesia alone?? Whole mulsum towns gone?? And Churches still standing??
    We are waiting for the mulsums to help other mulsums?? Or with the entire fund raising they do help people instead of making war??

    And now more 6.2 earthquakes in Indonesia?? Because they have sent Islamic terrorist to terrorize the victims of the killer wave??

    January 11, 2005 Philippines an 4.3 Earthquake ??
    Maybe small there because the fight against Islamic Terrorist??
    Was ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] family in
    Indonesia we know they support Islamic Terrorist??
    January 23 6.3 Earthquake in Indonesia??

    AND THE LATES FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE CURSED??

    http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=NL712421F&news_headline=abu_hamza_covered_in_scabs

    Since then, he has been charged in the UK with 16 offences including soliciting others to murder non-believers, racial hatred and possessing a document liable to help terrorists.

    Hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza is covered from head to foot in scabs because he has an ailment that makes his skin bleed.
    One theory is that he could have psioriasis, which results in flakes falling from crusty red patches on the skin.

    NOW IF THIS AINT TELLING YOU SOMETHING??

    May 29,2005 Indonesia mulsums kill Christians in a Market try to blow up a church?? 22 dead 40 injured?

    May 30,2005 an Earthquake in Indonesia in mulsum region??

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158667,00.html
    5.7-Magnitude Quake Hurts 37 in Turkey
    Monday, June 06, 2005

    ANKARA, Turkey ” An earthquake () with a preliminary magnitude of 5.7 shook southeastern Turkey () on Monday, injuring at least 37 people, officials said
    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17552130-23109,00.html
    A 6.7-magnitude earthquake struck the Hindu Kush region of Afghanistan early today, the US Geological Survey said.
    People in Pakistani Kashmir, where tens of thousands were killed by an earthquake on October 8, fled their homes when the quake struck, residents said.
    Residents in the Indian capital New Delhi also felt the quake.
    The quake occurred about 2.51am (8.51am AEDT) and was felt in Peshawar, Abbottabad, Mansehra, Muzaffarabad, Balakot, Lahore and Faisalabad, as well as the capital Islamabad, local television reported.
    There were no immediate reports of casualties.

    More than 73,000 people were killed and around 500,000 left homeless in Pakistani Kashmir and the neighbouring North West Frontier Province of Pakistan when a 7.8-magnitude quake rocked the region on October 8.

    OH YEA WHERE THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST HANG OUT??

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/pictures/BAN02.htm
    Aerial view of mosque surrounded by flood waters in Hat Yai
    20 Dec 2005
    Source: Reuters
    An aerial view of a mosque surrounded by flood waters in Hat Yai, the largest city in southern Thailand, December 19, 2005. Torrential monsoon rains have wreaked havoc across Thailand’s south in the past week. Picture taken December 19, 2005. THAILAND OUT
    Flood death toll rises to 35 in Thailand
    BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) ” Troops in southern Thailand struggled through mountains of mud Tuesday in an effort to reach thousands stranded by floods and landslides that have killed at least 35 people.

    The affected area includes the Muslim-majority provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat, where more than 1,100 people have died in separatist violence since January 2004.”

    and how many died in the stamped in Saudi Arabia something like 234??

    Well over 2 million Christian got together last week and no one died??

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM GIVE THE WORLD STRENGHT TO STAND UP AND FIGHT THIS EVIL AMEN

    PS
    SEAMS THAT MULSUMS FROM EITHPOIA ARE STREAMING ACROSS THE BORDER INTO KEYNA AND KILLING HEARDERS??

  47. says

    Catherine,

    I’m not suggesting that Muslims will detonate a nuclear device in Prague and certainly do not believe that prophecy should be accepted as abbsolute truth.
    Only God can know the future.
    He has however revealed the future to prophets on occasions.
    It is only from the perspective of hindsight that we can know if someone is a true prophet.

    I do however find it interesting and horrifying that many prophecies seem to indicate a Russian/Islamic devastation of Europe.
    Especially since Putin is siding more and more with Islam.

  48. says

    Posted by: kentim at January 19, 2006 11:36 PM

    And lest we not forget the famous court case that was stopped??

    and now the Europeans reap what they have sewn to give-up others for apeassement and what has it gotten them??

    Islamic terrorist running in their streets raping their women and killing people who make flims polis hiding for fear ??

    Remember it was Russia who tried to tell the west what was going on with the Mulsums killing all the Christians in Serbia?
    • Page 10306 • {14/111}
    of August, 1992, they refer to “the abominable double game of the Muslims that makes the war in Bosnia even more cruel,” pointing out that the bread line massacre was committed by the Muslims. Corriere Della Sera says that: “Everything indicates that the defenders of Sarajevo, the Croats • and the Muslims, organised several attacks against their own citizens in the hope that in this way that they are going to deepen the drama of Sarajevo and the blame will only be cast on the Serbs.”
    THE INTERPRETER: Could the accused please be asked to slow down.
    JUDGE MAY: Slow down. Slow down.
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] When we were on good terms, Holbrooke said to me that Izetbegovic managed to play the role of a victim and that he, Holbrooke, called that – I remember his words – “ruthless ingeniosity.” However, this not ingenious at all. This is just heartless; sacrificing thousands of his own citizens in order to be able • to accuse the Serbs. I have to rush on. I have a map here. I’ll give it to you. Camps for Serbs from 1991 to 1996. They existed at different points in time. Some went on for a longer period of time, some shorter. There were 778 of them altogether; 536 in Bosnia-Herzegovina, 221 in Croatia. And • here is a list of every one of these camps. It includes many pages. There are many crimes that were committed. I won’t have time. I won’t have time to show this. Many crimes were committed in Croatia before the independence of Croatia was proclaimed, before it was recognised. There is a great number of crimes committed in Bosnia before • the proclamation of independence, before recognition. Please, could you

    • Page 10307 • {15/111}
    just place these two images on the overhead projector — or three, perhaps. These two, rather. Take a look at this. Please put these two on the overhead projector. I’m not going to put any other pictures on the overhead • projector. These are crimes from the 26th of March, 1992, in Sijekovac. The units crossed the Sava River and slaughtered the Serbs. Please put the big picture on the overhead projector. That’s it. That’s what they did. That’s what the Mujahedin did, the ones we saw yesterday. And we saw Izetbegovic reviewing them • yesterday. What’s the matter? Is it not on the screens?
    JUDGE MAY: It’s on the screen. Do you want the next photograph shown?
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] But I haven’t seen it on the screen. • I only see you on the screen.
    JUDGE MAY: It’s on our screen. Make sure you’ve got the right button.
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] All right. All right. You don’t want to show this. You don’t want to show this to the public.
    JUDGE MAY: Mr. Milosevic, it is on our screen.
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] It’s not on the screens that the public sees. Right. I see it on this screen now. But this internal screen only. So he is holding a head, the head of a Serb that he cut off. So those are the 20.000 Mujahedin that were brought to the European • theatre of war through Clinton’s policy, and most of them remained there

    • Page 10308 • {16/111}
    and some went to America and to other countries, and they went all around Europe. And then when they start beheading your own people in wars to come, then you will know what this is all about. There are many photographs of major crimes.
    JUDGE MAY: The usher is by the overhead projector. Do you want some other photographs shown to us?
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don’t have time, Mr. May. I have 12 minutes left —
    JUDGE MAY: Very well.
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] — according to your shortened procedure. But I want to say one thing to you. For example —
    JUDGE MAY: Let the usher — there’s no need for the usher to remain there. Give the photographs back, if you would, to Mr. Milosevic.
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] Put the other picture on the ELMO, • please, the one with the three heads. Take a look at this, these three heads of Serbs in an ammunition case. They cut off heads. These are the madmen that are doing things like that. And that is what Clinton’s policy in Bosnia did. They were assembled in Bosnia. Look at Algeria, which is a Muslim country. How many Muslims, • Algerians, did they kill so far? This has nothing do with Muslims. These are Islamic fundamentalists who are the enemies of the entire world. Not only of Christians or some others but of Muslims as well. You have —
    JUDGE MAY: Now, do you want any other pictures shown?
    THE ACCUSED: [Int.] I don’t have time, unfortunately,

    • Page 10309 • {17/111}
    for any other pictures, but I do want to say one thing to you, that —
    JUDGE MAY: Very well, let the usher take the pictures.

    http://www.beecy.net/frank/

    There are many things that are going on that we don’t see or are seeing with a slant our job is to look beyond the slant to see what they[mulsums] don’t want us to see!!

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE T STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

    PS
    What was that about Dimonds could he have been talking about Black diamonds Just thinking because I just came back from Skiing??

    SOME HOW I don’t think they do much skiing in Pakistan

  49. says

    Has Chirac received one of those new face transplants from a French surgeon?

    Chirac is showing some signs of the late Charles De Gaulle.

  50. says

    Why threaten to use Nukes when he has one of the best conventional armies in the world at his command? Posted by: NicephorusPhocas

    What conventional army? They have been reducing their troops since the cold war ended, and like rest of Europe, hardly have anything except nukes to keep themselves safe.

    I disagree with those who think US should rally behind France, should they be subjected to a terrorist attack. We should put on our best appeasement mode, and feed them all the cliches that we’d been getting from them, first on Iraq, and since then on Iran.

    E.g.

      Violence never solves any problems
      Don’t indulge in militarism until all diplomatic avenues are shut off
      Don’t be an unilateralist – engage in multi-lateralism

    Two good effects of this, despite the appearance we’d be putting on of supporting Islam & terror:

      1. France would be so enraged that they would retaliate with even greater force than they would if they thought the US supported them;
      2. Instead of testing nuclear weapons underground in Polynesia and cause untold environmental damage there, they could test their nukes above ground, and in places where it would be more debatable, if not defensible.
  51. says

    I don’t know what this means, or why he said
    this. Any French readers care to comment? How is
    this playing in France, and what has he to gain.

    I personally think the taboo around the discussion of nuclear and biological weapons
    is irrational. You can bet that our enemies will
    use them as soon as they are able, and at the
    very least, knowledge allows us to prepare for
    the aftermath when they’re used against us.

    Liggett, we should have seem such a thing, but
    not (just) at the location you suggested.

  52. says

    Kudos to the froggies..now let’s get the Legion Etrangier on board for infiltration of western iran

    Posted by: hammerhead at January 20, 2006 01:31 AM

    NO LETS STOP FIGHTING THIS WAR LIKE PUSSY’S AND PUPPY’S

    Why do that just send in the MOPs have you not been paying attion they want to kill the west and take away MY SHORT SKIRTS now where I come from them is fighting words??

    Read that senat report most of these ass-holes know exa what is going on because they are behind it and the cover up

    No time is now to kick ass HELL EVEN THE FRENCH ARE GETTING IT??

    Read that report and what they did in You. is what they have been doing for the last 10 years in Europe and the USA placing their spy’s and trying to take down our defences so they can just walk in and take out.

    Well good thing there are still real Cowboys left in this world!!

    http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm
    READ THE WHOLE THING!!!!
    January 16, 1997
    Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
    “‘There is no question that the policy of getting arms into Bosnia was of great assistance in allowing the Iranians to dig in and create good relations with the Bosnian government,’ a senior CIA officer told Congress in a classified deposition. ‘And it is a thing we will live to regret because when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will before this . . . thing is over, it will be in part because the Iranians were able to have the time and contacts to establish themselves well in Bosnia.'” [“Iran Gave Bosnia Leader $500,000, CIA Alleges: Classified Report Says Izetbegovic Has Been ‘Co-Opted,’ Contradicting U.S. Public Assertion of Rift,” Los Angeles Times, 12/31/96. Ellipses in original. Alija Izetbegovic is the Muslim president of Bosnia.]
    “‘If you read President Izetbegovic’s writings, as I have, there is no doubt that he is an Islamic fundamentalist,’ said a senior Western diplomat with long experience in the region. ‘He is a very nice fundamentalist, but he is still a fundamentalist. This has not changed. His goal is to establish a Muslim state in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Croats understand this better than the rest of us.'” [“Bosnian Leader Hails Islam at Election Rallies,” New York Times, 9/2/96]

    READ THE WHOLE THING!!

    Bosnian mujahedin units; credible claims that major atrocities against civilians in Sarajevo were staged for propaganda purposes by operatives of the Izetbegovic government; and suppression of enemies, both non-Muslim and Muslim.
    The Clinton Green Light to Iranian Arms Shipments
    Both the Senate Intelligence Committee and the House Select Subcommittee to Investigate the United States Role in Iranian Arms Transfers to Croatia and Bosnia issued reports late last year. (The Senate report, dated November 1996, is unclassified. The House report is classified, with the exception of the final section of conclusions, which was released on October 8, 1996; a declassified version of the full report is expected to be released soon.) The reports, consistent with numerous press accounts, confirm that on April 27, 1994, President Clinton directed Ambassador Galbraith to inform the government of Croatia that he had “no instructions” regarding Croatia’s decision whether or not to permit weapons, primarily from Iran, to be transshipped to Bosnia through Croatia. (The purpose was to facilitate the acquisition of arms by the Muslim-led government in Sarajevo despite the arms embargo imposed on Yugoslavia by the U.N. Security Council.) Clinton Administration officials took that course despite their awareness of the source of the weapons and despite the fact that the Croats (who were themselves divided on whether to permit arms deliveries to the Muslims) would take anything short of a U.S. statement that they should not facilitate the flow of Iranian arms to Bosnia as a “green light.”
    The green light policy was decided upon and implemented with unusual secrecy, with the CIA and the Departments of State and Defense only informed after the fact. [“U.S. Had Options to Let Bosnia Get Arms, Avoid Iran,” Los Angeles Times, 7/14/96] Among the key conclusions of the House Subcommittee were the following (taken from the unclassified section released on October 8):
    “The President and the American people were poorly served by the Administration officials who rushed the green light decision without due deliberation, full information and an adequate consideration of the consequences.” (page 202)
    “The Administration’s efforts to keep even senior US officials from seeing its ‘fingerprints’ on the green light policy led to confusion and disarray within the government.” (page 203)
    “The Administration repeatedly deceived the American people about its Iranian green light policy.” (page 204)

    SO IT WASN’T ABOUT SEX AFTER ALL AND IF YOU SEE A MOSQUE BURN REMEMBER THEY DO IT THEMSELVES

    NOW ME I CALL THIS TREASON!!!

    AND REMEMBER THE COX REPORT??

    NO I SAY SEND IN THE MOPs!!!

    Hit every oil feild and send them back to where they want to go no tollets and mud huts this is war that they have declaired

    I say Destroy all Islamic terrorist and ALL who Support them no matter who they are!!!

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM GIVE THE WORLD STRENGTH TO GET MEDEVIL ON THEM AMEN

    PS
    And this BS about the Irani people don’t like their Goverment well it has been 30 yrs how long you going to wait??

    I heard today about Old Ladies getting killed in Mexico sounds like what is in this report and when you put 2&2 together you still get4!!

    Remember Iran is running the mullas in Iraq?
    Stiani is an Irani not Iraqi?

    TeXican is right are you ready do you have your ammo??

    http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_more.php?id=68871_0_10_0_C
    Infiltration from the south feared
    Terrorist smuggling denied by admitted drug runner

    BY SERGIO CHAPA
    The Brownsville Herald
    January 15, 2006 ” The back door to this country is unguarded, and the locks in place to protect it against terrorists are easy to pick.

    Lawmakers and border security critics have repeatedly made this point, stressing the need for more funding, patrols and protection against illegal entry on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Officials are pointing to records in a South Texas drug case with alleged terrorist ties that they say underscores the lack of preparedness here.
    The attorney for a jailed Gulf Cartel member cited in the incident, however, says his client was falsely accused of trying to smuggle Iraqi terrorists into this country. He maintains the claims were brought to increase the punishment for a drug offense against the accused.

    The allegations are debated but the danger is real, warns U.S. Rep. Solomon Ortiz who believes federal lawmakers do not realize the exposure that exists on this porous international boundary.

    “There is a huge disconnect between Washington and the border,” Ortiz, D-Corpus Christi, said and called the security issue “alarming.”

    “Gente de Osama’

    The January 2005 arrest of Noel Exinia and Cesario Nuñez appeared to be just another Drug Enforcement Administration bust on the border, until court documents in the case are examined more closely.

    A few days before their arrest on federal cocaine trafficking charges, Exinia and Nuñez moved more than a quarter-ton of cocaine from Mexico through the Rio Grande Valley and on to New York City, the men told officials.

    Nuñez, 33, pleaded guilty to a drug conspiracy charge in September. His sentencing is set for Thursday.

    Exinia, 35, eventually pleaded guilty to the same charge. His sentencing is expected in March.

    Court documents filed in Exinia’s case make frequent references to his position in the notorious Gulf Cartel. The paperwork also contains details of a December 2004 incident in which he tried to secure transportation for 20 Middle Eastern “terrorists” waiting to enter the United States from Monterrey, Chiapas and Puebla in Mexico.

    Recorded telephone conversations authorized under the U.S. Patriot Act and a court order captured the La Feria truck driver referring to the 20 men as “gente de Osama” or “Osama’s people.”

    During a Jan. 5, 2005, telephone conversation, Exinia described the men as “Iraqis,” ages 25 to 33, who were willing to pay $8,000 for transportation past Border Patrol checkpoints in South Texas and into the U.S. interior.

    Exinia mentioned that eight of the men were coming to Progreso, northwest of Brownsville. He said they were “dangerous” and “really bad people.” They carried guns and made the smuggler that was helping them “afraid.”

  53. says

    Bah, I still dont know what to think of all of this. Who are the French going to nuke, Middle Easternistan and its national capital, Islamapolice?

    This is nonesensical. There is not a western government that would retaliate with nukes on a civil population, even if it gets nuked itself.

    As for nuking Mecca or other holy sites, if it ever happens, I’ll sell my house, burn my TV, radio and computer, and go live in the woods. The world will have gone to hell, and the billion muslims will indeed have a reason to come here and kill us. Huntington’s clash of civilisations will have become a reality, and it will be at their adventage, not ours.

  54. says

    This is nonesensical. There is not a western government that would retaliate with nukes on a civil population, even if it gets nuked itself.

    Posted by: Elliot at January 20, 2006 02:20 AM

    WHAT A FOOLISH MULSUM YOU ARE MOST MULSUMS RIDE DONKIES AND CAN’T SWIM VERY WELL IN ALL THOSE ROBES AND THE ONES WHO CAN
    fly well have you ever heard of bird hunting Just alittle bigger bird NO problem and as for the Borders shoot anythings that comes across that is not at a real entrypoint

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE HEROS PITY NOT THE COUNTRIES WHO NEED THEM AMEN

    PS
    Bet you couldn’t last long with out tollet paper we see you have no grasp on the real world??

    poison ivy

  55. says

    This is nonesensical. There is not a western government that would retaliate with nukes on a civil population, even if it gets nuked itself.

    I guess you’ve never heard of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?They were the first in what was to be a series of six Japanese cities to be nuked by the US before Japan surrendered.The Japanese were religious fanatics who believed the same things about the West that you Muslims do, they had to learn the hard way. I have a feeling Muslims will have to learn the hard way too.

  56. says

    I think that Constantinople has seen what is happening. Since Iran made that fatal step of breaking the seals the E3 and the USA have started working together. Iran made a threat against Germany following Merkals meeting with Bush and with Putin.

    The first point Chirac made was to state that France and the UK would use their nukes to defend Europe as a whole.

    He also stated quite clearly that France would pin the blame back on the state that supported any terrorist use of nukes and react accordingly. He just drew the line in the sand.

    Personally I think we need to go for Iran now, Iran has a Nuke capability at this point, at least one perhaps three, I expect them to use them.

    With this and a number of other pointers, I think that things are starting to move, the arrogance and the stupidity of the Islamics have at last woken up our leaders to look at Islam in detail and the penny is dropping. Looking at the statements by various people I see a pattern of preparing the people for war, its now a case of changing the general populations perception towards action. I see hope at last…, though it still looks like it will get messy.

  57. says

    Catherine “wrote”:

    “WHAT A FOOLISH MULSUM YOU ARE MOST MULSUMS RIDE DONKIES AND CAN’T SWIM VERY WELL IN ALL THOSE ROBES AND THE ONES WHO CAN
    fly well have you ever heard of bird hunting Just alittle bigger bird NO problem and as for the Borders shoot anythings that comes across that is not at a real entrypoint

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE COUNTRIES WHO HAVE HEROS PITY NOT THE COUNTRIES WHO NEED THEM AMEN

    PS
    Bet you couldn’t last long with out tollet paper we see you have no grasp on the real world??

    poison ivy”

    To which I reply, what the fuck? Wait until the effects of cheap whisky go away before using your keyboard. I know I’m no grammarian myself, this being a second language, but at least I try to keep it coherant. Which isn’t your case, really. Do us a favor, and sober up please.

    Roxane wrote:

    “I guess you’ve never heard of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?They were the first in what was to be a series of six Japanese cities to be nuked by the US before Japan surrendered.The Japanese were religious fanatics who believed the same things about the West that you Muslims do, they had to learn the hard way. I have a feeling Muslims will have to learn the hard way too.”

    Ah, yes, this is a good point you brought up. But from what I know now, I doubt that the public opinion would be as forgiving as it were during 1945. Or, maybe after getting nuked, they wouldn’t be forgiving and would actualy be glad to see a mushroom over Mecca, which would also make sense.

    But using a nuke against a civilian population goes against the usualy stance of western governments, who gargarize themselves of speeches about the utmost value of human life, and yada yada yada. In a few words, would I be a muslim leader, I’d see Chirac’s comment as mere chest beating. France isn’t credible concerning the use of a weapon such as this. Which, obiviously, isn’t the case of America and Israel.

  58. says

    Elliot,

    The only people who still care about Hiroshima and Nagasaki other then the Japanese are leftists and Muslims.Asians particularly the Chinese still hate the Japanese for the atrocities they committed during WW2. The Japanese killed more Chinese during their occupation then were killed by the US at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Asians who were victims of the Japanese resent the sympathy given the fascist Japanese because they were nuked. Last year the Chinese rioted and attacked the Japanese embassy over Japan’s continued denial of the atrocities committed in China. The Chinese also opened a museum in honor of the role of the US in what is known as “the war to defeat Japan”. So no the US reputation did not suffer after nuking Japan in fact other nations learned to fear the US.

    As for dropping a nuke going against what Western governments stand for. First and foremost governments are around to preserve the country and protect the people.Japan was nuked in order to save American lives, Japan could have been conquered using conventional forces but at great cost in American lives. The nukes were dropped in order to save lives and drive the point home to Bushido worshipping Japanese that the US was willing to destroy their civilization if necessary. They got the message and surrendered.

  59. says

    And Roxane and catherine, why are you saying I’m a muslim? I’m a freaking christian.

    Posted by: Elliot at January 20, 2006 03:25 AM

    THATS WHAT YOU SAY??

    BUT WE KNOW YOU AINT GOING TO LIVE IN THE WOODS??

    so you have already lied to us so better say your hial Mary’s

    Ishaq:365/Tabari VII:94 “Muhammad bin Maslamah said, “O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ “Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. “You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'”

    OR DOES THIS FIT BETTER?????????

    And there is always the point it was not America who siad they were going to nuke anybody it was the French who said it??

    So will you be pissed at the FRENCH??

    Part of the American Tribe
    Squirrel Hunter
    Spider Killer
    GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

    PS
    Sonofwalker I have been Talking to real people and they Get it!!

    But not in Mickey Ds

  60. says

    Say my hial’s Mary because of a lie? Hahaha, that the fundamentalist thing to do. I’ll repent for my sins in due time, just not now. Insteed of caring for my soul, you should rather care for you inability to take a joke, which sounds like a bigger problem to me. I’m not going to live in the woods. Its just a way of saying I’ll reject my society in disgust, if the unspeakable thing happen.

    And why would I be pissed at the french? I’m not pissed at anyone. Except maybe at your habit of abusing the Internet during your inhibited moments, like right now. I mean, when I read your sentences in all caps, am I suposed to imagine you screaming, while brandishing menacingly a glass of whiskey in the hand? Because I can’t help myself, this is the image that cross my mind.

    And Roxane, while I do not doubt the will of western governments to defend themselves during WWII, and thereafter during the Cold War, especialy America, I do doubt the sensibility of Western Public Opinion, which, I hope you will agree with me on this one, is getting increasingly sensible and intelorent of colateral damages, which is what I believe nuclear strike are all about: indiscriminated destruction.

    I mean, I’m certain you’ve meet them, the lefties, the pinkos, who understand international relations in term of cadavers and casualties. They were the ones who said, at 9/11: “oh, 2700 death, thats nothing, when you think about all the death America caused”. Insteed of seeing the bigger picture, they see the world at the individual level. They reject every generalizations, they dont see States as coherant actors, but merely as chaotic group of communities, they deny the possibility and existance of a nIslamic civilisational counciousness, and also tend to victimize the World and blame the West.

    Well, my point is, while they represent an extreme sector of the political spectrum, I fear they also represent the tip of a bigger icberg, that they’re the ugly head of a larger, sensible, important, powerfull and very well informed -but still biased- Public Opinion, that didn’t existed before the Viet-Nam War. Knowing that, and understanding the relation between this Public Opinion and their respective governments, would you say that a head of State would undoubtly launch a nuclear strike after Paris goes down in an hypotetical nuclear firestorm?

    I doubt it. I’m not certain, but I have my doubts.

  61. says

    Knowing that, and understanding the relation between this Public Opinion and their respective governments, would you say that a head of State would undoubtly launch a nuclear strike after Paris goes down in an hypotetical nuclear firestorm?

    Yes..absolutely

  62. says

    Well, after thinking about it a bit, about the meanings the lost of a major Western city and its 9 million inhabitants by the hand of islamic terrorists, I guess I wouldn’t mind either.

  63. says

    The reality is:

    No population is completely innocent concerning the government they have, except those who are actively working against it(and there are always those working against it). This is an almost absolute truth.
    It does not matter what example that is brought up, Hitler, Stalin, the Mullahs etc.
    Regardless of the security apparatus, oppression etc, the FACT remains, the people could overthrow their government. But they CHOOSE not to. I am aware of the complexities involved, but it really comes down to; ultimately the vast majority IS responsible for the government they have.

    People DO know this, and so does Bin Laden, he has made appeals to the opposition in the various countries, and has acknowledged their efforts, and generally said his actions are not intended for them. Of course it is extortion from a murderer, from OUR perspective. But that does not invalidate his logic.
    Even if the government exterminates all opposition, the remaining population is still responsible and accountable. More-so.

  64. says

    I can’t see what it would accomplish to nuke any Islamist country as long as there are so many Muslims infiltrating the west. The more sensible response to a nuclear attack on Europe would be large scale expulsion of Muslims from Europe. Otherwise there is senseless carnage but the long term outcome of the Islamization of Europe would still remain the same. So what would be the point? Elliott could be correct about public opinion being unwilling to retaliate with nukes. But would this same public see the wisdom of large-scale Muslim expulsions given such a catastrophic scenario? It’s certainly the more humane alternative and the only solution to the overall problem that actually makes long term strategic sense. The fact that Muslim populations tend to be concentrated the way they are, would make it easier to do. Plus, I am hard-pressed to see it as particularly cruel since Muslims who do concentrate in that way tend to welcome Islamization of their host countries. So what is cruel about sending them back to countries that are already Islamic? It seems about as inhumane as throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch.

  65. says

    Caroline,
    First off, complete civilian extermination would not be the goal I don’t believe. Destruction of government,institutions, and war-making infrastructure would be the target. Using smaller yield weaponry. The Iranian government is THE source of militant expansion of islam through terror, it’s existence provides a model and the means, it’s existence shows the islamic world what is possible, and it is a foundational component of the current belief in the possibility of actually putting mohommeds program into practice– the program of islamic world domination.

    The Saudi-Arabian government is THE source for islamic expansion through Dawa, subversion and deception. This is a less immediate threat, and can possibly be dealt with non-militarily or in a lower-intensity way. Individuals within the Saudi government, and population in general are actively involved in terrorism, this absolutely positively must be dealt with, but, there still remains a larger threat of actual government policy,”by any means necessary” of pursuing a world-islamic revolution. This is the Mullahs reason for being, it’s what they do, in everything.
    The Saudis are a major problem, and it can increase, and so is Pakistan(more-so), but Iran is the biggest problem. It is the concrete reality that legitimizes the islamic fantasy of world domination. It’s destruction would be another concrete reality that would conflict with that fantasy, and cause doubt. It’s a matter of credibility.

    And yes, I am aware of other ramifications, but ultimately, what matters is to show that the Mullahs(and alot of others) were wrong.

    I have doubts about trying to isolate the M.E. and muslim countries, because of oil, and the geo-politics involved. Iran is a source of what the imigrant muslim’s believe and how they act. So,obviously, is Saudi-Arabia. But I believe the government of Iran is more active in putting into place an operational military organization that is strategically directed from Tehran. An actual physical threat that is increased 1000-fold because of government sponsership and the existence of WMD.
    Of course, I could be wrong…

  66. says

    Somewhat OT:
    You know guys, I’ve been a computer programmer from the days of CP/M. From “listening” to this site for a long time it seems to me that everyone wants to do something to take action against islam; witness the blue ribbon society. Wearing scarves or ribbons is nice, and shows solidarity, but to quote a famous woman “Where’s the Beef?”.

    Out there in Cyberspace, there are tons of “Techies”. OBL and AQ utilize cell phones, email, sat uplinks and other infidel innovations to set up their plans to kill us. I can’t believe that there aren’t quite a few computer geeks (like myself) that are pushed to the limit by these 7th century assclowns. Between all the 21st century countries: USA, England, Canada, Austrlia etc. there hasn’t been a movement to get together and create a Trogan Horse, a worm or some other “glitch in the Matrix” that could send Iran or Syria back to the 3rd century (instead of the 7th) by completly killing or paralyzing their information/communication network that they use against us.

    A group like this would be completely illegal, and would be fighting not only the goathumping camel jockeys but our own Dhimmified Government.
    Action does require risks, but remember our history, of guys like one of my ancestors, Ethan Allen.

    I wish I had the Cajones to do this, but I’m 60 years old and tired. What about it, young guys? Want to play Zelda for real?

  67. says

    From Shortboard Surfer “…there hasn’t been a movement to get together and create a Trogan (Trojan?) Horse, a worm or some other “glitch in the Matrix” that could send Iran or Syria back to the 3rd century (instead of the 7th)…”

    I believe we probably have projects like this under way… Rumors of something similar to this abound in the leadup to OIF– Fear not!

    But why stop there? In this war, we should be utilizing the same cheap and effective measures the Jihadis use against us — Disinformation is just one..

    Given the paranoid Muslim tendency to attribute (project) all manner of dark motives to Western actions — why not FEED their paranoia? Already in Kenya, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan the lousy little Imams are spreading lies that A.I.D.S. and TB are being spread by vaccines… Why not reinforce this paranoia? Why not cheaply and effectively deprive the wider Muslim masses of the benefits of modern Western medicine and technology through fomenting their own dark suspicions?

    It costs nearly nothing to reinforce and redouble their hate filled indoctrinations against us… So far they count on our revulsion at these tactics, and our fear of the consequences — So far they have been able to count on increased aid from us with every accusation of horrors they make against us… They say we’re spreading A.I.D.S. in Nigeria through our donated vaccines? We build mosques, family aid clinics, step up food distribution, attempt to educate Imams by giving them money to distribute — all in the vain hope that we can staunch the hatred they’re spreading — this only enhances their ability to spread the hatred more effectively — we lose, they win…

    Every windfall of additional aid becomes the springboard for more lies, more disinformation, and more demands for more aid… Let’s call their bluff!

    Wanna stop the Jihad? Let’s help them help us stop it! Let’s spread their lies about us more widely among them… Let’s exacerbate their fear to choose our vaccines and our medicine and our technology by fueling every ignorant paranoia they embrace, let’s enhance every suspicion, let’s reinforce their fear of our dark nefarious motives… This is their invention after all — this is their weapon to demonize us, inculcate hatred of us among their followers, to control their minions, and create a pretext to angrily demand more aid from us. Why not hobble them with their own tactic of lies?

    Think of it…

    No more Western cures for ailments in the Muslim world — after all, IT’S TRUE! The free medicines the West distributes among Muslims ARE designed with special chemicals to make Muslim children sterile!!!

    After all, IT’S TRUE! We DO lace the A.I.D.S. virus and administer it only to Muslim children with our donated vaccines

    After all, IT’S TRUE! We DO give them tuberculosis in aspirin — and in baby formula, and in bags of donated rice, beans, and other foodstuffs!

    After all, IT’S TRUE! We do track their every move with tiny microchips embedded in everything from cell phones to coke bottles, television sets to hearing aids — they are ALL designed to track the actions of Muslims — we are watching them — we are victimizing them! We are monitoring their very thoughts, and generating tsunamis to wipe out vast tracts of Muslim lands…

    Let’s call these primitive “assclowns” in all their hatefull bluffs and boasts and paranoid persecution complexes… Let’s do everything in our power to fuel and fan the flames of their ignorance and stupidity — Let’s force them to collapse through the unsupportable weight of their own black hearts… ALL is fair in war…

  68. says

    Certiorari-

    The problem you do not seem to understand is that Europe constantly expresses contempt for America in its media. If you do not believe me, realize that anti-American whack job/bigot Harold Pinter was awarded a NOBEL PRIZE recently. During the past 20 years or so, about all he has done is blast America.

    Think of all the good writers who actually deserved this award.

    Amercians are reacting to what has become endemic in Europe.

  69. says

    jsla

    I Love It!
    My whole thesis was what can the grass roots “little people” do in this war. Your ideas are great! If we could post comments like this on the Islamic websites (or DailyKOS), rumors like this would spread like that old game whisper down the alley.

    IMHO our government is bogged down in paperwork and PC-ness, that they are, for all intents and purposes, paralysed. Rouges like us, don’t have to account to people because we still have that free speech thing going. Isn’t this the spirit of the American Revolution?