“Those who oppose, question or do not accept the Sharia or Islam, we will explain these things to them also. If they still are not convinced, then they will be ex-communicated from the religion and not be considered as Muslims.”
Comparable declarations saying that jihad terrorists will be excommunicated and not be considered Muslims have been rare, at best.
Note also the implications of this for Islamic reformers, and for Islamic apologists in the U.S. who insist that Sharia stonings and amputations, misogyny, and oppression of non-Muslims have nothing to do with Islam.
“Telangana’s Sharia Faisla Board says those opposing Sharia will be considered as non-Muslims,” by Yunus Y. Lasania, Live Mint, September 7, 2017 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Hyderabad: Calling the Supreme Court’s verdict which ruled triple talaq unconstitutional as an “interference” in Islamic law, the Sharia Faisla Board (SFB), an umbrella body of prominent religious and social Muslim organizations in Telangana, said on Thursday that it will carry out a campaign to educate Muslims about Islam and the Sharia (Muslim personal law) in the coming days. It also said that those opposing the Sharia within the community will be considered non-Muslims.
“We will start this programme in Hyderabad and conduct it across south India. The Supreme Court’s ruling has opened the door for interference in our religion,” said Mushtaq Mallik, president, Muslim Shabban Tahreek, while addressing a press conference. Mallik, along with other members from various organisations which are part of the SFB convened a meeting on Thursday to discuss the SC’s verdict on triple talaq.
Mallik said that the SFB will carry out a door-to-door programme starting with Hyderabad to explain Muslims about Islamic jurisprudence. “Those who oppose, question or do not accept the Sharia or Islam, we will explain these things to them also. If they still are not convinced, then they will be ex-communicated from the religion and not be considered as Muslims,” he added….
Guy Forester says
The door to door program is a (very) thinly veiled threat (pun intended) for those that are not in full compliance with Sharia and Islam. It is a death threat. That threat is aimed at any female that contests a Sharia compliant divorce and any member of the Ahmadi sect.
This puts the government of India in a bit of a bind. Any attempt to go against this directive could possibly lead to a rebellion/secession/civil war scenario. Now that the US is moving away from Pakistan and toward India, isn’t the timing interesting?
gravenimage says
Exactly, Guy–these *are* death threats. Will India take this seriously?
Guy Forester says
So far, Modi, despite some other faults, does not push around easily. He has so far stood up to the PRC.
gravenimage says
Yes–he is a much better leader than many India has had.
gary says
Ahhh yes. The plight of every muslim…..
“But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.”
…..they are dead in their sins.
RichardL says
“ex-communicated” I doubt that this is proper takfiri vocabulary.
India has been way too lenient with its mohammedans. They should send them all to mohammedan India. Or else.
Guy Forester says
Actually, he meant to say that anyone not going along with Sharia will have his/her head excommunicated from the rest of his/her body.
Karen says
Yep, no more communion for those Sharia scofflaws. ? I assume the speaker is a learned imam.
Or perhaps the writer translated to English, and picked the most inappropriate word possible. I noticed that the writer helpfully informs us that The Sharia is “personal law”. Uh huh, lol.
Guy Forester says
It really is a personal law. If a muslim violates it, or a non-muslim does something offensive, the muslims take it personally and kill that person. See, it really is a personal law!
Karen says
Personally, the thought of Sharia law implemented in the West makes me ill. 🙂
Joe says
Muslims always try to associate themselves with other religions. It makes Islam seem more legitimate. The mistake could have been on purpose.
Peter Buckley says
It always creases me up when muslims claim that there are “x billion” muslims worldwide, when the same muslims are happy to pronounce other muslims as “not real muslims”.
A quick scan of Quran sura 9 reveals that Allah repeatedly calls those muslims who don’t “submit” or refuse to go on military jihad “hypocrites”. From a Quranic viewpoint the vast majority of the world’s “muslims” are indeed “hypocrites” according to their own holy book.
Meanwhile, even in India,, the mass exodus from Islam has begun:
http://www.firstpost.com/india/indias-ex-muslims-shedding-traditional-islam-for-science-3093252
gravenimage says
True, Peter. It is especially notable when it comes to Black Muslims like the Nation of Islam–orthodox Muslims are happy to declare them “non-Muslims”, unless it is time to wax eloquent on how large the Muslim population is in the States…
Westman says
From the article:
Ashiq’s most piercing question to his madrassa teachers was: “since a day can last six months in countries near the North Pole, when should Muslims break their day-long fast?” The madrassa teachers did not have knowledge of geography. “The clerics beat me up for asking this..”
That’s Islam. Even Allah doesn’t seem to know the details of his own creation. How long is Ramadan if detected and celebrated on the moon? Apparently, Allah, the omniscient, didn’t know men would ever be on the moon. Someday people will be on Mars – then the moon will not even be visible. Tying the religion to the earth moon was a major mistake.
gravenimage says
Good point, Westman.
Geoffrey Britain says
Shariah is soundly based in the Qur’an, Hadiths and Suras.
Thus, a Muslim cannot oppose the Qur’an, Hadiths and Suras and honestly claim to still be a Muslim.
That Islam is not a religion but a violently expansionist, totalitarian ideology that wraps itself in a facade of religious pretense… does not obviate that to be a Muslim, inescapably requires a full support of Shariah.
PRCS says
“Shariah is soundly based in the Qur’an, Hadiths and Suras. ”
True.
The Shariah is Islamic law carried out. It is Islam’s Yellow Brick Road; another scheme concocted by men (no, certainly not by women) to control other men (and women, of course) by instilling in them the fear of—–another non-existent “guy in the sky”.
For a Muslim to oppose, question, or to not accept the Sharia–all of it–is to reject Islam.
How many of the world’s Muslims would publicly do that?
Michael Copeland says
“Sharia is Islam, to be clear. There is no difference between Islam and Sharia.”
“And the Muslim who says he’s against Sharia, he’s not a Muslim. It’s impossible.”
Fouad Belkacem, Sharia4Belgium
PRCS says
Yep.
If only more of our friends and neighbors could grasp that concept.
Wellington says
How about, “Those who are for Sharia will not be considered fully human.” Somewhat like, “Those who are for Nazism will not be considered fully human.”
And how telling that the only religion Hitler seemingly admired was Islam. Spread by the sword Islam was, no Golden Rule for all, the master class versus the rabble who get few if any rights, blah, blah, blah. Yep, quite a similarity here I would contend between Islam and Nazism. Both enemies of freedom surely. Both profoundly anti-Semitic too. Oh yeah, major patterns here aplenty. Miss this and you miss a lot.
Yes, I rather think this should be the standard in our time, i.e., that those for Sharia are considered confused at best, execrable at worst. Ah, if only our time were sensible, but sadly it is not. If it were a sensible time, then Islam, a monstrous excuse of a religion, and really just totalitarianism hiding behind a religious veil, would have been called out by now.
Hasn’t been yet. Damn shame.
Thus tragically, Islam still gets a pass. Might as well give Nazism a pass. And so, my fellow skeptics of the worst religion ever created by man (and those on the cusp still considering this possibility), I rest my case.
Will take on all comers who care to refute what I have written. Zuhdi Jasser and Linda Sarsour, are you ready to do so? Of course you’re not.
Lydia says
I oppose sharia and islam and am not a muslim.
If they get that, then great!
Karen says
I thoroughly and completely oppose Sharia in the public square, so count me out too.
gravenimage says
I oppose Shari’ah *everywhere*. No fan of its being used to abuse women, children, and Infidels, either.
Karen says
Agree!! I was thinking of wedding ceremonies primarily.
gravenimage says
True, Karen.
gravenimage says
India: Sharia Board says “Those who oppose Sharia will not be considered Muslims”
……………………..
And we all know what can happen to those who are not considered Muslims–they can be slaughtered as “hypocrites”, “heretics”, or “apostates”.
The imposition of brutal Shari’ah law is the goal of every pious Muslim.
harold says
Do you remember the recent post of the Egyptian Grand Mufti Shawki Allam statement in regards to pronouncing members of ISIS as unbelievers”
“This is not about ISIS, but a matter of a certain methodology. Anybody who says ‘There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah,’ and enters Islam by uttering these two shahadas, cannot leave the fold of Islam unless he renounces these words. No matter what he does with his life, as long as he does not renounce these words, this does not lead to his expulsion from the fold of Islam.”
gravenimage says
Could you imagine Christians regarding savage murderous thugs as good Christians merely for proclaiming Jesus to be their Savior? Me neither…
harold says
Gravenimage. I like your point. As a Christian I believe those Christians who claim they can a person can do anything wrong and still go to heaven because they said Jesus is their personal savior are not only wrong but also unbiblical. Yet I have never heard any of them say that those who leave Christianity should be killed as the majority of Muslims believe in many countries according to the Pew research center. The heaf of the Al Azhar University in Cairo teaches the death penalty for apostates.
gravenimage says
True, Harold.
Manny says
There’s a silver lining here. Those forced out of Islam probably want an excuse to leave. Here’s their chance to escape this backwards religion.
Jake says
But there’s also the possibility that they’ll promote Sharia law for fear of being killed if they leave the religion…
gravenimage says
Its not so much that they will now become happy apostates–this means that they are fair game for pious Muslims to slaughter.
Chand says
This is nothing new. Muslim clerics constantly propagate Sharia to laypeople. Ordinary Muslims adopt practices that give them some benefit, neglecting others. Sharia law is impossible in India with its secular laws and courts. So ordinary Muslims tend to follow the laws of the land and not get into trouble. But they brush aside ridiculous Sharia edicts which are primitive and useless.
Most Muslims have a dim view of clerics and Maulvis, knowing that they are only doing their jobs. They do not like ‘religious’ interference into their private affairs. But they only pretend to be ‘genuine’ Muslims, whatever that is, only nodding in agreement with the clerics but do not care about their sermons too much. They say they would like to be good Muslims but get on with their lives the best they can.
Many Western-educated Muslims detest clerics, fundamentalism, Jihadism and the Koranic garbage. They do not give a hoot about Sharia. They want to follow modern, Western values and wish to give their children a better future. And most do not fear these madrasa schooled clerics who are basically paid clerks of the Muslim boards and councils, getting paltry fees for their routine, monotonous jobs. All they do is repeat the same things………….Allah, Muhammad, Sharia, sin, salvation, heaven, hell, etc, etc, on and on and the lay people keep nodding yes, yes.
gravenimage says
Ah, yes–we have ample evidence of Muslims rejecting Jihad and Shari’ah in the West–and yet, Muslims are still waging violent Jihad and working to impose Shari’ah. Really, it’s a puzzle…sarc/off
Chand says
BTW, this going of door to door to preach Sharia by clerics is an old practice, called Tabligh.
“The movement was started in 1927 by Muhammad Ilyas al-Kandhlawi in India.Its stated primary aim is spiritual reformation of Islam by reaching out to Muslims across social and economic spectra and working at the grassroots level, to bring them in line with the group’s understanding of Islam.”
Wikipedia on Tablighi Jamaat.
FYI says
I see satan has his own “wheat & chaff” sifting process in full operation…
Those who oppose the perverse man-made sharia law=bad muslims
Now once you classify those who oppose sharia law as bad you can then make them “infidels”
And of course then,on behalf of allah,they will have to be eradicated…