We don’t flog people for “insulting Islam” in the free world. We just excoriate them as “Islamophobes” and deny them all social media platforms. We are much more civilized.
“‘They were cheering like it was a beach party’: Wife of jailed Saudi blogger sentenced to 1,000 lashes shares horrific footage of him during flogging that nearly killed him and reveals she hasn’t heard from him in the TWO YEARS since,” by Sara Malm, MailOnline, August 31, 2017:
The wife of a Saudi Arabian blogger sentenced to 1,000 lashes for ‘insulting Islam’ has said crowds were ‘cheering like they were at a beach party’ as he was publicly flogged.
Raif Badawi, 33, was sentenced to ten years in prison and corporal punishment in 2014, and the first 50 of his lashes – which his wife says nearly killed him – was filmed.
She is now petitioning for the newly-instated Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia to pardon her husband, urging Saudi-ally UK and Prime Minister Theresa May to put pressure on the Arab state.
Ensaf Haidar, who fled to Canada with the couple’s three children in 2013, tweeted the video from 2015 of her husband being flogged publicly this week.
‘This crowd is not a beach party, it’s how moderate Muslims act when they flog someone for expressing his own opinions,’ she wrote.
Ms Haidar has been campaigning tirelessly to secure her husband’s release, setting up the Raif Badawi Foundation to raise awareness of the case.
The first 50 of the 1,000 lashes Mr Badawi faces were administered in 2015, but following punishments has had to be postponed due to his health.
Ms Haidar says the 50 lashes nearly killed her husband, who suffers from high blood pressure.
She adds that the family have no idea how he is doing or when he is going to be flogged again.
‘We have not heard anything from Raif or from Saudi Arabia, but we know that he will face further punishment – we are not told when,’ Ms Haidar told MailOnline….
Robert Crawford says
I like how she points out these are the legendary moderate Muslims we’re supposed to get civilization on.
Tom says
Agree. Its norming savagery. And the Islamonazi Pope wants christians to bring in more of his islamonazi friends. while the hypocrite hides behind personal security and 40 feet high walls !
And now he even questions christians on their faith http://tinyurl.com/ydy8fkhl
JawsV says
I cannot stand this Islamophile Pope. He should convert to Islam and become an imam. Let a Christian be Pope.
Leon Degney says
This “pope” is a real idiot in the true sense of the word. Based on his behaviour there should be no followers of the Catholic religion. It is an absolute farce, to say the least, that a person with his mental capacity is a “leader” of anything.
Leon Degney says
This “pope” is a real idiot in the true sense of the word. Based on his behaviour there should be no followers of the Catholic religion. It is an absolute farce, to say the least, that a person with his mental capacity is a “leader” of anything.
Manny says
How kind they were. One would have expected beheading for insulting Islam. I will make it a point never to visit a Muslim country ever. They would, I bet, love to flog me.
Anyway, in a few years I won’t be able to visit European countries either. They will be Muslim shortly.
Wellington says
Two points: 1) Shame on all Western leaders who continue to defend Islam, leaders like Trudeau, May, Macron, Merkel, unfortunately many in the Trump Administration right now like McMaster, and the present extremely foolish Pope; 2) As I (and many others here at JW in one way or another) have asserted for years now, so-called moderate Muslims, arguably the largest group of useless, gutless and clueless people in all of man’s history, continue to give cover to man’s worst (easily worst) religion of all time.
Bitterly ironic (though still deadly) it is that so-called moderate Muslims are actually more of an impediment to assigning Islam once and for all to the extreme margins of societies than so-called radical Muslims are. Tending to prove yet again, a la Ayn Rand, that evil is not the chief problem but rather excuse making for evil is.
Are you getting any of this, Zuhdi Jasser? Sadly, I highly doubt it.
JawsV says
Islam is Fascism and Nazism with a god.
Michael Copeland says
Revered scholar Maududi wrote that the Islamic State ……
“bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist and Communist states”.
mortimer says
Agree with Wellington. The banality of evil is that ‘average’ people go along with it.
PRCS says
“She is now petitioning for the newly-instated Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia to pardon her husband, urging Saudi-ally UK and Prime Minister Theresa May to put pressure on the Arab state.:
Perhaps she hasn’t seen Sharia May’s latest:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/eid-al-adha-2017-theresa-mays-message
Michael Copeland says
Specimen extract:
“”Indeed, British Muslims, and people of Muslim origin, make a huge contribution to all walks of life in the United Kingdom. They help to enrich the successful multi-racial, multi-faith democracy that is twenty-first century Britain.”
Theresa May
Guy Forester says
She forgot to add “By beheading our soldiers and stabbing innocent tourists.”
Anne Smith says
What a stupid cow Sharia May has turned out to be.
PaulM says
You are so right. It is mind boggling to see the torture, wanton killings of innocents, treating women like non citizens, never mind 2nd class citizens, the torture and killing of homosexuals, the rape and sexual abuse of babies and minors. And all of this is “NORMAL AND COMMANDED” behavior. And as you say, gutless cowards like Trudeau, Merkel, May et al turn a blind eye and want even more of the sexually deviant, cruel, malicious and very dangerous scumbag Muslims into their respective countries. At least these world leaders fully understand and believe that Islam is clearly a religion of tolerance and peace and should be allowed to make us wallow in their filth. After all, what harm can that do?
gravenimage says
+1
Chris Snuggs says
ISLAM IS TOTALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH CIVILISATION AND SHOULD BE COMPLETELY BANNED IN THE WEST.
PRCS says
Ain’t gonna happen.
Game plan B, please.
gary says
I would really like to know how anyone could be accused of “Insulting Islam” when Islam itself is an insult to society?!!
Islam is the MOST HATEFUL IDEOLOGY on the face of the earth.
JESUS!!!! COME QUICKLY!!! I AM SICK OF THIS WORLD!!!!! I WANT OFF THIS PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!
gravenimage says
There are lots of good things about this world.
It is just that Islam is not one of them.
mortimer says
Does an ideology have FEELINGS? No, an ideology has no feelings whatever, since it is not a person, but a hypothetical concept.
Don’t expect Jihad Justin Selfie Cuck Zoolander of Kanadistan to help Mrs. Haider.
Zoolander is Feminist who endorse this 7th century ideology called ‘SUBMISSION’.
Hey, hold it! How does a ‘FEMINIST’ endorse a religion that calls itself ‘SUBMISSION’???
Westman says
Today it’s, “the curse of Allah”, and in the future, when 50,000 of them die in an earthquake or other natural disaster, it will be , “Masha Allah” (Allah’s will).
It never dawns on them that there is no Allah, the invention of Muhammad and/or 8th century Islam scholars.
mortimer says
The reverse is true: ISLAM INSULTS US… insults our intelligence (Islam is non-factual), insults our morality (Islam is amoral) and insults our logic (Islam is dualistic and self-referentially incoherent).
ISLAM IS AN INSULT TO WOMEN AND ALL NON-MUSLIMS.
Jenny H says
Mortimer,
I totally agree.
Voytek Gagalka says
“We don’t flog people for “insulting Islam” in the free world. We just excoriate them as “Islamophobes” and deny them all social media platforms. We are much more civilized.”
They [chiefs of social media platforms] can also make any commenting on social media more difficult and hassled, making this process so annoying, so full in obstacles, “road-bumps,” so frequently rotten by “unknown hackers” and with “temporary” technical difficulties, with deliberate blank-outs, “hijacked” screens and windows, not properly working “click buttons,” that this whole process will constitute effective censorship “de facto” without actually establishment it “de iure.” It happens to me, too, countless times…
If Mohammed would devise his Qur’an and Islam today, he most certainly would be more sophisticated and avoid resorting to those archaic stoning and flogging to achieve his goals of total submission.
Japetto Donatelli says
What’s so confusing about this, Europe already experienced this kind of religious barbarism, you’d think they’d have more sense than to invite it in again. And we’re no better here in America where mosques and enclaves are starting to take over. It’s like the west can’t destroy themselves fast enough. What sort of person defends this kind barbarity? We got Hollywood stars and billionaires and influential politicians, intellectuals, defending islam as if it were some kind of peaceful, good thing. The doctrine is hateful and shockingly ignorant. The crimes it causes are the worst known to man. The politics it creates is a human rights disaster. But still we see powerful and respected people sit in front of the camera and defend this carnival of terror like it’s a precious gem on the navel of humanity. I am losing faith in mankind’s ability to overcome the mental illness and brutality of islam. The willful ignorance that Spencer works so hard to overcome is so prevalent, so widespread across the social spectrum, that it begins to seem like a hopeless case to me.
As an agnostic I’m not overly fond of any religion, still I can see the good in Christianity and Judaism, and Wicca and Hinduism, and so many others. There’s nothing inherently wrong with seeking god(s) through religion. But I will never find it in my heart to like, or tolerate, or forgive, any religion whose doctrines command and glorify acts of violence as a godly act to be rewarded, and which serves as the ideological motivation for the mass murder & bigoted terrorizing of others. That’s islam. The best thing I can say about anyone that defends such an ideology is that they are morally deficient or intellectually stunted. It is not at all difficult to grasp the connection between the crimes muslims commit for islam and the doctrines of islam. If one has the mental capacity of a child and can infer the obvious then the horrible truth about islam is as obvious as the nose on their face.
If it wasn’t for brave intellectuals like Spencer and Geller and Wilders, forging a path for good morals and rationality, this planet to me would feel like a hell without hope.
Leon Degney says
Absolutely correct. I, like you, cannot fathom why it is that Western and European “leaders” with the exceptions of three or four cannot seem to make that connection. Trump is being thwarted at every turn in his attempts to introduce even a TEMPORARY ban on immigration from suspect countries. Why people are so fearful of upsetting the sensibilities of this backward crowd of demanding, barbaric Misfits is way beyond normal comprehension, as you commented Japetto, it’s as plain as the nose on their faces (provided they are not wearing a burka that is).
PRCS says
Per Sebastian Gorka, the Saudis are “the good Muslims”.
Hiding says
I refuse to give any money to the RC church. Even donations of used clothes go to the Sally Ann because they actually do some good in the world.
Irene Brekelmans says
Hooray for Mrs. May. Hasn’t she celebrated the Hajj yet and why hasn’t she gone to Mecca yet?
I almost cried when I read her warm and best wishes for the Muslims who are doing so good for the English people and Europe.
It made me sick in my stomach. May be I was born on the wrong planet which goes back to Mid Evil times.
May be muslims don’t know that evolution always has to go forward, if you go backwards, you will destroy
this planet and yourselves included. How tremendously stupid can a human being be and than think, he/she are a superior “race” and above all others. You have no consciousness, no empathy, no emotions,
there is nothing in your inner world, only violence, conquering, hate and atrocities. In a way, I feel so sorry for you, that you don’t have anything and like this, you can try to conquer the west, but even if you would conquer the whole world, you would end up destroying yourselves among yourselves, because there is nothing else that you know about.
nicu says
@Irene Brekelmann– they will rule maybe world maybe – but it will also be their end when everything is destroyed exactly as you say !
I remember a picture : THE LAST ARAB MAN : a sword in his hand fighting with another sword between his toes ! it is their blood ! NO BRAIN AT ALL only their KLOran !
nicu says
The Saudis are the worst ! But nobody touch them cos they are filthy rich and sit on oil !
They are the REAL barbaric Islam –thank you Merkel for let them in without controlling them — fascists full with Testosterone and hate –every one of them are like a bomb ! They enjoy destruction and killing — Bloodthirsty demons !
Guy Forester says
First, Mr. Spencer, as you know, the KSA is NOT a free country. I tend to agree with you on most things, but please, do not compare what goes on in the KSA with the US or any truly free country, if there are any left anymore.
Second, this guy should know very well what goes on EVERY FRIDAY outside the Juma Masjid (AKA Chop Chop Square, every town bigger than a 7-11 has one of each) for even the most minor incursions into Islamic “sensibilities.”
The only people, with very few exceptions, that do not end up at Chop Chop for public caning, whipping, beheading, or stoning are citizens of the US and certain EU and other important western customers of the oil rich country. Any Saudi, Paki, or other third worlder gets the same treatment for theft, killings (intentional or not), adultery, drunkenness, drug deals, robbery, etc.
It is not that I am not sympathetic to this family. However, these public displays of severe punishment are not intended so much as punishment for the alleged crime as much as they are a reminder to the population at large as to who is in control. Got it?
So, as much as this family would like to get their husband and father back in one piece and alive, do not expect anyone with any possible influence from the US or EU to intervene in a KSA internal matter for a KSA citizen. Over there, you learn to lay low, and watch what you say to whom. Kind of like how Germany and the USSR used to operate.
Jen L. Jones says
The horror show of a crowd cheering as a fellow human is brutally flogged, as he suffers unimaginably, is almost unbelievable to those for whom empathy is ingrained since childhood. How could anyone condone the infliction of pain on another person? No matter the “crime” in question, we in the West, in our Judaeo-Christian culture, are taught to feel the pain of others, to elevate ourselves above petty motives of revenge, and not to lower ourselves to delight in another’s suffering.
Obviously, such cultural mores do not apply in Saudi Arabia. We could ask if this is cultural (in this case an Arab trait), or we could ask if this is religious (common to those who follow Islam). However we look at this, we must conclude that there is a vast divide between Saudi Arabia and the West.
One wonders how King Salman, who rules over these people who cheer when a “blasphemer” is made to suffer (and does not rebuke them), can present himself unashamedly to visiting foreign dignitaries. And, in turn, how can they extend polite greetings to him, as the leader of a state that wallows in medieval cruelty?
All governments in the civilized world must vociferously protest the treatment of Raif Badawi, and many others like him. The fact that this is an Islamic punishment, in an Islamic state, inflicted on someone who dared to question Islam, should absolutely not interfere with the higher ideals of humanity and compassion.
Jack Diamond says
You might recall the enthusiasm of the crowds for the public punishments (amputations) and executions
in Taliban Afghanistan. Or in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Or in Pakistan (not to mention the frenzied blood thirsty mobs stirred up by the local clerics to avenge some invented insult to Islam by the hapless Christian community). Or Oriana Fallaci’s depiction of such a scene in Dhaka, Bangladesh in 1971, a stadium full of barbarians (men and women) chanting “Allahu-Akbar” over the executions, then walking in a procession right over the corpses.
No, this is not an Arab-trait but an Islamic trait. The cover of Andrew Bostom’s ‘Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism’ was a painting called “Execution of a Moroccan Jewess.” It is about the public beheading of a young Jewish girl, Sol Hachuel, in 1834. Falsely accused of having converted to Islam and then reverting, making her an apostate (accused by a Muslim woman “friend” who had made a futile attempt to convert the girl).
She is brought before the “Basha” after being denounced and famously tells him:
“a Jewess I was born, a Jewess I hope to die.” The Basha then attempts to bribe her into converting with offers of wealth, then threats of punishment. He finally sends Sol to Fez where the Sultan can decide her fate (her poor parents were required to pay for the transportation, and the fee for her execution).
The brave girl again refused converting to Islam to save her life, again professed her innocence, to the Sultan, and according to the account based on eyewitnesses published in 1837 by Eugenio Maria Romero:
“Compassion, mildness, grief, and every sentiment that could move the heart, were depicted on the countenance of the lovely victim; but pity is a feeling little known in Fez: the streets were crowded with Moors of all ages and sexes, who made the air resound with their discordant cries. “here comes”, said they, “she who blasphemed the Prophet–death! death! to the impious wretch!”
These men [the executioners], hardened by cruelty, gave the order to march [Sol] to [her] death; they tied a strong rope round her neck, and commenced dragging her as if she were a beast.”
And they cut off her head. Again, the familiar sight of streets crowded with Muslims heaping scorn and abuse on the victim, who has somehow insulted Muhammad and Islam and deserves to be scourged or killed, and the eagerness to witness it After all, these are Allah’s laws, not those of men, why not rejoice?
“We were instructed to carry out the cutting of hands or heads, stoning people to death, lashing etc in public (and usually on Friday because that is the greatest gathering of Muslims). It was the practice of the Prophet (pbuh) to gather as many people from the community to witness the implementation of Islamic law. Executing the criminal was not just punishment for that individual, but it is also awareness to the people what will happen if they committed the same crime.”
—Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips, Canadian Islamic scholar
gravenimage says
Fine post, Jack.
Yes–this is about Islam, not about being Arab. Arab Christians do not act like this, but non-Arab Muslims do.
Anne Smith says
The answer is OIL
Guy Forester says
It buys silence and acquiescence. Oh, and politicians, board memberships, professorships, endowed chairs, blind eyes and seared consciences.
gravenimage says
Saudi Arabia: Crowd was “cheering like it was a beach party” as man was publicly flogged for “insulting Islam”
……………………….
Civilized Infidels cheer for winning sports teams and for rescue workers.
Muslims cheer the persecution of anyone who dares criticize the savagery of their foul creed.
You learn a lot about a people by seeing what they cheer for.
underbed cat says
Rapacious predators cunning stealthy relentless all the qualities to bring evil, can only be thwarted by the warm light of knowledge and a goal of making the choice to follow the light of compassion. Once that is extinguished and a person feels a thrill is to view trauma inflicted on another such as righteous flogging and think that is religion you move right into cold darkness of power. I pray the world recognizes the compassion of many that exist who never wish to inflict pain on another…and bond together as a force of tolerance and concern and goodness to defend against the rapacious predators of deceit such as
Mike says
I’m not impress by this article . In islam , a muslim must show other muslims how much muslim he is , If he doesn’t , he is called an hypocrite muslim. So , when outside their house muslims fake at most their faith so to not be reported to the imam and so to not have consequences . Islam is like North Korea : a cult . A cult where one has to show absolute devotion to the head of the cult . What is in the heart of muslims in another thing. Muslims are not always as stupid as they show . They just have to be hypocrite to save their live and the lives of those around them.
Japetto Donatelli says
I’m not impress by this article . In islam , a muslim must show other muslims how much muslim he is…
I think we should all be very impressed and concerned when any human being is tortured and imprisoned for their “opinions” about some religion. This is a grotesque violation of human rights for which the whole world should be impressed. I think your sympathy is grossly misplaced. If I see someone getting mocked and beaten for bigoted and hateful reasons I don’t then take the time to feel sorry for those who are cheering it on, as you seem to be.
What is in the heart of muslims is another thing.
And what’s in their hearts? If what’s in their hearts is a preference for hypocrisy (as you suggest) over the life and dignity of another human being then their hearts are weak and rotten.
They just have to be hypocrite to save their live and the lives of those around them.
I can’t count the videos I’ve seen and the credible stories I’ve heard of muslim “hypocrites” having the time of their life stoning, beating, raping, torturing, persecuting, warring, destroying, or threatening infidels and apostates while screaming “allahu akbar” with their hypocritical throats. I don’t buy your hypocritical defense. People who only appear to be having a good time while terrorizing others bear a remarkable resemblance to those who really do. So even if you’re a little correct in your assessment, I’m still going to feel sorry for their victims over them. Sorry we had to disagree so firmly about basic human decency and morality. It’s not easy defending islam. I think it’s commendable you’re willing to make an a$$ of yourself trying to do it.
FYI says
Its that conveniently nebulous “insult to islam” trick muslim mobs love to use;but it could be anything at all,anything to give them an excuse to go on a rampage and do evil in the name of thie god allah.
Possible insults to islam..?
Spelling islam ISLUM.
Using the koran as a fly swatter.
“praying” in the wrong direction… towards Tel Aviv.
Standing up in a mosque and saying “Hey why don’t we actually TRY to follow God’s Commandments for a change.. and be nice to the Jews”.
Writing “May God Bless Israel” in a koran
……and writing it in Hebrew…a language that (the arabic speaking only) allah doesn’t like..
Stapling a photocopied list of God’s Original Commandments to the front of a koran with the Sixth one heavily underlined.
Going through the koran and blacking out the anti-Semitic bits, erasing the anti-Christian parts and pointing out allah’s EPIC theological errors..(like allah’s silly belief that the Christians worship Mary and Jesus as gods in some kind of ridiculous polytheistic system..)
Asking to perform “Fiddler on the Roof” in the local mosque…and in Hebrew…
Pointing out to muslim women that while allah may demand they wear hijabs
…..,God Himself doesn’t..
Terry says
Where in hell is the fxxxxxxx MSM in reporting these barbaric practices by our so called “allies”???
The Western civilization should cut off all ties and support to islamic countries until they get their shit together.
Jacqueleen says
In a civilized world, we do not kill people in order that the uncivilized mob is educated to what constitutes civilization…..???? Isolation is key…We as humans use it and it is called jail. God uses isolation and it is called Purgatory and Hell….We must exile all Muslims to Saudi Arabia for financing them and to Yemen for training them and BAN THEM FROM ENTRY INTO A CIVILIZED NATION. God can find them even in the desert for conversion….We can pray for their conversion but we should not be expected to live in fear of their intimidation and threats to kill us all…..ISLAM IS INSANITY AND ALLAH IS SATAN! PERIOD!