“Why do they think Islam is a religion of peace? These people have been killing us for decades and your media just ignores it. Now they are killing you and still your President Obama called it a peaceful religion. We see Western leaders saying that over and over again. Why?”
Good question. And it’s true: Western leaders are largely indifferent to the Muslim persecution of Christians. They are all so very solicitous of Islam as Muslim migrants inundate their countries; perhaps they think that concern for these Christians would be “Islamophobic.”
“The forgotten Christians of Nigeria — faithful while enduring incredible persecution,” by Larry Alex Taunton, Fox News, October 15, 2017:
…I had been invited there by my friend, Jwan Zhumbes, the Anglican bishop of Bukuru. Jwan and I had done our doctoral work together. He had asked me some years ago to come and teach the members of the diocese on issues of faith and culture. Jwan is shepherd to a diocese that has been attacked by the Boko Haram and another Islamic group, the Fulani Herdsmen Militia. He was, in my estimation, a great man doing a great work.
Now, months later, the mission was complete and it was time for me to leave the country. My time in Nigeria had been one of great blessing. The experience defies a simple description or even a simple narrative. These are Christians whose churches, homes, families and friends have been bombed, burned, and persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ. Indeed, just last month, 20 Christians were slaughtered by the Fulani only a short drive from where I was staying. This is not uncommon. And yet, optimism prevails with them where self-pity and a spirit of defeat might rule a lesser people….
Speaking at a conference in London some years ago, Peter Akinola, the Archbishop of the Anglican Church in Nigeria, boldly chastised the West:
“You came to my country and told us there is only one God through whom we could be saved, Jesus Christ, and we believed you, and followed Him. You told us there is only one true book to know him, the Bible, and we believed you, and read it. Now you tell us Allah of Islam is also god, and that we can use the Qur’an to learn about God. You invited the Muslims here as guests, and they have now become your hosts. So now I come to your country to remind you of what you have forgotten.”…
“Why do they think Islam is a religion of peace?” another man asked me. “These people have been killing us for decades and your media just ignores it. Now they are killing you and still your President Obama called it a peaceful religion. We see Western leaders saying that over and over again. Why?”…
nicu says
Tell that to the POPE !
Neil Jennison says
“Tell that to the Pope”? The first Pope who is not a Catholic? We’ve had many Popes who were not great examples of Christian Life, over the centuries.
But this Pope Francis is quite simply a Heretic.
Maybe we ARE in the “end of times”? Not something I have ever believed in before……..but, maybe, I wonder now.
This Pope is a bloody disgrace, he has tried to change Catholic Doctrine on marriage…..Deo Gratias..he failed.
He is little more than a humanist Communist.
I am a mathematician. I believe in LOGIC.
We as Catholics are BOUND to believe that the Church’s Doctrines are unchangeable. We know, that does NOT mean everything the Church EVER said was correct. But we know which teachings of Faith and Morals are not open for discussion. If any of these were changed…..as this excuse for a Pope wanted…..it logically means EVERY OTHER CHURCH DOCTRINE COULD BE CHANGED.
Once you do that, you have the Church of England……Priestesses, gay marriage blessings, as many marriages as you like after divorce, sex outside marriage the normality, abortion being condoned. etc.etc.etc.
It is what differentiates us from Protestant churches like the church Of England.
No doubt, the C of E has many members who are genuinely seeking God. Good people. BUT, people who belong to a “democratic church”…whereby the will of the “People” goes rather than the will of God.
No doubt it has many more who “wish to believe in God and the afterlife”, but only on their own terms. Gay sex, gay marriage, sex outside marriage, …..and the rest.
balafama says
did you forget your wonderful pedophile catholic priests that ruined lives by assaulting thousands of little boys and even raping nuns, killing heretics and apostates all condoned by your infallible popes and bishops . lets not talk of some of your churches that look no different from hindu temples. hypocrite.
Craig says
You refer in the past tense; the above is talking about the past and present.
Further, you seem to suggest one justifies the other.
gravenimage says
Exactly, Craig.
Neil Jennison says
Of course not. The Catholic Church is made up of sinners…..100% of us on Earth today.
Doubtless very evil things have been done by Priests and Bishops of the Church.
I don’t know anybody who thinks the One Church has lived up to that which it should have. If it had, it wouldn’t need to exist.
But it is not logical to suggest that because the members of the Church are fallible humans, that the message of the Church is false.
Laurelmarycecilia says
Balafame, you are very badly informed………… bishops do not have the infallibility charism. The Pope only has that charism in very explicit, limiting circumstances.
Additionally do NOT blame The Church, the Bride of Christ, with
those who call themselves Catholic but who do not live by Her Teachings which are always the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Also, FYI check out Bella Dodd’s testimony before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee in the 50s. If you are sincerely interested in truth, you will; if you are just another troll you will not.
Frank Riley says
Well said, Neil! A good clear statement on much of what’s wrong in today’s Church — and what a mess we’re in.
John Forbes says
WE SEEM TO NOT CARE ABOUT COPTS IN EGYPT OR NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS OR OTHER ANCIENT CHRISTIAN SECTS & HAVE ABANDONED THEM TO THEIR FATES !
A WESTERN DISGRACE THAT SHOULD KEEP US AWAKE AT NIGHT WITH UTTER SHAME!
INSTEAD OUR POLITICAL ELITE SHOW INDIFFERENCE AS THEY PUSH US ALL TOWARDS SHARIA COMPLIANCE IN ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES !
SO GREAT IS THE COWARDICE THAT IN THE UK – MUSLIM MEN REPING WHITE , SIKH & HINDU CHILDREN WERE NOT ONLY IGNORED BUT SOME POLICE & COUNCILS ACTUALLY FACILITATED THIS & THE LABOR PARTY UNDER CORBYN PROTECTS THE RAPISTS !
THIS IS THE TOXIC WEST NOW !
John Forbes says
Tell that to GEORGE W BUSH who apparently COINED the BLATANT LIE : ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE & THIS MAY WELL HAVE BEEN A CONNECTION DETAIL WITH THE BIN LADIN FAMILY WITH WHOM THEY HAD & HAVE VERY STRONG TIES!
I CAN THINK OF NO OTHER PLACE IN ANY COUNTRY WHERE THIS PHRASE ORIGINATED BUT IS IS A BLATANT LIE & IS A PART OF THE MANY LIES THAT THE WEST NOW INSISTS WE ALL PARROT & BELIEVE ON PAIN OF FACING BLASPHEMY LAWS SHOULD WE OPENLY DISAGREE !
THE MARXISTS DEMOCRATS & LIBERALS WORLD WIDE INSIST THAT WE BELIEVE THE LIES AS THEY TOSS CHRISTIANITY OVER THE SIDE IN FAVOUR OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THE IDEOLOGY OF ISLAM WITH THE HELP OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD (READ C.A.I.R IN THE US & LABOR IN THE UK )
unless anyone can point to another source for at least the FIRST UTTERANCE of this LIE by any other PERSON of CONSEQUENCE !!
gravenimage says
George Bush did *not* coin this phrase.
It was a bit of Taqiyya from a Muslim in India in 1930:
“Is Islam a Religion of Peace?”
by Mark Durie
http://www.meforum.org/5715/islam-religion-of-peace
Save Europe says
Agree with both yourself and the Gent’s comments above. Pope Franny is a Globalist and Marxist…..possibly one of the world’s greatest current buffoons….
mortimer says
“Islam was NEVER A RELIGION OF PEACE. Islam is the RELIGION OF FIGHTING*.”
As quoted in “Islamic State releases ‘al-Baghdadi message’”, BBC (14 May 2015) (*Arabic “q-t-l” = fight to the death)
Islam was first called ‘the religion of peace’ as late as 1930, in the title of a book published in India by Ishtiaq Husain Qureshi. The phrase was slow to take off, but by the 1970s it was appearing more and more frequently in the writings of Muslims for western audiences.
The word Islam is based upon a military metaphor. Derived from aslama ‘surrender’ its primary meaning is to make oneself safe (salama) through surrender. In its original meaning, a Muslim was someone who surrendered in warfare.
Thus Islam did not stand for the absence of war, but for one of its intended outcomes: surrender leading to the ‘safety’ of captivity. It was Muhammad himself who said to his non-Muslim neighbors aslim taslam ‘surrender (i.e. convert to Islam) and you will be safe’.
Sheikh Ramadan Al-Buti of Syria was one of the most widely respected traditionalist Sunni scholars before he was killed in 2013 by a suicide bomber. The year before he had been listed as number 27 in the ‘The Muslim 500’, an annual inventory of the most influential Muslims in the world. According to Al-Buti, the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion was a ‘falsehood’ imposed upon Muslims by westerners to render Islam weak. He argued in The Jurisprudence of the Prophetic Biography that when non-Muslims fear Islamic jihad, their initial inclination is to accuse the religion of being violent. However they then change tack, and craftily feed to Muslims the idea that Islam is peaceful, in order to make it so. He laments the gullibility of ‘simple-minded Muslims’, who:
“… readily accept this ‘defense’ as valid and begin bringing forth one piece of evidence after another to demonstrate that Islam is, indeed, a peaceable, conciliatory religion which has no reason to interfere in others’ affairs. … The aim … is to erase the notion of jihad from the minds of all Muslims.”
mortimer says
Calling Islam ‘the religion of peace’ In the long run cannot be a fruitful strategy. It invites mockery from Muslims who know the meaning, motive and methods of jihad, such as Palestinian cleric Abu Qatada’s sarcastic jab at George Bush’s declaration that ‘Islam is peace’.
Abu Qatada asked: ‘Is he (Bush) some kind of Islamic scholar?’
mortimer says
At least 1,000 Nigerian Christians have been killed by MUSLIMS… by jihadists… since the late 1990s.
Do not forget the suffering Christians of northern and eastern Nigeria. They are in a vicious, genocidal war of ETHNIC CLEANSING against them.
Shekau (leader of Boko Haram) clearly stated: “I AM MAKING WAR ON CHRISTIANS…GENERALLY!”
Sons of Liberty says
Even celebrities like George Clooney who kept wailing about the Sudanese people ,…not ever KNOWING that it was the Islamic Sudanese who were trying to cleanse Sudan of ALL CHRISTIANS , the same way Muhammad cleansed Arabia of all Jews and Christians in the mid 600s AD.
Wale says
A great understatement… I’m a Nigerian and can boldly tell you guys that the figure is in the tens of thousands since the 1990s… Especially in northern Nigeria.
Our incumbent President is a Moslem with a mission not distant from the islamization of Nigeria.
We in the South are predominantly Christians so it’s been an ordeal for the President.
Herdsmen roaming the south are the President’s kinsmen hence their frequent attacks on villages and farmlands belonging to southerners.
Need I mention the number of churches that have been razed? It’s terrible.
This has culminated in the constant call for secession particularly in a region of the south but it’s been only with severe frustration by northerners who contribute little to nothing to our GDP.
I’m from the Yoruba (Oduduwa) tribe of the Southwestern region of Nigeria…and I must admit to you guys that we need your prayers.
Lydia says
Why do they say that? Because it is their false propaganda. They want to brainwash people. They think if the keep repeating the lie, eventually people will believe it. And to some extent, that is true. Many are being indoctrinated and brainwashed into believing this lie.
Jaladhi says
You think the Pope can answer this question in good faith?? He is the leader of Catholic Christians but I bet he cannot satisfy his followers when spouts the PC speak calling Islam is religion of peace. Doesn’t he see how Muslims are killing Christians and other non-Muslims in Middle East, Africa and all over the world – he can’t see the obvious but the rest of world can. How is he going to answer St.peter when he goes to heaven??
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
The leader of Roman Catholic Christians, not Orthodox Catholic Christians. We saw through his subterfuge aeons ago.
Jaladhi says
The problem is none of the Christian leaders are telling the truth – all of them have joined the bandwagon of “Islam is religion of peace” which everyone knows is pure unadulterated lie! If Christian leaders are not interested in protecting themselves and their followers then who can help! These leaders should be thrown out and elect those who can speak the truth about Islam instead of peddling the lies!!
gravenimage says
St. Manuel II Palaiologos wrote:
The leader of Roman Catholic Christians, not Orthodox Catholic Christians. We saw through his subterfuge aeons ago.
…………………….
Alas, the idea that there are not Orthodox leaders pandering to Islam is mistaken. Here is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church:
“West should learn from Russia to accept Muslim refugees – Patriarch Kirill”
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=12354
Not only did he chide the West for not taking in *more* ravening Muslims, he also had this to say to the hideous “Palestinian” leader, Mahmood Abbas, on the opening of a mega-Mosque in Moscow:
“You probably felt what remarkable, good relations have developed between the Orthodox people and Muslims in Russia. We are very glad that finally this big mosque has been built in the city of Moscow to become a place of prayer for many Muslims who live in Moscow and visit Moscow.”
Really, this is pretty much as bad as the Pope–and very much along the same lines.
Lydia says
It’s all a plot my friends, a very sinister, seductive, deceptive, subtle and widespread global plot by the powers that be. Yes, in other words, a conspiracy. A thing they have also convinced the masses that doesn’t exist, so they can spin their web of deceit all the more craftily… my dear.
gravenimage says
Actually, mot Infidels understand almost nothing about Islam–they just want to believe that it is peaceful.
gravenimage says
most
gravenimage says
Nigerian Christian: “Why do they think Islam is a religion of peace? These people have been killing us for decades.”
………………………
Muslims have been slaughtering Christians *for centuries*. It is no “religion of peace”.
MFritz says
The catholic church has ignored most of the third world countries and their issues ever since John Paul II. came into power. And ever since not much has changed.
They’re still in bed with Western politics and as long as THEY won’t lift a finger for African christians (and others) being murdered by islamists, the catholic church will keep its mouth shut.
duh swami says
‘Peace will come when all re resistemse to Islam/communism stops and the whole world worships Allah only…’fight them until…’ is self defeating beaus ‘until’ is really hard to get…Islam has been chasing ‘until’ for 1400 years and all they have is a few hundred million dead people, but no ‘until’…”fight them until…’ means perpetual warfare because it has no expiration date…
Islamic mirror says
a lot of love in Christianity, a lot of anger and hate in Islam. Christian pray for others, muslims pray for themselves. “religion of war” full of “venomous misogyny
• Coran has 114 chapters 6666 word. Jesus mentioned 25 times and mohammed 4 times
• Hate appears towards unbeliever 296 times,
• (kill unbeliever 180 times,
• muslims are the best people.
• 51% (548,190 words) of the Trilogy text (koran, hadith,sira), most of it slanders against non-Muslims
• 154 – 164 verses of curses , jihad and war and killings -31% of the Islamic Trilogy (327,547 words) concerned with jihad-warfare
that’s 80% plus of that obnoxious rag being useless
Blatant lies: Islam has NOTHING to do with terror
What terror? Oh…THAT terror!
a small but representative sample of the Qur’an’s violence and hate
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
the Hadith Book 12 has 1700 verses about Jihad alone.
Many imams say, it’s un-Islamic to “love” the DIRTY KUFAAR??? Muslims who do not show hostility towards the kufaar will not be admitted to Islamic paradise.
First, Reformers refused to recognize that the Qur’an by itself was so full of anti-Infidel sentiment that ignoring the Hadith would not rid Islam of its violence and inculcated hate. Second, Reformers never did explain how it was that 1.5 billion Muslims could be convinced to ignore the hadith.
Why do we deceive ourselves?
IT’S THE IDEOLOGY, STUPID!
181 jihad attacks; 1016 killed; 1090 wounded; 34 bombings; attacks occurred in 32 countries.
There are 3 killed by jihad attacks every day of the year. ARE ALL OF THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS WHO ARE READY TO GIVE UP THEIR LIVES TRULY ‘INSANE’, or is Islam’s ideology to blame?
To those patrons of the London Underground who went to stare at a BURNING BOMB, I must say, “NEXT TIME, GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THE BOMB, UNLESS YOU ARE A BOMB DISPOSAL EXPERT.” (Mortimer)
‘STAGED’ Islamic terror in the last 30 days: (In May/June 2017)
-198 Islamic attacks in 32 countries
-1777 people were killed
-1863 wounded
‘STAGED’ SINCE 9/11- 30,973 DEADLY ‘STAGED’ JIHAD ATTACKS
Over thirty one thousand terror attacks and still nothing is being done, least of all, is the truth even being spoken. All so that 1.4 billion people around the planet can believe in a God who gives them sex robots and sex slaves if they just murder a few people on their way to Paradise.
Tom says
God keep our Christian brothers and sisters who are living under persecution by Islam, keep them safe and give them the ability to defend themselves against hate and violence.
Why is it that Canada and other western countries are not helping Christians, yet will pander and appease those who practice Islam, the religion of pieces.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Politicians, as “power-traders,” are professional compromisers, panderers and hypocrites.
It’s literally their job description.
UNCLE VLADDI says
When guilty white Westerner idolaters hear the word “Christian” they imagine the image of a plump, contented and somewhat smug and economically successful white man in a Sunday suit of clothes.
What they do not picture, is the vast majority of the world’s Christians, who are black and in Africa.
When they picture muslims, they see swarthy “People Of Color” victims of white racist oppressors, forced (by whitey) to live in their 3rd world shithole slave-pens, laboring for global white corporations for peanuts.
Ade Fegan says
well if we say islam is peaceful there is less of a chance of muslims killing us
.. just good old fashioned common sense
Fr Tomás Walsh says
I despair that people are capable any longer of expressing different points of view in a rational manner. Almost any webpage discussion now on any subject degenerates quickly into a toxic kind of nastiness –
And done often in the name of Christianity. Just read through some of the many hateful, generalized and ignorant comments expressed on this page and you will understand what I mean. Why is not possible for people to stick to the subject matter in hand and express a view in the most charitable and reasonable way possible. Why the personal attacks – this does nothing for the argument but only shows the person making these comments up. Cop on, lads!
Mic Lawler says
It grieves and enrages me to read about the slaughter and opression of my brothers and sisters by the islamist bararbarians following the teachings and emulating the lifestyle of their false prophet. I don’t know who these supposed christians are who are telling them that the false god of the quran has anything to do with truth or love or anything real or decent. I can,only surmize that so called cheostians espousing these things are false bretheren, apostates, heretics and other assorted unregenerate men and woman occupying high positions in what used to be christian churches and demoninations as well as a few well meaning naive untaught and mistaught believers.
While I pray that the eyes and hearts of those enslaved by islam will open and that they will be saved , I am sickened by the pompous globalists pursuing their ungodly quest for thier vile New World Order cowtowing to oil rich islamists and twiddling their thumbs while my brothers and sisters are brutally persecuted