They could be anywhere, and are likely plotting jihad massacres wherever they are. These men are enemy combatants, who gave their allegiance to an entity that has repeatedly insisted that it is at war with the United States. Those who have returned already should not have been allowed back in, and should be closely watched.
Note also this: “Renteria, who is of Mexican descent, grew up in Gilroy, California. He was raised Catholic but became a devout Muslim before fleeing to Syria in March 2014, when he was 24, according to NBC News.”
He became a devout Muslim and then joined the Islamic State? Doesn’t he know that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam? One hopes that H.R. McMaster is on the case, ready to set this young Misunderstander of Islam straight.
“The missing terrorists: Just SEVEN of 129 Americans who went to Iraq and Syria to fight for ISIS have returned home,” by Mary Kekatos, Dailymail.com, October 28, 2017:
More than 120 Americans who were recruited to fight for ISIS are unaccounted for, according to a new report.
This week, the Soufran Center – a Washington-based security intelligence consultancy – released ‘Beyond the Caliphate: Foreign Fighters and the Threat of Returnees’.
In the report, the agency said that at least 5,600 citizens or residents from 33 countries have returned home, making up approximately 15 per cent of ISIS’s fighters.
However, for the United States, of the 129 fighters who succeeded in leaving the country, only seven have returned home.
In 2015, the US government estimated that approximately one in five of the American fighters who fled to join ISIS were killed in war zones.
However, there are no exact numbers of how many were killed abroad or how many may have escaped into other countries – leaving the whereabouts of many unknown.
An FBI spokesperson told Fox News that 300 Americans have ‘traveled or attempted to travel to Syria and Iraq to participate in the conflict’ – including those have joined other armed groups, such as the US-backed People’s Protection Units, Peshmerga or Free Syrian Army.
‘While this number is lower in comparison to many of our international partners, we closely analyze and assess the influence groups like ISIS have on individuals located in the United States, who are inspired to commit acts of violence,’ the spokesperson said.
The spokesperson also said of the 300 US fighters, approximately 40 died after traveling to Iraq or Syria.
Among those still believed to be alive, but not named in the report, are Zakia Nasrin, Jaffrey Khan and Alberto Renteria.
Nasrin and Khan, both now 25, met online and married in 2014 before leaving Ohio for Syria. The last their families heard, the couple was working in a hospital in Raqqa and had a one-year-old daughter, reported NBC News.
Renteria, who is of Mexican descent, grew up in Gilroy, California. He was raised Catholic but became a devout Muslim before fleeing to Syria in March 2014, when he was 24, according to NBC News. His whereabouts since then are unclear.
Of the 5,000 residents of the European Union who flocked to Iraq and Syria, a quarter are believed to have returned home.
The countries with the highest number of foreign fighters included Jordan at 3,000 with around 50 returning home.
In France, 271 of 1,910 fighters have returned, and in Morocco, 198 have gone home out of 1,623….
Matthieu Baudin says
“… In France, 271 of 1,910 fighters have returned, and in Morocco, 198 have gone home out of 1,623….”
I’ve heard that in Morocco all the returnees are greeted with a direct trip to prison without any indication of when or if they can be released. I’d be interested to see this claim confirmed and if true it would be an approach worth emulating by the dozens of other countries with returning enemy combatants and murderous traitors.
gravenimage says
Yes, this is true–as far as it goes:
“Morocco cracks down on fighters returning from IS”
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/05/morocco-crackdown-islamic-state-return-jihadists.html
Morocco–a Muslim country–is not really concerned about stopping Jihad–they just don’t want it turned against their own governmental authority.
Anne Smith says
Morocco is – quite sensibly – concerned about the effect on their tourist industry which they have been building up over the years and are now pushing hard. They certainly seem to have a more sensible approach than the fool Max Hill in UK who wants them all brought home and nurtured.
Jihadi attacks have more or less destroyed the tourism in Egypt and Tunisia with devastating effects on the economies of both countries.
The Muslim Brotherhood ( believed to be the ruling influence behind the attacks in Egypt) simply does not care in any way about the ruination of the country – all they care about is spreading the influence of Islam.
gravenimage says
As I said, Muslim countries are generally only concerned about Jihadists if they are practicing it at home. They don’t tend to care if it is aimed at Infidel nations.
Saudi Arabia’s “deradicalization” programs make this quite explicit.
John says
you cannot do that in America/EU .
John says
Brits in same boat as USA http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-british-jihadis-return-uk-iraq-syria-report-islamic-state-fighters-europe-threat-debate-terror-a8017811.html
Bob says
129 – is that all?! The UK seem to’ve allowed thousands back in!
gravenimage says
Yes–this number, as appalling as it is, seems *very* low.
Roger says
Considering they have declared war on everything non-islamic, when eventually rounded up these bastards should face a firing squad..
mortimer says
Enemy jihadist combatants need to be placed in a Devil’s Island where they are put through a two to three year course of deprograming which will introduce substantial and unanswerable doubt into their thinking about Islam. A course featuring ethics, history, textual criticism, logic and comparative theology will lead the jihadists methodically right out of Islam and into hardcore skepticism. Once inmates have successfully deprogrammed other inmates and pass lie detector tests that show their thinking has dramatically changed, they may be released with ankle bracelets and take periodic refresher courses to make sure they never feel tempted to return to jihad.
Budvarakbar says
Too damn expensive and a horrendous waste of time, effort and resources
gravenimage says
Mortimer, even assuming this would work–a *very* iffy proposal, given that it never has–why the hell should we be spending millions of taxpayer dollars on this?
I also notice that you have gone from positing “deprogramming” as a one time thing to a years’ long process and now to one that will also require “refresher courses”…
Just don’t let Muslims in–especially, don’t let Islamic State Jihadists back in. This *should* be a no-brainer, even with those mostly in denial about the threat of Islam.
duh swami says
Various types of behavior modification have been tried in institutions…They all fail…that’s why psychiatric drugs were invented…It’s hard to convince any Muslim that Allah is not really their god, that some other god is their god, or no god is their god…good luck with that…
Sarah says
Basically – you just can’t fix stupid. That’s the whole problem here.
In all seriousness though – getting a Muslim to drop Islam and Allah and Mohammed and all that horsepoo that they believe in- is just like getting me, as a Westerner and an Atheist, to abandon Western cultural ideals and my beliefs in Atheism- and replace them with Islam and Islamic culture.
It’d never happen. Not willingly. Maybe if you tortured me for years on end in some black site horror show and practiced a bunch of brainwashing techniques on me – but a rehab centre and a group circle jerk once a week in between painting therapy and riding horses isn’t going to fix it.
They’re taking people who are born and bred into Islam. Who have known nothing else – and who when they see the outside world, see it through the lens of Islam – and they hate it because its not Islam. These people don’t want to abandon Islam anymore than I want to abandon Western culture. They have been raised from birth to hate anyone and anything that is not Islamic or obedient to Islam. They have been raised from birth to believe that if they commit acts of violence, brutality and sadism against those who are not Islamic or obedient to Islam -that they are richly rewarded for eternity.
We can’t rehabilitate this. Its not an addiction. Its not a disease. Its not a mental health condition. Its just a bunch of inhumane human beings who are essentially lost causes. Brutal perhaps – but its the truth. They are not redeemable. They do not belong in the West, under any circumstances.
Keys says
Yes indeed, Sarah “They do not belong in the West, under any circumstances.” Definately agree. I would add that Islam does not belong on Earth. [NB: This is not to say that individual muslims are evil.]
But muslims are here and are coming (invading according to plans on multiple fronts) and most leaders in the West are allowing it, so where do you think all this will lead if nothing is done, and what should be done ?
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I think mortimer keeps talking about deprogramming because “you shall not kill” is inviolable to him as a commandment of God.
He may believe that Daniel Triplett’s solution would work, and may be the only solution, but his deep convictions will not allow it. Therefore, for him “to love God, who to him is Life,Truth, Goodness, Beauty, and Love, mortimer must also “love his neighbor”.
Perhaps, Daniel Triplett sees his final solution to the “Muslim Problem” as “loving his neighbor”, because he believes if Islam conquers that will be the end of truth, a free life, beauty, goodness, and love here on Earth.
mortimer may believe we have no moral RIGHT to employ Triplett’s solution, so his only hope is deprogramming one individual at a time.
Triplett believes we do not now have the WILL to employ his solution, but we may have the moral DUTY to employ it – self preservation and protection of loved ones is a moral obligation.
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Annihilation killing is hard to accept as a moral duty. But does the end, in this case, justify the means ? Regarding the Old Testement story/allegory (true or not) of God ordering Abraham to sacrifice his son, Issac: “Kierkegaard argues that Abraham’s faith in God was a faith that God wouldn’t really make Abraham kill Isaac. If Abraham had not had enough faith, he would have refused to kill his son. Abraham’s faith allowed a teleological suspension of the ethical.” – from Sparknotes on lFear and Trembling”. Is there now a suspension of the ethical to kill Ishmael ?
THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS/speculations on mortimer and Daniel Triplett’s thinking about a solution to this horrendous problem; obviously they may not be what these respected JW posters actually believe.
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One more thought, perhaps not for you Sarah, but for those who have a belief or faith in God, especially Christians, who take “you shall not kill seriously”.
In John Chapter 15, Jesus said: “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you.”
Suppose there is not only a physical meaning to “lay down his life for his friends”, but also a spiritual aspect. Is there a believer (in a loving, merciful, and just God) who would risk his/her soul to lose a glorious eternal life in order that his friends/families may live in freedom and peace on Earth by implementing Daniel Triplett’s plan thus killing millions of innocents in order to destroy Islam ?
I wonder what Truman thought before he made a decision like this. Had he decided otherwise, my father would probably have been killed in the invasion of Japan; I would not be here.
Perhaps there had to be much misery and death to make Truman’s decision easier, or even possible. What if Roosevelt could have nuked Japan in January, 1942 ? Harder decision, perhaps, but millions would have lived.
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Sarah, what do you think needs to be done save the Western civilization we love ?
gravenimage says
Muslims just need to be isolated, and not invited into the West.
The Muslim world was largely isolated for almost two hundred years, and we were almost entirely safe from Jihad during that period.
Sarah says
I;m with Graven on this.
Why the hell do we have to fork out more money? We already prop up their economies with foreign aid and all the myriad financial inducements that brings them. We send in a constant stream of NGO’s and charities who suck charity out of our nations and deposit into theirs. We purchase any natural resources some of them have – because that’s all they’ve got to sell – and yet we still have to send over trained workers to do that work to get our hands on the resources – because they can’t even do it themselves.
Then they send hordes of themselves over to our nations and they suck us dry in welfare, healthcare, housing and education.
It never ends. They just take take take take take.
And now you want to flood even more money into ‘fixing’ them with their ideas?
You can’t fix stupid. They are not brainwashed. They are simply human beings who belong to a culture and a religion that is diametrically opposed to ours. And we’ve been carrying their worthless asses for a very long time – and the payback so far, has been constant demands for more money and help – and unrelenting hatred heaped upon us – oh and now these days we have the lovely little reality of risking getting murdered in our own nations by them.
we should be clawing all that money back, not dumping more onto them.
gravenimage says
+1
Keys says
Seven returned “home”.
Where are these magnificent seven (sarc), what are they doing, and will their be a treason trial and deportations ?
Lookingforward says
Very concerned. The Fed’s will have to track them forever. They should not be allowed to return to the US.
gravenimage says
Over 120 of the 129 Islamic State jihadis from the US are unaccounted for
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I hope they are all dead–but yes, more likely, they are somewhere in the world plotting to slaughter innocent people. Given how flaky things are, I would not be surprised if some of them are back in the US.
DG, United States says
Many of these guys have to be dead. 50 % would not be hard to believe.
Anti jihad says
Catalonia shia imam , who is the mastermind of separation was arrested. He ordered people to start barter system inside region (like Iran currency value is low)
Anti jihad says
Catalonia shia imam , who is the mastermind of separation was arrested. He ordered people to start barter system inside region (like Iran currency value is low)
Hugo Hackenbush says
After a fair trial: Death by public hanging for treason (assuming a guilty verdict).
Sarah says
You can just see how this is going to all play out.
Our Politicians are incapable of fixing this issue – despite a wide number of obvious fixes being right there in front of their noses.
So it’ll be OUR rights slowly getting eroded. One of these days, it’ll become commonplace to use fingerprinting or iris scanning or whatnot in accompaniment with your identification.
And we’ll all have to be tracked and traced. We’ll all be recorded and monitored.
Just so that these Politicians can right now as we speak, pretend to be doing something- but in reality are quite comfortable in doing nothing. The more this plays out, the more I can’t help but think that maybe the Conspiracists have a point with Soros and the NWO etc etc.
All of this just so obviously looks to be as inevitable steps towards a far larger and very sinister plan that for some reason, those in charge don’t want us thinking about or paying any attention to.
That scares the crap out of me.
Debi Brand says
“Over 120 of the 129 Islamic State jihadis from the US are unaccounted for”
Spencer rightly states, “They could be anywhere, and are likely plotting jihad massacres wherever they are. These men are enemy combatants, who gave their allegiance to an entity that has repeatedly insisted that it is at war with the United States.”
Indeed. No doubt about that.
Moreover, one wonders, if any of the “unaccounted for” “believers” were, perchance, in Vegas recently.
As in, there for the Route 91 Harvest Festival. Take in the Festivities thereof—do so, of course, Islamically.
As in, there, with where-the-rubber-meets-the-road, sort of Islam, there, with pedal-to-the-metal Raqqa/Mosul sort of Islam, there, with that irreplaceable, hand-gripping/caressing-weapon Caliphate-Islam…
Opposing Islam @ http://www.debibrand.org
Kevin Dunn says
I respectfully disagree. They should be allowed back into the US – and then put on trial for their lives. The generally-accepted punishment for treason is hanging.
Robeaver. says
Waste of good rope, a 22 costs way less. Just saying.
Robeaver. says
Hiding under beds, in closets. Wait for it, coming to a town where you live.