Then they wrote “Allahu akbar” in the guestbook and left. But don’t be concerned: the local imams says, “I went to see the young man after to explain to him that this is not how we do it.”
“We do it,” more famously and lethally, in other ways.
“Islamist intrusion into Verdun Carmel,” translated from “Intrusion islamiste au carmel de Verdun,” L’Est Républicain, November 16, 2017 (thanks to David):
The facts date from last Friday at the time of Vespers. Two men were welcomed for the service and urged the sisters to convert to Islam. No physical violence was perpetrated.
“They came back, a sister welcomed them and she talked with them”. Bishop Gusching, bishop of Verdun, returned on Monday again to the religious community of Verdun, ten sisters strong. The Carmelites are still in shock over what happened to them on Friday, November 10, around 5PM.
At the time of the Vespers service, two individuals about thirty years old, bearded and dressed normally, entered the Carmelite convent of Verdun.
After talking with the sister at the reception, the latter told them that the Office of Vespers would soon begin. “They asked her if they could go to the chapel,” said the bishop. “She said yes”.
Once in the chapel, “they prayed in Arabic during Vespers,” says Bishop Gusching. “They presented themselves as divine messengers and told them: if you do not convert, you will go to hell.”
“Allahu akbar” in the guestbook
In a statement, Guillaume Dupont, prosecutor of the Republic for Verdun, explained that at the end of the Office, one of the two men “would have written the words ‘Allahu akbar’ on the guestbook of the church”.
Of course, we immediately think of the circumstances of the murder of a priest which took place in the church of Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray on July 26, 2016. But no physical violence was perpetrated at the against the sisters present. And no connection with Islamist terrorism has been demonstrated.
The two men finally left as they had come “thanking the sister for her welcome,” said the bishop….
According to Abdelkrim Aïtelkaid, Imam of Verdun, “the youngest was converted two or three months ago”. With the other individual, “they came to the mosque” and did not behave normally. “That day, I was not there, but the community stopped them a bit and put them out. I went to see the young man after to explain to him that this is not how we do it.” As for what happened on November 10: “It’s not about doing that. It is not normal. We are not going to violate the sacredness of a place of worship.” In addition “I will soon go see the sisters and the bishop”.
Charles says
This simply can not be tolerated! Why haven’t the Cops put this trash in JAIL!
Honestly, this is simply TOO MUCH !
Charles says
“Charles” how come you were given permission to usurp my posting handle?
Mark says
The Catholics haven’t entered there fight yet. But they will. Muslim barbarians are excellent training for the men of Europe. The Muslims have walked into a mouse trap.
joel in ga says
Linguistic note: “would have written” here means “reportedly wrote.” It’s the French thing.
R Russell says
Get used to it. Read the 4 stages of Islamic conquest/
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
Ibn Ishaq?
Westman says
“Get used to it” – isn’t that line stolen from London’s Mayor, Sadiq Khan? “Getting used to it” – the fruits of Islam – is the future of the EU and UK.
Jayell says
When dogs go into new territory they make their mark by relieving themselves against any suitable feature of the environment (often trees or lamp posts). Clearly this pack of muslims was making its mark, but in a relatively civilised way. I believe that a more common form of Islamic imperialism involves ‘making a mark’ (so to speak) on the indigenous females, so the venerable sisters of this institution might consider themselves fortunate that they were not honoured in a slightly different fashion.
gravenimage says
This is true, Jayell–in India, a gang of Muslims invaded a convent and raped an elderly nun there.
Benedict says
“Then they wrote “Allahu akbar” in the guestbook and left.“ –
This incident is emblematic and illustrates the plight of Europe.
It was the resentful replacement theology of Islam, that prodded these two men to pay a visit to the convent.
They wrote “Allahu akbar” in the guestbook and left, but Muslims don’t arrive here in order to play the humble role of a guest.
The two men will return in the character of Abdelkrim Aïtelkaid, Imam of Verdun, with whom they have conspired, and with this repulsive act of intimidation backing up his oily words, the Imam will explain to the sisters how it is done, lest new guests will return in order to write in the guestbook and collect the Islamic ordained extortion money or worse.
The Mafia of Mohammad has been found out.
gravenimage says
Benedict, Imam Abdelkrim Aïtelkaid is playing both ends here–he is also involved with “interfaith dialogue” with Bishop Gusching and other clueless Infidels:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.verdun.fr/Vie-quotidienne/Actualites/Invitation-au-Ramadan-une-cohabitation-exemplaire&prev=search
Benedict says
Thanks for the link, g. –
Apropos Ramadan meal:
“He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.”
But:
Monsignor Gusching and Mr. Jean-Claude Levy don’t understand that they themselves are the dessert, and that the length of the spoon is irrelevant.
Delphi says
Your false prophet raped girls, kept slaves, butchered innocents and committed mass murder. He served a violent religion, a corrupt bastardization of Christianity and Judaeism, created by Lucifer, the Lord of Hell, based on Arab Tribal Paganism and Sin, the Moon God. When you die, you and all Jihadi scum will go to the hellfire and burn eternally, for all you believe in is violence, torment and pain, and not redemption through love and Christ’s blood and sacrifice. Repent, now, and be saved, or perish DEUS VULT! (repeat, loudly)..
now back to your regularly scheduled rationalist aetheist feminist.
Stan Lee says
It’s probably too much to hope for in France, but these churches need a few “no neck” men on station and packing firearms. The Muslims invade churches because they’re soft targets.
If they know that pain or death awaits them for invading churches, their false bravado will be stopped.
dumbledoresarmy says
Dogs would be nice, too. BIIIIIG black dogs, the blacker the better, with lots of attitude, extremely well trained, so that when the Mother Superior tells the dog “sic ‘im’ (or the French equivalent) then that dog or dogs will go bite mohammedan azz., good and hard. CHOMP. No bark, no warning, just a black shadow sliding out from among the pillars and suddenly the mohammedan is in a world of pain as the Black Dog grips and holds.
Shmoovie says
More bs assurance that “no connection to Islamic terrorism has been demonstrated”.
Leaving the arrogant threat/message ‘our “god is greater” than yours’ is no proof nor connection, since the two weren’t dressed in ISIS-approved jihadi-wear.
And the Arabic-spoken prayer certainly wasn’t meant to offend.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Intimidation was the purpose of those Muslims intruders who interrupted Catholic Vespers by shouting in Arabic. Intimidation is actually an act of terrorism…on a smaller scale. And as the other poster wrote “Allah Akbar” means my god is greater than your god. So “Allah Akbar” is an act of intimidation, i.e. a threat.
mortimer says
The bishop of Verdun should instruct all his clergy and religious to put their local police station on speed dial in their cellular phones.
Christmas is the season of jihad attacks against Christians. It is criminal negligence if Christian leaders do not prepare for the inevitable jihad attacks.
Blood will be on their hands if they are not prepared.
gravenimage says
mortimer wrote:
The bishop of Verdun should instruct all his clergy and religious to put their local police station on speed dial in their cellular phones.
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He won’t, though. This Bishop was playing footsie with this Imam at Ramadan. He will believe any lies he dishes out about this threatening incident.
Jack Diamond says
The priest’s name was Father Jacques Hamel, he was 86 years old. The two Muslim killers interrupted Mass wielding knives and screaming “Allahu Akbar!” (a phrase which we know, because we have been told by important people, has nothing to do with jihad murder). They made Fr. Hamel kneel and then began an Islamic sermon in Arabic. Fr. Hamel’s last words were “Go away Satan” before they cut his throat. They killers made sure to video their brave jihad. Police shot them as they left the church, they were screaming “Allahu Akbar!.”
Here, “two men were welcomed for the service and urged the sisters to convert to Islam.”
The “invitation to Islam” accorded the infidel is what usually presages the “sword without mercy.” The “kindly” offer is a pure formality, it is part of the 3 choices Muhammad gave the People of the Book. Not accepting the kindly offer is considered a declaration of war on Islam. This probably isn’t over.
gravenimage says
Fine post.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep. The nuns refused to convert, so the Muslims will be back to rape, rob, and slit throats.
The nuns need to acquire some Knights of Saint John – and some Hounds of Heaven – to handle security at the convent, and lie in wait for when – not if – the mohammedans return.
gravenimage says
Very true, DDA. I wonder if these nuns realize they are an ongoing target of these Muslim thugs?
MFritz says
It’s our politicians who let them get bolder.
I wonder about leftists says
Those 2 did not come for nothing to the convent, they felt out the situation. pretty soon probably, they come back with a whole group, and take over the convent, I mean what are 10 nuns going to do.
And then before you know it, the convent is changed into a mosque
We read all about all the wild growth of mosques in Germany. nobody knows any more how many mosques there are in Germany. And may be the same will happen in all western countries.My hair i slowly standing up, when I hear and read everything and see those horrible pictures of Islam. They don’t want to integrate, never wanted to. They only came to conquer and live on our tax money in any case they can and to press us and convert us and if we don’t, we will get killed. We will get killed anyway. You stupid french, german, english, fins, swedes, danish, dutch, spanish, portugese, americans,australians, etc. governments.. `and then still having the arrogance to think “what y a good people you are” and calling us fascists, islamophobes, kafirs, vile people. You have hot nerves, you should have used those nerves when it was needed. I am out of civilised words.
Lydia says
The muslims are the ones going to hell.
They need to repent!
‘allah’ is lucifer!
islam is blasphemy!
Manny says
This is unacceptable. Throw them out of the country.
gravenimage says
France: Muslims enter convent, pray in Arabic during Vespers, tell nuns to convert to Islam or face hell
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Just appalling. These poor nuns.
More:
Then they wrote “Allahu akbar” in the guestbook and left. But don’t be concerned: the local imams says, “I went to see the young man after to explain to him that this is not how we do it.”
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How we do–what, exactly? Force the Infidels to submit to Islam?
If so, as noted, that is often even more threatening and violent than this disgusting incident.
More:
The facts date from last Friday at the time of Vespers.
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In other words, after Friday prayers at the Mosque. Attacks on Infidels is very common at this time, after Muslims have been fired up by Imams.
Despite Imam Abdelkrim Aïtelkaid’s demurring, was that the case here?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
A handful of twelfth century crusaders would have been handy in this situation as well.
gravenimage says
+1
rich says
Well, they didn’t rape or behead any of the nuns, so they must be “moderates” and this cannot be “terror-related./s
John Forbes says
IT SEEMS THE FRENCH ARE NO MORE INTERESTED IN CHRISTIANITY BE IT ROMAN CATHOLICISM OR ANY OTHER SECT JUST LIKE THE GERMANS!
FAR MORE MONEY SPENT ON RUBBISH THAN GOING TO CHURCH OR PUTTING ANYTHING IN A COLLECTION PATE FOR THE POOR OR ANYONE ELSE!
THERE HAVE BEEN PRIESTS WHO HAVE HAD THEIR THROAT CUT IN FRANCE & THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE DONE ABOUT THAT SO WHY THE SUPRISE?
Anne Smith says
All the French are interested in is making money out of whoever comes and conquers their country.
Proud Anti-Islam says
Not only France, but also Europe is going very deep in hell, because of those evil Muslims who want to dominate and kill innocent people.
Barbara R. Wilson says
Clueless Western leaders should rethink their immigration policies. Instead of allowing ANY Muslims into their countries, if they want to be helpful to refugees, fund their immigration to already Islamic nations. Those who have immigrated in the last ten years should be resettled in North Africa or other Muslim areas. It is obvious to any thinking person that the Muslims are now adding “peaceful” immigration to terrorism in their plan to take over the world for Islam. Their enslaved females are going to breed us out of existence. Wake up!
jehanne says
Apparently they were not interested in instant martyrdom and “heaven” — thankfully. Weird as this is terrorism would have much worse.
But these two Muslims telling us convert or go to hell, etc. I would say that is about as close as a Christian apologist can get to having a debate with ANYBODY of Islamic scholarship. They never will debate like on TV.
solange silverman says
Kind of ironic, since the Catholics have been telling people that for centuries, that they either convert or go to hell. They also tortured and killed people in the name of religion, especially Jews. They also taught hate. European and Western antisemitism comes from them and their accusations that the Jews killed Christ, when the ultimate decision was that of the Romans, but they couldn’t have that when Rome continued its empire under the guise of the Catholic Church. They could not be considered the bad guys, and, so, seeded Jew hatred to cover their own tracks. Islam and Catholicism are the only two religions that I know of that claim they are the one true religion. And, so, I can’t help but think that this is some sort of karma.
Joe Speziale says
Thank you for so openly expressing your Catholic-hatred. I think you covered all the lies-talking points. Well done.
jehanne says
“Kind of ironic, since the Catholics have been telling people that for centuries, that they either convert or go to hell.”
Is it ignorance or spite that causes you to say the preposterous? I suggest you take no more risks spewing your judgments.
Yes, the Catholic Church is made up of sinners, what choice did God have when choosing from humans? The treatment of Jews is truly sinful and sorrowful, but not in the hyperbole you describe it. And at least the Catholic Church has expressed its apologies by the popes on a number of occasions. It would be welcome, if not prudent, if other denominations might publicly admit their failures.
PS — not holding my breath with Islam, however.
LeftisruiningCanada says
The obvious difference being that you won’t find in the New Testament any urgings or injunctions to kill the unbelievers.
When self professed Christians commit evil acts they have the words of Christ to condemn them.
When self professed Muslims do the same things they have the words and life of muhammad to condone them.
It would be better if you started thinking more clearly about this stuff solange silverman.
Joe Speziale says
The sisters do not understand that giving permission to a Muslim to pray in their church permits them to claim the house for Islam, or amusallah. Expect them to be back: the two Muslims preached to them conversion to Islam: if they do not convert,…
We had a Muslim in Phoenix come to our traditional Catholic Church and try to insist to the little 5′ Dominican nun who confronted him that he wanted the church unlocked to allow him to pray in it. She refused because he asmitted he was not Christian. Even though he was a tall imposing fellow, she defied him, knowing about amusallah. He left. She did the right thing. He/they havent been back..yet.
By the way, the mosque he came from, subsequently, a few short years later, is the one that indoctrinated Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi, the two May, 2015 Garland, TX shooters who tried to assassinate Pamela Geller and Mr. Spencer.
Of course there is a connection.
Flo says
Now it’s the church, later on they will come to our houses and don’t ask but kill instantly no doubt…
FYI says
Convert to islam?
Why would any morally good,decent soul do something as stupid as that?
To allah..who “curses the Jews and the Christians” koran 9:30 with his commandment of God-violating koran?
To allah..the god of hate who does not subscribe to the Two Chief Commandments?
To allah..who tells his followers they are free to sin against God and break His Commandments and yet be rewarded in paradise..for doing.. EVIL?
This muslim rabble need to be prosecuted,fined and if possible,deported.
“They prayed in Arabic during Vespers”:To whom?To their moon god allah .
Of course such demonic prayers from the godless muslims are worthless anyway..and all that washing cannot cleanse their corrupted souls..and all that fasting at ramadam and praying towards mecca is so pointless:for there is no salvation in their cult!
LeftisruiningCanada says
The behavior of these two young guys sounds exactly like “how we do it”:
muhammad (peace will never be upon him) wrote letters to the surrounding kingdoms declaring the greatness of allah and inviting the rulers to islam.
When they refused, the military invasions began in earnest.
Making the verbal invitation along with the short written declaration of allahu akbar is a perfect small scale reproduction of their false prophets actions.
As said above, this may not be the end of the story.