Groups such as the National Federation of Free Thought (FNLP) are anything but free thinkers. Instead, they are cultlike; their followers operate like zombies, believing any propaganda preached to them and not questioning gross discrepancies such as this one:
In a bizarre turn of events, the group of “free thinkers” that fought to have a cross removed from public property in northwest France is now fighting to save a mosque.
“Human rights” for these far-left groups (such as the FNLP) generally center around anti-Christian and/or anti-Zionist drives, no matter how unjust; the abhorrent objectives, gross injustices and abuses perpetuated by jihadists and Islamic supremacists are their blind spots.
Despite the FNLP’s anticlerical slogan of “No gods, no masters!”, the group’s real animus is against Christianity rather than religion in general….Even overtly atheist groups have criticized the FNLP for its complacency toward Islam combined with a virulent hostility toward anything Christian.
It was because of Judeo-Christian principles that generally accepted understandings of human rights evolved and advanced; now those values are in decline due to the Islamization of the West and far-left water-carriers for the hijrah.
“French ‘Free Thinkers’ Who Denounced Christian Cross Now Plead for Islamic Mosque”, by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, November 20, 2017:
In a bizarre turn of events, the group of “free thinkers” that fought to have a cross removed from public property in northwest France is now fighting to save a mosque.
For years, the National Federation of Free Thought (FNLP) has been leading the legal battle for the removal of a monument to Pope John Paul II situated on public land in the Breton town of Ploërmel. The group proclaimed victory earlier this month when the French administrative court ordered the removal of the stone cross that surmounts the statue, saying it violated the secular nature of the state.
“Since the cross is a religious sign or emblem within the meaning of Article 28 of the Law of 9 December 1905 and its installation by the municipality does not fall into any of the exceptions provided by this article, its presence in a public location is contrary to this law,” the French court argued.
Now, however, the FNLP has come out in defense of the Muslim community of Clichy in the Parisian suburbs so they can maintain a mosque in the center of town rather than on a smaller premises outside the city center.
Taking the part of the Union of the Muslim Associations of Clichy (UAMC), the FNLP has come after the city mayor, Remi Muzeau, calling on him to reestablish the mosque in the heart of the town. The group also defended the Muslims’ right to pray out on the streets, something the mayor opposed.
Despite the FNLP’s anticlerical slogan of “No gods, no masters!”, the group’s real animus is against Christianity rather than religion in general. As one commentator has noted, the group’s true aim is not separation of Church and State but “purely and simply the disappearance of the Christian identity of France,” while at the same time defending Islam, “which enjoys a much greater tolerance from this association.”
Earlier this year, the FNLP similarly campaigned for Muslim students in Dijon, so they could receive substitute meals that respected their specific dietary practices. “As an institutional system that guarantees individual freedoms and the fundamental rights of individuals, secularism has never intended to present children with food that their families have taught them to view as unclean,” the group insisted.
Even overtly atheist groups have criticized the FNLP for its complacency toward Islam combined with a virulent hostility toward anything Christian. “Always vigilant concerning the intrusion of Catholicism into public affairs and its financing by public monies, the FNLP is much less attentive to Islam, where its reticence almost borders on muteness,” reads a statement from the site atheisme.org.
While battling against Catholic priests going about in clerical garb, the FNLP has always defended the rights of Muslim women to wear the burqa and niqab in public, the same group noted……
WorkingClassPost says
“No gods, no masters!”
The first part is true enough, for their actions demonstrate their Godless nature, but they may soon find that they have a new master, and one who will far be less forgiving and generous than the one they have turned their back on.
Charles says
They are “free thinkers” in name only. I disavow their group…as a self described free thinker myself.
mortimer says
They are actually not ‘free’ thinkers, but in reality they are ‘MARXIST’ thinkers. The Bolsheviks also promoted an Islamic-Marxist alliance while vehemently attacking the Russian church.
Once Christians were neutralized under the Bolsheviks, once thousands of churches were turned into stables and factories and storage barns, and thousands of Christian clergy assassinated or sent to prisons, they began to de-legitimize Islam. Whole Muslim populations, towns and regions were uprooted and sent to Siberia.
This is a temporary detour before returning to the road of Marxism, atheism and totalitarianism.
max w says
The red green alliance is alive and well in France I see.
Jaladhi says
Why are these far left “Christian” idiots shilling for Muslims??
Jaladhi says
Question is if these people, FNLP, are Christians, atheists, or anybody else? They are certainy not Muslims or are they in their thinking?
mortimer says
Jaladhi asked if they are Muslims in their thinking.
No. You are seeing the RED-GREEN AXIS of EVIL at work. They are Marxists allied with anti-Christian invaders.
James says
These people are anti-Christian. Not Christian. Support Islam = “Ecrasez l’infame”.
Benedict says
“Birds of a feather flock together.”
Islam could very well mutate into an umbrella organization for everything hateful of Jews and Christians, if that’s not what it already is.
epistemology says
Exactly, they only intend to destroy our Judeo-Christian culture.
mortimer says
Correct. They have destroyed the Jews in France (they are leaving or planning to leave), then they will destroy Christianity in France, then they will turn on the Muslims and betray them last.
blitz2b says
@motimer,…. ” …then they will turn on the Muslims and betray them last….”
… and that will be their folly. No force on the planet has ever managed to completely subdue the evil ideology of Islam, after it has established itself in a nation.
Christianity does not focus on attaining earthly power over and establishing governments, as Christ emphasised “… my kingdom is not of this world…”
Islam on the other hand is all about conquest of lands and essentially the whole planet fire Allah and subjugation and humiliation of the ones that will not submit.
Therefore a Muslim will fight with more fervor and zeal to accomplish the agenda outlined in the Koran than a Christian would for Christ. So where Christians would surrender their lands and property after oppression, Muslims will fight to the bitter end producing more and more ” warriors” for the cause of Allah.
That is the reason that the Russians were never able to completely defeat the rebels in Afghanistan…
Consequently, Europe once in the grip of Islam will always remain Islamic.
Wellington says
Those who will not fight real evil, so very often either make up fantasy evils, e.g., white nationalists in our time described as the real problem and not Muslim terrorists, or actually defend real evil at the expense of something not evil at all, e.g., Germans and many non-Germans during the 1920’s and early 1930’s castigating the Weimar Republic (which though, of course, far from perfect was still infinitely preferable to what came after it, and even though it produced some very competent politicians struggling under dire conditions and one outstanding human being, Gustav Stresemann) and adulating Adolf Hitler and his fellow Nazis as good for Germany, Europe in general and all the world.
Same thing going on now, as you noted, epistemology. What is good and sane is denounced as bad. What is malevolent is defended as something sapient. Indeed, Judeo-Christian civilization, which is to say Western Civilization, including those magnificent (though flawed) extraordinary people, the ancient Greeks, the very civilization which pioneered far more freedoms than any other civilization remotely has, is now “the bad guy” and the Islamic world, desultory, parasitical, violence-prone and freedom-crushing world that it is, still gets a pass time and time again by Western intellectuals who are well educated in that “special way” that betokens the most harmful stupidity of all. As George Orwell observed, some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals could come up with them. Like decrying the Christian cross but “plugging” for a mosque.
Madness, my friend, as I know you know. Time for a beer and a work by Chopin, alcohol and music being yet two other examples of Islam getting things butt backwards. Stay well.
Santa Voorhees says
So, a cross violates the secular nature of the country, yet a mosque doesn’t?
WorkingClassPost says
That might not be as weird as it at first seems.
Remember that a mosk has nothing to do with what we in the West would call religion…
Goutam says
The objective of the pseudo-liberal mafia syndicate is similar everywhere. Continuously denigrate, belittle, ridicule the native civilisation of any country; threaten the law-abiding citizens to an extent that people feel afraid to speak and celebrate their own culture. Cause extensive decay to democratic principles, convert the country into a failed state where only a few “privileged circles” will enjoy all rights and rest of the populace will toil like slaves to fund the endless perversion of left-liberal scoundrels.
And the modus operandi is also quite similar. Piggy back on shoulders of Jihadi cannibals, use their grotesque violence as an effective shield against any protest raised from democratic societies, always mollycoddle the barbarians in the name of freedom-of-speech.
When in Europe, eulogise Islamic barbarism and demonise Christianity.
When in Burma, eulogise Islamic barbarism and demonise Buddhism.
When in India, eulogise Islamic barbarism and demonise Hinduism.
When in US, eulogise Islamic barbarism and demonise Christianity + Judaism.
Jaladhi says
The biggest problem is the support of Western media, academia and political leaders to these murderers. The zest for political correctness and diversity(whatever that is) has made them blind to see the true nature of Islam and Muslims. This is no secret – just look at the Muslim history of last 1400 years and how they have done genocide of native people wherever they have invaded – Asia, Africa, Europe. A toll of about 370 million non-Muslims has resulted from the Muslim invasions. And now the PC liberals of the West think that the same Muslims are going to behave differently. No the present day Muslims will behave exactly the same way as their ancestors did in earlier times just let them grow their population by any means – conversion and unlimited birth rate. The West is in for a very rude awaking, nothing good has ever come from Muslim invasions.
St. Manuel II Palaiologos says
No will to power, means atheism is ripe for the Islamic plucking while they bash and dismantle Christianity.
Charles says
Everywhere, all over the world, lunatic Leftists AND their Communist Pals are siding with the murdering, raping Jihadists!
It is the Horror of the “End Times”!
Satan (allah) knows his time is short and is trying to deceive the entire World.
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Jay says
They focused on opposing Christianity, so now, when the most virulent enemies of Christians come into France, what do they do? They support them. This is natural. And it is incredibly stupid and suicidal. Freethinking is not tolerated for 30 seconds under Islam.
Angemon says
Filthy, dirty commies, each and every one of them.
Stan Lee says
For those “French”, anything but Christianity (and Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism)) will do….even if it’s Islam. Actually, France must be teeming with anti-Judeo-Christians, but lobbying for Muslim mosques? Such people are insane!
If mosques were in every square mile of France, these French religion haters would quickly be brought to a reality of Islam. Anyone who doesn’t abide by Islam’s rules would not be left to live in separation of Islam,
they would be punished to the full extent of Islam’s rules as “apostates.”
Islam would temporarily tolerate Communists in its midst, until the time that Islam would declare itself as “the religion” of France, after which Communists would be snuffed out, or banished. Islam is hard and fast about deviation of its doctrine. It cannot afford any free thought.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
They have confused “contrarian thinking” with “free thinking.”
Again, the political Left and their arrogance and intellectual laziness. These people think they are leading-edge when in fact they are just old fashioned iconoclasts.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
their cherishing of Islamic values is the function of being rational. Filthy Christianity is irrational as worship of the Satan (Holy Spirit) the cursed one .
Wellington says
Just keep posting, Ibrahim. Yes indeed, just keep posting.
In your own way you reveal Islam for the heinous (and stupid) ideology it is, even more so often times than those of us who understand that Mo’s creed is a disgrace and more than a disgrace
So, by all means, Ibrahim, just keep posting. You’re doing great work in the cause of freedom by your revealing just how mean, petty, disgraceful, desultory, mendacious, foolish and destructive Mohammedanism is.
Karen says
FNLP = ACLU.
Both organizations oppose the intrusion of religion in the public square, but only if that religion is Christianity.
Lydia says
This just goes to show what happens when they abandon the cross.
Also, this I have noticed; atheist related groups that claim to either hate religion or want ‘freedom from religion’ do not apply this goal in an equal and abstract sense or within reasonable limits of variation. No, but rather they attack any symbol of Christianity with a vehemence while leaving all other religions alone for the most part, and now even are fighting to defend a mosque, of all things bizarre.
It is the same with countries hostile to Christianity, they started out communist or whatever but it is always the Christians for sure who are targeted. It is always interesting to note also what they want to try to pressure them to say! You’d think atheists would not give a flying cow what Christians profess, but they all have some psychotic passion to try to get them to denounce Christ. It happens across all cultures, nations, belief systems, etc.
And well said, yes the Judeo-Christian beliefs have civilized society and brought us many good things, while the opposite has brought us… well…. the opposite.
narahari says
I am looking for the day when Muslims and Communists slug it out. Who will win?
MFritz says
Well, both are totalitarian ideologies and both try to rally the masses to achieve their goals. Muslims breed more but communists try to involve science to “improve” society. Whereas islam will burn any book and forbid any science because it doesn’t comply with the “Word of Allah”.
So the ‘slims may have more soldiers in the end, but the commies the better strategy and weapons. If they can ever get them produced in any proper quantity and quality I mean. 😉
Besides, the commies must fully understand beforehand that “all people are equal” does not apply to an ideological enemy, that will never ever want to coexist in peace with you – especially because of your inherent atheism.
MFritz says
Maybe the “Free Thinkers” should live a couple of years in a majority muslim country? Might give them an insight.
gbdz_2 says
“No gods but Allah, no masters but the Prohet (PBUH)”
Now it is accurate.
Barnaby says
If anyone had bothered to actually look into this story you’d see that the free thinkers are in fact trying to uphold the principal of secularism in the country. They’re not trying to save a mosque, they’re supporting the right of the muslim group to buy the mosque and run their own affairs. Currently the mosque is owned by the local mairie, which means it is in conflict with the country’s secular values as that constitutes state help for a cult. The free-thinkers want the mairie to stop supporting the muslim association and allow them the right to run their own affairs. As for the cross, it’s a question of secularism in a public space. I personally disagree with them as it doesn’t bother me, but they are nonetheless merely trying to ensure the equal application of the 1905 law on secularism.
Politicianphobia says
So happy to see I bra him posting and taking time out from thighing some sweet, little girl.
Savvy Kafir says
As an actual freethinker — one who hasn’t drunk the Kool-Aid of political correctness — I find this sort of thing really bizarre.
Fortunately, there are a few prominent atheists & agnostics — such as Pat Condell, Sam Harris, the late Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher, & Ayaan Hirsi Ali — who are very critical of Islam.
UNCLE VLADDI says
SHARIA SPECIFICALLY CRIMINALIZES “FREE-THINKING” AND “FREE-THINKERS!”
There’s criminals in every religion, but in islam, the “holy” people are what everyone else sees as criminals, and the only “criminals” are the honest people who notice it and mention it!
From The Hedaya, Volume II, Book XXI, Chapter 2, P.#687-89:
*The testimony is not admissible of free-thinkers, if they avow their sentiments:*
“THE evidence of a person who openly inveighs against the companions of the prophet and their disciples is not admissible, because of his apparent want of integrity. — It is otherwise, however, where a person conceals his sentiments in regard to them, because in such case the want of integrity is not apparent.”
i.e: YOU CAN ONLY CRITICIZE MOE’S COMPANIONS, OR EVEN THEIR DISCIPLES, IN PRIVATE, AND BE SEEN AS HONEST, IN ISLAM; SPEAKING OUT IN PUBLIC FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE MEANS YOU “HAVE NO INTEGRITY!” THIS MEANS SOMEONE INCAPABLE OF LYING, OR OF KEEPING OPINIONS QUIET, IS HELD TO BE DISHONEST! (INCAPABLE OF CONCEALING ANY CRIMES)! ISLAM: IMAGE OVER REALITY, FICTION OVER FACT! LIES OVER TRUTH! HONESTY IS DESCRIBED AS INSANITY IN SHARIA!
;-(
Besides, Why not simply send all pre-determinedly “insane” criminals to pshrinks?!
After all, to liberals, there’s no such thing as criminals or crimes, because we’re all really only helpless victims (of society; products of our environments, and slave of allah)!
EXACTLY LIKE ISLAM “TEACHES” (abuses people with), the idea of self-reliant personal free-will choice and consequences is a dangerous illusion which, if believed, indicates one is mentally ill.
People are only robotic effects of complex causes beyond their control and understanding – so it’s far better to SUBMIT to inevitable failure like muslims do!
This “predetermined, extortive force” excuse is always the main alibi of all criminals (“liberals;” “muslims”) everywhere anyway!
And getting these victim-blaming, reverse-onus excuses enshrined into “law” is what they both call “PROGRESS!