Ibn Warraq, ex-Muslim, author of Why I Am Not a Muslim, The Origins of the Koran, The Quest for the Historical Muhammad, and Defending the West, and many other important books, says this:
“Robert Spencer has been telling, and warning, us of the activities of the jihadists since 2003. Every single day he has kept a vigilant eye on all the barbarisms of the Islamic terrorists. On so many sad occasions when he was not taken seriously enough, Spencer was forced to remind us, ‘I told you so.’ It is time to listen to Robert Spencer.”
But why were these warnings not heeded? Find out in Confessions of an Islamophobe. Preorder your copy here now.
Keys says
It’s time to listen to Robert Spencer, indeed !
It is past time for many countries, especially those who have banned his entry, or who are over run with muslim immigrants.
And for Stanford it is time to hear him again as Chair of the Department of Islamophobia.
roger woodhouse says
The ‘truth’is being supressed here in the UK.The left dominate the MSM.The ignorant masses are being lied to on a massive scale.I fear that its too late for a peacefull outcome.The political establishment are clinging onto power at the expence of the people here and dissent is being crushed financialy .They are living in a state of denial because once the electorate becomes informed of the danger they face from Islam action will be demanded and a radical solution found.Leftwing politicians will then have to admit their gross negligence and face anhialation at the polls.This of course is not what either party in Westminster want as that would upset the cartel which passes for democracy here.Hence the denial continues.
Jules Daniels says
Roger Woodhouse, That is exactly what is happening here. I am from the US and living in the UK 7 years now. There are no words for what is happening in the UK, but such a sense of loss and sadness for this great country.
Rich says
Time to GTFO of there and come home..
Older Canadian says
Only the truth will set you free. Not my words but….wish I was so wise.
Ren says
It would utterly be wise to listen to Robert Spencer!
Kasey says
Certainly listen closely to what Robert says, and also to Ayyan Hirsi Ali, Dr Wafa Sultan, Nonnie Darwish and Pat Condell for the real truth about the drive for supremacy, discrimination and lethal violence of Islam.
eduardo odraude says
And Douglas Murray (The Strange Death of Europe) and Mark Durie (The Third Choice) and David Wood (tons of brilliant videos).
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Ibn warraq is an imaginary personality as part of filthy christian Propaganda. The books he claimed to have authored are non-existant. He is like low IQ Alrasooli who claimed that he is an ex-Muslim from Iraq, but he could not even read Islamic books in Arabic. idiot!!
David Anderson says
https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/134-5513577-7884001?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ibn+warraq
Benedict says
Eloquent comment!
Keys says
+1.
Makes a liar of Ibrahim Itace Mohammad without a word.
Shirley says
Brilliant David Anderson, well done…….it certainly does make a liar out of that moslem, but what’s new there??
Davegreybeard says
@itace:
“Ibn warraq is an imaginary personality as part of filthy christian Propaganda.”
The first book I ever read about your gutter religion was “Why I Am Not a Muslim” by Ibn Warrak.
You seem a little cranky itace, Infidels reading about Islam got you down?
gravenimage says
🙂
gravenimage says
Blithering idiot Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Ibn warraq is an imaginary personality as part of filthy christian Propaganda. The books he claimed to have authored are non-existant. He is like low IQ Alrasooli who claimed that he is an ex-Muslim from Iraq, but he could not even read Islamic books in Arabic. idiot!!
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Well, this is just bizarre. Ibn Warraq is a pen name, which the author openly has said. Given the danger to apostates from Islam, this should not surprise. IQ al Rassooli is also a pen name, and for the same reason.
But the claim that his books do not exist is just absurd–I have read his work myself. You can buy his books here:
https://www.amazon.com/Ibn-Warraq/e/B001JPADHK
Has Ibrahim itace muhammed completely lost touch with reality at this point? Wait..you don’t need to answer that question…
jayell says
How interesting. So, since Mr. Warraq is ‘imaginary’, he clearly does not exist, therefore ‘he’ cannot possibly make any ‘claims’ since he does not exist to make them, and reference to any ‘books’ that ‘he’ might be ‘claiming’ must be equally spurious as would any hypothesising as to the condition of cleanliness of these illusory ‘books’. The problem here is that there must be many extant persons who have actually physically encountered Mr. Warraq who would testify that he does, in fact, exist and that the books that he might claim to have written do actually exist and are in a perfectly clean condition both physically and metaphorically.
Any reference to a person named Alrasooli seems to be extraneous since we are not given information regarding this other person for the purposes of comparison, and since we are apparently being asked to compare this second person with an ‘imaginary’ Mr. Warraq, who cannot ipso fact exist, the whole exercise would appear to be utterly pointless.
The point about ‘not being able to read Islamic books in arabic’ might be somewhat dubious since written arabic is a notoriously inaccurate language, and if we are talking about, say, reading the Qu’ran (which has a vocabulary of less than 2,000 words) in English translation (the English langauge has more than 240,000 words), then a competent English translation might actually convey the sense with a greater degree of accuracy
Finally, casting aspersions on anyone’s presumed Intelligence Quotient without providing any acceptable evidence is an entirely redundant exercise which might however be taken as evidence of an unsatisfactory Intelligence Quotient score on the part of the person making such allegations. Do you get my point, Mr Muhammad? Would you care to provide a properly informed and reasoned response, as you would seem not to have done yet with regards to a previous post on the subject of islamic/Christian sexual propriety?
roger woodhouse says
Jayell I thin k you will have a very long wait for a reply(sensible or otherwise)from our friend itace.Hes your typical hit and run Muslim of the old school not up to debating with non muslims .He should stick to brainwashing his own kind of which there still remains far too many.
IanB says
We cannot expect Mr “mohammed” to understand logic. His brainless posts show rational thought is beyond him. Logic is anathema to Islam.
Jayell says
That’s what I’m expecting. I’ve seen more intellect in the graffiti outside Millwall football ground than in Mr Muhammed’s little essays here. So the predictable silence will continue to speak reams, as indeed it has already.
Jules Daniels says
Lol, you guys are not to be trifled with!!
Tracy Stokes says
Bravo!
gravenimage says
Jayell, IQ Al-Rasooli is another brave Muslim apostate–he often posts here–who uses a pen name out of necessity for his safety.
Eur says
Are they also imaginary magrebies that I know and that admit not to be believers but that they have to hide because they are afraid? It’s amazing how arrogant you are.
Gyomza says
I believe that comments from the likes of Itace are important as example of ‘see but not seeing, hear but not perceiving’ because of spiritual wax in the ears, scales in the eyes and a stony heart that is set on deceit.
gravenimage says
I think they are important because they expose the Muslim mind set.
roger woodhouse says
Ah the classic Islamist reply.Lieing to the masses is what Islamists do.They work on the tired old assumption that no ond has taken the trouble to read their ‘works manuel’In fact its the majority of muslims who have never read it.Had they bothered to they would have found out just what a pile of horseshit it is and be ashamed of themselves for being hoodwinked by their parents and so called ‘scholars’of that evil cult.
mortimer says
OK Ibrahim, let’s see you debate either IQ Rasooli or Ibn Warraq. They will bet you in a minute in debate.
Here you go again with your two favorite, inconclusive fallacies: 1) ad hominem and 2) excluding relevant evidence. Neither works… they are distractions… like throwing sand in the eyes of a person.
You’re a typical Muslim debater, Ibrahim. You present speculative, unreferenced, unsupported guesses as your own cocksure, personal ‘facts’ and then dismiss as irrelevant all the carefully presented, referenced, material confirmed by science, textual analysis, history and moral theology. Your method is a trick and you are a trickster. Ibrahim, don’t you realize you are making a bad impression of Muslims as lazy, careless and arrogant? You are doing harm here by trying to debate with those who have a solid knowledge of the Islamic source texts. You are turning people off Islam by your disregard for solid scholarship.
mortimer says
correction: the will BEAT you in a minute…
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
“Of the many experts of Islam that I had on my show, you are at the top of the list.” – Dr. Gad Saad, PhD (to Ibn Warraq)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7U_QlIrTgI
JawsV says
You’re filthy, Muslim. And, it’s spelled “non-existent,” like Allah. Non-existent.
Bob says
Far be it from me to suggest that you know little or nothing about the history between the USA and Islamci nations, societies or culture. But let me suggest the following for reference regarding both Islam and its earliest relationship with the USA. Consider of course that the USA developed a navy in direct response to the Islamic states on the Barbary Coasts. But hey let the websites speak for themselves
These are several different statements and background regarding early relationship with Islamic nations. http://captainjamesdavis.net/2015/02/05/thomas-jefferson-and-john-adams-explain-why-muslims-turn-to-terrorism/
The actual letter between Jefferson and John Jay including the reason given for requiring either tribute, conversion or war between the US and Tripoli. https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-09-02-0315
Now below are various statements from Islamic texts and Islamic imams that readily demonstrate that Islam is neither tolerant nor peaceful in relationship with other worldviews.
Qur’an (8:39) – “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran
Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Suras 9 and 5 are the last “revelations” that Muhammad handed down – hence abrogating what came before, which includes the oft-quoted verse 2:256 –“Let there be no compulsion in religion…”.
Qur’an (9:5) “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them…” Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat. See below. Islam sanctions violence as a means of coercing religion.
Qur’an (9:11) – (Continued from above) “But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion” This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.
Quran (9:56-57) – “And they swear by Allah that they are most surely of you, and they are not of you, but they are a people who are afraid (of you). If they could find a refuge or cave or a place to enter into, they would certainly have turned thereto, running away in all haste.” This refers to people living among Muhammad’s own people who may not be true believers, but have to pretend to be in order to survive. They have no safe refuge to which to escape the Muslims. If Islam were a religion of peace, then why the fear?
Qur’an (2:193) – “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.” The key phrase is to fight until “religion be only for Allah.”
Qur’an (3:83) – “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and the earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” So much for the earlier verse (2:256) stating that there is “no compulsion in religion”.
From the Hadith:
Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat.” The first part of this condition is the Shahada, or profession of faith in Islam. Violence is sanctioned until the victims embrace Muhammad’s religion.
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them” Osama bin Laden echoes this order from his prophet: “Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam … . Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.” (source: The al-Qaeda Reader p. 19-20)
Bukhari (8:387) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.’”
Bukhari (53:392) – “While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, “Let us go to the Jews” We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, “If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle.”
Bukhari (2:24) – “Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”
Bukhari (60:80) – “The Verse:–‘You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.’ means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.”
Bukhari (60:40) – “…:And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah).” ‘Affliction’ of Muslims is explicitly defined here being a condition in which others worship a different god other than Allah. Muslims are commanded to use violence to ‘rectify’ the situation.
Bukhari (59:643) – “Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!” Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition with the mission of destroying a local religion in Yemen.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959 – Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. The text goes on to say that Khalid taught the al-Harith about Islam after their “conversion,” proving that it was based on fear of slaughter rather than a free and intelligent decision.
Skeptic Sam says
I think allah is the imaginary one no?
JawsV says
Yes. Muhammed is Allah. Islam’s all a big con invented by a 7th century sociopath Arabian.
As Nonie Darwish notes in her book “Wholly Different” (2017):
“Whenever Muhammed changed his mind, Allah also changed his mind.” (p.17)
eduardo odraude says
I’ve read two of Ibn Warraq’s books, and they were excellent.
gravenimage says
Ibn Warraq: “It is time to listen to Robert Spencer”
…………………….
Hear, hear!
Benedict says
And it is time to read Ibn Warraq.
Samuel Barthis says
Ibrahim itace Muhammad, I am not too sure if are a goon or a comedian but surely on the face value of your pronouncement you have either not understood the Qur’an or if you have critical skills in deciphering Arabic. Ibn Warraq and other critiques of Islam and the Qur’an viz.Luxenberg, Minanga, etc. are only the tip of the proverbial iceberg that you have to contend with before you can be taken seriously. Right now you are exhorted to go and worship and thereafter go to your planning committees to foment crime against humanity
mortimer says
Agree. With fallacious Muslim ‘argument’ like that of Ibrahim, what rational person would take Muslims seriously?
It is no more than a series of ad hominems joined together without any references or defense. It is indeed like a mental patient railing against his doctors and nurses in an angry delusional outburst of rage.
IanB says
We cannot expect Mr “mohammed” to understand logic. His brainless posts show rational thought is beyond him. Logic is anathema to Islam.
duh swami says
It’s time to listen to Robert Spencer’…
I’m way ahead of the curve on that one…I have been reading and listening and posting here since 03…My how time flies when you’e having fun…
JawsV says
’04. Long since time.
gravenimage says
I discovered Jihad Watch in ’06. Just a newbie compared to you guys. 🙂
JawsV says
Remember Dhimmi Watch before Robert included it with Jihad Watch? If you remember Dhimmi Watch you’ve definitely got JW credentials!
eduardo odraude says
I remember Dhimmi Watch, now that you mention it.
tgusa says
Yes, I always wondered what happened to DW as it had great info.
tgusa says
After 9-11 I went searching for answers and I happened upon Daniel Pipes and through that I found JW and Robert Spencer. At that time I had no idea what was going on within islam. Long ago I knew they were violent but I had no idea of their intentions, I thought the troubles wee local. I had no idea what was going on within islam back then, but I do now.
JawsV says
tgusa, Spencer merged Dhimmi Watch with Jihad Watch.
Same for me after 9/11. I knew nothing about Islam. I was going, “What the f***?” when it happened. I knew nothing, absolutely nothing. I had never heard of the word Jihad. I knew the women were treated horribly by the men and had to walk around in black hefty bags and produce a gazillion kids but that’s about it. Then in ’04 someone turned me on to JW and I started to learn about rotten Islam and Jihad.
Due to our wholesale ignorance about Islam and Jihad we were sitting ducks on 9/11.
dumbledoresarmy says
2007, here. Found Jihadwatch late in 2006, around the same time as the Hezbollah-Israel war (I was googling for Jacques Ellul’s book “Un Chretien Pour Israel” to see if I could find it in print anywhere so as to get a copy, because I remembered it had a brilliant dissection of the anti-Israel propaganda that was the ‘coverage’ of the Lebanon war 1970s-1982; in so doing, I came upon Bat Yeor’s “dhimmitude” website, because it had a copy of Ellul’s essay on Jihad that he wrote for one of Bat Yeor’s books; and Bat Yeor had a link to *jihadwatch*, upon which I clicked… and here I am, still, ten years later – I *read* from late 2006, but took a pen-name and started *commenting* in April 2007).
John Forbes says
THE DENIAL IS STRONG & EVIDENT IN ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WEST & THERE IS A SOLID DETERMINATION TO LABEL ANYONE WHO SAYS THERE ARE ISSUES AS A FASCIST OR A NAZI.
THE LEFT HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AT VILLIFYING ANYONE WHO OPPOSES THIS IDEOLOGY & LABELING THEM AS FASCISTS.
THE TRUTH AS WE KNOW IN THIS ECHO CHAMBER IS THAT ISLAM IS THE NEW OR NEW TO THE WEST FASCISM!
I HAVE NO IDEA AS HOW TO RING THIS BELL ANY LOUDER AS GOVERNMENTS ARE ALSO ON THE SIDE OF ISLAM & ARE ENACTING BLASPHEMY LAWS AS WELL!
THE POTENTIAL HORRORS ARE ALSO BEING DENIED & COVERED UP AS THE MUSLIM CHILD RAPING CONTINUES ALL VER THE UK & NOW THERE ARE ACCUSATIONS OF TORTURE WITH “TASERS” AS WELL!
IF THERE IS ANY FURTHER WAY TO IGNITE INTEREST & AWARENESS PLEASE ADVISE !!
mortimer says
John, fact-based reasoning is going to win.
eduardo odraude says
John, are you in the UK?
Can anyone suggest a non-fascist, non-extreme, Islam-critical group for John to join in the UK?
dumbledoresarmy says
Gavin Boby’s “Law and Freedom Foundation”. Both information *and* intelligent, law-abiding activism in, for example, opposing the buiding of mosques.
tgusa says
Better late than never I suppose.
jewdog says
I’m always dumbfounded when people ridicule those scholars, like Ibn Warraq, who come from an Islamic background and know it intimately, and are clearly decent and brilliant, as somehow defective, or bigoted or you name it. They even ridicule Ayaan Hirsi Ali – so arrogant and ignorant!