On October 21, Jihad Watch brought you the news of an event in Minnesota called “Exposing Sharia and the Deception of Islam,” that had been canceled by the venue where it was supposed to be held. I just received this email from one of the organizers, explaining what happened next. Please contact the Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch and politely and courteously register disapproval of their Sharia compliance and persecution of Gary Froiland for calling attention to unwelcome and unpopular truths.
I wrote to Bob Bardwell and Tracy Bashore and asked them these questions:
1. Can you confirm that Gary Froiland was a Board member of Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch?
2. Can you confirm that he was fired for his role in the “Exposing Sharia” event?
3. Do you believe that criticism of jihad terror and the oppression that is justified under Islamic law (Sharia) ought to be off-limits? If so, do you believe the same thing about criticism of Christianity? If not, why did you consider it necessary to fire Mr. Froiland?
Bardwell did not answer. Bashore confirmed that Gary Froiland had been on the Ironwood Springs Board but declined comment on anything else. Here is the email I received from Gary Froiland:
Thank you for your article sharing the dilemma about our event in Rochester, Minnesota to have Usama Dakdok speak. I am Gary Froiland, one of the guys helping with this event, and I am the one who designed the poster.
After a pastor who promised us his church backed out the night before the event to have Usama Dakdok speak this past spring in Rochester, we planned to attempt it again in the fall with the American Legion. That should be a patriotic place to have an educational speaker explain why Sharia is not compatible with our constitution. But they too backed out of the contract and gave us our money back after they received pressure from the Sheriff’s department. So we tried the Stewartville Sportsman’s Club.
That’s where your article picked up. We had just covered the town of Stewartville putting door hanging sleeves on nearly every house in town, containing the brochure “Islam in a Nutshell, Peaceful or Violent?” which includes the “Growth of Islam” chart by Bill Warner (Center for the Study of Political Islam). That’s when the Rochester Post Bulletin discovered the door hangings, and the Stewartville Sportsman Club backed out of their contract. Our team met with their board, but without convincing them to let us use their facility.
But we were not about to give up. Next I took my turn to rent a facility. The Cascade Town Hall just north of Rochester was suggested. I rented it as a “Pre-Halloween Family Event”, and added that I would be playing music. (you can type in Gary Froiland in YouTube and see some of my One-Man-Band videos). So we were able to rent the facility. We emailed people three hours before the event to give them the location, hoping that would keep protesters away. About 80 people came!
Late afternoon before the event, after Usama had arrived, he called the Rochester Post Bulletin and invited them to interview him. They jumped at that opportunity for a good story, but didn’t stay long enough to hear the heart of the message, but interviewed him, took some pictures and left. That was Sunday night, October 29th.
The next day the article came out with the front page news. Overall, it was a quite honest article. My name, Gary Froiland, is mentioned in the article, since I was the one who had rented the hall. They made it sound like I deceived them when renting, because I never mentioned we’d have a speaker, but that it was a “Pre-Halloween Family Event (the paper called it a “party”). The event was to start at 6 pm, and those invited were told that I would play music at 5:30 pm for those who came early. That I did, and then closed my half hour by leading everyone in the pledge of allegiance, and had a prayer. Then Usama did his nearly 3-hour presentation.
Now the story continues: Monday the article came out in the Post Bulletin, and my boss read it. My name was in the article, and when I got to work the next morning (at Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch, www.ironwoodsprings.com), the boss (Tracy Bashore) met me first thing and fired me for my involvement in an exposing Islam event. So I was out of a job because of our attempt at Freedom of Speech.
I was on the board of that Christian Ranch for 20 years, and the last four years have been a full-time employee. A job opening came up at Ironwood and they hired me for that position in June of 2013. As an employee, I cannot be a board member, so I went off the board at that time. So since June of 2013 I have worked full time at Ironwood.
Bob Bardwell (bob@ironwoodsprings.com) had founded the Ranch in 1976, and even though he’s very involved every day there, he gave the job of Director to Tracy Bashore (tracy@ironwoodsprings.com). It was Tracy and other liberal employees at the Ranch who had a problem with my involvement with exposing Islam, and now that I was more public with it, he made sure it cost me my job. So I guess I don’t have any freedom of speech either.
A week before that, it was my turn to lead in devotions at the Ironwood Staff meeting (we have one on Tuesday mornings and Friday mornings). I had my devotions on Ephesians 6:12 and focused my talk and PowerPoint on Islam and how many of our brothers and sisters are being beheaded for their faith, and some of them praying “Oh Lord, let us be shot”, because they are awaiting execution by beheading, and are praying to die by gunshot instead. The devotions exposed Islam for those on staff who were ignorant. However, there are several liberals working there, and they were very vocal after my devotions about my “Hate” speech.
Tracy related how the Ranch has a good reputation in the community and some Muslims visit the Ranch from time to time, and he doesn’t want to insult them. So with my controversial devotions, and then a week later, my name in the paper having helped make the Usama Dakdok event happen, that was the last straw and cost me my job.
I thought you might be interested in hearing “The Rest of the Story”, so there you have it. I certainly lost my freedom of speech besides losing my job, but I would do it again. My desire is to be a patriot, and cleanse the path that our children will take from evil that lurks. If you want to talk personally to Bob Bardwell or Tracy Bashore, I included their emails above, and the main office phone number of Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch is 507-533-4315.
PATRICIA FRANCES KOENIG says
Islam is theologically and violently opposed to Christianity. Christian organizations should never defend Islam! It is the GLOBALISTS-NWO-Illuminati-Freemason-Secret Societies that are promoting and protecting Islam.
Emilie Green says
A local pastor,
a local American Legion post,
Stewartville Sportsman Club,
Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch,
Well, looks like we’ve got enough contestants for this year’s Profile in Putty award.
They’re all winners!
mortimer says
The Heckler’s Veto was defined by an American judge as : “… an IMPERMISSIBLE content-based RESTRICTION on speech where the speech is prohibited due to an ANTICIPATED DISORDERLY or VIOLENT reaction of the audience.”
Raymond says
And yet such very speech occurs within the mosques across the United States of America, resulting in acts of terrorism (which, if I am not mistaken, is a violent reaction), and appears to be completely exempt from an IMPERMISSIBLE RESTRICTION due to an ANTICIPATED DISORDERLY or VIOLENT reaction of the audience.
It would be wonderful if the COEXIST mantra were possible, but that would be completely dependent upon everyone sharing the same world view (or at least world views that are tolerant of other world views, which ISLAM is not). But the naive application of the principles of COEXIST, and the tendencies to cast all sensibilities aside, by the liberal left, serves only to make us all vulnerable to our own destruction. As history has already taught us, declaring PEACE IN OUR TIME neither makes it so or engenders safety upon a society.
Promoting ignorance (largely by persons who have never read a single word of what the Quran instructs believers to do, which should outrage any thinking person), rather than applying one’s self to even a limited study, actually supports SHARIA, and is an incredible act of imbecility that endangers us all.
Brian Braaten says
Very sad day when all these American Veteran occupied or even veteran managed organizations cow down to islam!! LOOK at how many of our Courageous SOLDIERS Bled , died or worse came home MAIMED for life for our country!! Is this the way these Places are going to treat our FREE SPEECH ??? WOW<<< cant believe they call themselves Americans or Sportsmen or Christians!!!! What a true disgrace for America!!! I sure think a lot different about all those organizations now!!
mortimer says
We are seeing the ‘Islamic heckler’s veto’ in Western society. No one wishes to become a target of terrorism. Any public meeting in which Islamic terrorism is objectively discussed may become a target for Islamic terrorists. At the minimum, the organizers will become the targets of criticism by virtue-signalling politicians who pander to the Islamic vote.
The purpose of discriminatory Sharia blasphemy law is to shut down discussion about the intellectual and moral problems and errors within Islam through terrorism.
The terrorists achieve their aim when Westerners give in without a whimper.
The only way to fight Islam is to build armed patriotic clubhouses surrounded by barbed wire fences, similar to jail or military compounds. In that way, patriots can assemble without the fire of jihad attacks and exercise their freedom of speech and their freedom of assembly.
Pere LaChaise says
I know of an Orthodox Christian priest, the Very Reverend Josiah Trenham, who spoke in public on the topic of Islam and its threat on several occasions over the last couple years. Despite the fact that he is not an expert in the topic and apparently cadged his material from Bat Ye’or and Ibn Warraq and others in a not very original way, he is well received and paid wherever he speaks thus. He spoke in an Antiochian Church in Chicago and elsewhere, alll well- publicized events where to my knowledge no threats were registered and no one was disciplined for holding them.
A cursory search of the internet will discover many recordings of his speech on YouTube and Ancient Faith Radio. Fr. Josiah receives unalloyed support withoutncontroversy from his Bishop, Metropolitan Joseph of New York and North American Diocese of the Antiochian Orthodox Church. I know some heterodox readers here will blast me for plugging the Orthodox Church yet again, in their hatred of the historical church and its ministers, but for every heterodox disavowal of the truth and punishment meted to speakers of it, you will find an a Orthodox straight preaching in the fear of God and no one else. It is the Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian and Oriental churches that know the enemy and face his threats to their members daily. Heterodox will accuse us of dhimmitude yet we remain, after 14 centuries of brutal oppression faithful the the witness of a Christ Crucified. Coterminous with that witness is calling out the lie that denies Him, be it spoken by the paynim or the heretic.
Oink says
As the Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches crumble in their resolve and theology, the Orthodox Church might be something to consider.
One observation; the Orthodox Church in parts of the middle east seems to be very anti Semitic. Perhaps I’m wrong about that.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid some in the Orthodox Church has not been free of dangerously appeasing Islam, either:
“West should learn from Russia to accept Muslim refugees – Patriarch Kirill”
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=12354
I’m afraid there is no major denomination that has been entirely free of dhimmitude–sometimes, as here, at high levels.
But, of course, there are also brave, Islamo-savvy people in every denomination, also.
Pere LaChaise says
A few corrections for Graven:
First, denominations are Protestant groups that were selfcksnciously NOT Catholic, that is, they called themselves Denominations to emphasize their limited nature. The term seems to have lost its original sense through overuse and now means ‘this or that Christian group or church’.
Orthodoxy is not denominational. It is Catholic and Apostolic, that is, universal and a vessel sufficient to all peoples’ spiritual care, and founded upon the Apostles (those ‘sent’ out by Christ) through valid orders from Pentecost to this day, without break in historical transmission and mission to bring the Gospel to the whole world.
To call Russian toleration of Muslims ‘dhimmitude’ is patently absurd since the one thing all Muslims in Russia understand is their very minority status in an overwhelmingly Orthodox Russian country. In your world view, there is no room for Orthodox accommodation of Muslim mimorities because you have no concept of the utter dominance of the Church in the spiritual affairs of a country like Russia. Muslims are welcome as a people who will be content to live in subjection as a religious minority whose rights are respected but never to enjoy preference. Western secularism is as alien to the Orthodox Commonwealth (with Russia its central state) as state-sponsored religion is here in America.
It would behoove you to learn a little about the rest of the world and it’s history when you are dealing with subjects such as Islam and its relations with other cultures.
If you want to understand the place of Islam vis a vis the Russian Orthodox Church, go find an image of the Kazan Cross online.
gravenimage says
Pere LaChaise wrote:
A few corrections for Graven:
First, denominations are Protestant groups that were selfcksnciously NOT Catholic, that is, they called themselves Denominations to emphasize their limited nature. The term seems to have lost its original sense through overuse and now means ‘this or that Christian group or church’…
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You can consider this a correction if you like. My point was that you find dhimmitude among Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant Christians. I consider this quite alarming.
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To call Russian toleration of Muslims ‘dhimmitude’ is patently absurd since the one thing all Muslims in Russia understand is their very minority status in an overwhelmingly Orthodox Russian country. In your world view, there is no room for Orthodox accommodation of Muslim mimorities because you have no concept of the utter dominance of the Church in the spiritual affairs of a country like Russia. Muslims are welcome as a people who will be content to live in subjection as a religious minority whose rights are respected but never to enjoy preference.
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With all respect, having high Orthodox leaders like Patriarch Kirill demanding that both the West and Russia allow Muslims to flood in is *suicidal*.
There have been horrific Jihad terror attacks in Russia, including the horror of Beslan, and attacks in Moscow including the attack on the Moscow Opera, Moscow subway, and International Airport.
This is terrible, and is only going to get worse with Muslims flooding into Russia–especially the Moscow area. Putin recently opened one of the largest Mosques in Europe there, alongside Erdogan and Abbas.
Considering Muslims in Russia to be tame or somehow ‘know their place’ is, I’m afraid, quite mistaken.
Muslims in Russia–like everywhere else–want to take over.
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Western secularism is as alien to the Orthodox Commonwealth (with Russia its central state) as state-sponsored religion is here in America.
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Alas, this does not mean that one does not find pandering to Islam there. It is not generally as extensive as in the West, but it certainly exists–as noted above.
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It would behoove you to learn a little about the rest of the world and it’s history when you are dealing with subjects such as Islam and its relations with other cultures.
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Actually, I have a degree in history and know quite a bit about the history of Islam in Russia and the Soviet Union.
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If you want to understand the place of Islam vis a vis the Russian Orthodox Church, go find an image of the Kazan Cross online.
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There are several explanations for the crescent on the Kazan Cross. I suppose you subscribe to the idea that that this means that Christianity has conquered Islam in Russia.
Disturbingly, though, many–including Putin–have said that Russian Christianity has more affinity with Islam than it does with Christianity outside of Russia.
I don’t agree–but it is a widespread and concerning claim.
Pere LaChaise says
Well, G, I don’t go to Putin or Dugin for my Orthodoxy. Those blowhards will say anything to get ahead.
I am aware of Russian demographics that eventually favor moslems but the spiritual vacuum that characterized the West does not suck in Russia as it does in Germany or Italy. Just as it does not in Middle America. While our Protestant culture does not much resemble Russia’s Orthodox one, it is a grotesque overstatement to say the latter is closer to Iran’s theocracy. This speech is tendentiously geopolitical and hyperbolic, just Dugin blather. He and Putin would love to make a pact with Iran against Saudi Arabia and the West. They bring up civilizational mumbo-jumbo to give greed an aesthetic veneer.
It must be understood that when churchmen are speaking they speak on behalf of a very large organization and they simply cannot say warlike things if they are not in a state of open war. There have been many times Russia has gone to war with the Turk and I’m sure there is record of preaching against Islam and moslem Power. The Kazan Cross commemorates the victory of the Tsar over the Khan of Kazan and the voluntary conversion of the populace to the Orthodox faith.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your reply, Pere LaChaise. You wrote:
Well, G, I don’t go to Putin or Dugin for my Orthodoxy. Those blowhards will say anything to get ahead.
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This is true–but Putin, certainly, presents himself as a devout Orthodox Christian and defender of the Church.
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I am aware of Russian demographics that eventually favor moslems
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The large Muslim population of Russia *is* a threat, but I don’t think this means that Russia has to bow to Islam–just the opposite.
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…but the spiritual vacuum that characterized the West does not suck in Russia as it does in Germany or Italy. Just as it does not in Middle America.
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This is true, to an extent. But the percentage of Russians who identify as Christian is just over 50%–lower not just than in the US, but actually lower than in Western Europe, as well. Russia suffered through decades of Communism, and Christianity there has still not really recovered from that.
There may be less “political correctness” and pandering to Islam there than in the West–which I am glad to see–but it is *hardly* absent, as I pointed out.
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While our Protestant culture does not much resemble Russia’s Orthodox one, it is a grotesque overstatement to say the latter is closer to Iran’s theocracy.
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I never once said that Russia was a theocracy–where did you get that? Russia is less free than in the West, but that has nothing to do with Christianity, but from Putin’s authoritarianism. Still freer than under the Communists, though.
I was pointing out that many Orthodox Christians *themselves* say that their faith is closer to Islam than to Catholicism or Protestantism. You may have missed the part where I said I do not agree with this.
Here is Patriarch Kirill again, cozying up to brutal Muslims against the ‘immorality’ of the West:
http://myocn.net/four-principles-patriarch-kirill-islam-western-immorality-interfaith-dialogue/
In this, he actually claims that reporting on violent Jihad is “aimed at demonizing Islam in the eyes of the world community”.
I find this as troubling as dhimmitude from the Pope or from Protestant leaders.
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This speech is tendentiously geopolitical and hyperbolic, just Dugin blather. He and Putin would love to make a pact with Iran against Saudi Arabia and the West. They bring up civilizational mumbo-jumbo to give greed an aesthetic veneer.
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Yes–I am familiar with Putin playing footsie with Iran, and find it alarming, The Iranians are *not* allies of Russia. I believe that Russia has actually enabled the Iranian nuclear program–this is especially insane.
Also madness is Putin allowing a Shari’ah state to form under Kadyrov in Chechnya.
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It must be understood that when churchmen are speaking they speak on behalf of a very large organization and they simply cannot say warlike things if they are not in a state of open war.
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Who said they had to say anything warlike? Unless you believe that anything short of pandering to Muslims is “warlike”, which I doubt you do.
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There have been many times Russia has gone to war with the Turk and I’m sure there is record of preaching against Islam and moslem Power.
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Yes, there is. Russia and Turkey have been at loggerheads for centuries–this has often been as much political as moral, though. Right now, Putin seems to be reaching out to Turkey–which cannot lead to anything good, especially with Turkey fast re-Islamizing under Turkey.
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The Kazan Cross commemorates the victory of the Tsar over the Khan of Kazan and the voluntary conversion of the populace to the Orthodox faith.
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Yes–from 1438–the year the city was conquered by Muslims–until its conquest in turn in 1552 by Ivan the Terrible, the Kazan Khanate raided Russia and enslaved Russians.
Conversion by Muslims there was not entirely voluntary, however.
Grimly, today Tatarstan is actually more Muslim than Christian. And Muslims have been going on a spree building Mosques–from about 100 in 1990 to well over 1,000 today.
And now, Jihad is rearing its ugly head there:
http://www.worldpolicy.org/journal/summer2013/tatarstan-battle-islam-russias-heartland
I want to see us *all* stand against the threat of Islam.
Pere LaChaise says
Good repartee, G.
I think Dugin likes to compare Russian Orthodoxy to Iranian mullocracy – he says things like that all the time to draw a picture of Russian civilization which falsely owes nothing to the West.
Muscovy, the self-described Third Rome, was never much concerned with individual freedom. Its roots are Imperial Roman and it considered itself the inheritor of Byzantine civilization leading the Commonwealth of Orthodox-oriented states. The present Russian state has its roots in this concept of autocracy and religion. Perhaps this symphonic setup between state and church gives Putin the feeling that he is devoutly Orthodox, because he must be by definition the defender of the faith, etc. I think it’s hogwash and he is fooling himself.
Patr. Kyrill continues to carry water for Putin by engaging civilizational conflict against the West, even if it means whitewashing jihad at Western expense. It’s a bargain he makes with the civil power in Moscow, for which he will most certainly be held accountable.
As an Orthodox person, I am sympathetic to Russia but I maintain my criticism as a non-Russian. Being the head of one of the world’s most powerful churches entails many compromises. But I trust Patr. Kyrill’s theology to be Orthodox, if his geopolitics are heterodox.
mortimer says
Correction: in security and without FEAR of jihad attacks
dhans says
Gary and all Christians:
I am saying a prayer for you that you continue to speak to the objective truth of Christianity, that you are able to find new employment, and that you continue to fight against the false doctrine of subjective truth that Cultural Marxism has imposed on us in the church, and society at large. We are supposed to act as Champions of God. We are supposed to be the mail clad warrior at the gate that defends the flock from the ravages of Satan. We are supposed to be MEN, not castrated wimps!
Christianity and Jesus do have a belief in something, they do not believe that all people are good, that all (non – Christian) doctrine is equally valid. What your fellow board members that fired you believe in is the secular humanist lie that Jesus loves what is false. Do they actually believe in the Bible? Do they follow the Bible, or are they turning Christianity into a reflection of their own personal beliefs? Do they believe the lies spread about what Christian belief is through the popular media and the distortions of it by clueless ministers?
If you understand the Bible, you know that Jesus has nothing but contempt for false doctrine and the unrepentant, and is totally willing to speak and act against them. He only has compassion when they see the errors of their ways, or acknowledge the truth of how unworthy they are of his compassion ( and we are all unworthy of his compassion because we are all imperfect). No one is advocating violence against anyone, but we need to acknowledge that Muslims are following doctrine that is in almost exact counter point to Christianity, and that it is not too late for us to point out the obvious, inherent errors in their beliefs. We must speak to the truth for their benefit, not ours!
Jesus tells us to sell our cloak and buy a sword. I always wondered why as he understood his fate and that of his immediate followers. Now I know. The answer is that he knew the fate of the world as well. He knew that compassion for evil things is in itself a far greater evil. He knew that his words would be twisted into something that he never intended.
Tick Tock, Tick Tock, the clock is ticking and time is slipping away. In the west, we no longer believe in the family, in having children, and in our culture. In 40 years, all of Europe will be Islamic, yet your fellow Christians demand that you keep silent. I say no, stand up to what is right, stand up to what is true.
Question everything, but hold on to that which is true, and reject that which is evil ( Thessalonians 5:21 ).
R Russell says
I say this to the church leadership. May you repent and warn your people that Islam will give them a choice to convert or die.
……A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
M says
If it is so dangerous to offend Muslims that we can’t speak about them without fearing for our lives….this is the exact reason we need to speak about them. The threat of terrorism is what makes people afraid to hold these events. We have a group of insane bullies in our midst, bullies with a supremacist ideology and no respect for or ways , laws and culture. With their taquiyya and acting like victims all the time they are intimidating us into handing over our cities, housing, money, peace of mind and the left supports them and coddles them. Why?
David Cameron says
Jesus warned us about clowns like those churches in the future when he said … You are neither hot nor cold and I will spit you out of my mouth”.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Sorry that a patriot and Christian man lost his job over this. Losing our freedom and our income is all the left have to threaten us with, for now. Praying the Lord will give him a better job and a chance to arrange more and bigger events like the last one.
garbut says
I have e-mailed my feelings of disgust to those fascists who sacked Gary Froiland for exercising his right to free speech.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Filthy Christians antagonise Sharia because their pagan religion inspired by the Satan they call Holy Spirit lacks any relevance to guide human conduct. Christianity is equal to nothing. Jesus said the law (Moses law), which is Sharia, will continue to apply in guiding human conducts up-to the end of this world, the church twisted the statement saying mithraist Jesus did it for them ,which is a lie. idiots!!
Lydia says
Uh no, FILTHY muslims antagonize Christians because the devil they serve knows we are right! They want to push sharia because it is evil, which is why we fight it. Islam is the worst pagan religion next to satanism, and islam is inspired by satan himself. If you read the koran, you will see evil. If you read the Bible, you will see the right way to live according to God. But you are a blind idiot fool so you can’t see this. Islam is worse than nothing! Christianity is the only true religion instituted by the only Messenger of God; Jesus, His Son. No, the Law is NOT sharia, they are total opposites. God’s Word, the Bible, will guide the standard of human conduct for all eternity. Islam has twisted the Bible around to suit their deceptions from satan. Yes, the Bible is true as it is, the words of Jesus are all the truth. YOU are the IDIOT!
And on top of that, you have just blasphemed the Holy Spirit, so good luck on judgment day!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia that creature which descends on filthy Christians like a dove called Holy Spirit Is exactly the Satan. I saw it at Christian graveyard dressed in white. Christian friend told me it is Holy Ghost that descended on those dead Christians showing that their souls have been with God in the heaven. I said in my that these dead are now in the middle of hellfire burning and the Satan stays at their graves to mock them. This is a savagery. filthy Christians are exactly like Hindu barbarians believing in such stupidities. Idiots!!
Jack Diamond says
It Face, Muhammad admits that he was inspired by Satan, or did you miss that the story of the Satanic Verses? Verified by Bukhari and Tabari. Some questions (courtesy of Answering Islam):
–how was Satan able to deceive Muhammad into thinking that the verses which the devil put on his tongue were revelations of the Quran?
–Wasn’t Muhammad able to tell the difference between Satan’s words and the verses of Allah?
–if Satan could inspire Muhammad what does this say about the rest of the Quran? What guarantee can a Muslim give and what evidence can s/he offer to prove that there are no other parts of the Quran which were actually inspired by Satan?
–how come Muhammad’s reaction to an encounter with an angel had nothing in common with Biblical encounters? What Biblical prophet was in despair and suicidal after encountering an angel of the Lord? Zero. But Muhammad wanted to kill himself. He wanted to throw himself off a mountain. In fact, Muhammad thought he was possessed. By demons. Why dispute him?
Waraq, Muhammad’s first wife’s cousin, said this:
“I am afraid it may be someone other than Gabriel, for certain devils imitate him and by so doing can mislead and corrupt some men. This can result in a man becoming confused and even crazy whereas before he had been of sound mind.’” (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume I, pp. 296-297)
LeftisruiningCanada says
Gotta hand it to you, you’re really selling me on the whole muhammad as best role model thing here chief……
gravenimage says
Yes–Ibrahim itace muhammed seems blind to the fact that his postings here just further expose the ugliness of Islam.
Bullwinkle says
Wow, isn’t it the muslims that worship a rock, walking around it numerous times? And you call Christians Pagans!!!!
And talk about stupidity, if you are a true muslim, you would believe in the Hadith’s. Please explain these “gems of wisdom” from your “profit” (and there are PLENTY MORE where these cane from).
Devil Sleeps in Our What?
Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said. When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose.
Satan Urinated in My Ears
Narrated ‘Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.”
Dye your hair because Jews and Christians don’t
Narrated Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, “Jews and Christians do not dye their hair so you should do the opposite of what they do.
Sahih Bukhari 7:72:786
Go and have a nice cold glass of camel urine and milk (as per your prophets declaration that it is good for you).
Lydia says
Islam IS the deception from satan, those who accept it are the filthy pigs!
gravenimage says
The vicious Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Filthy Christians antagonise Sharia because their pagan religion inspired by the Satan they call Holy Spirit lacks any relevance to guide human conduct.
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In other words, Christians are not taught to “marry” children, to rape Infidels, and to slaughter unbelievers–*this* is what pious Muslims consider proper human conduct.
And if they fall afoul of Islam? Then barbaric Shari’ah law demands amputations, floggings, crucifixion, and stoning. Muslims regularly stone rape victims to death.
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Christianity is equal to nothing. Jesus said the law (Moses law), which is Sharia, will continue to apply in guiding human conducts up-to the end of this world, the church twisted the statement saying mithraist (sic) Jesus did it for them ,which (sic) is a lie. idiots!!
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ibrahim itace muhammed’s claim that Jews practice the horror of Shari’ah is, of course, utterly false.
As for his claim that he was hanging around Christian cemeteries having visions of something dressed in white, this is just creepy. But what else would one expect from him? The idea that this vicious Mohammed has a Christian “friend” is equally ludicrous.
But then, he once described a bus ride in New York where every woman on the bus attempted to have sex with him in public, so he is used to lying like a rug.
t. says
“he once described a bus ride in New York where every woman on the bus attempted to have sex with him in public,”
Wow, his sex appeal dwarfs that of James Bond!
gravenimage says
Apparently so!
Actually, I think this was just projection, and that he actually just wanted to sexually assault every woman on the bus.
Bullwinkle says
He actually catches a BUS. I thought he would be using his flying carpet.
Bullwinkle says
You state that the “Holy Spirit lacks any relevance to guide human conduct” Have you heard of the 10 Commandments? They are the guide for Christian “conduct” handed down to Moses from the Father, the Son AND THE HOLY SPIRIT..
Here are several Commandments that are totally incompatible with islam;
You shall not murder. (well, we all know what islam thinks of that one, don’t we MohaMAD)
You shall not commit adultery.(sex slaves, multiple wives, sex with 9 year old girls as per the example of your prophet – islam allows all that)
You shall not steal.(Your prophet was a war lord and a thief)
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (Taqiyya anyone?)
So there you go MohaMAD,we Christians do have expected “conduct”, unlike muslims who are savages and opportunists of the worst kind,
So once again, chill out with a nice cold drink of camel urine and milk and salami to you.
Deplorable Basketdweller says
Ibrahim your comments and thoughts assure your damnation and your place in Hell! Having studied the koran, hadith(s), sira I can assure you that the god you call allah is none other than the fallen one, Satan and muhammad is his messenger! muhammad was great, he was a great, Coward, Liar, Terrorist, Murderer, Rapist, Slave Owner, Pedophile, Wife Beater, Goat and Camel Rapist, Thief and Necrophiliac! The Coward thing is rather curious I have yet to figure out how muslims accept being such cowards and following a prophet that was so cowardly? I guess the dim are easily duped?There have been several studies that show a significant number of muslims are genetically deficient from very close line or inbreeding practices and one the most frequent genetic deficiencies that show up from this tight inbreeding is a severely deficient IQ couple with a severe lack in problem solving skills! Ibrahim your post barley make sense so their is really no point in destroying your positions using fact, data and truth because your statements are purely ad hominem in nature and you supply no supporting data that requires refuting, rather you just spew foolishness and hatred claiming it true because your evil pea brain deems it so! Ibrahim you are dimwitted, cowardly follower of Satan and I can pray that you find the Truth, Light and the Way even though it seems a fools hope?
Carolyne says
Ibraham, It is funny that you say Christians are filthy because it is a known fact that Muslims rarely bathe and really smell bad when you stand downwind of them. That’s because Mohammed told you to wash in sand, which has no cleansing power and makes you just gritty and still dirty. Another reason you smell is wiping your rear with your left hand and then walking around with your filth of your hand. Eweee
gravenimage says
Carolyne, Ibrahim itace muhammed used to write that if any man converted to Christianity from Islam that his foreskin would immediately become infested with maggots (I would point out that this fellow would not even have a foreskin, but he is clearly impervious to any logic).
Obviously the West has overall *much* higher standards of hygiene than does Dar-al-Islam, but I don’t think he is talking about that when he says Christians or other Infidels are “filthy”.
He is talking about something else–after all, a Muslim can be smeared in his own feces, have just buggered his goat, and be spattered in blood from stoning a rape victim, and consider himself in a state of Islamic “purity”.
Lydia says
This is a perfect example of the apostasy that has entered the church. As one guy said, whatever they are, they are not Christian. In fact, like this, they persecute true Christians. They hate the truth, but accuse us of ‘hate speech,’ for telling the truth. Then they persecute us. Their excuse? “oh, some muslims who come by,” who ‘may become Christians,’ the same old excuse that doesn’t hold water. Our job is to give the gospel, preach the Word, stand by the Bible, and expose what is false. If someone isn’t interested in that, then they won’t come to the Lord either. But the devil has too many fooled by that fallacy of muzzling the preacher. And, this is also part of that ‘interfaith one world religion’ globalist spirituality that is encroaching like a dark cloud. Most ‘pastors’ are judas’ who have sold out.
Dear Gary Froiland,
Thank you for your stand for the truth! It is an honor to be persecuted for His Namesake, you will be blessed. It is an honor to be in fellowship with brothers like you. Be encouraged, the Lord is with you.
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Love in Jesus,
a sister in the Lord
t. says
Lydia, I second your heartfelt response to Gary Froiland!
Carolyne says
Lydia, your truth is not everyone’s truth. It is merely your truth.
Dorothy A. Lund Nelson says
My prayers and love go out to Gary Froiland. I was completely shocked to learn of his being fired from a Christian Camp. I certainly hope that Bob Bardwell was not involved with the decision.
Sunday, October 29th was the 500th Anniversary of Luther nailing up his document to help make Christians thinking people and freedom to use a Bible to learn about God.
I wonder how we can go backwards in 2017 and close off a Gary’s right to seek God’s desire for our lives. The following is what I wrote a few nights after hearing Usama.
Usama Dakdok
by Dorothy A. Lund Nelson (11-1-2017)
The DRAMA that continues in Rochester, is most interesting. On Sunday, October 29th,I had the opportunity to attend both the afternoon session at the Public Library, “Say NO to FEAR- Understanding Islam and Your Muslim Neighbor” lead by Regina Mustafa and the evening session at Cascade Township Hall – “The Truth about the Quran” lead by Usama Dakdok. .
My what a difference in the two events. Regina brought her own fears into the conversation with a skit about one country invading another, then her usual simple “Islam 101” class. Since she is a converted American Catholic, I feel she is trying to sell the Islam “religion of Peace” onto others. She is using all public events at churches, newspaper, and public library to proselyte;.
The Library event ended with a “panel”….no, simply 6 people of various beliefs giving their own faith story. At question time, it was related that Regina has fear relating to her children and to herself.
I’m sure if the panel had been asked if they had ever been bullied, prevented from holding a job, or shunned by their family members, Regina would have discovered that ALL have the same problems. It is how you decide to live with the setbacks in your community or with your neighbors.
The evening with Usama Dakdok was presented in a formal way with translations of verses from the Quran from Arabic to English- “Quran 101”. Usama is an Arab who grew up in Egypt in a Christian home. He is a Preacher’s Kid. He knows how the Islamic Faith works in Arab countries and how it is influencing our American way of life, ever so slightly; but a faith ready to make new rules of how we should live.
Regina states that she called her meeting in opposition to the Usama
Dakdok event. What did she fear? Her presentations put the fear into the minds of owners of meeting rooms, so Osana’s presentation had to be reassigned. Yes, those who wanted to listen to Usama had to go undercover right here in Rochester to have Freedom of Speech All views on Faith Issues should be allowed to have their events when and where they desire. As a listener, I learned a lot from both events. Next time, Rochester, welcome Usama!
gravenimage says
Minnesota: Christian center fires man for helping stage “Exposing Sharia” event
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This is *deeply* disturbing. Many thanks to Gary Froiland for his indefatigable efforts to put together this event, despite being foiled at every turn.
Does the Ironwood Springs Christian Ranch *really* believe that no one should be allowed to expose a system that amputates the limbs of petty thieves, flogs those who run afoul of Ramadan fasting, murder “blasphemers”, and stones rape victims to death? I cannot imagine they actually understand this.
I will contact them, and urge everyone else here to do the same, Be polite, but adamant as to this being wrong.
Monty says
Jesus said that whoever is not for Him is against Him. You cannot be a Muslim and not be against Christ. Anyone calling themselves Christian is either a phony or deluded if they fail to oppose Islam. Not to know the truth is ignorance and can easily be overcome. To refuse to accept the truth or even to examine the facts is foolish in the extreme. God warns those who refuse to accept the love of the truth. God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe lies. We are seeing that happen before our eyes. Don’t be surprised that formerly “Christian” nations are falling under Islam’s spell. If other Christians are reading this, you need to be on your knees, fasting and praying for the church in your country to repent and turn away from its sin. Complacency, pride, self-satisfaction, the competitive spirit, spiritual blindness, critical and judgemental spirit – just a few. The alternative is destruction. Check out where the 7 churches in the book of Revelation are today. They do not exist. The ruins are located in Muslim Turkey.
garbut says
The Taquiyya spewing Ibrahim itac muhammed is getting scared now because more and more and decent people are recognising that Islam is not a religion at all but rather a vile,evil ideology which is preached by the most evil ,hate promoting book in existance,the disgusting koran.
The koran is a pure filth and it must be banned.
The lying propet muhammed must be exposed as the loathesome garbage he was.
This is why islam will be more and more despised and rightly so.
Keys says
Yes, Islam is convicted by all that is good.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Gravenimage, what is exactly Christian worship? Dancing, singing and clapping for the Satan on sundays? is that not what Hindu barbarians are doing? is that a spiritual activity? It is Satanism practiced by your masters the evil Jews. All of you will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire together with Holy Spirit the evil Satan who inspired that nonsense
Joe says
You hate dancing, singing, love, and joy because you think God hates it. But you love acid attacks, apostasy murders, child rape, utter despair, and so forth because your “God” is all for it.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Joe.
gravenimage says
The appalling Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Gravenimage, what is exactly Christian worship? Dancing, singing and clapping for the Satan on sundays? is that not what Hindu barbarians are doing? is that a spiritual activity? It is Satanism practiced by your masters the evil Jews. All of you will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire together with Holy Spirit the evil Satan who inspired that nonsense
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Ibrahim itace muhammed has claimed previously that Christian worship consists of dancing, singing, and clapping–never mind that this is not the case for most denominations.
Far more important is *this*–that he condemns singing and dancing as unpleasing to God, but instead believes that raping and slaughtering their victims–as Muslims do–is what really is pleasing to “Allah”.
Here are Muslims who have dragged a poor Hindu man who was unlucky enough to be walking past a Mosque after Friday prayers into the Mosque and beat him to death.
Here is a picture–Warning! Graphic Image!:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2GPKNhEXppQ/VJKYH5dEaNI/AAAAAAABHVE/81tUZmeLDpQ/w530-h579-n/india.jpg
The poor man is begging for his life–but he is murdered by pious Muslims anyway.
So–this pious Muslim considers singing and dancing to be evil, but beating an innocent man to death is “spiritual”, and a fit activity for a Mosque. *Ugh*.
Bullwinkle says
Well Mohammed, its certainly not bending over and smelling the persons arse in front of you several times. And you think dogs are unclean!!! Salami to you.
IQ al Rassooli says
These are NOT Christians by any measure of logic
The leaders should ponder the following for a change regarding what Muslims are doing to ALL non Muslim humanity
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-islam-clash-of-civilizations-214474
Last February Mike Flynn, the incoming national security adviser to President-elect Donald Trump, tweeted: “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.” He urged his tweeps to “please forward” a Muslim-bashing video by one I.Q. al-Rassooli, a Britain-based, Iraqi-born polemicist who argues that Islam is less a religion than a cult in perpetual war with the West, that the Prophet Muhammad “committed crimes against humanity on a massive scale” and the Koran is “a rambling, incoherent, jumbled scripture of hatred and enmity that no true God would have ever revealed to anyone.”
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
S Kevin Wojtaszek says
I don’t think Christians or Buddhists did this.
http://www.currentriggers.com/world/mauritius-goddess-kali-temples-attacked/
politicalqrm says
Aren’t Christians supposed to ‘defend the faith’? Sounds like that church isn’t doing what they’ve been instructed to.. They’re busy burying it in the name of political correctness for islam
patriotliz says
I sent an email to both including this link:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
Christians, like the Dhimmi Pope, who don’t even want to discuss Christian persecution by Muslims are the true Islamophobes…afraid of violent backlash from the Muslims and from their islamopandering allies, the Leftist Fascist-Commie-Globalists, both working to destroy/subvert/pervert Christianity and Western Civilization.
Joseph Consolo says
All citizens are required per the Constitution; are to Defend, protect, the Constitution from all Enemies, Foreign and Domestic.
This includes elected servants, local to federal, Deep State, all agencies and those there who are Traitors to the Republic.
We the patriots who will defend our nation are what the 2ND Amendment was established by our founders and if we do not follow this by Kicking out all who want our nation destroyed are what Franklin said;
If we are to give up liberty for temporary safety we deserve neither.
We are the last stand and if all evil in this Nation is too be cleansed we are the ones to do it. This from the White House, to our house.
Clean out all perverts, socialist, communist, etc., who want our nation destroyed.
We must use petitions to kick out all servants and vet all who run by explaining to follow the Constitution our we will kick you out..
This is the start of cleaning out the deep state and swamp of creatures who have been destroying our nation from before the 1830,s by the sick Elite who have done all to destroy us for GREED…
Carolyne says
As a believer in and supporter of the First Amendment, this is outrageous that a person was fired for scheduling an event featuring a discussion of Sharia Law, the scourge of mankind. Political correctness will be the death of civilization.
garbut says
A policeman has been fired from the Cumbria force for gross misconduct after making a Facebook comment that was judged as likely to cause offence to Muslims.
Ross Lister, a serving PC in Barrow-in-Furness for three years, was dismissed following a Misconduct Special Case Hearing at Cumbria Constabulary headquarters, the North-West Evening Mail reported Tuesday.
Speaking at the hearing, Chief Constable Jerry Graham said: “The conduct admitted by PC Lister today … refers to a Facebook post that he wrote that he either knew or should have known, or at least reasonably have foreseen, would have caused offence and be considered derogatory to members of the Muslim faith and by people of other faiths and none.
“PC Lister’s behaviour and judgement has fallen so far below the standards expected that I have decided to dismiss him from the constabulary without notice.”
The exact contents of the comment, which was left on another post and deleted days later, were not made public during the course of the trial.
According to the paper, the comment in question was on a post about the consequences for terrorists, former PC Lister wrote: “What? Wrap them in bacon?”
Like Gary Froiland another innocent man has lost his job and reputation and much more for exercising his right to free speech.
Don’t these officials realise that they get despised more and more with every day that passes?
Thank God that sites like these are multiplying and people are beginning to see the moral corruption
and cowardice of the Islamic lickspittles.
jasmine says
THIS IS THE LETTER I INTEND TO WRITE THE CHRISTIAN OWNERS….feel free to copy information below when you write them !
Our clueless and politically correct co- citizens are aiding and abetting the establishment and proliferation of islam and shariah
…tho some of them may be well meaning and /or are politically correct …..they are part of the problem in the eventual islamization of this country.
I am writing them a vigorous educational letter , not to shame them, but to show them the mortal error they are committing in tryng to stifle the free speech and
exposure of the truth about the nature of the islamic beast and how their ignorance and cluelessness may unwittingly hasten the demise of the West and the judeo-christian/greco-roman/secular humanist heritage of the West.
I encourage you to respond in like manner if you think your values are worth fighting for and if you worry about a world of tomorrow where the land of the free and home of the braves no longer exist from sea to shining sea. Islamists are barely less than 3% of the US population and yet the negative and nefarious influence of islam and sharia is felt almost on a weekly basis…the latest being the jihad massacre of 12 or more innocent infidels in new york by a jihadist screaming allahu akbar. (actually w/in the last 48 hrs and as of my writing , there are 3 more other incidents that the politically corrrect newsmedia will not report )
Please ask the christian owners and boss of this christian man who was fired if they are knowledgeable about islam and sharia….and whether their actions to suppress
free exchange of ideas and free speech regarding such an important issue as islam which is an existential threat to the West ( and to Christianity !) is a wise action ? !!!
COPY AND PASTE THE INFO BELOW IN YR e Mail to them should you wish to voice your concern to the christian ranch owners !
Islam tells Muslims not to integrate into non-Islamic countries
Islamic culture is forced on the host nation
Islam demands that Muslims obey and implement sharia law
Islam is a totalitarian ideology that does not separate its law from its religious entity. As a consequence, Islamic sharia or ‘divine’ law undermines the separation of powers and the rule of law, concepts that are fundamental to our values and democracy and which cannot be compromised by erroneous ‘human rights’ or ‘freedom of religion’ claims.
Moreover, it is an obligation of all Muslims to impose sharia law as the political and legal system of the state. The call for it to govern only Muslims is just a first step.
Sharia law includes:
Polygamy, with up to four wives and an unlimited number of concubines;
Child marriage, as Mohammed (the ‘perfect example’ of mankind) married a 6 year old;
Slavery, as agreed by all four schools of Sunni jurisprudence;
Killing of those who leave Islam, adulterers, blasphemers, critics of Islam and homosexuals;
Women and non-Muslims being second-class citizens and men can legally beat their wives;
Parents going unpunished if they kill their children, making ‘honour killing’ legal;
Punishments such as beheading, whipping, stoning, cutting off hands and throwing off buildings;
The imposition of a humiliating tax on all non-Muslims to support the Islamic ruling class; and
enforcement of Sharia being a right of each Muslim, encouraging vigilante street ‘justice’.
Sharia law is a medieval and unchangeable legal code which reflects the seventh-century, Arabian desert-living practices of Mohammed. Sharia is the anathema to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
http://barenakedislam.com/2017/11/02/jihad-denial-in-america-a-deadly-and-debilitating-disease/
JIHAD DENIAL IN AMERICA – a deadly and debilitating disease