The suggestion by Prince Charles that an “influx of foreign, European Jews” was a cause of turmoil in the Middle East has been challenged by a host of dissenting voices
Well, it is about time reasoned voices fought back.
Robert Spencer covered this story with commentary about a damaging shared world view between the “British political elite, including Prince Charles” and Islamic supremacists.
Prince Charles stated:
40 years after Israel’s creation he “never realised they see it as a U.S. colony.”
Then he issued a challenge:
“Surely some U.S. president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in the U.S?”
It was violent jihad that established Islamic states in the Middle East. Christians were murdered, subjugated under Islamic rule, and/or driven out. Israel, the tiny Jewish state, was created after a dreadful Holocaust that was aided and abetted by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
The fallacy of the primary victimhood of Muslims is embraced in the face of the evidence. It is the jihadists and Islamic supremacists globally who are doing the victimizing.
“Prince Charles Challenged over Claim that ‘Foreign Jews’ to Blame for Middle East Turmoil”, by Simon Kent, Breitbart, November 13, 2017:
The suggestion by Prince Charles that an “influx of foreign, European Jews” was a cause of turmoil in the Middle East has been challenged by a host of dissenting voices.
The heir to the British throne made his observation in a letter to his friend Laurens van der Post over 30 years ago. Contents of the missive were published by the Mail on Sunday and his concerns that the exodus of European Jews in the middle of the last century “helped to cause the great problems” made public.
The letter was written on November 24, 1986, immediately after an official visit the then 38-year-old Prince made to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Qatar.
In it, the Prince showed his own view of the conflict with Israel by repeating an Arabist vision of the region. “Also begin to understand their point of view about Israel,” he said, adding that 40 years after Israel’s creation he “never realised they see it as a U.S. colony.”
“I now appreciate that Arabs and Jews were all a Semitic people originally and it is the influx of foreign, European Jews (especially from Poland they say) which has helped to cause great problems,” he continued.
“I know there are so many complex issues, but how can there ever be an end to terrorism unless the causes are eliminated? Surely some U.S. president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in the U.S?” he wrote, before ending with, “I must be naïve, I suppose! Charles.”
Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, told the newspaper “the most astonishing element of the Prince’s letter” is the use of the term “Jewish lobby.” He said it is “one of the anti-Semitic themes that have endured for centuries. It is this myth there are these very powerful Jews who control foreign policy or the media or banks or whatever.”
Mr Pollard added: “That they [the Prince’s comments] come from the heir to the throne is unsettling, to put it mildly.”
While the letter is inflammatory, there is no suggestion Prince Charles holds anti-Semitic views. As Breitbart Jerusalem has reported, the Prince has been seen as a friend of Israel, as evidenced by his journey last year to visit the final resting place of his grandmother. He also attended the funerals of Israeli prime ministers Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin.
Still, Britain’s Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) added its voice of disapproval to the sentiments express by the prince in 1986. In a public statement, it said in part:
This letter is disturbing. It appears that our future king believed in 1986 that the “influx” of Holocaust survivors to Israel were not “Semitic”, “cause great problems” including terrorism, and should be “eliminated”, presumably through their removal. The letter also appears to endorse the view that Israel is not simply the result of Jewish self-determination in the historic Jewish homeland, but the result of bullying by an all-powerful “Jewish lobby” which holds US presidents in its clutches. We view these comments as unmistakably antisemitic.
A statement from Clarence House published by the Jewish News on Sunday made clear that the opinions were “not the Prince’s own views”, but instead reflected the opinions of those he met on his trip. It said:
The letter clearly states that these were not The Prince’s own views about Arab-Israeli issues but represented the opinions of some of those he met during his visit which he was keen to interrogate.
He was sharing the arguments in private correspondence with a long standing friend in an attempt to improve his understanding of what he has always recognised is a deeply complex issue to which he was coming early on in his own analysis in 1986…..
lebel says
Jihadwatch view of the world:
Jewish lobby: What? how digusting! how dare you suggest such a thing exist, this is anti-semitic conspiracy theory!
Arab lobby: of course it exists.
WorkingClassPost says
Of course there’s a Jewish lobby. All global interests lobby to gain and maintain influence.
The problem with the muslim, and the arabist lobbies, is that they believe they are acting to further some profound, possibly cosmic but certainly inhumane, ideology.
Theirs is an underhanded and duplicitous influence, whose agenda is clear and detrimental to those very people who are being lobbied.
Would we have been so accepting of a Nazi lobby in the 1930’s?
Today we not only accept such a poisoned entity, but we deny it’s existence and cover up it’s methods and outcomes.
mgoldberg says
You’d have to stick a hat pin thru the frontal lobes to make such an assessment.
The idea of a jewish lobby has been so historically peddled, and now, with every act commited by anyone, used to disparage and distract.
The idea of the arab lobby for the last 70 yrs, and it’s effects upon the UN, western nations, the growth of Jihad, the false notions of islamophobia, and the massive amounts of deaths, rapes, attacks upon ‘others
across the globe, well…. what might we say.
When the muslims call all the attacks by muslims, a zionist plot, the theme comes full circle.
So… Jihadwatch doesn’t utterly dismiss jews lobby as merely antisemitic, but then, when say, as an example, muslims call such as 9/11, a zionist plot to make muslims look bad, as they do with many such Jihad attacks upon others, the idea of the absurdity becomes paramount to the analysis.
gravenimage says
Is the repulsive lebel now agreeing with Prince Charles that the cause of the Jihad in the Middle East is the existence of Israel?
How *dare* those Jews want survive and to defend their civilized nation? They should, instead, roll over for Muslims oppressing and murdering them. Bad, bad dhimmis…
gravenimage says
to survive
mgoldberg says
.Those who dispute what the Prince may or may not have believed then, do have their argument. Saying it was merely he, positng what his hosts believed, is weak, but it is an argument for him to slip out of the fact that he didn’t bother to oppose the view in any way to his friend, nor since.
However, recently he opined tht the savage Jihadists, the Somali pirates who murder and steal ships, goods, have by their actions, improved the ecology of the fishing in the sea around there, by their actions.
Now, that’s the kind of thinking that deserves a straight jacket, or at least an audience of people howling with laughter in his pompous face for the absurdity of his views.
Custos Custodum says
There have long been rumors that Charles converted to the “beautiful” monotheistic “faith” of Islam long ago (probably in the 1980s) but is keeping this quiet because as monarch he would be expected to become head of the Church of England and “Defender of the Faith” (i.e. Protestantism).
Charles’ letter to van der Post is clearly based on sympathetic discussions with Arab rulers, probably the despicable House of Saud, perhaps also the Jordanian royal family.
Of course, 85% of leftist Church of England clergy would drool with delight at the thought of kowtowing to Islam inside their own church, but regular people (including those who rarely go to church) would not be so forgiving.
sophie says
Im sorry i fail to understand, if someone can help me out here. He must know full well of the alliance of Al- Husseini and the arabs and nazis to exterminate all Jewish peoples in the middles east and subsequently murdering them of having them flee in the hundreds of thousands from their middle eastern homelands. He full we’ll know stye Duke of Windsor was anti-semitic and a covert Nazi. So he knows the foundation and agenda of Fascist Islam and this being said. Ashkenaz Jews and displaced middle eastern Jews were not in Israel yet as homeland mandated by British. So, he knows , therefore i must conclude either the is a moron or has business dealing that make him money with said Arabs, or is a Nazi. Apart from being a public abuser of his wife a narcissist with an entitlement complex he now has come out of the closet as far as i am concerned as a Nazi. If anyone has information to share or if i am wrong or wishes to write constructive critique of my words please do
gravenimage says
Nope–you’re right.
Carolyne says
Actually, Diana did not have an entitlement complex. As a member of the Royal Family, she was entitled. One may certainly disagree with that concept, but it is true for the British. I personally think she was a good person who was trying to make an impact to improve the lives of many. It was she who as a member of the royal Family, first touched a person with aids. That, however is not the subject of this article.
Prince Charles, who has said he wishes to be know as “Defender of Faith,” rather tan the traditional “Defender of THE faith,” has been greatly influenced by his BFF the Sultan of Brunei and the fact that the Sultan has many wives. We all know where the Prince’s brains are and they are not in his head but somewhat further down. He has little respect for women, with the exception of his “Mummy,” (and she might really be a mummy.)He has had many mistresses, one of whom even jumped out of the window of a mental institution where she was confined after the affair was over.
However, it is not the role of the Royal Family to express opinions on political matters except to the Prime Minister by the Queen during their weekly audience. Charles’ opinion on architecture, for which he has no training, on holistic medicine, for which he has no training, and fidelity in marriage, for which he has no example in his father, Prince Phillip. are without substance.but the paternity of Prince Andrew, who is the spitting image of the late Earl of Carnarvan, the “Master of the Queen’s Horse.” is interesting.
WorkingClassPost says
Not sure why he singled out Polish Jews for his little rant.
In 1986 Poland was still under the yoke of communism and the USSR, so any Jews arriving in Israel would have been small in number and escaping the uncertainties of reactions to the Polish Solidarity movement, and not as part of some Jewish conspiracy.
He had obviously been ‘got at’ during his ME visit, not sure what they did to twist his mind at that time, maybe he drank too much of their ‘special’ camel juice.
NYgal says
Right after the war, many Jewish survivors from Poland immediately left, or at least had tried to leave for British controlled Palestine, since their communities were completely destroyed and there were several pogroms, like a deadly Kielce pogrom in 1946. They were not welcomed back by local Poles, especially when they tried to reclaim their homes and property.
Between 1968-1970, most of remaining Jews in Poland were ethnically cleansed by the the communist government. Some went to Israel, some to Denmark, some to Sweden and quite a few to the US. Today, very few Jews remain in Poland, once the home of 3 million Jews.
I think the idiot-prince might have meant those Holocaust survivors and Israel’s leadership where Polish Jews were dominating, like Begin, Ben-Gurion and Peres.
During the war, the Brits did their level best to lower the number of Jewish survivors, by cutting off escape to Palestine.
gravenimage says
The Britons also did a great deal to defeat Hitler, which gave remaining Jews their best chance at surviving. Britain also took in some Jewish children during the war.
I think they certainly could have done more to aid Jews during the Holocaust, but the implication that they themselves were bent on the genocide of the Jews is quite mistaken.
Custos Custodum says
QUOTE: [Charles Windsor] had obviously been ‘got at’ during his ME visit,
Probably something much more personal, perhaps quality time with two or three male black slaves.
MFritz says
Charles is used to pushback. He had pushback his whole life. And thank god he’ll never be king or the rest of Britain will feel a pushback too. Being pushed back to the times of Prince George (George Augustus Frederick).
Carolyne says
The Prince George who said, upon first meeting his wife to be said, “I need a brandy,” and spent his wedding night with his head in a fireplace. This has nothing to do with the subject at hand except to show that Charles is not the first eccentric royal in his family.
gravenimage says
Carolyne, if Prince Charles were merely an eccentric, this would not be so disturbing. His being a thoroughgoing Islamophiliac and apologist for Muslim savagery is, though.
Charles says
England is in sorry shape. Without the flow of petro-dollar cash, their financial markets would crash. Real estate in London is owned by petro-dollar interests, and each liter of petroleum burned is another spent on the takeover. England is preparing itself for Islamification, and Prince “Charles” is leading the way. Money is power and when principled men have money, principles are empowered. When theocratic men have money then blasphemy laws are enforced. England has little left to sell but her land and her future. I find it ironic that it was British and American geologists and petroleum engineers that explored and developed the fields in Arabia and now the fountain of wealth empowers a theological doctrine of scorn and contempt for their condemned children. Dependency on the next petroleum fix has reduced England to grovelling submission.
CM says
Very well said, Charles. Money, power and oil dependency have helped in this mess.
Paul N Silas says
According to some, the Jews are the cause of all the World’s problems, Like ants at a picnic, bananas turning brown, milk going sour, and kids failing a spelling test in school. Dang them!
SARCASM
Charlie Martel says
Someone please take Charles aside and tell him the truth.
Custos Custodum says
Charlie-boy can’t handle the truth.
At least with his father, Philipp the Greek, one saw some real grit instead of groveling to former colonials.
Carolyne says
Maybe someone could put a CD about the truth of Islam hidden among the flowers and he would think the geraniums were speaking back.
David says
I cannot help but wonder on the face of the monarchy and the direction of the UK when Prince Chuckles assumes the throne. Will he have a built-in mosque? Queen Elizabeth distances herself from publicly commenting on current affairs; that is her choice, but what will PC do?
Ebrahim says
I think prince Charles thinks he is Charles of Arabia ,isn’t that so ?!
Bindon Blood says
He is not the sharpest knife in the box.
mortimer says
Disagree that those are the views of Prince Charles. He wrote “(they say)” … which means he is quoting the gist of the Arab argument that he heard more than once.
In fairness, quoting the Arab argument does not imply that Prince Charles agrees with the argument.
Speaking on behalf of HH, his secretary wrote: “The letter clearly states that these were not The Prince’s own views about Arab-Israeli issues but represented the opinions of some of those he met during his visit which he was keen to interrogate.”
I think that settles it. There is no evidence that Charles becomes anti-Semitic by quoting someone who is.
They do something similar to Robert Spencer because he quotes the jihadists. They claim that by quoting a jihadist Robert Spencer must agree with them. Not so.
Paul Wheeler says
“Israel, the tiny Jewish state, was created after a dreadful Holocaust that was aided and abetted by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.”
I believe that he was merely a mufti because he lacked the academic creds to be named a grand mufti.
Frank Anderson says
Paul, please check history-He was named Grand Mufti by the British administration, notwithstanding his bare qualifications for the appointment. See “Hitler and Saddam”, and Nazi Conspirators, Episode 9 “Grand Mufti”, if they are available to you. Husseini not only aided and abetted the Holocaust, he encouraged it and wanted to extend it to “Palestine”. He was personally responsible for raising 2 divisions of muslim troops for the SS which were known for they barbaric brutality.
Voytek Gagalka says
It is something deeply rotten in this current “Royal Family.” The King Edward VIII, well known Nazi sympathizer, and now this Charles, now clearly antisemitic (being against Israel is nothing but expression of such antisemitism). It apparently stays in the family at large like a ghost which haunts them forever. Bah!
Guest says
Stop picking on the Jews. They just want to be left alone.
Sarah says
I just cannot stand this fool. Or his brothers. If the crown has to pass to another after the death of Elizabeth, I wish they’d hand it to her daughter, Anne. Anne seems to be the hardest working, most down to earth and reliable of the bunch.
Or just do away with the whole business.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, you and your myopic supporters are very wrong while Prince Charles is right. It is evil foreign Jews who brought the brutal fascism of Zionism to the region killing Palestinians on daily basis and demolishing their houses while they are still inside.The local Jews living peacefully with Palestinians for centuries never attempted such atrocities before the arrival of Foreign evil Jews. Take note.
NYgal says
You must be joking. You are joking, just forgot to put the sarc at the end.
Cheer Bear Girl says
You vile Muslim vermin do not belong in civilized nations.
Eastern Europe is right to keep you savages out.
The United States should also follow suit.
gravenimage says
The vile Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer, you and your myopic supporters are very wrong while Prince Charles is right. It is evil foreign Jews who brought the brutal fascism of Zionism to the region killing Palestinians on daily basis and demolishing their houses while they are still inside.The local Jews living peacefully with Palestinians for centuries never attempted such atrocities before the arrival of Foreign evil Jews. Take note.
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What absolute rot. Muslims had been oppressing and slaughtering Jews for centuries before the founding of Israel.
Israelis are just defending against Muslims murdering them and trying to destroy Israel.
If Muslims stopped attacking, there would be peace. If the Jews stopped defending themselves, Muslims would destroy Israel and commit genocide against the Jews.
Robert_k says
In any case, if Prince Charles didn’t personally hold these beliefs and was “just learning” them from his joint to the Middle East, it shows him to be a buffoon, who will believe any Arabian Nights tale his Arab hosts tell him.
Cheer Bear Girl says
It serves him right. He’s either a dhimmi or a Muslim.
Stan Lee says
Charlie is an Arabist, pure & simple. I would not be surprised if he’s a closet Muslim, presently frozen to the Church of England in his expectation for gaining the British throne. In this case, Britain is sadly incapacitated, because even knowing he favors being Charlie of Arabia rather than serving the Royal House of Great Britain, he can now practically feel those UK pounds + gold bricks in the Royal Counting House, and he is not about to let that go! He does love “living good” more than anything else, and how else would he get away with wearing a shiek’s costume? Brits may think of him as an eccentric, but he is a bona-fide dreamer of Arab royal life and its “pecking order” of “royalty.” What would he do with the British Union Jack? Take the blue out in favor of green? Superimpose a crescent over the center of the Cross of St. George? I’d rather see him sky-diving and mountain climbing in the Alps….a few times weekly.
gravenimage says
Prince Charles gets pushback for blaming “foreign Jews” for Middle East conflict
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*Good*.
nicholas william tesdorf says
God save and maintain the Queen! The longer that Her Majesty lives, the shorter will be Prince Charles damaging reign on the British Throne.
John Forbes says
And this guy is the Future English King? last one I would imagine.
Looks cute with the – tea towel – on his head! He needs to stay in RIYADH & Converse with the IMAMS & Camels! Camila can sit at the back!
marc says
I have cleared a few of your posts, but deleted a few, please dont post in all CAPS, it’s unreadable.
gravenimage says
John, your posts are quite good–and *much* more readable when not in all caps.
Anne Smith says
One thing I have long thought is that it is quite extraordinary that the Middle East comprises millions of acres of unoccupied land. Flying over you can see it the vast expanse of available area is almost limitless. Yet all the Arab nations want to do is take away the little piece of land which Jewish people have worked hard and built up into a productive and fruitful country.
There is masses of space there for creating several home lands for Arab peoples – what is stopping them?
Perhaps the traits which were identified by Winston Churchill years ago – “The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live
gravenimage says
Also, Anne, Muslims had almost no interest in the Levant before the founding of the modern state of Israel. For instance, the Ottoman Empire almost completely ignored the region.
Cookiebaker says
A few historical things that are overlooked : the the Ottoman Turks, at one time in recent history, about 100 years ago, give or take a decade, wanted to wipe out both Jews and Arabs living in what was the (Roman `s re- naming of Israel),Palestine .If a few Jew`s had not found out ( Sara Aaronson and some of her brothers and others ) and with help from above, and fighting back, and by being spies for the British! Saving, both Jews and their mostly in-grateful and forgetful, Arab neighbors!
The Prince of Wales, should look at his own family tree. There are plenty of Jewish distant relatives through marriage!Sadly, most are generations of families, where male forbears changed their names or “married out “! Think Earl of Snowden`s Fathers`s side, Sir Timothy Lawrence`s fathers side, “Aunt Wallis Windsor” husbands Ernest, father`s, side.And Your great Uncle Earl of Harewood married one of those “imported’ Jews” . As well as your “Honorary” Grandfather Mountbatten,? was`t his wife’s, father, are, descended from or Jewish?
I think Charles should apologize, and pick worthier friends!
IanB says
It dismays and depresses me that this clown is heir to the British throne. Let’s hope he croaks before our good Queen does.
UNCLE VLADDI says
Dhimmi Prince Chuckie again?! Just ignore this inbred buffoon and pray he will be found mentally unfit and so unable to ascend to the throne. Even one of his mom’s pet Corgis would probably do a better job of it!
TassieR says
It seems that the Stuart dynasty is just overcrowded with idiots – but aren’t all of them very useful…
TassieR says
Sorry – I wished to say Windsor!
bouboulina says
The Queen Mum needs to get this jackass back in line–but not to the throne! What a colossal embarrassment he is to the country. How those Arabs must be snickering behind his back.
Stuart Browning says
Time to skip a generation he is as debauched as George the 4 th. His Whore and one time Mistress will never be acceptable as monarchs of Australia and New Zealand, not sure about Canada, if they can elect a Muslim as Prime Minister they may accept this Scum ( Oh! There goes my future knighthood )!