Pakistani Muslims in Birmingham have told ITV News their community is not to blame for the child sex grooming epidemic, saying the crimes are caused by conditions in British society.
What conditions? That UK girls and women are not covered as per the dictates of Islamic doctrine? (Quran 24:31, Quran 33:59)
The victims were referred to as “easy meat” and “white trash” by their perpetrators. But these Muslims in the UK are claiming that Muslims are the victims:
One Pakistani Muslim woman interviewed during the report… suggests that “targeting” the Pakistani Muslim community is unhelpful, “because you’re isolating that community even more.”
At the crux of the Muslim grooming gang scandal was the systemic coverup, which happened because of widespread fear of victimizing Muslims, of being called “Islamophobic” in the face of the atrocious truth that Muslim rape gangs thought it was their right to abuse infidel, uncovered girls. Labor MP Naz Shah, a Muslim, inadvertently exposed how far political correctness had gone when she retweeted a message to the young victims of the Muslim rape gangs to “shut up for the good of diversity.”.
There should be massive protests over this ridiculous Islamic supremacist blaming of “conditions of British society” for encouraging rape abusers, and for claiming that abuse of women doesn’t happen in Pakistan and other Islamic states.
The National Catholic Reporter recently exposed how Pakistani Christians have been “abducted, raped, and forced to marry their rapists” before being forced to convert to Islam — making their marriages legal under Pakistani law.
Reports from earlier in 2017 have highlighted how Hindu girls have been subjected to similar ordeals, and police have “refused to intervene”.
Blatant lies are perpetuated: that the Muslim community is being targeted in the UK, when it is the Muslim rape gangs that abused innocent UK girls, many of them underage. These Muslims are even undermining the girls themselves and now blaming the UK for “conditions” that somehow “encouraged” the Muslim rape gangs.
It is appalling that Western societies either accept the lies of the victimology narrative of Islamic supremacists, or simply ignore them. There should be a loud outcry in defense of human rights for all; in this case, for women and girls.
“Birmingham Muslims Claim Grooming Doesn’t Happen in Pakistan, Say British Society ‘Encourages’ Abusers”, by Jack Montgomery, Breitbart, November 10, 2017:
Pakistani Muslims in Birmingham have told ITV News their community is not to blame for the child sex grooming epidemic, saying the crimes are caused by conditions in British society.
“It is our responsibility? It is not!” declares one man, clearly indignant.
“The crimes are committed in this country; these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan. They are committed in this society, and it is the conditions of this society that are encouraging people to commit crimes like that,” he asserts confidently.
While it is true that conditions in Pakistan are different to conditions in Britain — insofar as Pakistani Muslims are 98 per cent of the population in the South Asian country, rather than only a significant minority, as they are in Britain — some of the same issues can be observed with respect to the exploitation of non-Muslim girls.
For example, the National Catholic Reporter recently exposed how Pakistani Christians have been “abducted, raped, and forced to marry their rapists” before being forced to convert to Islam — making their marriages legal under Pakistani law.
Reports from earlier in 2017 have highlighted how Hindu girls have been subjected to similar ordeals, and police have “refused to intervene”.
The ITV report highlights a letter written in September by leading members of the Sikh, Hindu, and Pakistani Christian diaspora in Britain in support of Sarah Champion MP, who was forced to resign from the shadow government by Jeremy Corbyn for writing that “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls”.
The letter notes that the grooming of young and very often underage girls by “men of largely Pakistani Muslim heritage” has also “plagued our communities”, and insists that “smearing those speaking an inconvenient truth” is unacceptable.
“[W]e cannot ignore the race of the perpetrators, neither can we ignore the fact that the victims of sexual grooming gangs are almost always non-Muslim.”
One Pakistani Muslim woman interviewed during the report — less confrontational than the man quoted above — suggests that “targeting” the Pakistani Muslim community is unhelpful, “because you’re isolating that community even more”.
She adds: “We need to know how wide is this problem, actually. We need facts and figures.”
ITV highlights statistics which show that so-called Type 1 Abusers — men who operate in groups to target vulnerable children — are 75 per cent Asian, 17 per cent white, 5 per cent black, and 3 per cent Arab.
However, the first part of the report notes that they do not target white girls exclusively, and that many South Asian girls, including a very small minority of Muslims, are among the victims.
Many feel unable to come forward because of fears they will be shunned or bring their parents into disrepute for having lost their “honour”…..
nageena says
why havn’t you included examples of gang rape in pakistan
it isn’t reported becaue they blame the wowoman
you udnermind your case, but just reporting one side.
why do they lock up and kill women if it doesn’t go on
gravenimage says
Yes–75% of women imprisoned in Pakistan are in for crimes of “Zina”–and this includes being raped if they don’t have four adult male witnesses willing to testify on there behalf.
As a result, most rape victims keep quite and hope the rape didn’t leave them pregnant.
bob says
This needs to be re-posted to as many forums as possible so that the lie can be shown. Birmingham has a large Pakistani/muslim population and it is well known that the men in question are liars through and through. In Pakistan non muslim girls are regularly stolen off the street and kidnappend for sex and conversion to islam; this is one of the main reasons why islam is supposed to be the fastest growing religion. Until we can properly dish out the law and punish these evil men it will continue. Every society has issues and problems. Human nature is to blame but islam takes it to a newer warped level.Please; all who visit this site re-post to as many as possible!
utis says
Re-reading your post made something click in my head: how do we know muslim rape gangs are in the U.S.? Yesterday, a newscast had a interview with Elizabeth Smart. She was kidnapped at 14 by crazy guy and held captive for months. The sicko kidnapper ran a cult of himself and his wife. After Ms. Smart was rescued, it came out that at least one cop had “a bad feeling” seeing the trio on a city street. It was post 9/11, the women were veiled and they all wore white robes. The cop let it pass.
What if a lot of U.S. cops have been doing just what the Brits did — afraid to be non-PC? Shutting up about what the know just to keep their jobs?
gravenimage says
Elizabeth Smart’s kidnapper was a “fundamentalist” Mormon (not a mainstream Mormon).
The only link is that that founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and child marriage and said, “I will be a new Mohammad”.
Like you, I do worry, though–I imagine there are more Muslim crimes–rape, “grooming”, robbery, “honor killings”, and acts of Jihad–than are reported.
Charles says
Plus, Gravenimage, they are right to claim that UK society encourages sex abuse. This is why they bring in all those scumbags and keep out people like Spencer who are trying to ring the alarm.
gravenimage says
As I’ve noted before, Muslims target the most vulnerable victims.
: says
“Grooming” these little girls and young ladies. Come on people, they are just grooming them. According to the Cambridge English Dictionary grooming is defined as: “the things that you do to make your appearance clean and neat, for example brushing your hair, or the things that you do to keep an animal’s hair or fur clean and neat”.
It is beyond the pale, to actually see, in writing and in discussions the British media, the judges and politicians and law enforcement call the abduction, torture, violent rape and continued sexual abuse of innocents babies, little girls and young ladies be referred to as “GROOMING”
And then to have the followers of this pus ridden, scabrous, fascist cancer blame the victims for what has happened to them is…..I don’t know…..????what the hell is it?….Insanity is the only word that comes to mind. These people are insane and perverse. And without exaggeration the entire elitists faction that run the country are just as insane and cowardly and gutless and spineless, for refusing to do anything about it. It is mind boggling to sit and watch the men of Britain sit around rotating on their thumbs while their babies, little girls and young ladies and women are treated like pieces of shit and treated with such brutality. SHAME ON YOU. It is your duty as “the people” to protect the innocent, particularly when your own government is so replete with gutless, islam supporting cowards.
gravenimage says
Yes–I find the term “grooming” too bloodless for this hideous mass rape of children.
harbidoll says
the word grooming has changed. (just as the words Islamophobia or even Allah (god in arabic) has changed. We get it.
: says
No you do not get it!!! To use the term grooming is to downplay and belittle the extreme seriousness of these callous rapes and the cowardice of this scum. I checked at least 9 different sources and the meaning of the word “grooming” has not been changed as you state. According to you, anyone caught committing bestiality (oh, having sex with an animal, you probably didn’t know that) constitutes part of grooming. It is still illegal by the way, you should get on that and have the legal system include screwing animals as part of the grooming ritual. Just to make the beasties look prettier of course, that’s all.
utis says
Firstly, we have only their word that this doesn’t happen in Pakistan. Immigrants often bitch about how this and that were better in the Old Country. So why did they leave? Why don’t they go back?
Secondly, MSM (a.k.a. the Lying Press in Germany) and academics (anthropologists, etc.) commit grave sins of omission by avoiding talking about the dark side of these cultures (all human cultures have one, it’s just the Big Bad Wicked West that gets outed all the time).
Thirdly, given what’s going on with Hollywood (and don’t think D.C. isn’t like this), are just girls being victimized by the Brit/Pak chimera?
gravenimage says
Christian and Hindu girls are regularly kidnapped and raped in Pakistan.
Of course, even if it *were* true that Muslims were only going on rape sprees in Dar-al-Harb, this would hardly make it the fault of the victims.
vyx says
LOL. Muslims are FOREVER the victims. Even when they form rape gangs they are *still* the victim, this time of “British society. ”
And many of the British sheeple believe what they say. At this point, I see the UK going Sharia before Germany or Sweden.
James says
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/ten-men-deny-100-charges-13881107.amp
To judgee from the names, 1 of the men is a Sikh, 1 is a Hindu, and the other 8 apprar to be Muslims. They appear to be practicing for allah’s eternal orgy in the hereafter.
MFritz says
This is more than an excuse. It’s a mindset. And if you don’t get the message YET, you’re an IDIOT. Or worse in case of British politicians, media and police – a traitor to your people and your culture.
StacyGirl says
Traitors and the USA is packed with them as well.
Benedict says
Young women and girls in Europe have not been groomed for imported Muslim gang rapists. They have instead from an early age been groomed for consensual and casual, promiscuous sex with no interference from their parents, who themselves favor this sort of free expression. There is thus an unavoidable clash of cultures. The free market and the buffet culture of the West make Muslims loose control. Muslims honor virginality, fidelity, female modesty and family life – at least on the paper – and they despise the cucks and the sluts of Europe, who are only for quick use and convenient disposal like a non-returnable container.
Maybe parents and the society at large should take this opportunity and induce in their children, and especially girls, a worth that is more than that and dress and admonish them to dress correspondently, outwardly as well as inwardly, and not as handbooks of anatomy and physiology zum gebrauch für jedermann? And certainly not for the sake of Asian and/or Muslim immigrants.
gravenimage says
Benedict wrote:
The free market and the buffet culture of the West make Muslims loose (sic) control.
…………………..
Uh…right.
How does this explain Muslims raping culturally conservative Christian and Yezidi girls in the Islamic State? How does it explain Muslims kidnapping and raping Christian girls in Sudan and Nigeria?
“He said that raping me is his prayer to God”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/he-said-that-raping-me-is-his-prayer-to-god
Muslims also gang raped an elderly nun *in her own convent* in India:
“Elderly Indian nun gang-raped in convent school attack”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31887764
Are these all “loose” victims, as well?
The fact is that Muslims are *taught* to rape Infidels as part of Jihad–the “Prophet” Muhammed did this, as well.
I notice you also slam the free market–would you prefer Shari’ah law?
Benedict says
G, The weakness of the West is the strength of Islam. The disintegration of the traditional family, and especially the invisibility of the father, the moral decay and the misuses of freedom profit the spread Islam in the West.
PS: I don’t see the point in pointing out spelling mistakes and grammatical mistakes as if they prove the stupidity of a comment or the commentator? Many of us who post here don’t have English as our first language, so you who do should be a little generous towards us in this respect.
gravenimage says
Benedict, there is no doubt that Muslims take advantage of any weakness of their victims–but, as I noted, they do not only go after Western girls you perceive as loose.
But they definitely target girls with little protection–those in chaotic or broken homes, those in foster care or group homes, and runaways.
As for the last, you are right, and I apologize. Your English is very good.
I do not speak my own second language–German–nearly as well.
Voytek Gagalka says
“…because you’re isolating that [Muslim] community even more.”
She (that Muslim woman) must be kidding! Or using taqiyya. As per dictum of Islamic doctrine, they who were declared as supreme beings in comparison to all the rest (non believers), are isolating themselves by adhering to that barbaric supremacist ideology, and nothing else can isolate them more that that! Change you attitude and then your “isolation” will end. But of course, they will never do it. They only try to deceive us.
WorkingClassPost says
Isn’t that the whole point?
In pakistan, as often attested, these predators can just grab non-muslim girls off the street when the opportunity arises.
In Europe, such behaviour is still unacceptable, hence the need to ‘groom’ their prospective victims and so escape what’s left of our justice system.
Jayell says
“One Pakistani Muslim woman interviewed during the report… suggests that “targeting” the Pakistani Muslim community is unhelpful, “because you’re isolating that community even more.”….”
‘Unhelpful’ to whom, exactly? Perhaps it would be more ‘helpful’ to the people who actually need the help if we were to do the job of isolation properly since these specimens are making it very obvious indeed that they are simply not ‘British Citizen’ material.
R Russell says
This is what happens when the chief ideology of a country is laid to one side and the country takes on a new title of ‘Post-Christian’.
Many think they no longer need the God of the Bible and He is letting us get what we want.
But do we really want it?
There is never a vacuum and another ideology has come on the scene to take the place of Christianity.
So Not wanting Christianity, we have ended up with Islam and all we know is that we don’t like it, but are helpless to do anything about it.
Can anything be done about it? Yes, but it will need a turnaround and a reclaiming of the God of the Bible. I don’t think we are desperate enough, but if we don’t get desperate very soon then it will be too late and we will be taken over by Islam as we dither about whether to return to the God of our fathers or not.
Kepha says
I rather agree.
It has struck me, in the wake of the claims of sexual abuse oozing out of the Hollywood slime pits that these Muslims who say “British [and other Western] societies encourage rape” may have a perverted, and oddly twisted point.
Our popular and media culture has long gloried in poking traditional Christian sexual mores in the eye at every opportunity. The “post-Christianity” of our North Atlantic world owes a great deal to the avant garde artists and their acolytes. We claim we’ve “liberated” our women; and yet now prominent actresses are now saying how the male movers and shakers of the system that gave them fame and fortune abused them. Do those who take pride in our entertainment industry and its global reach really have the right to be as shocked as so many violated Victorian virgins that men powerful in the entertainment industry such as Harv Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, or Louis C.K., trained by the milieu in which they work to see sexual conquest as one of the “perks”, actually take advantage of young women (and young men)? I wonder how many of the victims did not think, at the time, that they were simply “paying Show Biz dues”?
Into this disintegrating, post-Christian Western culture that glorifies sexual experimentation and breaking the bonds of the past and family comes a group of disoriented young men with their own kind of eroticized (and truly oppressive) barbarism masquerading as culture. What message do they get? The Western female is supposed to be “easy”; and there are no wide networks of male relatives ready to protect young girl who thinks she is being “mature” by acting like some screen or stage idol. No wonder these creeps with the faces of dogs and hogs probably feel utterly bewildered by a legal system now punishing them for abusing young females whom both their own traditions and the respected “creative geniuses” of the host country have led them to believe were theirs for the taking and nothing but playthings for those males strong enough to take advantage.
If I think I understand these rape gangsters, I am not excusing them in the least. They deserve getting everything that the law can throw at them. The same goes for the entertainment kingpins should the allegations of how they used the casting coach prove well-founded. But perhaps we Westerners, in our modern determination that Jesus Christ is not to reign over us, have left our little ones as a prey. We further compound this culture-sapping and obscene coarsening of our lives by teaching our young that “Islam is cool”.
May the Good LORD have mercy on us.
Kenny says
Of course it doesn’t happen in Pakistan! There women aren’t allowed out of the home (you know, the place where the husbands beat the shit out of them), and they are covered in cloth coffins. And of course our society encourages Islamic beastial behaviour, that’s because our society treats women as equals and allows them to wear and do whatever they want. Well, it’s obvious they’re just asking for it and no blame whatsoever may be attached to Muslim, depraved, bestial, mysogenustic, low life scum. Doh, get with it you daft kuffars!
abad says
The UK really needs to make a concerted effort in rounding up every single Moslem on its soil and deporting them all to Syria.
Shut down every single mosque and Islam center, make it illegal to convert to Islam.
Islam does not belong in the UK.
Kepha says
For a long time I have said I would not even burn _Mein Kampf_ or Mao’s little red book (my family is connected to both German Jewry and non-Communist Chinese) due to a high regard for the First Amendment. But ya know what? Maybe I will, just to skewer the Leftist Boojwazzy, burn _Mein Kampf_, and just when the Antifa crowd starts to cheer, throw on the little red book, followed by the “Otter Bogger Fee” of Malcolm X.
tim gallagher says
I suppose in Muslim nations women are covered up and hidden away at home, or don’t go out without a male chaperone. Otherwise they’d be endlessly raped by the barbaric MUslim males. Also, women wouldn’t complain about being raped anyway, because it would be all their fault. As for the BS about western nations encouraging the rapists, I’d say the only way our western, civilised nations encourage rape by the Muslim scumbags is by being stupid enough to let Muslim knuckle draggers into our countries in the first place. That is such a foolish move. Keep the barbarians out and the problem will disappear. End of story. Keep idiotically letting Muslims in and this problem will continue and probably get worse. Muslims aren’t capable of living in civilised societies where women are allowed to wander around in freedom and where they don’t have to wear tents. And why would they be? They are following the evil Koran and the foul example of Muhammad, murderer, paedophile, their “perfect” man. Totally incompatible with our way of life in the west. And how about this endlessly trying to blame the UK, and its civilised way of life, as shown in this story. Sickening! Keep them out and kick them out.
John Forbes says
THE REAL COWARDS & CRIMINALS HERE ARE THE POLICE( 14 OFFICERS BEING INVESTIGATED BUT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MANY MORE) & COUNCILS & THE LABOR & CONSERVATIVE ( TERESA MAY WAS HOME SECRETARY FOR MANY YEARS & DID NOTHING & KNEW) GOVERNMENT PEOPLE WHO ALL KNEW ALONG WITH THE BBC WHO COVERED THIS UP & REPEATEDLY LIED ABOUT IT ! LIED & DENIED ON US TELEVISION AS WELL !!
THE CHILD RAPIST GROUPS – KASHMIRI PAKISTANI’S & LATER MANY OTHERS BUT ALL MUSLIMS – DELIGHTEDLY ENCOURAGED BY THE NO ACTION POLICE THEN STARTED TORTURING, ENSLAVING & DRUG ADDICTING & PIMPING & AS THE SYSTEM CANNOT COPE – ARE AT IT ON A FAR BIGGER SCALE THAN BEFORE !
THE ROTHERHAM COUNCIL WHEN CAUGHT OUT – TRIED TO STOP THE DISCLOSURES – ARREST SOMEONE – STOP LEAKS & AFTER MANY ATTEMPTS AT DENIAL – EVENTUALLY CRACKED & COMMISSIONED THE :JAY REPORT WHICH REALLY OPENED THE BOX!
BEST SHORT LISTEN IS – ANDREW NORFOLK – AN UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH ON YOU TUBE!
THE CHILD RAPISTS COULD NOT HAVE SURVIVED WITHOUT COMMUNITY & COUNCIL & POLICE SUPPORT & PROTECTION ! IT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE & IS BACKED UP BY THE “CHEERING SQUADS” THAT TURN UP AT THE COURTS !
IanB says
Muslims always claim they are the victims. Even when they commit vile rape and extreme sexual abuse. They never take responsibility for their actions. They are true followers of their perverted, narcissistic, psychopathic false prophet.
Matthieu Baudin says
“… these grooming crimes are not committed in Pakistan…”
Well there is nothing like a big lie. Pakistan is a model society; that is, a model society for the forced silence of raped women. Rape is rampant and goes largely unpunished. It’s perpetrated by Muslim men against women of all religious backgrounds including Muslim women. There have even been brief documentaries broadcast, outside of Pakistan, exposing the scale of the phenomenon. There is no shortage of Pakistani women who will back up this assessment so long as it is off the record. The attitudes of these men have of course been imported into the U.K. and the ‘grooming crimes’ have grown directly out of this contempt for women and girls.
Cheer Bear Girl says
I doubt any place that is Muslim is safe for women especially if they are infidel women.
PaulM says
To say that it is the fault of British society is so utterly pathetic. It is very interesting and well worth noting that “British Society” did not have this problem until these sexually deviant, sick twisted child molesting perverts from Pakistan showed up in “British Society”. The only thing that is the fault of British society is that they let this diseased filth into the country.