This is good, and it is even better that the US is leaving UNESCO as well. The idea that the Temple Mount is a Muslim holy place with no connection to the Jews is just jihadi propaganda, not sound history or sound anything else. That it would have been certified by a UN agency is unconscionable.
The US should get out of the UN altogether, and expel it from New York.
“Israel formally notifies UNESCO of withdrawal from organization,” by Melissa Quinn, Washington Examiner, December 30, 2017:
Israel has formally notified UNESCO of its withdrawal from the education and science organization, joining the U.S.
The Israeli government sent its official notice Friday, and it will leave the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization effective Dec. 31, 2018.
Audrey Azoulay, UNESCO’s director-general, said she regrets Israel’s decision and believes “it is inside UNESCO and not outside it that States can best seek to overcome differences in the organization’s field of competence.”
“A Member of UNESCO since 1949, Israel has a rightful place inside the United Nations agency that is dedicated to education, culture and science,” Azoulay said in a statement. “Inside an institution committed to the defense of freedom of expression, the prevention of all forms of anti-Semitism and racism, which has developed a unique program of education about the Holocaust and the prevention of genocide. Inside an institution that is among the most active in promoting dialogue among cultures, fighting violent extremism and conserving heritage affected, notably, by the destructive acts of terrorist organizations.”
Both the U.S. and Israel announced they would be leaving UNESCO in October. In an announcement explaining its decision, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the U.S. would be withdrawing from the organization because of a “continuing anti-Israel bias.”…
StellaSaidSo says
Good decision.
No civilised country should have any association with the UN. Neither the globalists nor the Islamists who dominate the UN have the best interests of anyone other than themselves in mind.
Lydia Church says
Right on!
Great move.
deodatta pinge says
well said ??
J D S says
Muslims hijacked the temple mount and have no right whatsoever to it. All the AREA there was given to the Jews…period! In fact they only
have a small part of what God gave them….In fact most of their land that they have now was supposedly “given” them by an organization
that I feel sure God abhors…The U N.
TopDrifter says
The United Nations (UN) is a pariah, the USA should immediately drop out of the UN and exile it out of the USA. We pay for this evil reminder that we are hated by the rest of the world, so throw it out of the USA and stop any and all monies given to this evil organization. The UN are against the USA and broadcast it daily how we (USA) must be tolerant of the Evils of Islam. We (Americans) are tired of paying these bloated overpaid stuffed shirts in the United Nations for telling us how much we are hated across the world. Money talks and “Bullshit” walks. Cut all ties to the UN and run them out of America for good…
TopDrifter
Dave from Oz says
The USA will not eject the UN from New York – it would make things more difficult for the spooks.
Richard says
With the antisemitic resolutions the UN passes every other minute, it has become Auschwitz on the Hudson. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Richard says
The Hudson…The East River…all the same…The anti-Semites who vote for these antisemitic resolutions are all Eichmann wannabes…
gravenimage says
Yep.
esther says
The UN building is on the EAST RIVER—–which is nothing more than an extended arm of the Hudson—-
but I am being picky
JawsV says
Bravo!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Thé fascist evîl zionist state should also withdraw from thé UN as à whole together with its slave state thé evîl united states. Thé UN Headquarters then be moved from Newyork to Moscow.
Richard says
Obviously there those who celebrate throwing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr under the bus. Dr. King who said with great and prescience in December 1967: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking antisemitism”.
D Austin says
You mean like the 70% of American Jews that voted for Obama and continue to defend him?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Sure. No complaints here. Apart form the slave state thing. That’s your imam talking.
LeftisruiningCanada says
And i’m still looking forward to your ‘detailed response’ Ibrahim
🙂
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, ï have forgotten to save It. Ï Will rewrite It.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Sounds good, thanks 🙂
Can recommend keeping a cut and pasted copy in a notepad type program, just in case. It’s such a pain to lose those longer posts.
Thomas Kimball says
For once I agree with you ! We don’t need to be part of an organization full of mental pigmys!
M. Miller says
garbage in–garbage out response by a Muslim
Wellington says
Well bust my buttons, Ibrahim, I’m completely with you again. Yes indeed, the US and Israel should both withdraw from the UN and it should be moved to the capital of Russia, which country has almost always been on the wrong side of history and remains so to this day, looking upon its neighbors as it does as vassals or enemies, viewing NATO, the greatest military alliance in history for the protection, promotion and preservation of freedom as an enemy (and yes, it is a disgrace that Turkey remains in NATO, this I readily concede) and, in general, being stupidly authoritarian and never grasping how liberating and productive freedom really is.
By all means, let’s have the UN move to Moscow. So fitting. Support this 100%.
You know, we really should be worried that the two of us are agreeing on so much. As here. Happy New Year, Ibrahim, and, oh yeah, stuff the Koran, that wretched, dull, false and stupid work, where the sun never shines. Yeah, do that, buddy.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Well bust my buttons”
Nearly did upon reading that 😀
Peggy says
Well bust my buttons, Ibrahim, I’m completely with you again. Yes indeed, the US and Israel should both withdraw from the UN and it should be moved to the capital of Russia, which country has almost always been on the wrong side of history
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Doesn’t sound like you know history very well then.
Who liberated Auschwitz? Did Soviet Union not lose 20 million people during world war two and fought the Nazis just like allies?
If this was being on the wrong side of history then who was on the right side? Nazis?
J D S says
Hello Peggy….Just thinking what the US did for the whole of Europe and the Mid east in WW2 ..All the lives lost by America and its allies and now those same European countries are being conquered again not by Nazis this time but by their own selves….
LeftisruiningCanada says
Wellington is far from needing help in defending his statements, but it must be noted that he did say “almost”.
gravenimage says
One can appreciate what the Russians did in WWII opposing the Nazis without thinking that authoritarianism and communism are good things. Stalin also murdered millions of his own people.
Peggy says
gravenimage says
Jan 2, 2018 at 11:41 pm
One can appreciate what the Russians did in WWII opposing the Nazis without thinking that authoritarianism and communism are good things. Stalin also murdered millions of his own people.
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I never said that Communism was a good thing but Russia today isn’t Soviet Union either and has moved a lot closer to their religion than the west. The west has largely abandoned their religion. Putin should not be compared to Stalin.
Russia has kicked arse in Syria and given IS a huge blow. That’s a good thing.
Not trying to sing Russia’s praises but only trying to point out that UN doesn’t belong in Moscow either. It’s probably more at home in Cairo.
It’s clear that Wellington is biased against Russia and that blinds him to the good work done so far. There is no tyrant there. If anything the west is riddled with tyrants who don’t listen to people and impose their rule. Europe is a perfect example. Thank God US woke up and didn’t elect Hillary. It got very close to being ruled by a tyrant again. Obama was a great example of a dictator. Did an ordinary American really have a say about anything?
I really believe that the west is to a large degree a dictatorship. Citizens don’t have a say and have to suffer the consequences. I haven’t been able to call most of the west a democracy except in name only.
By hanging sh!t on Russia we give ourselves false sense of security and forget that we are no better off. Time for us to take a leaf out of Russia’s book and turn to Jesus. Trump can be seen attending church which means we have turned the corner.
So what is really the difference between the system in Russia and what we have. The media is compromised.
If we take our bias out and look at things realistically then we can see how close to being enslaved we all really are.
Things are even worse in Islamic countries and that’s why I think the UN headquarters belong there.
Suebe Hatz says
The UN is a disgusting pool of nations that hate Jews, Christians, and anything that the real God stands for. The UN has a partner in the devil, and I wish the United States would pull out so when God does pull the nations into that great war we will be with God and not against God.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has said that anyone who objects to Muslims raping and murdering them is a “slave” of the Jews, or else they would welcome being victimized by Islam.
Save Europe says
Oh I see the Sharia Troll has returned!
CRUSADER says
Israel isn’t fascistic. That’s ridiculous, given their history.
They are defensive in nature and in operation.
They try the best than anyone else to be fair.
And they create opportunities for everybody.
Read “Case for Israel” by Alan Dershowitz…..
Maky Lemur says
ISLAM DELENDA EST.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has said before that Americans are slaves of Israel for objecting to Muslims raping and murdering us.
Peggy says
Why Moscow?
I doubt Putin wants it.
J D S says
back at again huh Ishmael uh I mean Ibrahim….. print your post out and use the pages for TP oops I’m afraid your butt might reject it Aw why did I say that it might show prejudice, islamophobia racism or whatever….
D Austin says
While Orthodox Jews are free to pretty much build the next Temple anywhere on the hills of Jerusalem, seems odd to consider the Roman fortress Fort Antonia, a “Holy Place.” Titus allowed the fortress to remain as a monument of humiliation over the city of the Jews when he leveled Jerusalem. The Romans remained there for a couple of hundred years afterwards.
Orthodox Jews are loathed to admit Jesus was right when he said not one stone would remain upon another. When one reads the accounts of the war as recorded by Josephus. The main military establishment in Jerusalem prior to the war was Fort Antonia located to the north of the Temple (which is now the Haram esh-Sharif).The actual Temple was 1/3 of a mile south, on top of the Gihon Spring.
Eleazar, the final Jewish commander at Masada,verified the total destruction. He gives an eyewitness account of how the Romans preserved Fort Antonia (the Haram) among the ruins. There was only one thing that remained of the former Jerusalem that Eleazar could single out as still standing. This was the Camp of the Romans that Titus permitted to remain as a monument of humiliation over the Mother City of the Jews.
“And where is now that great city [Jerusalem], the metropolis of the Jewish nation, which was fortified by so many walls round about, which had so many fortresses and large towers to defend it, which could hardly contain the instruments prepared for the war, and which had so many ten thousands of men to fight for it? Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? it is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing left but THAT MONUMENT of it preserved, I mean THE CAMP OF THOSE [the Romans] that hath destroyed it, WHICH STILL DWELLS UPON ITS RUINS”
R Russell says
Chuck Missler has good teaching about the 3rd Temple. He also has YouTube videos about it.
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2007/697/
There is room for it on the Temple Mount right now, but many believe an Earthquake in the fault line below will bring down the El Aqsa – which as we know the Muslims will blame the Jews for. Some think the Holiest of Holies is under the El Aqsa. Apparently there are excavations going on nearby.
From a Christian perspective, the Temple is no longer necessary for Jesus is the sacrifice, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and Christians are to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit – the presence of YHWH within persons and no longer in a Temple.
gravenimage says
Why is D Austin sneering at Jews here? A lot of his posts have actually been pretty equivocal, and this one is no exception…
Kepha says
Actually, a lot of Orthodox Jews won’t go into the Temple Mount area lest they inadvertently tread on the place where the Holy of Holies was. It is their belief that the Messiah himself will rebuild the Temple.
As a Christian, I’m of the mind that there is no need for a Third Temple; that the final atonement was made by Jesus the Messiah himself on the cross.
But, to return to the topic, I’ve known a few people in America’s foreign policy machinery who privately thought membership in UNESCO a huge waste. I’m of that mind myself. The UN is a great forum for airing and talking out issues among nations; but it should never take on the trappings of a world government.
CRUSADER says
In Jerusalem there are plans and materials already set up and displayed for construction of the third temple…..
Interesting…
LeftisruiningCanada says
Still seems pretty debatable to me
http://magazine.foi.org/mount-moriah-or-the-city-of-david/
The comments section is quite good.
PursueJustice says
Good for Israel! Hopefully other nations will follow the US and Israel on this.
Mak says
The UN seems bad for almost every nation except the islamic ones. It is no longer relevant and the western world should reject this islamic-controlled joke of a body.
Loison Helmer says
Excellent decision!!!
DogOnPorch says
Fvck the UN.
Save Europe says
Quite! I detest the UN. They’re utterly controlled by the OIC.
Thomas Kimball says
UN= Underdeveloped Nations!
Dan Page says
The New World Order along with the Muslims will have their day. They have been prepping for over 100 years. The time at which they collaboratively strike, will be the day of their disaster. Lord, forgive them- for they know not what they do. The sick order of the political class, wealthiest elite, and rich bankers and intercontinental global dictatorships, will cease—– ….in The End. And we here, who still exist to pronounce TRUTH and the True Fate of Mankind and human evolution, will proclaim the Glory of God. And in the end, the Deceivers, the Evil-doers, the Destroyers, the Liars, the Disruptors, The Accusers, the False Prophets, The Murderers, The misled, the Sheepole, the wolves, the Anti-Christs, will all be defeated. Pray that you NEVER confront any of the Evil Force that may jump upon you at any moment. Pray that you may escape that Judgement, for it will befall all mankind on Earth. Pray that you may be worthy, to join the Paradise which lies in a world closed to your Eyes.
Sarah says
“The US should get out of the UN altogether, and expel it from New York.”
Damn straight. I want my nation, Australia, to get the hell out of the UN as well. I do not trust the UN as a body, especially given that the OIC essentially has command of it, right now.
gravenimage says
I would *love* to see civilized Australia reject the appalling United Nations, Sarah! (o at least, UNESCO as here).
Happy New Year to you!
Peggy says
I wish Australia would get out of UN. For starters, we woudn’t have to take in all those “refugees”.
That alone would fix most of our problems now.
gravenimage says
Very true, Peggy.
Charlie says
History is only history when it is told with truth. UNESCO is infiltrated with leftist politicians and Islamists. It is absurd to not acknowledge the Jewish history on the Temple mount. The fact is also true that for various period it was occupied by a Roman pagan temple of Zeus built by Emperor Hadrian. Then it became Christian. After the early Islamic invasions into Byzantine held territory, it became Muslim. The Kufic inscriptions on the perimeter of the Dome of the Rock are political religious statements from the time of the Rashidun Caliphs. The significance of its history can only be realized by understanding all of its manifestations. In its original form it was a Temple built by the Jewish Tribes of the ancient levant.For Unesco not to recognize this fact makes them willfully ignorant.
CRUSADER says
UNESCO should keep to its mission, just to preserve and recognize historical landmarks, not to politically promote….
There is so much there in the Holy Land to safeguard !
Corruption (politically) infects UN as it has (mostly economically) at FIFA…
….accusations of corruption, particularly after awarding the 2022 World Cup to the tiny but rich and influential Gulf state of Qatar….
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32897066
LeftisruiningCanada says
“UNESCO should keep to its mission, just to preserve and recognize historical landmarks, not to politically promote….”
Like for the Communists and Islamists that inhabit the organization, everything is political for UNESCO.
gravenimage says
True. But the UN is dominated by unfree nations–especially Islamic ones. This has twisted their actions for decades now.
R Russell says
“On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.”
The Bible c 587BC
ScienceABC123 says
It’s long past time the United Nations went the way of the League of Nations.
Wellington says
The United Nations is even worse than the League of Nations was because the latter was merely toothless while the former often times has actually aided and abetted evil.
Time is way overdue, as mentioned by Robert Spencer and several commenters on this thread, for the US to withdraw from the UN, ditto for all other nations which are free or at least aspire to freedom (this would exclude ALL 56 Islamic countries).
The UN has become a parody of itself. Time to get it the hell out of NYC and re-locate it to a place like Pyongyang, Mogadishu or Damascus. Surely, such places are where this decrepit organization really belongs.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
The United Nations is even worse than the League of Nations was because the latter was merely toothless while the former often times has actually aided and abetted d I agrevil.
………………………
Spot on, Wellington. And I agree with the sorts of places you suggest the UN end up.
A very Happy New Year to you and yours, my friend.
Wellington says
Happy New Year to you too, gravenimage. Take good care, my friend.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Richard, Remember ï am an Arab from semetic family and related to Jews from Mother side. Ï dont hâte Jews as à race, but reject jewish obnoxious racist ideology known as zionism.Even among full Jews, there are Those Who opposé It to be too immoral. m’y beloved judaist relations are among them.
Nas says
You are full of sh** and brainwashed. You are against the Jewish having their homeland? This TINY plot of land in the greater middle east?
Do you ever complain about the Turks occupying Greek and Armenian lands? Why don’t they leave Constantinople and go back to where they came?
You are a hypocrite, nothing less. But how stupid does someone have to be to be mental slavery to some warlord a millennia who that said he speaks with god. Idiots, and even name yourselves after him!
gravenimage says
Um…right.
Never mind that Ibrahim itace muhammed has affirmed that Muslims will soon commit genocide against the Jews.
I’m sure he’d start with his poor, terrified relatives. *Ugh*.
gravenimage says
Also, look what he considers “too immoral”–Jews living freely, Jews and Christians allowed to worship freely, democracy, and a vibrant, open society that rejects child marriage, rape, and the mass slaughter of non-Muslims–you know, all the things Muslims need consider life worth living.
Save Europe says
Muslims aren’t a race. Stop playing the race card please!
CRUSADER says
Nothing wrong with Zionism.
Allowing the Jews to have a place for worship and residence and governance in their Holy place of recognition. Keeping them safe from harm which the world has levied on them for centuries.
Palestine was an entire region set up in the mandate period which the League and UN approved for Zionism to partly settle in. A whopping section of Palestine became the modern state of Jordan, which is fully an expression of Arab Muslim residence and governance. So, that is sufficient. Move on….
Just give the Jews their allowance, and let it be. They have done a great job making a thriving oasis from a sliver of desert and rocky outcrops. Learn from them.
Live, and Let Live.
L’Chaim!
gravenimage says
+1
Peter WF says
Why would the Sec Gen differentiate “anti-Semitism and racism”?
Anti-Semitism is racism. Is it racist to make the 2 different?
tim gallagher says
The UN is a force for evil. It seems to give far more power than they deserve to have to a bunch of barbaric, often Muslim, third world Neanderthal regimes who try to impose their revolting agenda. Definitely a force for evil, at least most of the time. And may I say Happy New Year to all the truth tellers and fighters against evil Islam here at Jihad Watch. May 2018 be a year where Islam, that barbaric, murderous throwback of an ideology, fit only for knuckle dragging, unevolved people, makes giant steps towards the extinction that it so richly deserves. Should have happened years and years ago.
theopholus says
“it is inside UNESCO and not outside it that States can best seek to overcome differences in the organization’s field of competence.” I do believe the lady made a spelling mistake. It is “incompetence” not competence. The U.N. anything is the beginning of the one world government. It just hasn’t fully matured yet. When it does, God help us all.
gravenimage says
Israel sends formal notice that it’s withdrawing from UNESCO
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Wow! Bravo to Israel and America!
Karen says
Ms. Azoulay is right; Israel *does* have a rightful place inside UNESCO. But what is the point of staying in an organization that opposes you, insults you to your face, and basically caters to the OIC and Palestinian politics?
The forbearance of the Israelis is really astonishing, and I greatly admire them for it. They’ve had enough, and I’m glad the US is following their lead. Ms. Azoulay can cry her crocodile tears, but what does she say about the years of abuse Israel has taken from the UN and many of its members?
Kepha says
Interestingly enough, Audrey Azoulay is herself from a Moroccan-cum-French Jewish family. Surely she must be cognizant that the bulk of the descendants of Moroccan Jewry, whether Sephardi or Mustarib, is now resident in the very country her organization has worked so hard to marginalize.
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, some who were forced into dhimmitude retain their attitudes of bowing to Islam, even when they are no longer compelled to do so.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Israel sends formal notice that it’s withdrawing from UNESCO”
That money is better spent on it own security.
mortimer says
Ibrahim, We ALREADY know you are an Arab RACIAL SUPREMACIST. The following from a fatwa:
Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was of the opinion that Arabs ARE SUPERIOR (Afdal) than Non-Arabs and he claimed that this was the view that was held by the MAJORITY of the scholars – ‘Al-Jamhoor’- .
He wrote: “And the MAJORITY of scholars are of the opinion that the Arab species is better (Afdal) than the Non-Arab (species) just as the nation of Quraish is better (Afdal) than the Non-Quraish nations and (just as) the nation of Bani Haashim is better (Afdal) than the Non-Bani Haashim (nations).” Majm’u Al-Fataawa 19/29
Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) wrote:
“Verily, what Ahlul Sunnah is upon: Is the BELIEF (I’tiqaad) that the Arab race is better (Afdal) then the Non-Arab race. Whether (the Non-Arabs) are Hebrews, Aramaic, Romans, Persians and other than them…”. Iqtidaa As-Siraatil-Mustaqeem 2/419
Abu Muhammad, Harb ibn Ismail ibn Khalaf Al-Kirmaany (died 280 – ra) who was one of the students and companions of Imaam Ahmed (ra) also mentioned this point when he wrote about the descriptions and BELIEFS of the PEOPLE OF THE SUNNAH.
Shiekh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said:
“Know that the Ahaadith (that show) the superiority of Quraish and then the superiority of Bani Haashim are numerous and this is not the place (to gather all of them) but they also prove this (superiority of the Arab over Non-Arabs).
And this is due to the fact that the relationship of Quraish to the Arabs is just like the relationship of the Arabs to the rest of the people (i.e. Quraish are superior to Non-Quraish and the Arabs are superior to Non-Arabs). Verily Allah the Most High has designated the Arabs and their language with ‘Ahkaam’ that are peculiar and unique.
And then He preferred Quraish over the rest of the Arabs in what He has given them of prophecy and other than that from the ‘Khasaais’ (unique and peculiar qualities)”. Iqtidaa As-Siraat-il-Mustaqeem 2/431
Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) also said:
“…The superiority of the Arab race and then (the superiority of) Quraish and then (the superiority of) Bani Haashim, is not simply due to the fact the Prophet (peace be upon him) is from them – even though this is (a point) of superiority – but instead, they themselves are superior within themselves“. Iqtidaa As-Siraatil-Mustaqeem 2/420
To review:
– The Arab is better than the non-Arab; the Arab from the tribe of Quraish (the tribe of Muhammad) is better than the Arab that NOT from the Quraish; The Ahl-Bayt (Member of Muhammad’s family) is better than those members of Quraish that are not Ahl-Bayt. (Most Muslims note the “significance” of being a member of “Ahl-Bayt”).
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mortimer, ï have checked Ibn Taymiyya’s work, but there is nothing closer to suggestion that Arabs are superior to other races. prophet muhammad explicitly stated in his Last farewell sermon at kaaba that Arabs are not superior to non-Arabs nor non-Arabs superior to Arabs and Whites are not superior to blacks, all human races came from Adam. This Hadith is an interpretation of Quranic verse :”Inna Akramakum Indallahi atqakum(the best among you is thé one Who fear God most).
so, there is nothing líke Arab supremacy in Islam. Evîl zionist saudi Royal family claim It, but it has no basis in Islam. That is why dynasty or monarchy system is not Islamic.
gravenimage says
Poor Ibrahim itace muhammed! Always so sad when facts get in the way:
“Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was of the opinion that Arabs ARE SUPERIOR (Afdal) than Non-Arabs and he claimed that this was the view that was held by the MAJORITY of the scholars – ‘Al-Jamhoor’- .”
“Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) wrote:
“Verily, what Ahlul Sunnah is upon: Is the BELIEF (I’tiqaad) that the Arab race is better (Afdal) then the Non-Arab race. Whether (the Non-Arabs) are Hebrews, Aramaic, Romans, Persians and other than them…”. Iqtidaa As-Siraatil-Mustaqeem 2/419”
But then, he is Nigerian, and the “Prophet” himself said that all Black Africans are “raisin heads”.
It takes a lot of self-hatred for Black Africans–who were enslaved for centuries by pious Muslims and are *still* so enslaved–to adhere to Islam.
The only way they can manage is by hating Infidels even more.
Chand says
To butt in, I do not see any claims of Arab supremacism in the Koran but all the clerics and religious scholars that came later, mostly Arabs, made it so and consequently Islam has become Arab supremacism-fascism, imposing its Arabic origins on non-Arab peoples. Islam has almost become synonymous with Arabic culture.
Had happened earlier with Christianity too with Latin as the official religious language, etc. and with Sanskrit in Hindu India. But the grip of Christianity is weak now and no one cares about Latin and Sanskrit is diminishing in India too. The spread of religion is linked to the spread of empire.
I believe the grip of Islam will similarly weaken in the future too and consequently the demise of the forcible imposition of Arabian culture on non-Arabs in the guise of religion.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Had happened earlier with Christianity too with Latin as the official religious language’
There appears to be a difference between the Western Christian Church using Latin, and islam using arabic.
The Western Churches were aware that the original language of the Bible was not Latin, and the fact that they were consciously using a translation meant that there was not the same level of ‘divine approval’ placed upon Latin language or culture.
With islam however, the language of their supposedly god given text is arabic. To them, god wrote to them in arabic, and the original koran is still in heaven where it has been forever. This can only give more support to ideas of arabic cultural, and even arabic racial, superiority.
Even the most racist of Jews cannot go that far with any real support, since, although the their scriptures are written mostly in Hebrew, and that language is so very important to them, there is not, i think, the idea that God regards Hebrew with the same kind of importance that allah regards arabic.
gravenimage says
There was nothing supremacist about the use of Latin. It was just a “lingua franca” for the Church–and secular scholarship–for centuries in Europe.
It never implied that former Romans were superior to other Christians.
Wellington says
You have been defeated in argument, Chand, by both gravenimage and LeftisruiningCanada.
Sharyati says
Oh Mr Chand cant help but to bait Sanskrit can you?? Nobody imposed Sanskrit(Probably you still stick to the Mythical Aryan invasion theory??)Who says Sanskrit is diminishing in India? Whole set of villages in Karnataka, MP and Andhra speak it, not to mention certain areas in TN. And it is still burgeoning. .Also many local languages cannot exist apart of Sanskrit. Almost all Indian languages follow the alphabetic order and grammar rules as that of Sanskrit with a few modifications here and there as per the local dialect. Even the names of many of the local Indian languages are derived from Sanskrit for example
1. Tamizh(This include Malayalam and Kannada to some extent) comes from the Sanskrit word Dramila meaning southern country
2. Marati is a language spoken in the Maharata(Again a Sanskrit word) country
3. Gujarati is derived from the word Koorjara desha again a sanskrit word
4. Bengali from Vangala again a Sanskrit word
5. Even Simhala spoken in Sri Lanka is a Sanskrit word derived from SImha meaning a lion, not to mention the name of Sri Lanka itself is sanskrit!!
6. Odiya is derived from the Sanskrit name for the place Odra desha.
7. Telegu is a name derived from the older name of Andhra called Trilinga->Tilinga->Telengana->Telegu
Even a simple sentence like “What is your name” cannot be said without using the word “Naama” meaning name in sanskrit in many languages including Hindi. So dear friend, Sanskrit is embedded in Indians blood , irrespective of region or caste. Even Christian missionaries call their scriptures “Vedaagamas” to imitate Hindus. Also there is a thing called spoken Sanskrit and is/was used by normal people. But w.r.to Latin in medieval times in Europe it was strictly spoken by the scholars and the clergy only. I am not sure how it was during the times of ancient Rome. Just a comparison of the literature output of the two languages will show how Sanskrit was prevalent all over in ancient India, compared to the usage of Latin in Medieval Europe. Not to mention its rising popularity in Europe especially in Germany and the UK and the US
Oh Gosh!!! I am tired of hearing this boring, “Sanskrit is dead(Or dying)” since my younger days, courtesy dravidian politics and other left liberals
Sharyati says
Chand what is Islam apart from Arabian culture? Every Muslim has to face Mecca when praying, which is part of Arabia. Every Muslim has to follow the Lunar calendar and the Months they follow in Arabia and Ramadan is an Arabian Lunar month. Also one of the pillars of Islam which is the Haj has to be performed in Arabia, The Quran has to be recited in Arabic. Have you heard of say a Bengali Quran recital or Tamizh Quran recital? Also people get Arabic names when they become Muslim. So is Rahmatullah, an Indian name(Speaking from an Indian perspective)? Many Muslims in India wear Arab costumes, which are more suitable for the deserts of Arabia climatically.. Even Urdu which is one the Lingua-Franca of many Muslims from South Asia, is written from right to left like Arabic, whereas other Indian languages follow left to right order. Also many Muslims say Inshallah which is surely not any word from a local Indian language. Can you give me one area in Islam, i mean a core area that is non Arabic or does not smack of Arabic culture?Especially in India, where many Muslims are illiterate in their own local languages, they have a hell of a tough time to learn Arabic.
You are quick to Apologize for Islam and bring down Sanskrit aren’t you?
CRUSADER says
Spencer’s work deals mostly with facts.
It is surprising, therefore, that Irritates comes to this forum and doesn’t learn from facts.
Irritates seems to work mainly from deep set emotionalism….and …..irritation.
As seems to be the case with many Arabs for some reason.
Bennya1 says
It’s about time!!! Next stop, evict the UN from the USA and declare CAIR a Terrorist affiliated organization and have the few GOOD people left in the DOJ and FBI to go after them too.
sidney penny says
“The US should get out of the UN altogether, and expel it from New York”
Would Brussels be a good place for it?
or Doha?
ronyvo says
UN means united nations, all nations WITTHOUT BIAS. It was, once upon a time, adhered to that principle. Now, it is inflicted with the Islamic virus and became UNited for the benefits of about 56 satanic nations. That means it abandoned the principle it was founded for. As I kept saying for decades that this body is extremely expensive and dishonest by taking sides supporting the enemy of humanity.
Yes, it is very sound decision to abandon this hostile body to freedom and peace.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Nas, from where did Turks Come from ? Are They also Arabs from Arabia líke what ignorant supporters of fascist evîl zionist state of Israel are saying that palestinians were brought from Arabia when Muslims conquered thé land ? Turks have been thé original inhabitants of constanipole together Greeks and Arménians. It is Athen, which is exclusive for Greeks. Read history
CRUSADER says
HELLO HISTORY !
Turks came and swept through from Asia and brought new energy to the jihad of Islam after conversion.
Ottomans became a forceful force, forcing themselves on peoples.
They did swaps with Greeks, whereby many Turks left Greeks and Greeks were forced out of Turkey when modern independence occurred in those countries.
Arabs were historically in the region known to Romans as Arabia, then they migrated outward, particularly through jihad.
Christians and Greek pantheists were originally living in Anatolia and regions now known as Turkey
prior to Turks sweeping in and taking over there. Constantinople was named after the Romans.
Palestine is only a name, from Roman era for the area. Palestinian Moslem Arabs are only named such since the PLO began its political game.
Zionists have only wanted Israel for Judaism to resettle in their Holy place.
Move on / Progress / Evolve.
Live and Let Live.
L’Chaim
WESTPAC Spy says
you are dizzying yourself.
gravenimage says
What tripe. The Turks invaded from the East. The original inhabitants of Anatolia were ethnically and culturally indistinguishable from the Greeks.
FYI says
Moses{Hebrew}…Well,God bless Israel!Excellent news indeed.First our capital city is re-established and now this.what say you allah?
allah…….?
Moses{Arabic} I said..what say you allah?
allah….the Jews ..be ye apes,despised and hated{koran 2 v 65}
Moses now you know I’m Jewish right?Am I an ape to be despised and hated?
allah..but..but you are a muslim like Abraham;he was not a Jew{ koran 3 v 67}
Moses..oh yes that’s right allah:myself and Abraham are…muslims.
GOD All my prophets are Jewish,allah;And I gave Israel and Jerusalem to them.
allah whaaat? you are all Jewish?Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ yes I’m Jewish too along with John the Baptist and all My apostles.
Elijah ….unlike allah’s “prophet” muhammed..
Ezekiel…and he definitely wasn’t even Jewish haha
Angel Gabriel……and allah’s “angel” jibreel impersonating me..
AleX says
To Robert Spencer:
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be with you in your journey for truth seeking mission.
Happy New Year!
Baucent says
Well that’s good news. UNESCO is a politically biased organization committed to re-writing history.
Mirit says
Again the word of the Lord of hosts came to me, saying,
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy, and I was jealous for her with great fury.
3 Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain.
4 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.
5 And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.
6 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If it be marvellous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvellous in mine eyes? saith the Lord of hosts.
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will save my people from the east country, and from the west country;
8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.
9 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the Lord of hosts was laid, that the temple might be built.
10 For before these days there was no hire for man, nor any hire for beast; neither was there any peace to him that went out or came in because of the affliction: for I set all men every one against his neighbour.
11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people as in the former days, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the remnant of this people to possess all these things.
13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
14 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the Lord of hosts, and I repented not:
15 So again have I thought in these days to do well unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah: fear ye not.
16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:
17 And let none of you imagine evil in your hearts against his neighbour; and love no false oath: for all these are things that I hate, saith the Lord.
18 And the word of the Lord of hosts came unto me, saying,
19 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace.
20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:
21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.
22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
CRUSADER says
Amen.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Happy New Year everyone!
Here’s to less acts of barbarism by islamists, less creeping sharia, and more truth and freedom for all!
Thanks to everyone for making JW what it is 🙂
gravenimage says
Happy New Year to you!
Ade Fegan says
Oh but islam has no holy places !!
and indeed, islam has no land of it’s own
All islamic countries were taken from Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and others
by the sword an by stealth jihad
When will the world get some honesty
or apology from islam for 1,400 years of tyranny ?
Mike says
Michaël Jean , Canada’s representative to Unesco , voted for the recognition of Temple Mount ( not Mosque Mount , did you noticed) as a Muslim holy place with no link to Jews history .Well,it was not the first of her felony .
Michaël Jean was born in Haiti in late fifties. Then ,as a child ,with her parents , she moves to Canada while Haiti was under father Duvalier regime. ( Duvalier was happy to get rid of the leftist comunist father . ( A classic in western politic . See the rest.)
Then , in Québec, she flirt with her husband , Jean -Pierre Lafond ( french name for bottom of something) with the nationalists for the independance of Québec. But as she was offered the General -Governor of Canada position , highest but symbolic function in the country,she denied all her nationalist past and went for the role . Conservatives took the power , though , and a politicaly correct black woman migrant nomination meant nothing to them . Her services were not re-conduct for another 4 years as it would have been with the left .
In January 2010,she was crying on Haiti as she left as all could see on her on national TV. Her tears as we can see them by the airplane window were deeply moving . ” I will come back to help you all.” she said . Well, they are all waiting up to this day . It’s because , meanwhile , Unesco need her . in Paris .So she went there .It was an emergency case . The Paris appartment was not good enough for her ,though . So, she had it renovates and bought a new grand piano : 50 ,000 .I guess on lonely night she might play : Ti -Toiseau . A new Marie -Antoinette .
Then , with absolutely no historical , archeological facts or proofs , she voted for the recognition of Temple Mount as a sacred muslim place.Jews were there 1000 years before Christ and muslims 700 years after Christ . But to Ti -Toiseau head it doesn’t count .
Muhammad used to call black peoples ” raisin heads ” . Does she try to make his saying an evidence ?