This is extraordinary and world-historical. But they shouldn’t expect any satisfaction from the thoroughly compromised United Nations, a tool of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.
“Iranian resistance issues list of demands urging UN to take action,” Al Arabiya, January 5, 2018:
The Iranian Resistance urged the UN Security Council to defend the legitimate and inalienable right of the Iranian people to overthrow the religious fascism ruling Iran and to attain the freedom for which they have been demonstrating, in a statement issued Friday.
The Resistance also requested that the Security Council to strongly condemn the mullahs’ regime and hold it accountable for killing defenseless and unarmed demonstrators.
The regime actions constitute a clear crime against humanity, and confronting them is the responsibility of the United Nations, the statement said.
According to reliable reports obtained by the Iranian Resistance, at least 50 protesters have been shot and killed by the Revolutionary Guards during the first eight days of the uprising, and more than 3,000 have been arrested. Children as young as 12 or 13 years old are among those killed.
The actual number of martyrs and detained is much more; a reality that the Iranian regime is trying hard to hide….
In welcoming today’s meeting on Iran’s uprising, the Iranian Resistance emphasizes the need for the following actions to be taken by the UN Security Council:
1. Recognizing the legitimate right of the people of Iran to overthrow the ruling religious fascism and establish their own freedom and sovereignty.
2. Strongly condemning and holding accountable the Iranian regime for the slaughter and mass arrests of defenseless and unarmed protesters.
3. Sanctioning the regime for systematic violations of human rights, including the 1988 massacre and the killings during the current uprising.
4. Condemning restrictions on the Internet and social networks, and ensuring the public’s free access to information.
5. Enforcing binding decisions for the release of thousands of arrested demonstrators and for the establishment of a monitoring system; and warning the Iranian regime that more serious actions will be taken should present trends continue.
elee says
They sent this to the U.N.? Are they delusional? Won’t some UN delegates’ minions instantly do takfir to the mullahs? I do so hope they used a fake return address.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yeah that’s what I thought. Don’t they know that the UN has become a front organization for the OIC?
Voytek Gagalka says
I don’t think that they are “delusional.” However, it is all well that they sent this to the UN: “United Nations” needs to be exposed and completely discredited. If they will fail to react and dismiss their request, that will serve as another proof of their bloody hands and, I hope, be a nail to their coffin (since they deserve nothing but dissolution and burial by this time).
TheBuffster says
That’s it, Voytek. They’re sending this to the UN in order to put it in front of the world. It’s sort of like the Founding Fathers of the USA writing the Declaration of Independence to declare to the world the causes which impelled them to separate from Britain. The UN is the world body of today, corrupt as it may be. It’s where you go to lay your case before the world.
And, today, the administration of the USA is openly on their side. The USA is standing by them.
I don’t think these opposers of the Sharia state are of the type that care about being found out. They believe in their cause and will live or die for it. I’m sure they know that the UN is full of corruption and of supporters of Islamic states. But they’re appealing to those nations who should be better than that, to whatever is left of the rational consciences on the non-Muslim countries.
They have to try.
William says
POOR people, they will be all dead in 2 years, NO ONE is going to help them, the least is UN. Our news said 17 dead in 8 days, now I read 50 in 8 days, + 3000 arrested, whom we will never hear of again. GOD help them.
blitz2b says
True dat…. Europe should open their eyes to what is transpiring in Iran and the Middle East.
Once a country submits to the barbarian rule of Islamic law there is no turning back.
We have yet to see a nation free itself from the oppressive yoke of Islam…. Who knows, maybe Iran will be the first….
gravenimage says
We have seen countries conquered by Islam drive the conquerors out–in Spain, in southern France, in southern Italy, in Sicily, in Greece, in the Balkans.
But this was different–it was the previously subjugated Infidels driving the Muslims out.
We have never seen a Muslim country turn its back on Islam. The closest we came was Turkey–but these were mostly the actions of Attaturk and his policy of Kemalism–much of which has been rolled back under Erdogan, who is fast re-Islamizing the country. The problem there is that only a fairly small minority actually rejected Islam.
Linde Barrera says
May God bless the resistors of the Iranian government fascists regime and make them successful. It is the Iranian dictators’ time to go. ?
christianblood says
You are believing too much US (Deep State) government propaganda. It is exactly like the “WMD” propaganda in Iraq a decade and half ago where the US attacked that country as result of that false propaganda and as result of that false infomration, countless lives are lost on all sides and trillions of dollars wasted and even today solution for Iraq after all that destruction. Then we had the US and Nato siding with islamic jihadists in Libya and bombing that country and murdering its leader even after he relinquished his WMD and now Libya is an islamic terrorist hellhole where Christian are beheaded in the beaches and where there are open slave markets. After that we had, huge propaganda demonizing the Syrian president and his government and unleashing hundreds of thousands of jihadist mercenaries openly supported by the US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia and Nato into that country (SYRIA) to topple the legitimate government of that country by force and replace it with jihadist puppets supported by the US, Saudi Arabia and Nato. Thank God, that failed!
Now, again, the US and its allies are simply trying to do the same in Iran, demonizing that country and its leadership like they in Ukraine. And do you know the reason why they really want to destroy Iran? It is not about Iran sponsoring terrorism. Only a child and naive and ignorant dump person would believe that kind of false, cover propaganda! It is because Iran will NOT be a US puppet. The US and its allies want to destroy any country in that region or beyond that is unwilling to become a US puppet. That is the real truth of the matter. Watch as Gen. Wesley Clark explains this in the short video clip below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
gravenimage says
This has happened before, where “Christianblood” has supported the horrors of Shari’ah and Jihad because the United States does not like it.
He has said previously that he does not consider Islam a threat–he does not even care about Jihad terror in Russia.
Instead, he just wants to see the free West destroyed. Very troubling.
christianblood says
gravenimage
when did I ever say i don’t consider Islam a threat?
That simply a big lie!
gravenimage says
Christianblood, you have previously said that inviting more Muslims into Russia is not a problem, nor is building more Mosques for them.
You also said that Jihad terrorism in Russia is not a serious issue.
Moreover, you have said that any problems with Islam pale before things like gay parades in the West.
AleX says
@christianblood
Nobody ‘demonizes’ Iran.
All Islamic states are in the same state of backwardness and will remain so for as long as they are called Islamic.
You simply don’t get it: all Islamic states are failed states and they will disintegrate rather sooner than later. The civilizational impact of information through internet will facilitate the dissolution of Islam everywhere on this planet in a matter of decades.
Mohamedans are not victims in any country. They are passive or active oppressors by the nature of their creed.
If Iranians don’t topple the iranian Islamic state nobody will in their stead.
Chances are they will regress even further if they fail.
christianblood says
AleX posted
(..All Islamic states are in the same state of backwardness and will remain so for as long as they are called Islamic. All Islamic states are failed states and they will disintegrate rather sooner than later..)
That is very right and I do agree with it 10%! The problem is that US is playing a double game here. Supporting ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other islamic jihadist groups for its own imperialistic selfish interests while at the same time is threatening and even bombing smaller countries that are actually fighting ISIS such Iran, Syria etc. For instance, It was just reported in the (JihadWatch) yesterday that tens of thousands of Bosnian Catholics are leaving Bosnia every year because of islamic persecution and yet we know that it was the US and Nato who bombed the Orthodox Serbs and established two jihadist states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in the heart of Europe! That is the kind of destructive and evil US and Western duplicity i am trying to point out here.
christianblood says
Correction:
I should have written (That is very right and I do agree with it 100%!) I apologize for that mistake!
Wellington says
Christianblood: Only a loon would assert, as you have, that the US supports ISIS and al-Qaeda, as you did in your 7:49 A.M. post of today. This makes you risible in the extreme for all sensible people, concerning which group you are certainly not a member. And I have to wonder how many Russians think like you do. I fear way too many but then Russians historically have thought lots of crazy things about the West, which helps to prove that Russia is indeed not a Western country.
gravenimage says
Not only is the US not supporting ISIS, we–along with Russia–have been largely responsible for their losing their territory, and hence the Caliphate.
christianblood says
Wellington
The whole world knows the facts I am talking about here, Wellington. Only the ignorant and the uninformed think that the US is fighting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in Syria.The jihadists themselves will tell you that. America have been using barbaric islamic jihadists such as ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban and many others to push its own imperialistic agenda in the ME and beyond and Syria is no different. Watch the video clip below to get the facts from the horse’s mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHlvmkdK1EA
Wellington says
Under Trump, christianblood, ISIS territory has been diminished extraordinarily so, so once again I don’t know what you’re talking about, though perhaps we can agree that there is no “good side” in this extra nasty fight which demonstrates again that when Muslims aren’t going after non-Muslims, they’re going after each other.
Too bad the Russians continue to think America and the West are the enemy. No, they’re not. America and the West mean Russia no harm. By contrast, the Islamic world, if it could, would turn all of Russia into an Islamic state. By contrast again, what does America wish Russia would become? Why a truly free polity. And yet you think America is the problem? I rest my case.
blitz2b says
christianblood says “…All Islamic states are failed states and they will disintegrate rather sooner than later..)…”
So christianblood why do you not consider what’s happening in Iran as “sooner rather than later”?
Why are you not supportive of the stance that the Iranian people are taking?
How is it that you feel that the US is meddling in their affairs? Should we be as complacent as the previous PPOTUS and ignore the plight of the Iranian people?
What exactly is the strategy that you would rather see in action?
Talk is cheap if you have never experienced living in an oppressive Islamic hellhole.
christianblood says
blitz2b
Because I don’t believe in the “Deep State” neocon propaganda narrative spoused my the MSM and the State Department. I believe in the Truth and the Truth is that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Salafi/Takfiri islamists are far, far more dangerous than Iran. Iran is actually fighting ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other jihadists allies supported by Saudi Arabia and West in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and beyond. The only true reason why they hate Iran is that Iran won’t be a puppet of the US and the West. That is all.
Linnte says
Why is it, Christianblood, that you always seem to miss the big picture? It is ALL of Islam that is dangerous. Islam itself is evil. There is absolutely nothing good and Godly about Islam. And Muslims, who are human beings, carry this disease called Islam, and innoculate every aspect and every person they come in contact with, with this disease called ISLAM. It doesn’t matter what sect, or whether a Muslim is radical, moderate or Liberal. Islam is like the Borg of Star Trek, and wants to assimilate all beings into it’s collective.
blitz2b says
christianblood says “… and the Truth is that Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Salafi/Takfiri islamists are far, far more dangerous than Iran….”
OK, So you’ve just identified Iran a the lesser of the two evils….. Big deal! That still doesn’t answer my question as to why you would object to the current uprising of the Iranian people against the Islamic failed state of Iran and the voice of support that the current POTUS is giving to these people for the sake of their freedom ?
What have you got against western styled democracies? Even the wretched people in the current battered and imporvished Islamic hellholes prefer immigrating to these nations in search of a better life where freedom of thought and action prevails, rather than going to another hellhole of an Islamic persuasion, and you who are privileged to have been born and bred in the safety of these nations shamelessly gnaw at it’s foundations.
In the end it will all boil down to us verses them, and that is NOT our agenda but it is clearly Islam’s. We will be forced to take sides, so it does you no good to behave like a termite in your own home when a very real enemy is knocking at your doors.
gravenimage says
Christianblood, the idea that there is no reason to hate what Iran is doing–as I have noted, marrying off little children, hanging gay people, stoning women to death, and vowing to wipe Israel off the map–and that these horrors are all just brave examples of Iran not adhering to American values–is, I’m afraid, just perverse.
These are not Russian values, either–nor the values of any civilized nation. How can you defend them?
Sarah says
I’m happy to see a separatist movement don’t get me wrong. But these rebels don’t want, what we want. Sure they want the Mullah’s held to account and their power curtailed, but even if that were to happen, that doesn’t make Iran and its people a nice safe, modern-thinking, forward country.
I just don’t trust them. When there is still Islam involved. And I haven’t seen anyone yet come out and scream for the eradication of Islam. While they still follow that primitive and sickening ideology, they are still as bad as they have always been before.
As for the UN, frankly, I’m all for my nation and the US to dump our memberships. Walk away from it. And with the Sunni Alliance currently effectively running the UN, it seems bizarrely uninformed or even ignorant of these rebels to call out to the UN. Just how well do they understand what has happened and is happening with the United Nations,these days? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the OIC Sunni game players are running the show, how do these rebels not already know this?
Because its kind of like these Iranian rebels asking the Saudis to help them. Well, that’s pretty much exactly what they’re doing, let’s face it. And the Saudi’s, along with the rest of the Sunni OIC state’s would ulullate all day long if Iran and its people were wiped off the map. I doubt the Saudis – or any Sunni state whatsoever would get into bed with the rebels in Iran. Sure, it may be a strategic move, but this is good old Sunni vs Shiite. That’s a clash for the ages and no ‘self-respecting’ Muslim will ever overlook that difference, or set it aside for even a few minutes.
gravenimage says
I take all your points, Sarah.
Like you, even if the Resistance is successful, I don’t expect full democracy and freedom in Iran.
But if it were to go from it being a full “Islamist” state to something even a little more “moderate”, that would be a very good thing.
I’m thinking Egypt under the Muslim Brotherhood–an active threat to Israel and of full state genocide against the Copts–to something just a little less awful under Al-Sisi, would be a very good thing if something similar happened in Iran.
Sarah says
That’s fair and reasonable, Graven. I guess I’m not being very fair or reasonable LOL. 😉
We have (in my nation) the most populous Muslim nation on the planet, a bloody boat ride away. And Indonesia has the ‘glorious’ perception of being ‘moderate’. They are anything but moderate. They’re just not powerful enough to do anything about it, right now.
I fear that when it comes to Islam, the term ‘moderate’ just means ‘not strong enough yet to fight, so we’re biding time and marshaling resources until we’re ready’.
A ‘moderate’ Iran is just a sleeping pit bull with a great big dose of advanced rabies.
Thomas Brewster says
I agree with most of what you said. But defeating this ideology will have to go in steps, is it not? A more secular Iran could eventually lead to the adoption of some Western values.
Wellington says
Thanks for your comments, Sarah. Yes indeed, the only sensible thing to do with Islam is to consign it once and for all to the trash heap of history.
I suppose it was close to inevitable that mankind would get a major religion that would suck to the core. Mankind did get this. Mankind got Islam.
There is no salvaging Islam anymore than there is salvaging Marxism or Nazism. Until the world at large, and especially the West, realizes this, the massively dysfunctional, stupid, destructive and inimical religion that goes by the name of “Islam” will still function as a major burden upon us all.
And even after such a hoped-for realization, Islam, just as with Marxism and Nazism, will still hang around as yet another metaphorical cockroach manifesting itself in annoying, destructive, useless and parasite form. Rather like the Black Death, which first broke out in the mid-14th century and kept coming back periodically until the late-17th century. Mankind should be so lucky to only have Islam “hang around” for another 300 years or so, as with the Black Death. But perhaps I wax too optimistic like.
Yes, if Islam could be as dead as the Black Death three centuries from now, I would accept this compromise, even considering all the unnecessary deaths, maimings, stultification of many minds and freedom-destroying initiatives which would ensue from this heinous belief system refusing to go away. Rather like the Black Death which I mentioned. Indeed, a fine equivalent name for Islam could actually be “Black Death,” as, for example, the religions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Black Death. Surely.
Ziba Delavar says
Sarah, Iranians do not want Islam. We are Persians. We are not Arabs. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Iran. Once this evil Islamic government is overthrown, most if not all will convert to Christianity. Some will uphold the ancient :Persian religion of Zoroastrianism and others probably will remain Bahi, and some will choose to be atheists. But I can assure you Islam will have no place in Iran’s future.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, Sarah. I say again that I take your points. I am heartened by this in Iran, but do not want to fall prey to irrational exuberance.
gravenimage says
Good post, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Nonetheless, Ziba Delavar, Iran has been under of the heel of Islam for over 1300 years now, and is currently one of the most hideous Shari’ah states in the world.
If that changes, no one would be happier than myself.
christianblood says
Ziba Delavar
You are right. Majority of Iranians don’t want islam and that Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Iran, that Iranian people are not Arabs or Pakis but are smart, civilized and cultured people who have ancient civilization that ruled the world for thousands of years, and that a big number of Iranian people want to become Zoroastrian, which is an ancient faith originated in Iran. That is all true. It is also true that real source of violent jihadist ideology that is currently engulfing the world is not based in Iran but in Saudi Arabia, a US ally, and that ALL the 32320 deadly islamic terrorist attacks which have been carried out since 9/11 have been carried out NOT by Iranians but by Wahhabi/Takfiri jihadists who are ideologically, doctrinally, denominationally and to large extent, financially rooted in Saudi Arabia. Do you know why then the US and its allies really hate Iran? It is simply because Iran will NOT be a US puppet and that Iran prevents the US and its allies to spread their hegemonic empire in the region, namely in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon. That is why they hate Iran. Iran is preventing the US, pro-Takfiri neocon imperialists and its Sunni jihadist allies in the region to do whatever they want in the region and for that Iran deserves our respect. I don’t agree everything that Iran does but I do respect Iran for its independence and for its war against ISIS and other US and Saudi-backed jihadists places like Syria. .
gravenimage says
Why does Christianblood consider the horrors of Shari’ah praiseworthy in Iran? Simply because Iran is–nominally–an ally of Russia.
Anti-Jihadists here also criticize Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, and know they are no allies of the West.
But Christianblood loves anyone who is opposing the West–even if they want to see him oppressed or dead, as well.
christianblood says
gravenimage
All I am saying is that there should be NO, pro-ISIS, pro-Alqaeda US and Saudi-sponsored regime change in Iran. If there should be a regime change anywhere, we need in the US where so many bad things are happening!
Linnte says
I like what you said about moderate meaning, ‘not strong enough yet to fight’. That’s exactly correct.
Islam needs full eradication throughout the world so the name Muhammad is forever forgotten.
gravenimage says
christianblood wrote:
gravenimage
All I am saying is that there should be NO, pro-ISIS, pro-Alqaeda US and Saudi-sponsored regime change in Iran. If there should be a regime change anywhere, we need in the US where so many bad things are happening!
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Firstly, the idea–which you constantly spout–that the United States is “pro-ISIS, pro-Alqaeda” is utterly false. We have done more than anyone except Russia to push ISIS back.
And the idea that Iranians protesting the horrors of Shari’ah is “pro-ISIS, pro-Alqaeda US and Saudi-sponsored” is absurd. Iranians would have no interest in trading being persecuted by the Mullahs for being persecuted by Sunni hardliners. This is ridiculous.
And, finally, you are calling for the overthrow of Donald Trump? Why? He has been the most consistently Anti-Jihad president in modern times.
That you want to see this is deeply troubling. I will not even ask what you want to see our democracy replaced with.
christianblood says
gravenimage posted
(..We have done more than anyone except Russia to push ISIS back..)
Give me a break! America pretends it is fighting ISIS in some selective areas but fully and covertly supports them in other areas. You can’t have it both ways! For instance, about a year ago, US secretly coordinated with an ISIS ground attack in Deir al-Zor (Syria) bombing unsuspecting Syrian soldiers who were fighting ISIS and killed dozens of them! Read it below and please refrain from talking about something you don’t really understand.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa/u-s-led-jets-kill-dozens-of-syrian-soldiers-russia-monitor-idUSKCN11N0PT
gravenimage says
The idea that this was in support of ISIS is ludicrous.
mariam rove says
Like you, even if the Resistance is successful, I don’t expect full democracy and freedom in Iran.
Happy Holidays! I disagree. Once the flood gates open, it is all over. M
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
All jurisdictions that have Mohammadan majorities quickly degrade into hell-holes. Iran is no exception. They may have elections but do you really think they are any different? Only a secular tyranny makes such a country livable.
Look at Turkey. The everyday Turk is deceiving themselves in thinking that they can keep their secular standard of living (previously enforced by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s instructions for the Army to protect the secular aspect of the nation) and a Mohammadan state.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, miriam.
I very much hope I am wrong and you are right.
In any case, I hope this augers well for better days in Iran.
Ziba Delavar says
gravenimage,Iran has been under the yoke of Islam for 1400 years. During this dark period, Persians were kept oppressed and were never allowed proper education or progress. Reza Shah the father of the last Shah wanted to modernize the country but unfortunately for him, he backed the wrong side during WWII and sided with Hitler which led to British replacing him with his young son. The Pahlavis wanted to westernize Iran, but the country was too backwards and too Islamic. Now, the situation is different. Iran today is a very young country. Over two-thirds of the population is between 18 and 35 and they do not want Islam or any other religion. I know. I have been on different threads on YouTube and they don’t even want Christianity – they are all atheists. I think that they having lived under the harsh rule of Islam have gotten the real taste of what Islam is all about. Who wants to be hanged or flogged or stoned to death for slightest thing in the 21st century. And I think democracy can quickly be established if this government is overthrown. Iranians do not want religion. But as I mentioned before Christianity is fast growing. There are many Iranian pastors who preach in church houses; some have been killed. I think Iranian people need support in their fight for freedom not suspicion or mistrust. Iran is not Syria or like other Arab nations. They have a long and rich history. Had it not been for Islam, this country right now would be a first nation. My heart breaks when I see that Persia is reduced to a hellhole and all because of one freaking man – Khomeini. May the soul of this man burn in hell for all eternity along with that barbarian Muhammad who unleashed so much misery in the world and destroyed a rich country like Persia.
gravenimage says
As with mariam, Ziba, I hope you are correct. I certainly have a great deal of respect for the bravery of these protesters.
Carol says
Zeba Delavar
It would be interesting if everyone here revisited the 2014 movie ROSEWATER. Most people see Iran through the impression given by the likes of Ahmadinejad and the bearded ones, but in this movie the strong, un-muslim-like undercurrent is apparent.
The Green Party, at the time (2009), was fighting to support Moussavi – the prime challenger against Ahmadinejad. The reporter Maziar Bahari got caught up in it and was arrested for months. The movie is based on his book Then They Came for Me.
If you have not watched Stefan Molyneux’s video “The Road to Revolution: The Iranian Revolution”, I’m sure you would enjoy it, Reza.
Wojciech Nowiński says
I think you’re being unfair to these people. As a person growing under dictatorship, even if less cruel than Iranian or North-Korean, still I can understand what the dream of freedom is. Sure, even if they’re successful Iran won’t become totally secular, western-like nation but you don’t know that for sure. And you can’t expect dramatic changes to happen overnight, but every step in the right direction should be welcomed don’t you agree?
gravenimage says
Yes, I do agree with you. Thanks for your perspective.
And today Poland–I presume you are Polish?–*is* a free nation. The first stirrings under Solidarność (Solidarity) were of utmost importance.
Wellington says
The dream is not enough, Wojciech Nowinski. It must be accompanied by great realism too, for instance disavowing that “Islam Light” is an option.
I trust you grasp my meaning here since there is no such thing as a kinder, more benevolent Marxism, ditto for Nazism, the KKK, anarchism, and, yes, Islam.
Sometimes, you know, only establishing a completely clean slate will cure matters. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes gradualism is not the way to go. If ever the case, it is the case with Islam.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, Wellington. W.E. Gladstone was right when he stated that there would be no peace in the world while ‘this cursed book’ exists.
gravenimage says
Also, Poland had a civilized history pre-WWII–just a few decades. Still a lot to overcome, certainly–years of Communism and takeover by the Nazis before that.
Still, it was within living memory of many.
Unlike Iran, where you have to go back over 1300 years to before Islam.
AleX says
Very true,
Sarah.
The only chance Iranians have is to renounce Islam completely and forever.
They need a new constitution and charter of rights to get out of the dark.
gravenimage says
Iranian resistance urges UN to recognize “legitimate right of people of Iran to overthrow ruling religious fascism”
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Wow. Not that they can expect support from the appalling UN, but that they asked the question in the first place.
mortimer says
GI, we can dream in Technicolor. Sometimes, dreams come true.
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer. But given the fact that the UN is dominated by unfree nations–especially Muslim ones in the OIC–I think this unlikely.
But as I noted, even asking this question is a step in the right direction for constructive change in Iran.
TheBuffster says
Challenging the UN with this kind of moral certitude and defiance of that organization’s ethical flabbiness and corruption should happen every single day.
I’m glad that the rebels went to the UN to make their statement and to challenge them to do the right thing. It’s almost beside the point if the UN does the wrong thing – except that it shows anyone who’s paying attention just how useless or destructive the UN is regarding the human rights that they’re supposed to uphold.
So the Iranian secularists have put their case before the world, like their own version of the Declaration of Independence, telling the world why they’re doing what they’re doing, what they want, and why it’s right.
Some of them may want actual freedom. Some may think Marxism is still the way to go. But the Iranians that I know and talk to claim that a large portion of Iranians look on Islam as an Arab intrusion into their once great Persian culture, and look back to the time of the Shah as a far more secular, civilized and desirable time, despite the presence of Islam and any corruption that the Shah may have done.
Look at pictures of Iran before Khomeini took over. Look at photos of the night life. Look at how beautfully and fashionably the women dressed in everyday photos. Listen to Iranians who lived at that time reminisce about those better, secular days and how little religion featured in their lives.
I think there’s much more hope for Iran than for most other Muslim countries, because there’s a strong undercurrent of resentment that Arab/Islamic culture invaded and subjugated the Persians and their own culture – a culture that many Iranians consider better than what the Muslims imposed on them. That resentment may have been sleeping while religion was on the back burner and people were free to live more “Western” lives, but once Khomeini and his religious thugs turned up the dial to full Islamic heat, the resentment of that religious intrusion also has risen to full heat.
And now, with a friendlier president in the White House, I think we’re going to see more risk-taking and outspokenness from the Persians who want their culture and freedom back.
How it will all pan out, I’m not going to try to predict. But I’m not going to nay-say. I want these people to prevail. I just hope there aren’t a lot of Marxists among them to wreck the project in the end.
However, I will say that with the Internet and the rise of the YouTube Muslim apostates and various organisations striving to educate about Islam and liberty, there’s more and better means than ever to break the hold of tyrannies over the human mind.
Those who love individual liberty should take full advantage of this medium, and should give their full effort to keep it open to the battle of ideas from all sides.
gravenimage says
Good post, Buffster.
Terry Gain says
Exactly. It made my heart sing. They are exposing Islam and the bought and corrupt UN at the same time as well as demonstrating their own virtue and worth. This is a Trifecta.
TheBuffster says
Amen, Terry!
Phil Copson says
Now that a nation with the experience of having lost their freedom, recognise the oppression as “religious fascism”, will that deter any on the Left from identifying with “fascism” ?
Or are they so in love with imposing tyranny, that they don’t care what variety it is, as long as they get to pull the levers ?
We can but hope….
mortimer says
Quote: “the regime’s actions constitute a clear crime against humanity, and confronting them is the responsibility of the United Nations”.
Point well taken! The mullahocracy is clearly not a legitimate expression of a popular vote and new, fair elections must be held with a selection of candidate made by a popular ‘bottom-up’, rather than a top-down process.
Only a head of the armed forces has the power to arrest the heads of government and ask the crown prince to form a unity government of transition as new elections are prepared. (If only my wish could come true.)
Here’s hoping the mullahs may start to turn on each other.
katherine says
Someone please remind them that if they fail to topple the mullahs, Iran could become a nuclear graveyard eventually. The present dictatorship believes that a nuclear war against Israel is winnable because the Muslim population will recover very fast whatever the outcome.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Not to mention that the Iranian regime executes an average of a thousand people a year. If they fail to topple the regime, what will be the number for this year?
gravenimage says
This is my biggest worry. These people are very brave.
Terry Gain says
If Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons, Iran will be completely destroyed by the United States
gravenimage says
We certainly have the capacity to do it. But politics being what they are today, the pressure on the US *not* to respond to a nuclear attack would be huge.
katherine says
The US might as well supply Israel with half a dozen Trident subs – that will dissociate the Americans from having to make very tough decisions and direct involvement in any nuclear conflict in the mid-east.
gravenimage says
I’m not sure the Israel will wipe out any attacker, either.
Ziba Delavar says
katherine, the crazy, fanatical, delusional and totally evil Islamic government of Iran wants to use nuclear weapon against Israel and probably America because they think by creating mayhem around the world they can hurry the end times which ushers in Mehdi, the 12th Imam. And that is the reason that they think they are going to win. They think both Mehdi and Jesus will return and Mehdi is going to take Jesus to Kaaba and do Hajj. Muslims are crazy people because they have been following the doctrine of a crazy barbarian. But I am certain that if Iranians get rid of their government we might be able to see the end of this nightmare. Maybe I am delusional. But I see that this problem with Islam sprang from the advent of Khomeini in the political scene. Prior to Khomeini, people did not wear hijab in the Middle East, except for Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states. Even Afghanistan women did not wear hijab. But suddenly after Khomeini Islam spreads like rapid fire in the Middle East and then comes to west. If Iran secularizes which I have no doubt it would if Islam falls, then it will spread to other regions in the Middle East and then in the west we can get rid of Islam once and for all. Look, as a Christian I have to believe that Jesus is hard at work to bring the demise of Islam.
Terry Gain says
Bless you Ziba.
TheBuffster says
There’s a reason why Islam demands death for apostasy. I forget which well-placed Muslim said it, but if Islam didn’t have death for apostasy Islam would shrink to insignificance.
Ziba said: ” the crazy, fanatical, delusional and totally evil Islamic government of Iran wants to use nuclear weapon against Israel and probably America because they think by creating mayhem around the world they can hurry the end times which ushers in Mehdi, the 12th Imam. And that is the reason that they think they are going to win. They think both Mehdi and Jesus will return and Mehdi is going to take Jesus to Kaaba and do Hajj. Muslims are crazy people because they have been following the doctrine of a crazy barbarian. ”
This is what the religious tyrants of Iran believe. This is bat-shit crazy stuff, and I would be surprised if a large majority believed in it – maybe a small majority *at most* has been sufficiently brainwashed. But people keep their mouths shut under a tyranny until they think there may be a chance to win their freedom.
Could this protest be hijacked by Sunnis or Marxists? Yes. But I do think that a good portion of Iranians are genuinely fed up with Islamic rule. They weren’t living under extreme Sharia and then they were, and now a lot of them are sick of it. And I would not be the least surprised if they’re also completely sick of Islam itself.
But in order to get rid of Islam you have to first get back to a secular government. There’s no free market of ideas unless you can do that.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
Ziba, if you think Jesus wants victory over the world or other Religions by the use of our human methods, you are badly mistaken. When we follow Jesus, obey Jesus’ Holy Spirit and work to proclaim his Word of SALVATION like those in The DIVINE and THE SEHION Retreat Centres, Kerala, INDIA, things are going to be in his way and according to his plan. No salvation for the World and for it’s people without the CROSS of the Lord. We all need to carry it and follow him and do his bidding.
katherine says
Ummm… As I understand it the end times arrive only when every last Jew on earth has been liquidated, so the Jews will have to be very stupid to concentrate themselves in the tiny state of Israel for a mass slaughter to facilitate the return of Isa.
On the other hand having them scattered among the ignoramuses of the west will turn them into Israel-hating Liberal Jews. Maybe they should borrow an idea from the immigrants and start forming enclaves around the world.
Many many many… little Israels – like offshore industrial powerhouses beneficial to their host countries. Puzzle now – what went wrong with the idea of a Jewish Oblast near Khabarovsk ?
elee says
A little less than a millennium ago statements like this started showing up in the West. Then they accelerated, kept showing up, more and more in shorter time periods. Well it all led up to something called the Thirty Years War, which kind of dampened our enthusiasm for all things theocratic. Throughout the half-millennium arbitrarily defined by the above events, things mostly ended poorly for the folks who had the necessity and the courage to issue the statements. Come to think of it the same can be said for time spans before and after too. Hey Muslims you didn’t think we got our liberties for free did you? How does one say “TienanmenSquare” in Farsi?
Wellington says
But keep this in mind, elee: When Christians have acted badly in the name of their faith, they were violating the tenets of their creed. When Muslims to this day act badly in the name of their faith, for instance waging war upon non-Muslims or denying equality under the law to non-Muslims as Muslims do in ALL 56 Muslim-majority nations, they are fulfilling major tenets of their creed.
A greater difference between these two religions would be difficult to construct, and I write all this as someone who thinks that all religions are fairy tales but one convinced that Islam is not just another fairy tale but an enormously insidious one. This is why I would completely embrace every Muslim in the world waking up tomorrow a devout Christian. No contest here.
I don’t give a damn about the next life. I don’t even believe there is a next life. But I do very much care about life in this world and Islam is the ONLY religion that allows its believers in its theological blueprint to use force in this world to enforce its fairy tale. Herein lies the reason, above all reasons, why Islam is iniquitous to such things as liberty, equality under the law, women’s rights, fine alcohol, great music, romantic love and desiring to have some joy in life.
I rest my case.
Ray Jarman says
Wellington, you make some very valid points. Just think what the UN would attempt if it were Israel or maybe the Czech Republic shooting innocent unarmed Muslim demonstrators. The people in the streets are only demanding justice rather than rioting for absolute no reasons like the Marxist groups here in the US. The UN doesn’t appear to mind if the cowardly Islamic governments shoot their own people whether they be Sunni or Shia. Boko Harem, who has killed three young girls per day, kills innocent people in a market and not one word from UN. It is time that the US and all other nations whose people understands the difference between right and wrong extricate themselves from the League of Nations part two since like the former, it has proven useless even with the US as a member.
Wellington says
Well, I’m sure you’ll understand, Ray Jarman, why I second your points.
Simpatico and all that.
elee says
Thank you Wellington, you’re preaching to the choir. After a fair amount of study I have come to the same conclusion you have, and I’ve posted from time to time to that effect. Christianity tells us to aspire to forgive and to love. Islam plays to the part of the psyche that battens on senses of injustice, grievance(s) (mostly imagined and/or ginned up with a lot of taqiyyah), resentment and vengeance. I often lament that such a cult competes so successfully with our defining religion. Islam delenda est.
Rick says
Never happen not with United Nations of Islamic marxist countries
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Note that this demo happened in Paris. I’d be impressed if they had the courage to do this in Ankara.
https://www.rt.com/news/415108-topless-femen-erdogan-kurds-paris/
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
It seems like Trump is starting to pick speed and is making a real impact:
https://www.rt.com/usa/415114-unrwa-funding-suspended-palestinians/
Thomas Kimball says
Going to a bunch of fascists to get relief from fascism?
Ren says
Enough is enough is enough. Mullahs’ regime to be ousted forever.
Enough is enough is enough. Never again islamic way of life.
Donna Summer
Islam_Macht_Frei says
There are some smokin’ hot Iranian babes, as the picture shows.
Guy Forester says
Where are the Iranian armed forces? Under guard in their bases, held at gunpoint by the basij and IRGC?
Time to stand up for the people of Iran. We can do very little from the outside if the military cannot or will not stand up to the mullahs and their goon squads.
Bombard the SWR airwaves to get the people stirred up against these despots.
Fred H says
The difference between now and 1979 is that the Iranian regime has the full benefit of computers in its oppression of the Iranian populace. Many western companies, like Siemens, are extremely happy to assist them with the latest phone and IT surveillance technology. That is one reason why this uprising doesn’t stand a ghost of a chance unless a large section of the military also rebels.
Ziba Delavar says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WLYs8Q2kg
christianblood says
Ziba Delavar
Thanks for sharing this video Ziba! Nikki Haley is such a brave and sophisticated diplomat that she is now extending her political prowess to protect the democratic republic of “Binomo” from the evil Russian interference. Watch the whole interview with the great Nikki below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RgXL7byTF0
gravenimage says
More sneering for Christianblood. He does not care how decent someone is, so long as he can get his digs in. *Ugh*.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Not sneering but a fact, Graven. Please watch the video. It is fun!
gravenimage says
Of course I’ve seen it. Yes, politicians and diplomats sometimes have gaps in their knowledge and make silly errors. I’m sure I could find examples among Russians if I wanted to–but unless it is something substantive, I have no interest in this.
Nikki Haley is not perfect–but she is a decent person largely doing good work, and that is better than most nations have right now.
Ziba Delavar says
God bless Trump. God bless Trump. God bless Trump.
DogOnPorch says
Canada’s Prime Minister Trudeau sides with the Mullahs and terrorists.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
UN should rather pay attention to atrocities being committed by more fascists evil zionist state of Israel. Iranian leaders are not fascists. Their only wrong doing is that they oppose hegemonic control over their nation by evil united states to soak its bloods through unfair and exploitative economic relations
StellaSaidSo says
You mean those ‘unfair and exploitative economic relations’ whereby millions of stupid and bone lazy Muslim free-loaders in Western countries bludge off the welfare state?
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Iranian leaders are not fascists. Their only wrong doing is that they oppose hegemonic control over their nation by evil united states to soak its bloods through unfair and exploitative economic relations
…………………………..
Ibrahim itace muhammed does not consider child rape, hanging gay people, stoning women to death, oppression, torture, mass executions, and vowing to wipe Israel off the map to be fascist.
In other words, he does not consider fascism to be fascist…
melek-ric says
Hmm. So Muslims in Iran are describing their Shari’a-governed political system as “religious fascism”. Would it be Islamophobic for us to quote that to Western Leftists?
gravenimage says
All spot on, Jay Boo.
Politicianophobia says
Love to see the freak, I bra him posting and taking time out from thighing some, sweet, little girl. Too funny, the filthy, swine himself referring to filth.
maghan says
Yeh, bet he takes Khomeini’s sex and rape advice to heart.
Politicianophobia says
I wonder what Jimmy Carter has to say.
Rich says
CUT THE CRAP. ISLAM MUST BE EXTERMINATED. HERE’S HOW.
Islam is a political system, NOT a religion, and unless and until humanity wakes the hell up and STOPS referring to it as a religion, there is no hope. Islam is a hyper-aggressive, militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian political system designed to create a super-rich micro-oligarchical ruling class with a massive, destitute, genetically handicapped underclass below.
Here is a quote from Osama bin Laden that sums it all up:
“Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue; one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice, and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; or [2] payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or [3] the sword, for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.”
–Osama Bin Laden
(The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42)
Well, you can pour maple syrup on a puddle of bloody, diarrhetic hogshit all you want, but it will never, ever be pancakes.
THIS is how the musloid problem should be faced and solved. It isn’t difficult.
Use the only thing they understand – PHYSICAL FORCE AND STRENGTH.
Aggressively proselytize. Fully acknowledge that even a converted musloid, like a domesticated wild animal, will be dangerous for the rest of his life and can never be fully trusted.
http://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/06/05/cut-the-crap-islam-must-be-exterminated-heres-how/
Linnte says
The human part of me wholly agrees, but the born again Christian part of me says, “bring them to Jesus first”. So that’s what I DO. Every day. I speak with Muslims on YouTube. It’s the only place where I CAN speak to them.
And the Bible tells us Islam WILL be eradicated one day. I hope it’s soon, cuz it is so depressing hearing how Muslims think. Maranatha!
Guest says
How does it go, talking to them online? Any success?