As I noted here, this purge was several years in the making, and I was – inadvertently – the one who touched it off. In August 2010, I gave a talk on Islam and jihad to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force — one of many such talks I gave to government agencies and military groups in those years. While some had counseled me to keep these talks quiet so as to avoid attracting the ire of the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the possibility of that pressure seemed to me to make it all the more important to announce my appearances publicly, so as to show that the U.S. government was not going to take dictation from a group linked to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Those who had urged silence were proven correct, however, for the Obama administration was indeed disposed to take dictation from CAIR. CAIR sent a series of letters to Mueller and others demanding that I be dropped as a counter-terror trainer; the organization even started a “coalition” echoing this demand, and Jesse Jackson and other Leftist luminaries joined it.
At the FBI, Mueller made no public comment on CAIR’s demand, and so it initially appeared that CAIR’s effort had failed. But I was never again invited to provide counter-terror training for any government agency, after having done so fairly regularly for the previous five years. CAIR’s campaign to keep me from taking part in counter-terror training was, of course, not personal. They targeted me simply because I told the truth, just as they would target anyone else who dared do so. Everyone else who told the truth was similarly targeted and purged.
“Judicial Watch: Mueller Worked With Radical Islamists to Purge Anti-Terror Training Docs Offensive to Muslims,” by Michael W. Chapman, CNS News, January 23, 2018 (thanks to Lookmann):
Commenting on Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating President Trump for alleged “collusion” with Russia, Judicial Watch said that, as FBI director under President Obama, Mueller purged the Bureau of all anti-terrorism training material that was deemed “offensive” to Muslims. This was done, said Judicial Watch, “after secret meetings between Islamic organizations and the FBI chief.”
Judicial Watch obtained the documents on Mueller and the Muslim groups after filing a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the FBI in July 2012. Mueller had met with the Muslims groups on Feb. 8, 2012, after which the curricula purge took place, said Judicial Watch.
“As FBI director, Mueller bent over backwards to please radical Islamist groups and caved into their demands,” said Judicial Watch. “The agency eliminated the valuable anti-terrorism training material and curricula after Mueller met with various Islamist organizations, including those with documented ties too terrorism.”
“Among them were two organizations— Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)—named by the U.S. government as unindicted co-conspirators in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing case,” said the government watchdog group.
After that Feb. 8, 2012 meeting, FBI Director Mueller “assured the Muslim groups that he had ordered the removal of presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices nationwide,” said Judicial Watch.
“The purge was part of a broader Islamist operation designed to influence the opinions and actions of persons, institutions, governments and the public at-large. The records obtained by Judicial Watch also show similar incidents of Islamic influence operations at the Departments of Justice and State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Obama White House.”
Judicial Watch further reported, “Mueller’s actions have had a widespread effect because many local law enforcement agencies followed the FBI’s lead in allowing Islamic groups like CAIR to dictate what anti-terrorism material could be used to train officers. Among them are police departments in three Illinois cities— Lombard, Elmhurst and Highland Park—as well as the New York Police Department (NYPD).”
“In the case of the Lombard Police Department,” said Judicial Watch, “CAIR asserted that the instructor of a training course called ‘Islamic Awareness as a Counter-Terrorist Strategy’ was anti-Muslim though there was no evidence to support it. Like the FBI, Lombard officials got rid of the ‘offensive’ course. The NYPD purged a highly-acclaimed report that’s proven to be a critical tool in terrorism investigations after three New York Muslims, two mosques and an Islamic nonprofit filed a lawsuit.”
“Considering Mueller’s role in much of this, it makes him a bizarre choice to lead the heated Russia investigation,” said the watchdog group.
Judicial Watch’s report on Mueller can be read here….
Indiana Tom says
Those who had urged silence were proven correct, however, for the Obama administration was indeed disposed to take dictation from CAIR. Well, Osama Obama and Louis Farrakhan are the best of buds. What do you expect with a middle name like Hussein?
Terry Gain says
Obama’s June 2009 speech in Cairo exposed him as a Muslim.
Westman says
Interestingly, Obama was an imitation Oreo Cookie who gave black leaders the cold shoulder and loved to bring black entertainers for performances at the White House.
Perhaps someone here can fill in the details of the leadership Obama displayed to improve black lives. I’m having trouble remembering.
madpatriot says
He is a muslim and loves the call to prayer from the towers….worse excuse of a president to EVER dust the chair with is feet upon the antique Lincoln Desk, as a footstool!!!
Anyone that kowtows to muslims is of satan. They Are our enemies and are the enemy of the world for now. They will be pounded into the sand, just like many others will be, when the One World Government takes over and tells everyone on the planet who is whom and what is what and no one will be allowed to go against them or say a word- or die. Communism is coming folks and unless we stop it and stand firm now for freedom at least buying some time, we are headed to hell on earth, much less the real hell they will go to when we are on our way to heaven! The ignorance and insanity right now is absurd, yet so many just look the other way?! Are you not getting very angry yet? What are you waiting for? Our government is corrupt- what else do you need to know? There is no help coming folks- the cavalry is US!!!!
StellaSaidSo says
Obama was indeed disposed to follow CAIR’s instructions. But the Muslim Brotherhood penetration of the White House started long before Obama became President.
Terry Gain says
Bush was clueless about Islam. Obama was raised a Muslim as a young boy and was an advocate for Islam.
StellaSaidSo says
I did not say that Bush was not clueless about Islam. I said that the Muslim Brotherhood penetration of the WH started long before Obama became President. This is a fact. Bush was surrounded by MB operatives in the WH. The Bush family has a long history of business connections with Saudi Arabia, including the Bin Laden family. Look it up.
J D S says
Mueller has no business investigating anything. Anyone who has any contact with Hamas Linked organizations in whatever position should not be investigating anything to do with our government and suppressing information from our government agencies about Islam sounds like it is nothing short of treason and suppressing this in government manuals???Wow!
madpatriot says
That is true and there are more than just Obama that was or is now there…they are increasingly placing themselves in official roles to make their move as the world’s religion of satan.
John Moe says
I’d like to see the material that was purged.
I had heard of this before but did not know the Mueller was the guy who actually did the purging. Of course this was a silly idea in the first place because the police agencies need to be aware of everything and anything that might have to do with their work. Purging this material from their training handicaps them in the field.
Terry Gain says
The material which was purged is displayed on this site on a daily basis.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Right you are, Sir. Look no further than JW.
StellaSaidSo says
‘Purging this material from their training handicaps them in the field.’
That was why it was purged.
Michael Copeland says
Indeed. As a result of the purge the FBI and Police were deprived of dots to connect. The FBI failed to heed warnings fro Russia and Saudi Arabia concerning Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Failure to connect dots left the Waltham triple slaying uninvestigated. If it had been pursued Tamerlan Tsarnaev would have been arrested and deprived of the opportunity to murder and maim at the Boston Marathon.
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/triple-unsolved-murder-unconnected-dots
Stacy Girl says
His malevolence can be measured in lives lost. He is a wicked statist poser. No one does this without motive.
Roderick MacUalraig says
You’re right.
You see that everywhere in the part of government responsible for protecting the American people, actually. And once you see it you start seeing it all over the place. The intentional-ness of the prevention of 100% competence and capability.
There are puppet masters making sure that the men & women at the point of the spear aren’t as knowledgeable, martially capable, and proficient as they can possibly be.
Truth.
Norger says
As Stephen Coughlin says, making a conscious decision not to study an enemy’s self-avowed threat doctrine is absolutely insane from a national security standpoint. It’s treasonous.
Terry Gain says
The training manuals were purged because the American President was a true believer in the goodness of Islam. He did not set out to undermine security. That would have led to the possibility of Obama being blamed for an increase in terrorism. Obama does not believe that Islam is a threat. That by itself does not prove that he was anything more than a stupid leftist but the Cairo speech revealed Obama as a true believer where he claimed “Islam was revealed” and referred to the Muslim War Manual as”the holy Koran” in the most sickening unctuous manner possible.
StellaSaidSo says
BHO was a true believer in Islam, and, as such, could not have been ignorant of the threat that Islam poses to the free world. BHO is also a true believer in Marxism, and in Globalism, which are also a threat to the free world. There is little doubt that BHO set out to undermine the security of the US, and that, thru the hundreds of Obama holdovers within the US bureaucracy, he continues to exert influence. The swamp is deep and wide, and swarming with traitors.
gravenimage says
This isn’t “silly”, John–it is far more dangerous than that.
jule says
And my question is still WHY? Just saying its offensive to Islam is not a good answer. That is actually admitting Islam is the cause. So WHY do it? Is it only to keep our corporate ‘interests’ or military bases going in Mideast? What is the reason for not having a real counter terrorism task force in our country? Its not just religion because US goes after Waco, Texas types or Mormons when they go too far. So What is the real Reason? The deep down real reason?
Please let me know
That’s where we need to start
Terry Gain says
And ignorant people keep telling us that Mueller is a Republican. As much of a Republican as George, Religion Of Peace, Bush, but so what. He’s not what we need: an honest and courageous conservative willing to tell the truth,
gravenimage says
There are certainly more clueless Democrats, but many Republicans are in denial about the threat of Islam, as well.
Terry Gain says
Yes. That’s certainly true of the Bush wing. And Romney. But I am not aware of any prominent D who is willing to admit that even radical Islam ( fundamentalist Islam) is a threat.
gravenimage says
True, Terry.
jule says
Yes, but what is the deep down reason? We go after Waco, Texas types or Mormans when they go too far so what is the deepest down reason? It isn’t oil any more. We do have buccu Corporations/mining ect in Mideast today and military bases but that is no excuse to bring the danger into our county. So what is the deepest reason for the fained ignorance?
Indiana Tom says
“Considering Mueller’s role in much of this, it makes him a bizarre choice to lead the heated Russia investigation,” said the watchdog group.
Oh, it actually makes a great deal of sense with the secret society that FBI agents mention in their communiques.
Diane Harvey says
“for the Obama administration was indeed disposed to take dictation from CAIR. CAIR sent a series of letters to Mueller and others demanding that I be dropped as a counter-terror trainer”
Robert, possible to get back in, delivering the truth on the worldwide jihad?
More than ever the truth about Islam is desperately neede.
Nabi says
We’re likely at a stalemate number-wise. Cable brainwashes. Types who haven’t caught on yet are our obstructionists: Islam’s (and Kim’s) useful idiots–a 5th column they manipulate to keep us frozen in the face of immense danger.
jule says
How could CAIR and the like be sued for false advertising or something. Subversion or something? I would like to see a good lawyer bring everything out in a public court case.
Some say “we want to keep it friendly for moles or to get them to help us” but they are not dumb & the best way is to get them out.
jule says
How about some TV show or nightly News session with a ‘debate’ where someone Knowledgeable, like Spenser bring out all the facts. ALL of the FACTS. They really cannot argue against the facts accept to say ‘Allah said so.’ or using Our words which they have a different meaning for. Make them actually define what they mean by Peace, liberation, occupation, Supremacy of Islam, the straight line succession of Abraham to Moses to Jesus to Mohamed and how Mohamed to them replaces all others. The stories about the possession of Mohamed by some Jinn and his Wife and her Christian oriented friend who re-interpreted things for him so he wouldn’t commit suicide. And the Hadiths written WHO? the Warlords accomplices’ And historical facts of what they did….Khyber, and copies of the letter Mo had written to the other countries leaders…especially the one to Egypt. BRING IT ALL OUT IN MEDIA in a professional, Acceptable way so people don’t call it low-classed faked. Bring on Muslims too.
Mac-101 says
This is just more proof Mueller is a deep state Globalist Pig!
StellaSaidSo says
Mueller is one of many deep state operatives who have for years been working to advance the globalist agenda. The swamp is bigger, and more toxic, than most people realise.
Mac-101 says
Let us Pray that Trump is real and NOT Controlled Opposition and he drains DAT Swamp with G-ds help!
Berengaria says
I always wondered if Mueller was a Convert to the “Religion of Peace” after hearing of PRAYER RUG BRENNAN’S conversion! It just seems the DOJ was a kind of CLUB for Muslim Converts, during the Bush/Clinton/ Obama Regime. We know Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood ran the WH! “HALAL FRIENDLY”!
StellaSaidSo says
It is possible that Mueller is a covert convert. There are certainly a hell of a lot of Islam enablers within the WH machine. The lefties and the Islamists both want to bring Western civilisation to its knees. Until that mission is accomplished, they’re on the same page. After that, however, things will get very interesting.
gravenimage says
There isn’t any public information that indicates that Mueller is a convert to Islam. More likely he is just a dhimmi.
abu salma says
Understanding the Muslim ban:
in the 50s Islam was a religion for poor brown people from the 3rd world, and there was nothing wrong with that.
“This is Abdullah and his wife purvine”. “Purvine is dawning a hijab today.”
“Oh and this is Raja. He is Hindu…”
These were the I’m ok and you’re ok days.
then we witnessed a mini explosion in the African American community -literllay millions of african americans began to idendtify with Islam, such as Malcom-X.
In Prisons across the USA, countless number of inmates have Muslim converted to Islam, many whom returned back to their communties and became leaders stopping drugs and crime. Virtually all Prisions have an Islamic service.
Then we witnessed celebrity conversions from Muhammad Ali to Kareem Abul Jabar to Mike Tyson to Shakeel O’neal to Janet Jackson and Lindsey lohan holding a Quran, just to name a few.
Then there was of course 911 which changed the world forever.
Then we witnessed countless western women from Europe and USA from rockstars to teens flocking to Syria to present themselves to Jihadis, which the media termed: “Sex Jihad”.
Question: How many western women flocked to Iraq in the 90’s to present themselves to the coalition?
Today Islam has converts from Hillbilly Muslims starting the first mosque in Keene, NH to lawyers to fashion models to politicians to atheletes.
Today every major US City not only have several mosques, but K-12 Islamic schools to Islamic out reach programs.
And let’s not forget Europe – it is predicted that Islam is a demographic time bomb that will fundementally transform the continent within 50 years.
All this in less than 70 years.
What will the West look like in another 70 years?
Terry Gain says
70 years? Aren’t you an optimist. What does it look like today – as accurately described by you. Muslims need only be 10% of the population in order to hold the balance of power.
StellaSaidSo says
‘What will the West look like in another 70 years?’
With any luck, purged of all traces of the vile stinking foul ideology of Islam.
Roderick MacUalraig says
For the sake of humanity’s future I hope so.
Maryam says
Triumphant and free from the tyranny that enslaves your little pea brain.
gravenimage says
+1
gravenimage says
The appalling abu salma wrote:
Understanding the Muslim ban:
in the 50s Islam was a religion for poor brown people from the 3rd world, and there was nothing wrong with that.
“This is Abdullah and his wife purvine”. “Purvine is dawning a hijab today.”
…………………………
Is “abu salma” quoting from something here–perhaps a children’s book? The quote marks give that impression–but what illiterate text might this be, with “dawning” for “donning”? More likely he is just making this claptrap up.
More:
then we witnessed a mini explosion in the African American community -literllay millions of african americans began to idendtify with Islam, such as Malcom-X.
In Prisons across the USA, countless number of inmates have Muslim converted to Islam, many whom returned back to their communties and became leaders stopping drugs and crime. Virtually all Prisions have an Islamic service.
…………………………
Good lord, what rot. The Nation of Islam and its offshoots like Your Black Muslim Bakery have been responsible for a vicious wave of crimes, including assaults, child rape, robbery, and murder.
Malcolm X himself was assassinated by his fellow Muslims–I suppose “abu salma” hopes we don’t know that.
More:
Then we witnessed celebrity conversions from Muhammad Ali to Kareem Abul Jabar to Mike Tyson to Shakeel O’neal to Janet Jackson and Lindsey lohan holding a Quran, just to name a few.
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Janet Jackson was abused by her Muslim husband, and eventually fled the marriage.
“Janet Jackson ‘felt like a prisoner’ in marriage to Muslim”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/janet-jackson-felt-like-a-prisoner-in-marriage-to-muslim
There is no indication that Jackson ever converted to Islam. She has since divorced her abuser, and is not longer immured in Muslim cover. Does “abu salma” hope we haven’t noticed this?
More:
Then there was of course 911 which changed the world forever.
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Notice that “abu salma” has nothing critical to say of his pious coreligionists slaughtering almost 3,000 Americans and other Infidels–nor of the 32,000+ Jihad terror attacks since then.
One can only assume that he approves. *Ugh*.
More:
Then we witnessed countless western women from Europe and USA from rockstars to teens flocking to Syria to present themselves to Jihadis, which the media termed: “Sex Jihad”.
Question: How many western women flocked to Iraq in the 90’s to present themselves to the coalition?
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Actually, there were *no* non-Muslims rushing off to join ISIS. What a load of crap.
There have been a handful of vicious and stupid Western converts to the savagery of Islam–especially among violent felons, as even “abu salma” admits, above. This does not say anything good about the attraction of that violent creed.
Many Western women–including myself–were spurred by the vicious Jihad attacks of 9/11 to educate ourselves about the vicious creed of Islam and the threat it represents.
This was a far more common reaction than being drawn to cowardly Muslim murderers, as “abu salma” pretends.
More:
Today Islam has converts from Hillbilly Muslims starting the first mosque in Keene, NH to lawyers to fashion models to politicians to atheletes.
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We can see that even “abu salma” has contempt for Western converts to Islam, characterizing William Coley as a “hillbilly”.
More:
Today every major US City not only have several mosques, but K-12 Islamic schools to Islamic out reach programs.
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Every major city in the US also has a problem with drug dealing and car break-ins. “abu salma” fails to say why this is a good thing.
More:
And let’s not forget Europe – it is predicted that Islam is a demographic time bomb that will fundementally transform the continent within 50 years.
…………………………
Europe has undergone skyrocketing rates of rape and Jihad terror attacks in the past twenty years with violent Muslims flooding into the West. People–especially women–are increasingly afraid to leave their homes. Note that he has nothing critical to say about this ‘fundamental transformation’. One can only assume he approves.
And doesn’t he realize that referring to something as a “time bomb” is *not* a positive? It means it is a threat.
More:
All this in less than 70 years.
What will the West look like in another 70 years?
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It will look like another Islamic hell hole, if we do not stop this invasion of Muslim barbarians.
Doesn’t “abu salma” realize that he is just reminding us of the threat Islam represents?
Maryam says
Abu Salem likes to troll this website because he wants to teach dhimmis.
gravenimage says
Too bad for “abu salma” there are damn few dhimmis here, Maryam.
jule says
One thing that will never help is make Exposure of Islams intentions and goals a ‘Republican’ thing or a ‘Conservative’ thing. That is the surest way to make people NOT listen.
gravenimage says
jule, I would *love* to see more liberals taking a stand against Jihad.
Maryam says
Many were hoping, myself included, that the Trump administration would reinstate valuable counter terrorism training like Robert Spencer’s and Stephen Coughlin’s work. McMaster seems to be suppressing this information now. Huge disappointment.
Stacy Girl says
I think his presence has a lot to due with Preibus and the heavy GOP influence at the start of Trump’s presidency. Recall how the party hated Trump openly and finally embraced him when victory was imminent. McMaster, Sessions, and all the apologists need to go. They are comprised, warped, or both. No way to rule with your enemy in the tent.
Terry Gain says
I’ve seen no evidence that McMaster understands Islam. Sessions is incompetent. His DOJ is opposing release of the House Intelligence Memo.
jule says
I have never liked or trusted McMaster. I do not know or care what politics he is into but I can tell he does not Think and Research for himself but relies on others or majority opinion. He does not THINK independently.
gravenimage says
The problem is that while he is solidly Anti-Jihad–a good thing–there is obviously a lot that President Trump does not understand about Islam.
PABLO says
Real LEOs are constantly laughing at the FBI while cringing as its status of the equivalence of a law, and I use that word loosely, enforcement agency of a Banana Republic. Hi, I am from the Federal Banana of Investigation and you are in good hands.
WPM says
FBI the” Famous But Incompetent” in NYS law enforcement circles .
Ray Jarman says
When I was posted to the Embassy in Iraq in 2006, the State Department sent everyone through a course on Iraqi and ilsamic heritage and cultural awareness. In this one to two week course only loving and respecting islam was the stated objective. The word jihad never once was mentioned and islam was described as one of the world’s great religion and when I questioned jihad, I was told to be quiet. I have retained some of the literature that they provided as not to forget how stupid the Department was even while Bush was President. My thoughts were proven correct as these peaceful murdering thugs launched rockets into the Green Zone and especially at the American compound on the former Saddam palace which served as the US Embassy and military headquarters where General Petraeus’ office was located as soon as their morning prayers had taken place. Whereas Christians offer prayers of love and peace to all, even to our enemies, this horrendous cult attended their morning ritual to plead that their rockets kill as many as possible and they didn’t segregate against anyone, they just wanted to slaughter as many as possible and living in half of a 10′ X 20′ trailer was of little comfort.
Wellington says
Thanks for that narrative, Ray Jarman, instructive, telling and damning as it is. And again is demonstrated that Western defenses of Islam, the worst religion of all time, are stupid in the extreme, even suicidal.
The basic problem remains. No, it is not Islam. Islam is the secondary problem. Rather, it is the defense of Islam by non-Muslims; fools like Pope Francis, Theresa May, Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel come to mind here. Yes, the one thing arguably worse than evil itself is exculpation of evil. Right now the West is full of such people in high places and thus, at present, this does not bode well for the West, to put it mildly.
Thanks for your service by the way. Man, you must have seen so much in Iraq that made your blood curl. Too bad Bush 43 essentially got none of this, let alone the complete fool who followed him as POTUS (and whether Obama is “merely” an ignoramus about Islam or actually a Muzzie himself is, essentially, a theoretical matter only since the effect of Obama’s disastrous Presidency was the same).
At least now America and the West have a chance because of Trump. And highly instructive it is noting all those who hate Trump, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, whether silly conservative “never Trumpers” or your standard leftist fool. Oh yeah, highly instructive and count ALL of these people as ultimate enemies of preserving Western liberty. I would include here the ENTIRE Bush family, respecting which I have lost all respect even though I voted for Bush 41 twice and Bush 43 twice. Wow, have both these men let America, all the West and freedom down, never mind that rotten excuse for a President, one Barack Obama.
Right now, Trump, whatever his faults, is the best freedom has going for it in all the world. One knows this or should know it. So many still don’t.
Ray Jarman says
Wellington, Thanks. When you stated that you voted for Bush 41 & 43, what choice did we have. I’ll let you in on a huge laugh that some of us had when Bush 43 was challenged by Gore and the Florida vote was being contested. Clinton’s SECSTATE, Warren Christopher appeared to be an invalid the way he walked and he even fell asleep during Clinton’s address to the EU in Brussels. Before the summit had finished the diplomat who had brokered (at least he thought he had) with the Palestinians and Israelis died several of us on the SECSTATE team were asked to travel to Oslo for the funeral. I took the opportunity to perform some work in the Embassy and later when I met with the Ambassador, I asked if Christopher managed to stay awake to which the Ambassador just laughed and said no. He said that Christopher almost fell out of the chair. So when I saw him running down the steps of the plane in Florida, I could not stop laughing. It was like he had been given some kind of drug.
One of the problems in Bagdad was the incompetent leadership before General Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker arrived. In nearly thirty years working at State I can count on one hand the number of really good ambassadors and Ryan Crocker was at the top of my list. Can you imagine a four star general opening the door for you and another person? David Petraeus is a real gentleman and he turned the situation there around. One of my complaints with Trump is that he chose the wrong person to sit at the table on the seventh floor at Foggy Bottom; I was hoping for John Bolton and I would have paid myself just to watch some of my former colleagues squirm as he would have really cleaned house.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your view on the ground, Ray. US officials have been in denial about the nature of Islam for a long time now.
Garfield says
Please post your info to 4 chan or 8 chan or reddit and get the info out there! It is so awful what the state dept did, it put people in danger. The truth needs to be known!
jule says
Can’t you please give those to someone who can have them Published with a comparative Truth side next to them? Give them to some anonymous publisher of let Spenser do it but in a Professional high class way so it isn’t dismissed as ‘Islamophobia’ or ‘Conservative lip’ If done in the right way….even the left will get it. I am on the left and I got it by reading the Qur’an and conversing with Mideast characters of ordinary commenters. Any sane person presented with plain non political facts has to get it as long as their are not in REFLEX Reaction to ‘Republican dribble” and there is, same as Dem dribble. This has to be OUT of the realm of politics..
Ray Jarman says
Jule, The problem is that the orientation was in 2006 and I have moved several times from Iraq to South Africa and Lesotho. Also at the time I was allowed a specific weight of a few hundred pounds but I will search through some boxes I have in the garage. As I stated, this was an orientation for limited Arabic and Iraqi culture.
Richard says
Once again the Russians are being painted as the enemy, whilst they have had no harmful agenda for the US since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Islam on the other hand has the purpose of dismantling the current US system of government and replacing it with an Islamic version. In such a system no non-muslim would be eligible for any senior government post (just read the constitution of Pakistan).
How come “collusion with the Russians is being flagged as treason whilst collusion with islam gets a free pass.
Surely what Mueller did to the FBI should be prosecuted as treason.
Wellington says
No harmful agenda? C’mon. The Russians, in typical xenophobic mode, want all of Eastern Europe subservient to Russia and which is why Russia sees NATO as a mortal enemy, even though NATO is the greatest military alliance in history for the protection and promotion of freedom (and yes, Turkey under Erdogan remaining in NATO is an absolute disgrace so don’t bother pulling the “Turkey factor” on me).
Doubt me? Well then, why do you think so many Eastern European nations like Poland, Latvia, Slovakia, Czechia, Lithuania—-yes, it’s a long list—-have wanted into NATO all the while Russia views NATO as a mortal enemy, while cozying up all along with Iran, the #1 sponsor of state terror in all the world?
Russia has blown it once again. It is on the wrong side of history once again. Had Russia really had its act together it could have been in NATO by now rather than stupidly seeing NATO as more of an enemy than the Islamic world en masse. Would be deuce difficult to have gotten things more stupid than Russia has under Putin.
And this is why Russia under Putin has been such a waste. Why not ask a Pole, an Estonian, a Lithuanian, a Czech, a Slovakian, a Romanian, again it’s a long list, whose side they are on here, yours or mine?
Richard says
“No harmful agenda? C’mon. The Russians, in typical xenophobic mode, want all of Eastern Europe subservient to Russia and which is why Russia sees NATO as a mortal enemy,”
No harmful agenda towards the United States. Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood wants to end the American way of life.
Russia is rightly scared of the west since it has been the subject of no less than 4 unprovoked attacks from that source in the last 200 years. (Napoleonic wars, Crimean war – in which Britain and France disgracefully allied with the Islamic Ottoman Empire.- first and second world wars). On that period Russia has attacked the west exactly zero times. Who has the real track record of aggression?
It was not Russia that didn’t want to join NATO – it was NATO that didn’t want Russia – because it thought that it had no reason to exist without Russia as an enemy.
The alliance with Iran is purely tactical (as is the current entente with Turkey).
Historically Russia has a much better record of opposing Islam than the west. Russia facilitated the freedom of Greece, Bulgarian, Serbia and Romania from Islamic oppression.
Apart from the German treachery in provoking the Russian revolution Russia would have finished off the Ottomans and Liberated Constantinople from the Turkish Muslims at the end of WW1. (Without Anglo-French treachery they would have done it 60 years earlier.
Russia has usually been on the right side of history – the west has frequently got it wrong (even the Soviets – whom I detest- were better for Afghanistan than the US-Pakistani bastard child of the Taliban)
“Why not ask a Pole, an Estonian, a Lithuanian, a Czech, a Slovakian, a Romanian,”
You find many of these people in Moscow Patriarchate Russian churches in the west you don’t need to ask them, they have voted with their feet.
Those that disagree with me are the residue of earlier western aggression against Russia – to wit the Baltic Crusades.
gravenimage says
Richard, your idea that the Russian Revolution and brutal Soviet state had nothing to do with Russians, but was simply imposed on them by Germans is just silly.
don vito says
How many wars have Russia been in since… at least the 14th century? Russian history didn’t begin 200 years ago, why start with the Napoleonic Wars?
Wellington says
Richard: You live in a fantasy world. Moreover, where Russia goes, freedom does not follow. Hell, even Russia itself has never known freedom. If it had it would have been so much greater than it has ever been.
On the specific matter of NATO, as early as Bush 41 and Clinton, America put forward the suggestion that Russia might eventually join NATO, but Russia immediately after the fall of the USSR in December of 1991 still saw NATO as an enemy, and especially once Putin came to power in 2000.
Finally, a Pole an adherent of Russian Orthodoxy. What? Four of them? Maybe five? What the hell are you talking about? You do inhabit an alternative universe. Consider what George Kennan said of Russia whether under Czars, First Secretaries or now Putin, i.e., that it looks upon its neighbors as vassals or enemies. Man, does Eastern Europe know the truth of this statement.
gravenimage says
Russia is unfree. Islam is worse.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Yes.
Here is what the erudite and astute James Freeman Clarke (a staunch abolitionist) wrote in his compendium of essays on the world’s religions, “Ten Great Religions” (‘great’, here does not necessarily imply ‘admirable’ but something more like ‘having many adherents and a long history and an impact on human affairs’), the chapter on ‘Mohammed and Islam”, section 5 – ”
“Two recent travellers, Mr. Palgrave and Mr. Vambéry, have described the present state of Mohammedanism in Central Arabia and Turkistan, or Central Asia.
“Barth has described it as existing among the negroes in North Africa.
“Count Gobineau has told us of Islam as it is in Persia at the present day.
“Mr. MacFarlane, in his book “Kismet, or the Doom of Turkey,” has pointed out the gradual decay of that power, and the utter corruption of its administration.
“After reading such works as these,— and among them let us not forget Mr. Lane’s “Modern Egyptians,”— **the conclusion we must inevitably come to is, that the worst Christian government, be it that of the Pope or the Czar, is very much better than the best Mohammedan government.** (my emphasis – dda).
‘Everywhere we find arbitrary will taking the place of law.
“In most places the people have no protection for life or property, and know the government only through its tax-gatherers.
“And all this is necessarily and logically derived from the fundamental principle of Mohammedan theology. God is pure will, not justice, not reason, not love.
‘Christianity says, “God is love”; Mohammedanism says, “God is will.” Christianity says, “Trust in God”; Mohammedanism says, “Submit to God.”
‘Hence the hardness, coldness, and cruelty of the system; hence its utter inability to establish any good government.
‘**According to Mr. MacFarlane, it would be a blessing to mankind to have the Turks driven out of Europe and Asia Minor, and to have Constantinople become the capital of Russia.** {my emphasis – dda; remember, Mr Clarke was writing in the mid-late 19th century; the compilation was published in 1913, on the eve of WWI).
‘The religion of Islam is an outward form, a hard shell of authority, hollow at heart. It constantly tends to the two antagonistic but related vices of luxury and cruelty.”
To repeat – “…the worst Christian government, be it that of the Pope or the Czar, is very much better than the best Mohammedan government…”.
In 1913, one must remember, Russia was overwhelmingly culturally Christian. And despite the ferocious persecutions unloosed by the Communists from 1917 onwards they were not able to expunge Christianity – whether in its Orthodox or evangelical / ‘Baptist’ varieties – from Russia; even today a substantial percentage of persons within the Russian Federation identify as Christian. And that does make a difference to the ‘atmospherics’ of Russia, that sets it apart from *any* majority-Islamic entity.
Wellington says
Succinct and quite true, gravenimage.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your erudite comments, Dumbledore’s Army. All true.
jule says
Because so far, the big Mideast Muslim countries are in our Economic Capitalist Multinational system but Russia, China, Brazil & a few others have their own. Its an Economic Control War and we WANT every country sucked into our…like Ukraine. We have had NGOs and NED there for years prepping them. Agribusimess wants it. Chevron wants it. The Navy wants it. We wanted it, not matter what their gov. is as long as they say Yes to OUR development and EU. No matter if we make Civil War for those who do not want the EU trap but Russia help block us. Crimean Russian people voted to stay with Russia (since Khrushchev only attached them to Ukraine 1950s for convenience.)
gravenimage says
What does your screed against free trade have to do with the topic at hand?
Your apparent belief that Shari’ah law is Capitalist is just bizarre.
Cheer Bear Girl says
Mueller needed to be thrown out. He’s just another Obama lackey.
jule says
Why did Trump pick him?
Charlie says
John Kerry and Robert Mueller share the same pro-Islamist politics when it comes to Hamas. It is clear that Robert Mueller and John Kerry are lifelong buddies. They attended the same, elite, all white, all boy’s St. Paul’s prep school in New Hampshire and were on the same sports team. St. Paul’s has tried to diversify a little since. $60,000 per year is the tuition. WOW! I wonder if either of these highly educated elites has ever read the charter of Hamas? I doubt they have the time or interest. I certainly have. It’s Islamist, and its shocking. The Charter quotes straight from Bukhari 52:177. These elites are either anti-semitic, or they are ignorant buffoons.
tgusa says
The FBI’s reputation is in tatters. At this point I don’t think Americans can believe anything that comes out of that organization.
“Mueller Worked With Radical Islamists to Purge Anti-Terror Training Docs Offensive to Muslims,”
But of course, the FBI would rather be making stuff up and illegally spying on Americans. Collusion Is right in front of our eyes and their behavior has become offensive to Americans who care about their country.
jule says
Right, but Number !) Reagan started the NSA for CIA-FBI and Number 2) how can anyone Expect a spy agency to be Transparent? Do we want to get rid of Reagans Executive Order 12333 NSA still being used although somewhat amended? Look what happened to Snowdon. Impossible. So what are the CHECKS on it? Should those be improved? And then who checks the checkers? USA needs to bring its people, all people starting in Kindergarten up with ETHICS classes and why it is important. (Not Religion) But Ethics,Critical thinking and Universal Human Rights. Those things have to be the LAW. For both Repubs/Dems all American people because those things are what our Constitution are about. Not the misinterpreted self interested version.
Lydia Church says
Calling a spade anything but by its real name.
gravenimage says
Mueller worked with Hamas-linked groups to purge counterterror training of material offensive to Muslims
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Insane pandering to evil–this just endangers us further.
jule says
What I cannot understand is WHY? How can they make themselves believe its the right thing to do? what is the real reason they do it? After actually reading their books (an I am a Dem) and history, I can think of NO excuse or even monetary reason GOOD ENOUGH to do as we are doing? So WHY do they do it? What is the source of self deception.? Let me get at that and call it out.
CRUSADER says
Reading “Muslim Mafia” by Paul Sperry and hearing both Phil Haney of DHS (“See Something, Say Nothing”) and John Guandolo (Understanding the Threat) speak ….we are in deep trouble if law enforcement doesn’t get a better handle on the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR and those tentacles.
dumbledoresasrmy says
Crusader: perhaps it would be well to spend Lent fasting and praying for the exposure and removal of the Muslim Brotherhood – and of Fethullah Gulen! – from the USA.
And writing letters to your congressperson and senator, on the subject of the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and Muslim infiltration and subversion of US institutions.
jule says
No. fasting and praying won’t do it.
Eric jones says
Mueller is a legal assassin. He is an Obama flunky. Obama is an Islamist. I cannot wait for his treason trial.
Eric
StellaSaidSo says
Ditto, Eric.
Obama is one of many who are guilty of treason. I doubt that there is room at GITMO for all of them. ‘We’ll all hang from nooses!’ blurted Hillary, when she realised that she had lost the election. They know what they deserve. And they will fight very dirty indeed to avoid it.
jule says
The best way to get most people NOT to listen to you is to say something like “Obama is an Islamist” What is you priority? To did someone OR to give people a truer picture of what Islam is and what its goals are. To let people know that when they say Peace, it does not have the same meaning as we have for Peace. When they say Allah is God, they have a different idea of God than the West does. Liberation has a different meaning for us.as does ‘occupation’/ Its like they read from right to left. WE read from left to right. Its about that different. When they say Peace…USA thinks ‘oh good, Peace” but it has a different meaning to them. Like Peace is when all people are the same kind of Muslim under Sharia & then no one has anything to fight over. That is Muslim Peace. Muslim Peace is after they fight all Jews until Judgement Day when some Muslim from the sky (some Muslims call it Jesus as symbolism but their definition of Jesus is not the same as the Wests At all)
returns, some Mahdi type, and THEN there is Peace. But they MUST fight for Islam until then as per Qur’an/Hadiths.
Whatever……try to inform. Not dis. It does not HELP turn things around
Champ says
Indeed, Jay Boo …soulless eyes.
Retired SA says
As an instructor at the FLETC, Artesia NM, 2009-13, I saw firsthand how the terrorism curricula changed – to whitewash Islam and jihad, and shift to “domestic terrorism”, primarily right wing extremism. It was much worse than one can imagine… time for a thorough IG investigation and change of leadership!!
gravenimage says
Thanks for that grim information, Retired SA.
Politicianophobia says
I am afraid the number of Muslim Brotherhood who have infiltrated the US government is staggering. There have been many not so stupid, deceivers at work and many fools, suffering what I call the trained seal, (the fish eating mammal) syndrome. God help us all
CRUSADER says
ISLAMIC CIRCLE Jerks:
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“Jesse Jackson, ICNA Endorse Letter on Anti-Islam”
http://thesop.org/story/usa/2010/08/06/jesse-jackson-icna-endorse-letter-on-antiislam.php
Rev. Jesse Jackson, one of the nation`s leading civil rights activists, and the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) have endorsed an open letter by a coalition of Muslim, Sikh, Asian-American, and other civil liberties groups* sent to FBI Director Robert Mueller seeking an explanation of why a leader of an anti-Islam hate group was recently invited to train state and federal law enforcement officers.
Robert Spencer, co-founder of the hate group Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA), claimed in a blog post that he “gave two two-hour seminars on the belief-system of Islamic jihadists to the Tidewater Joint Terrorism Task Force.” Those attending the training reportedly included FBI agents.
[BREAKING UPDATE: Spencer`s group has invited anti-Islam Dutch extremist Geert Wilders to speak at a September 11 protest against a proposed Islamic community center in New York City. SEE: Wilders to Speak at New York Mosque Protest]
In its letter to Mueller, the coalition outlined Spencer`s bigoted views on Islam and Muslims, including referring to Islam`s Prophet Muhammad as a “con man.”
The letter cited the independent national media watch group Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), which identified Spencer as one of “Islamophobia`s Dirty Dozen” who systematically “spread fear, bigotry, and misinformation.”
In its report, FAIR said, “By selectively ignoring inconvenient Islamic texts and commentaries, Spencer concludes that Islam is innately extremist and violent.”
SEE: FAIR Unmasks the Smearcasters – Robert Spencer
The coalition`s letter also noted that Spencer joined with hate-blogger Pamela Geller to found a new organization named Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA):
[NOTE: Geller`s anti-Islam bigotry was highlighted during a recent television interview. SEE: Video: TV Host Exposes Pamela Geller`s Anti-Muslim Bigotry]
“SIOA has come to prominence through shrill opposition to the building of American mosques, anti-Islam bus and taxi advertising campaigns, support for European far-right groups and Islamophobes such as the English Defence League and Geert Wilders, and bigoted anti-Islam statements by its co-leader, Pamela Geller.
“Geller has claimed that `Hitler and the Nazis were inspired by Islam` and offered rhetorical support to both accused Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and slain Apartheid-era leader Eugene Terre`blanche.”
SIOA is an outgrowth of a similar group in Europe that seeks to block the construction of mosques. That group, Stop the Islamization of Europe, “considers Islamophobia to be the height of common sense.”
SEE: SIOA is an Anti-Muslim Hate Group
Fox Opens Its Airwaves to Anti-Muslim Activist Geller
The United States Patent and Trademark Office refused to grant SIOA a trademark because: “The applied-for mark refers to Muslims in a disparaging manner because by definition it implies that conversion or conformity to Islam is something that needs to be stopped or caused to cease.”
Spencer also co-authored, with Geller, the recently-published book, “The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration`s War on America,” which sounds a “wake-up call for Americans to stop the Obama administration from limiting our hard-won freedoms, silencing our democratic voices, and irreparably harming America for generations to come.”
The conclusion of the coalition`s letter to Director Mueller states:
“Mr. Spencer is entitled to his radical views and associations. We strongly believe that such plainly bigoted views, and those who hold them, should be relegated to the fringe of our nation`s discourse, not given a veneer of legitimacy by being invited to train the institutions and individuals charged with protecting our nation from violent extremists.
“We hope to distribute your response to our respective constituencies in order to alleviate grassroots concerns regarding individuals and groups with clear anti-Muslim motivations being used as trainers for our nation`s law enforcement.”
*Signatories to the letter to Mueller now include:
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Defending Dissent Foundation
Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)
Islamic Shura Council of Southern California
Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)
Rev. Jesse Jackson
MAS Freedom
Muslim Advocates
Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC)
Sikh Coalition
South Asian Americans Leading Together (SAALT)
CAIR is America`s largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.
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http://thesop.org/story/usa/2010/08/06/jesse-jackson-icna-endorse-letter-on-antiislam.php
gravenimage says
I remember that–just disgusting.
Politicianophobia says
“Since the objective of the message of Islam is a decisive declaration of man’s freedom, not merely on the philosophical plane but also in the actual conditions of life, it must employ JIHAAD”. “I will die to establish Islam” “Oh Allah, destroy America” Hihad Awad,” Give scholarships, in 5 years you will have an army of lawyers, POLITICIANS, journalists, teachers who go to school, universities, who can educate people about the history of Islam-The true Islam”. I do believe that has been accomplished.
gravenimage says
For Muslims, “freedom” is literally slavery–and they will violently impose this on us all.
Sam says
So Mueller was an excellent candidate to investigate “Russian Collusion”. Give credit to Muslims and Lefties. They know how to infiltrate administration to destroy us infidels.
Who can we trust anymore?
Champ says
Trump to Mueller …”You’re fired!”
I can hope, can’t I?
Keep draining the swamp President Trump!
jus wundrin says
Mueller also turned a blind eye when G.W.Bush allowed the evacuation of about 140 Saudis almost immediately after 9/11, such as Ahmed Salman and members of the Bin Laden family.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/11/opinion/oe-unger11
He also played interference for the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood’s Dar al Hijra Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHwGE4AmhJ8&t=400s
It appears he has a history of aiding and abetting jihadis.