Trump’s tweet in full: “The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”
Let’s hope he follows through on this and cuts off the jizya flow to Pakistan. If he does, it will be a cause for celebration. For years I’ve been calling for an end to aid to Pakistan and a reconfiguration of our international alliances to reflect the reality of the global jihad. At last such issues are even being discussed in the White House.
“‘No More!’: Trump Says US Got Only ‘Lies’ From Pak For Billions In Aid,” NDTV, January 1, 2018:
US President Donald Trump ripped into Pakistan on Monday, declaring on Twitter that American governments had over the last 15 years “foolishly” given 33 billion dollars in aid to Islamabad that gave “safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan”.
“No more!” the US President tweeted, days after he singled out Pakistan for criticism in announcing his national security strategy last month. “We make massive payments every year to Pakistan… They have to help,” he had said at the launch of the security strategy just a few days earlier.
The use of a much harsher language in Donald Trump’s early morning tweet on Monday – his first of the year – suggests an end to the debate within his administration and the decision to deliver on his threat to punish Islamabad for failing to cooperate on counterterrorism. For now.
Pakistan Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif delivered his response minutes later, also on Twitter.
“We will respond to President Trump’s tweet shortly inshallah…Will let the world know the truth… difference between facts and fiction,” Mr Asif said.
Vivvek Katju, former Ambassador to Afghanistan, told NDTV that Donald Trump’s tweet “is a reflection of his frustration and impatience”.
Hoping for more consistency in the US administration’s approach to Pakistan in future, Mr Katju said the Americans must blame themselves.
Rather than applying consistent and increasing pressure, the Trump administration had more or less adopted the policy of old US administration in going backwards and forwards and giving Pakistan rope. “And Pakistan is a master at playing the Americans,” he said….
RichardL says
MAGA!
He really meant it.
Lesley Ward says
About time a western leader woke up to the preposterous situation where Pakistan, one of the most radical, mob mentality, deceptive regimes on earth keep getting funded by all countries (including our foolish Australian Govt). FOR WHAT?? They have a population of mega millions, less than 10% pay tax whilst smaller countries with minute populations are taxed to high heaven, to pay these schemers.
Good on you Trump, you really are coming up “trumps”.
Wish we had you here in Australia.
J D S says
I wonder how many U.S. dollars and dollar value of other kinds of “help” we have given to all the other Islamic nations who have used that help in a deceitful way over the last 15 years…not counting Iran we know how much they got….well maybe we do.
Jacqueleen says
All funding should be stopped. The USA cares about the poor in third world countries but the leaders of those countries do not care about their own citizens. That money does not funnel down to the needy. Then, we should stop our membership in the useless United Nations organization and evict them from the USA. The world will just have to get along the best way possible without us.
roger woodhouse says
Thank you America for voting in Mr Trump as president.He will prove to be your greatest President ever!Just make sure he is protected agains the forces on the left.! We here in the UK look to him to be proved right because he will be ‘our’saving grace too..Stay strong America.
Hindu American says
Was Trump responding to this potential new global terror group called junud al aqsa in pakistan?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSb7QW5VQAE19lU.jpg
D Austin says
Pakistan voted against the US recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital in the UN resolution “null and void” vote. More than enough to cut off their western welfare payments!
mortimer says
Pakistan is one of the most fanatical Islamic countries with large numbers who self-identify as ‘extreme’ Muslims who favor Sharia law, terrorism and a caliphate.
Anton says
There are fundamental reasons to stop giving money to actually hostile regimes. Not just recent events.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Agreed. Like just leaving it in the wallets of the men and women that busted their asses to earn it.
Januk36 says
I love Trump.
dsinc says
+100
abad says
Me too!
mortimer says
Trump just read the riot act to Pakistan’s government. It’s their choice if they continue to support jihad terrorism or extradite criminals to be tried and sentenced.
Pakistan defended, hid and housed the arch-jihadist Osama bin Laden for years next to Pakistan’s prestigious military academy at Abbottabad.
Edward Paul Campbell says
“Osama Bin Who..?”, Abbottabad Military Academy Director, Major General Abdullah Dogar, Commandant PMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbj3eTY59Rk
mortimer says
Pakistan’s military intelligence were involved in the jihadist attacks in Mumbai. They have not been punished.
gravenimage says
Not only have they not been punished, but this has not even been widely acknowledged by Western leaders.
Matthieu Baudin says
And their activity in Kashmir has resulted in a cumulative blood count that exceeds the loss of life in Mumbai a thousand fold.
jewdog says
Pukistan should not get one dime from the American taxpayer. We should instead up our aid to India and encourage them to retake what the Muslims should never have been given.
PRCS says
Yup.
dumbledoresarmy says
In the case of India, what’s needed is not ‘aid’ but.. INVESTMENT, partnership.
Trump’s companies and other American companies should steadily and inexorably *divest* from *any* Islamic-majority country and *reinvest* in.. India. And when they do: do NOT do business with or employ India-resident *Muslims*. Do business with and employ the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Parsees. Steer clear of ANY Islamic-owned business entity; team up with non-Islamic businesses and companies, being careful to pick those that have a fair reputation for honesty.
I’d recommend getting advice from the Israelis, who by now probably know pretty well who in India is a reliable person or group to do business with.
gravenimage says
Agreed, DDA.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Agreed.
VRWC member77 says
I believe the ONLY reason the U.S. has held to this Paki “alliance” over the last 16 years involves the fact that Pakistan has a nuke arsenal. Otherwise, they are just as nefarious as Iran. Trump making these statements may indicate that we have a more solid security access plan in place if things spiral out of control on the Indian sub-continent.
Guy Forester says
I agree that the nukes are a concern. However, I think that everyone recognizes that India is the primary target for these nukes. I also think the pakies know that if they try to send one to India, they will be obliterated in a matter of minutes. It seems to me that one of the reasons we supported the pakies was india’s close ties with the USSR.
Now that India is working more closely with the US and regional allies, the need to support Pakistan is less important. In fact, they are moving closer and closer to China.
Pakistan: not our friends, never have been, never will be. We should give no support for them. Besides, you can buy all of the towels you need from Pakistan in W-M. We can’t make our own towels?
Jayell says
You mean Pakistan make actually MAKES something useful, apart from sexually incontinent taxi drivers?
Guy Forester says
Somewhat useful, if you need cheap towels that do not last long. This kind of semi-useful landfill material is also made in a number of other third world hell holes. So, nothing really special that cannot be brought in from elsewhere at a competitive price.
Haiti could make the same type of “quality” merchandise and no worry of nukes. Such work may also reduce the number of boat people from there now that DJT is ending the BHO amnesty he set up.
Sharyati says
You are right Guy Forester, India did a strategic mistake of leaning towards the USSR and to socialism as an economic policy. This was because of the shortsightedness of our first PM Nehru who had his head in the clouds without understanding ground realities. Oh god!! if only we had accepted that seat in the security council offered to us by Kennedy 60 years ago, how different would have our future been!!!. Instead he declined the offer and gave it to china, which is now kicking us in our ass at every turn.
Also socialism as an economic policy created poverty, famine and scarcity for 5 decades after
independence , which was not needed as many countries like Singapore which was dirt poor at the time of their independence rose to phenomenal heights due to the right policies. Again due to shortsightedness and a mind numbing Utopian approach by Nehru
roger woodhouse says
We here in Britain suffered because of our ‘flirtation’with socialism.Time after time we returned to that failed doctrine because the Brits were seduced by the ‘freebee’offers.Corbyn is once again going down that road as an ‘alternative’to the tories.I fear the gullible Brits might fall for it again.There is another generation to fool so it could happen
PaulM says
It is so refreshing to finally see at least 1 World Leader speak openly, honestly and truthfully about the “real” world.
gravenimage says
Hear, hear!
tim gallagher says
I agree, PaulM. Trump is a no-nonsense truth teller. I’d like to include the leaders of Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic as similar truth tellers. But, of course, Trump is the only one of them who leads a major nation, so he’s the only world leader amongst the truth tellers about the enemy, Islam. Trump is, as you say, refreshing and so different to the other PC type leaders with their lying, weasel words about Islam. It’s great to see. Maybe Trump will give courage to some other leaders.
roger woodhouse says
Wish we had one here in Europe.These swine here are frightened of the truth
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam all,
As a shia Pakistani myself I am very concerned that people at least on JW do see this in context and see what sacrifices that we have made in last 15 years.
We have lost over 30000 innocent lives as well as billions of dollars in partnership with USA in Afghanistan in trying to defeat Al Q. As a consequence our economy has suffered majorly, our peoples’ thinking has been coloured and changed due to this one sided relationship.
Look at it in the context of having to fight on your border of your country with millions of refugees coming in . Put in context it is like you being at war with mexico, with millions of Mexicans coming into California living in tents in your your country. Consider further that an alien culture further blackmails and bribes you to keep fighting fellow Christians in mexico for a fee and keep taking in more Mexicans. We too would like a wall on our border, perhaps Mr Trump could consider funding that too?
Please imagine the change in mindset that you people would undergo especially as you allow Mexico to fly drones from within America to target fellow Mexicans.
The reality is that you have not given ENOUGH money to compensate for the damage that has taken place in Pakistan. WE are the ones that need to introspect and see whether this relationship is right for US as we consider this New Year’s “gift” from Mr Trump as only two months ago President Trump in his tweets was praising Pakistan for it’s efforts and support in combating terrorism.
Really we need our NRI professionals back from the US to come back to Pakistan and help build the Pakistani economy and bring us to a sound footing. The honour, sovereignty and freedom of our country will automatically follow as we close Pakistani airspace to people who cannot understand our unique sacrifices.
The fact that as a result in America taxi services would suffer, and the lack of butcher shops in America disrupting American shopping habits all of a sudden as well as the loss of some key IT professionals is something that the American people will not allow Mr Trump to forget soon.
p.s.Could Mr Trump find Pakistan on the Map?
More Later …
Rezali
Edward Paul Campbell says
You choose to completely ignore the simple facts: More than 20,000 unregulated, radicalised madrassas in Pakistan, spread to Kashmir (more than 1400 in Kashmir); the Pakistani intelligence forces have been playing a schizophrenic game with regard to terrorism – where on one hand they are fighting and suffering (massacre of 140 + school children and teachers at Peshawar, Dec 2014); and on the other hand, promoting the parasitic-dependency on foreign aid, double-game over terrorism:
‘In the intervening period, Afghanistan has done more than boil. It has been flayed and seared by selfish American short-termism and poisonous, neocolonial Pakistani long-termism. As is well known, the Afghan Taliban were themselves a creation of the ISI, and a de facto proxy by the time they took over Kabul in 1996. In 1999, Benazir Bhutto’s minister of interior, Nasrullah Babar admitted it quite explicitly, pronouncing, “We created the Taliban.”
Today, the “Talban” are a hodgepodge of militant outfits, though the central leadership of the Afghan Taliban is thought to be in Quetta, Pakistan. For the ISI, there may be a chickens coming home to roost moment, as Pakistan faces a brutal insurgency within its own borders that has adopted the Taliban name but is in many ways far more rejectionist and hostile to the governing authorities. To give just one example, the Afghan Taliban support polio vaccination while the Pakistani Taliban vow to kill anyone offering such treatments. The ISI’s game of prolonging the post-9/11 insurgency in Afghanistan long enough for the tired American leviathan to pack up and go home – and for Pakistan to move in more forcefully – is the direct cause of this terrorist surge, which has taken over 50,000 lives. There are now three separate but interrelated insurgencies eating at the Pakistani state like overfed parasites: the sectarian Sunni jihad against Pakistan’s Shia population, the Balochi insurgency, and the gangsterism and religious extremism destroying Karachi. When exporting militancy is a state’s central foreign policy tool, it does not take long for the pawns to turn their guns on their masters.
According to a number of reports, the ISI – sometimes called a state within a state – operates a highly secretive, off-the-record “S Wing” that is used to support the various militant groups that have been central to Pakistani foreign policy. ‘ https://thediplomat.com/2014/06/the-isis-great-game-in-afghanistan/
Edward Paul Campbell says
For further reading:
https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/05/pakistani_isi_s_wing_aids_terr.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbCaQEWxRo
Januk36 says
“Could Mr Trump find Pakistan on the Map?”
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I hope Pakistan willl soon no longer be on the map.
dumbledoresarmy says
Me, I think President Donald Trump knows exactly where Pakistan is on the map. I suspect he’s got a massive dossier on Pakistan that goes all the way back to the mid-1980s. Because in **1987** he knew about Pakistan, and was worrying about what would happen when states like Pakistan got hold of nuke tech. There’s an interview that he gave in *1987* in which he talks about various ways and means that could be used to put the squeeze on Pakistan and on other, similar entities.
gravenimage says
The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam all,
As a shia Pakistani myself I am very concerned that people at least on JW do see this in context and see what sacrifices that we have made in last 15 years.
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If only Rezali Mehil *were* in Pakistan–instead, she is now using England as her base of operations, working to Islamize that great country. *Ugh*.she doe no
Note that she does not consider herself English, despite having lived there for decades.
As a Shia, she had to flee oppression there, but is paying back the nation that gave her sanctuary by working to destroy her and enslave her people.
More:
We have lost over 30000 innocent lives as well as billions of dollars in partnership with USA in Afghanistan in trying to defeat Al Q. As a consequence our economy has suffered majorly, our peoples’ thinking has been coloured and changed due to this one sided relationship.
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“One-sided” relationship? That is is, with the United States funneling millions of dollars into Pakistan, while they continue to sponsor Jihad terror, including giving Osama bin Laden sanctuary.
Look at what Rezali Mehil is openly acknowledging–that Pakistan has no desire or intention of opposing Jihad. And why would they? They are all pious Muslims.
More:
Look at it in the context of having to fight on your border of your country with millions of refugees coming in . Put in context it is like you being at war with mexico, with millions of Mexicans coming into California living in tents in your your country. Consider further that an alien culture further blackmails and bribes you to keep fighting fellow Christians in mexico for a fee and keep taking in more Mexicans. We too would like a wall on our border, perhaps Mr Trump could consider funding that too?
Please imagine the change in mindset that you people would undergo especially as you allow Mexico to fly drones from within America to target fellow Mexicans.
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What is Rezali Mehil babbling about? Whatever our issues with illegal immigration from Mexico, most Mexicans who come here work hard. There is higher crime and drugs, which are serious issues, but Mexicans are not waging violent Jihad against us, nor is the nation of Mexico. Pakistan is, though.
More:
The reality is that you have not given ENOUGH money to compensate for the damage that has taken place in Pakistan.
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Rezali Mehil wants us to fork over *more* money to compensate Pakistan for the “damage” they have suffered from pretending that they opposed terror. *Ugh*.
More:
WE are the ones that need to introspect and see whether this relationship is right for US as we consider this New Year’s “gift” from Mr Trump as only two months ago President Trump in his tweets was praising Pakistan for it’s efforts and support in combating terrorism.
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Seems he wised up. Poor, poor Pakistan…someone has seen through the bs.
More:
Really we need our NRI professionals back from the US to come back to Pakistan and help build the Pakistani economy and bring us to a sound footing.
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No Muslim hell hole can have a solid economy. Even those with unearned oil wealth do not.
And no one would be happier to see Muslims decamp for Dar-al-Islam than myself. I would not have a problem with President Trump providing them with free plane tickets home. Now *that* would be American taxpayer money well spent!
More:
The honour, sovereignty and freedom of our country will automatically follow as we close Pakistani airspace to people who cannot understand our unique sacrifices.
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Does Rezali Mehil realize how absurd her babbling about Pakistan’s “honour” and “freedom” is? It has neither.
More:
The fact that as a result in America taxi services would suffer, and the lack of butcher shops in America disrupting American shopping habits all of a sudden as well as the loss of some key IT professionals is something that the American people will not allow Mr Trump to forget soon.
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American taxi service would quickly recover–as it is few Uber or Lyft drivers are Mohammedans. It would certainly become much, much safer for passengers.
As for butcher shops, Rezali Mehil appears to be confusing us with Britain. The widespread phenomenon there of Halal butcher shops is, thankfully, *much* rarer here.
The idea, in any case, that we would suffer if we lost a few menial workers compared to the immense gain in safety is just ludicrous.
More:
p.s.Could Mr Trump find Pakistan on the Map?
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He certainly has Pakistan’s number. Rezali Mehil is rather alarmed that President Trump knows *too much* about Pakistan.
More:
More Later …
Rezali
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I’m sure Rezali Mehil will continue to turn up here periodically, like a bad penny.
But really, the American president must be causing her and her coreligionists great alarm. What if other Western leaders start to wake up?
Stacy Girl says
Happy New Year Fellow Jihad Watchers. It’s heartening to see the swift swoop of truth rush in when the predictable taqqiya peddlers wade in. Nothing to add except Bravo! JW is the Texas of the web. Don’t mess with us.
gravenimage says
Happy New Year to you!
Jayell says
So the infamous Rezali Mehil occupies some of our increasingly scarce housing-space over here in wonderful England, does she? And no doubt soaking up the proceeds of our Welfare State along with the other few million persons that seem to have drifted across from that part of the Great Subcontinent in the Sun to enrich our national life and entertain our young girls in Rotherham. My, I DO feel honoured! Well, if she actually enjoyed some of our free education it must have paid off a bit, because her posts do make rather more sense than Mr. Muhammed’s – no, that’s NOT an invitation to put on a school uniform and join the refugees, Mr Muhammed. I note that she apparently does not consider herself ‘English’. That’s rather a happy coincidence because I and every other genuine ‘English’ person would totally agree with her since, as a person of Pakistani origin who just happens to possess a British passport, she could never ever qualify for a title that denotes a traditional Anglo-Saxon/Celtic ethnic and cultural identity. Are we going to hear more from her with that ‘more later…’ signature? No need to bother yourself, Ms Mehil. As they used to say in the washing-up liquid adverts, ‘a little goes a long way’.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid so, Jayell.
Wellington says
Fine decimation of bogus arguments once again, gravenimage.
You know, Rezali Mehil, only proves yet for another time that no defense of Islam ever works against those who know what Islam is really all about, such as you, gravenimage.
It is so highly instructive that never ONCE have I come across a defense of Islam, whether by Muslim or non-Muslim, that even remotely makes me want to reconsider that I have been too harsh on this religion. Indeed, quite the opposite. Every single defense of Islam, especially by Buttlims, only adds to my contempt of this horrible religion, which is either A) not true, in which case it can be dismissed (and despised) for sundry reasons; or B) true; in which case all those who retain any nobility in themselves must resist, like Prometheus, the cosmic tyranny which is Allah.
So, either way, Islam is a loser.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
I could not agree more on your view of Islam.
PRCS says
@Rezali
Yes, it’s true: the U.S. needs, truly needs, a steady supply of Pakistani Muslim taxi drivers here.
And, of course, how will we survive without halal butcher shops?
AleX says
‘taxi services would suffer and the lack of butcher’s shops in America’.
Lol, some of the pakis DO have a sense of humor by implying that US relies on Pakistan and not the other way around.
Remember this axiom: all Islamic states are failed states. As long as Pakistan is Islamic, there is no hope for this so-called country.
Islamic whining and belly-aching is the same trait everywhere the stain of mohomet degrades individuals in a given geographical place.
Islamists will never assume self responsibility for any immoral act, since mohomodanism has no golden rule and Islam is a parasitic form of government relying on theft, robbery, coersion, blackmail, taxation of infidels, rape as a means of warfare, intimidation and finally physical suppression of minorities.
You musselmans are cultural dissenters, unable to integrate in ANY cultural environment whatsoever. You do not assimilate as minority in any civilization, from the far East to the far West.
Thomas Kimball says
Pakistan harbors terrorists and that’s all I need to know! While Pakistan was “helping” America they were giving refuge to bin Laden! With that kind of friend who needs enemies?
Sharyati says
What a bunch of rubbish!!! What about the cleansing of Hindu’s in the Kashmir valley? What about the loss of innocent lives in India due to terrorist attacks, much before the west was even introduced to terrorist attacks?Are they not innocent?
Anne Smith says
Sort your own country out yourselves – why do you expect others to do it for you?
dumbledoresarmy says
Don’t bother talking, mate.
No-one is listening.
We’ve HAD it with mohammedan doubletalk,nonsense and lies, flowery nothings, threats, screeching, hissy fits, obscenities, boasting and all the other nastiness that flows from your mouths in a neverending stream, like sh*t from the mouths of the Flatterers in the Inferno.
Go away.
Guess what? When Jihadwatch regulars see your moniker at the top of a post, they immediately scroll on past, because your nonsense and nastiness fills us with disgust.
Wellington says
Seconded, dda. Enthusiastically seconded.
And a Happy New Year to you and yours down there in AustraliaLand.
A final thought: I hope that my country, America, and your impressive nation, Australia, remain allies forever. I think the survival of freedom depends upon it. I mean just imagine no more Australia or America or both. A new Dark Age I shudder to consider.
dumbledoresarmy says
Happy New Year to *you* Wellington.
There are Aussies who are blinded by hatred of Amerikka. But despite America’s flaws and follies (not least its having been suckered into giving vast sums of money to assorted vile Islamic entities), *I* would rather live in a world where the USA was hegemon, than a world in which either Russia, or totalitarian Christian-persecuting viciously-cruel and corrupt Communist China, or the ghastly OIC led by the likes of either the Abominable HOuse of Saud or the Mullahs of Iran, were hegemon.
The Amerikka haters like to whine about Australia being a ‘US puppet’. But one wonders how they’d like being a non-Muslimm resident of a province of Islamic Indonesia, instead – say, in West Papua, or East Timor before it gained its independence per miraculum, or the Moluccas – or being a non-Han resident of, say, Tibet, or a tribal minority person, especially if Christian, of the other non-Han provinces of the currently-communist-dominated totalitarian and supremacist Han Empire. One is tempted to ask them and find out just how far their America-hatred extends; does it extend to actively wanting to live under the boot of ethics-free totalitarian dictatorships? Under the sharia?
Linnte says
Give me 33 billion dollars, and I’d be able to rid any nation of Islamic Terrorists. Sorry Pakistani person, USA needs to remove ALL funding from ALL Islamic Nations. Until then, our dollars support and encourage ISLAM itself no matter the sect or relative orthodoxy. Islam must be eradicated for the world to be at peace. Period. Nations that have Sharia and Islam as their Governmental System must suffer the consequences of Islam, which is a spiral into the pit of 7th century existence. Only then will Muslims see with their own eyes that their Allah does NOT control the world.
Peterson says
This is the cry mantra continuously fed to Pakistanis that they are the victims of the game. But to anyone who knows the world affairs Pakistan is a country that has been exporting terrorism since 1990. What they have been doing was just blackmailing America and at the same time crying we are helpless about the powers of terrorism. They keep saying there are power centers inside the country and they can not do much against them. At the same time they will say don’t use drones becomes it will weaken the governments sovereignty of the country. They helped and supported all rouge elements and directed the money received for welfare projects to terrorist activities. Every former presidents chose an appeasing policy and Trump is the only person who had courage to call a spsde by it’s name.
Chand says
Rezali Mehil says: “Really we need our NRI professionals back from the US to come back to Pakistan and help build the Pakistani economy and bring us to a sound footing.”
LOL! Are you serious?!
Most Pakistanis would stand on their heads and do a thousand other things to be able to stay in the US. Or they’d rush to Canada if threatened to be deported.
Pakistanis would immigrate to the US if given half a chance, any day. They just sing praises for Pakistan from abroad.
Corrupt leaders, military officials and politicians inside Pakistan loot the people and use the wealth to try and settle in the West by fair means or foul, as soon as they canl.
Frank Anderson says
There is a real problem: How do we reach our people and what allies as may be there in Afghanistan if not through or over Pakistan? Look at a map. How can we cross Iran, Russia, or any of Russia’s old Soviet copycats, or China to deliver supplies and keep our people in reach. We could be creating a Stalingrad with our people and those who fight with us against the ??????? (bad guys). That has been the problem from the beginning, and one of the best reasons OBL and friends set up shop in Afghanistan. Part of the solution must be a really serious effort to kill enough quickly to not only eliminate the present group of ????? (“insurgents”) but also to discourage any from joining. When and where will the next MOAB drop? And then the next; and the next. . . . ? It took massive and brutal violence to break Japanese leaders in WWII. This is a good time to remember the lesson.
gravenimage says
The problem is that we do not really have allies in Afghanistan–nor in Pakistan, either.
Guy Forester says
The history of that area shows that you are correct. Let them fight each other all they want. No money, no tech support. Let’s see, Pakistan sent us the San Bernardino massacre. Anything else from there besides towels, cheap disposable medical instruments that bend and break, and more radicals?
Frank Anderson says
GI, I respectfully disagree. I think the situation is a lot like Vietnam and Laos. While there are justifiable doubts about the commitment of leaders to an alliance, the “little” people, who put their lives on the line with our service people and do not attack them, will have short lives if we get out. Look at the loss of life in mass murders (“executions”) in Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos with the US evacuation. Muslims will do worse, not limiting their killing to a “few” million, but to every person connected with those who helped fight them. The approach to ending our presence is either abandon the place, taking those we can identify without question as allies, or to go “postal” and kill anything that walks, man or beast, that shows or supports hostility. Picking off a few here and there only aids recruitment of replacements because we do not show the will to win. What other paths in addition to Pakistan are available to transport “stuff” in and out of Afghanistan? Always with best wishes to you.
gravenimage says
Fran–with all reapect–you are essentially saying that we have to stay in Afghanistan in perpetuity–and to continue to fork over vast amounts of money to Pakistan for them to use for terrorism, and that we have to pretend that this is not happening–because if we don’t Muslims will slaughter their coreligionists.
In Vietnam, those victimized by the Communists when we left were not Communists.
But these are all Muslims. The supposedly moderate government there recently put *stoning* back on the books. There is no way to civilize those who continue to adhere to Islam.
If we want to take out a few people who served as interpreters and such, fine–but for us to remain in Afghanistan, dying for a regime that legally stones women to death, is just perverse.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I do not favor a permanent presence in Afghanistan. I do favor a presence as long as we can sustain our people, troops and others, for the purpose of showing the jihadis a strong dose of their own medicine instead of the PC limited efforts that were made of the previous collaborative US administration. The jihadis love to kill. They love to die. They hate this world and want to go elsewhere. By doing what I *think* is being done without fanfare by the current administration, only more and faster, either the jihadis will learn how miserable it is to live with the daily risk of horror, or they will die and go to their land of promise.
There is no reason to expect a change of mind until there is a mind to change. It took 2 atomic bombs, 2 cities of rubble and more or less 150,000 dead people to change the mind of a suicidal administration in Japan to end WWII. That insane Emperor Worship leadership was what, more or less 100 years in the making? Islam is 1400 years in the making. Remember also that the Korean War went on endlessly until it was made known that the US was contemplating the use of nuclear (NOT “New-Que-Lar”, for Jimmy Carter intellects) weapons. The Chinese were ready to sacrifice large numbers of people; BUT NOT *THAT* MANY! We have to find the limit that jihadis are willing to lose before they find something better to do. And then take the fight past that limit, whatever it is. That is the only way to end the fight. With modern sensors, precision guided weapons and high yield explosives the need to use nuclear weapons today is lower than when previous wars have been fought. [With fuel-air technology a 10 ton MOAB yields about the same energy as 100 tons of TNT, which carries its own oxygen within the chemical explosive. That is also about the yield of a small tactical nuclear weapon. Check out the Air Force Armaments Museum in Florida and the Nuclear Weapons Museum in Albuquerque NM.]
I thoroughly agree that evacuation of those who help our people should be limited, but include all who put their lives on the line and displayed loyalty for our treasured people.
gravenimage says
Sorry–that is Frank, not Fran. Typo.
Frank Anderson says
GI, honored lady, “Call me anything you want; just remember to call me for supper!!” I certainly understand about sticking keys and typos.
Stacy Girl says
Here’s a thought: we allowed them on the map and we can take them off. What happened to East Pak. ? The whole thing should become Greater India. Casualties expected.
Frank Anderson says
S.G., certainly worth considering. Like the ubiquitous “All of the Above” response to energy issues, which usually goes along with “throw YOUR money in all directions” instead of evaluating each alternative to identify the best, most productive, reasonable and economically sound alternative, this problem requires thought and a decision. People who lack the ability to make decisions have put us where we are globally by appeasing every obnoxious challenger who comes along with the blood, sweat, tears and wealth of other people instead of their own. “The problem with socialism (“I know what is best for you”) is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money to give away.” (paraphrasing Margaret Thatcher). I could give several examples on the insane waste of money on “alternative energy” projects that if continued will wreck the US economy with electric rates that are triple, quadruple or worse than the present. As we let this “radical terror” continue, the impact on our liberty and economy will be similar, and catastrophic.
Sharyati says
Well Frank, worth considering??Do you know that millions of Hindus were slaughtered during the partition?? What do you and SG have in mind?? Another Hindu holocaust?? Why such hatred to Hindus?
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, it is hard to slaughter people who are equipped and prepared to fight in their own defense. Those who would do the slaughtering would themselves be slaughtered, which is a just and desirable outcome. In contrast to other religions, islam is a religion of death worship. What little I know about Hindu teaching indicates it is not. The first duty of all living beings is to defend their own lives, which I believe to be a gift in trust of God. In “trust” means that the “property” of life is God’s which is allowed to us for our use, but is not ours to waste, throw away or allow to be stolen.
Sharyati says
Yes you are right and i agree to all that you say. But such an outcome would not be desirable. The Muslim population will unnecessary burgeon across this “Greater India” and you will have more terrorists coming in gleefully from the east and the west. Even now in areas of India were there are a majority of Muslims, there are problems of love jihad, forced conversions etc etc. The problem as is already now is slightly complex. Why do we need an influx of stupid uneducated Muslims to screw up our fast growing economy? Even many local educated Muslims in India detest these guys!! The problem will be the same as in the west. They will form ghettos, would want sharia/personal laws etc etc. Take for example the Rohingya refugees. The lakh or so refugees we have taken in are already causing a law and order problem. Burglary, chain snatching, encroaching illegally and blocking roads, rapes of Hindu/Christian women etc etc.
Yes when push comes to shove we would not mind retaliation, but we would like to prevent that in the first place a thing the west could have done(For example the brain dead Scandinavians, UK, Canada etc)
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, Muslims have shown a remarkable ability to relocate. Just ask the Swedes, Brits, Germans, Danes, French. . . Until non-muslims grow some _______ and get ready, willing and able to fight for themselves will the killing and attendant violence stop. Pacifism, and appeasement invite aggression. How many times in a little over a hundred years has that been demonstrated? “Those who cannot remember. . .” Jorge Santayana, The Life of Reason (1905).
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, an additional thought: Neville Chamberlain, Louis Daladier and all the other appeasers before WWII were terrified of what could happen if they acted to stop Hitler. Many times early on acting could have defeated and even destroyed Hitler at little or no cost. Time after time opportunities were rejected that could change history and save millions of lives. What was done? “NO, I’m afraid. . .” And WHAT happened anyway? TENS of millions died, Europe was wrecked, and liberty went away for hundreds of millions for decades. Like the old commercial for a product I do not remember, “Pay me now or pay me later.” But we will pay the price sooner or later for letting this disease infect our world. The only question is How Much when the bill is finally paid?
Sharyati says
No Frank, i do not want to appease. Yes you are right we need to catch bull by the horns. But just reduce the number of bulls we need to catch so that the task i made that much easier . That’s what i mean here. But earlier our stupid so called “Secular”(In india secularism means minority bum licking and not what the word originally means) politicians were(are still)screwing the Hindu majority here. anything Hindu is treated with contempt. Already people are getting angrier and the BJP which is supposed to be a right wing party(Not really though, it is no less eager to show its appeasement as the INC The Indian National(Though only notional) Congress) is slowly capturing the votes of a angry Hindu majority and most states are slowly falling to it.
At this rate there will be a severe backlash one day.!!!
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, I have fought for peace all my life, usually alone against powerful and overwhelming opposition. In many places for a long time we can read that “Peace is not free.” The real world of life often requires violence to stop violence. I cannot think of an example in history where violence suddenly and spontaneously recognized the “error” of its ways to become peaceful. I live to the best of my ability by the rule “Wish for you that which I wish for me.” Peace and liberty are not obtained by surrender to tyranny. I believe that wisdom is all around us from many surprising sources, if we will just look and listen. I suggest that the 2 major lessons of Exodus can be received and applied far beyond Jews and Christians: 1) No matter how well things start; They change. 2) God does not want His Children (ALL who call upon Him as Father) to live in any form of tyranny or slavery. Applying the proposition that we are our “brothers’ keeper”, and that all who wish to share mutual success are our brothers, I wish peace for all. It appears not only from my experience but also history that peace frequently requires war. The longer the fight is postponed the stronger the enemy becomes and the higher the price that must be paid for freedom.
Sharyati says
Yes Frank, we too have had a warrior caste called the Kshatriyas. They were our military might since ancient times. Yes they routinely fought each other and had internal skirmishes and massacres, sometimes used petty politics etc etc. But it was this caste that kept India from foreign invasions. Come Buddha at around 5BCE and every other King in India become a Buddha Bikshu and goes off to Sri Lanka or Thailand or Malaysia, Voila we have the invasion of Alexander the first real foreign power to invade us. But still some real fighting powers remained. Come Jainism a religion that made non violence a fetish, that even doing agriculture was deemed a sin and many kings who became patrons of this religion, actually starved to death, believing cultivation was a sin. This in turn made the warrior caste more and more softer and we started to have major invasions.
The pinnacle off this emaciation is the arrival of Gandhi, who imposed selective non violence on Hindus, but never condemned muslim aggression. He supported them at every turn despite the rapes, murders they committed. Every time Hindus retaliated he would go on a fast condemning vioence, a hypocrite to the core. He sent of to death hundreds of Indians by encouraging them to enroll in the British army and fight with Britain in WWII a war Indians had nothing to do with. But no sooner a few policemen were burnt during a local freedom protest at a police station he called of the protest and called for cleansing blah blah..
Now it is this stupid mindless, robotic following of non violence by previous governments that has literally emaciated us. Modi seems to display aggression and let us see how it goes. If he displays the same aggression it would be good. Nothing great but this is a small change in policy compared to previous sickular, anti Hindu, Congress governments. For example no PM in India dare to stand up to China as modi did on the Dhoklam issue. Hope this change is for long term too. So yes India needs the Kshatra might(Military power) of ancient times especially in these perilous times.
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, this is an opinion from an outsider offered for thought: Reliance on a caste to do the fighting to protect the society is a weakness. Sheeply pacifism in a world of murderous people is nothing less than suicidal. Suicide because someone else is evil is a waste of that gift in trust of life from your God, by whatever name you call your God (Masonic influence). It is every person’s duty to protect life, liberty and freedom. That is what Israel does in a sea of those who would cheerfully kill every Jew. Every able-bodied person serves in the military, men for 2 years, women for 18 months, even now the ultra-orthodox who used to be exempt. Then they remain in the trained reserves ready to be called whenever needed. Self-defense is not merely a right; IT IS A UNIVERSAL DUTY. I understand that Samuel Clemmens, aka Mark Twain said (paraphrased), “There is no more peaceful place than a room full of armed people.” That is what it takes in a world of mad-dog killers.
Sharyati says
Yes but we do not have that caste extant today and have one of the worlds most biggest armed forces and a PM who is equally determined. As evidenced by his readiness for a military showdown with china and the incursions into Pak and Myanmar to route out the terrorists holed up there. No we do not have have compulsory defense services as our population is quite large for the army to draw upon!! A new wave of patriotism is sweeping India with the right wing party coming to power and capturing power in state after state. Probably you are not exposed to these discussions on Indian language websites, they virtually are borderline extremist. See just what happens!!
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, I have 22 years of classroom and laboratory education, 2 degrees and pieces of 3 others. But I have struggled with English. No, I do not read, speak, write or understand the Indian language. What I do know from a lifetime of experience and reading is that the fewer times and places one depends on others for basic security, the better one can live. Yes, India has a population that is about 200 times the Jewish population of Israel, and almost 100 times the worldwide population of Jews. But when that population in India leaves to others its basic defense and the decisions connected to the preparations and actions, it surrenders to the slavery of socialism, by whatever name is used [“You are a mindless untrained irresponsible idiot; and I know what is best for you!”]
I have been fighting in many different ways, sometimes in courtrooms, sometimes with other weapons, to secure my freedom and that of my clients. It is impossible for me to fight for a client who refuses to help, leaving the whole job to me against a usually well-funded, arrogant and powerful opponent. Those who refuse to help were ordered to find other representation. There are approximately as many people in India as there are muslims in the world. There is no reason that India should cower in the face of backward ignorance that is part and parcel of islam, when India, as the world’s largest democracy, shows the success that is possible with increasing general freedom and liberty. A change of Indian mind to prepare both physically and psychologically to act in its own defense would be the kind of action to bring fear to the present terrorists that would cause them to do the required reset to find more productive activities. Military training puts into perspective the responsibility that goes along with freedom and liberty. Those who think “freedom is free” are useless parasites who do not begin to appreciate the sacrifices that were, are and will be made to obtain that freedom.
gravenimage says
“East Pakistan” is now Bangladesh.
Sharyati says
Oh Stacy girl please spare us of this Greater India, that too with the Pakis!!!. It could have been Greater India if the area continued to have Hindu/Buddhist culture there. But integrating india with Pakistan and the erstwhile Bangladesh is the surest way for current India to get into the OIC/Islamic hellhole AKA dar al islam. Oh god!!! rather than that happening, may an earth quake swallow up Hindu India!!!That seems a better paradise!!!
Carol says
Sharyati…you mentioned the warrior caste (and most would know of the allowable warfare in the Bhagavad Gita) but Frank has responded by describing the benefits of preparation for the citizenry at large. I wonder however how much the doctrine of AHIMSA (NON-VIOLENCE) would hinder such an attempt. I’m sure it greatly influenced Ghandi.
AHIMSA: (Sanskrit: “noninjury”) in the Indian religions of Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, the ethical principle of not causing harm to other living things. In Jainism, ahimsa is the standard by which all actions are judged.
Frank Anderson says
Carol, I have no doubt that you have better information regarding Indian teachings of non-violence. May I suggest that as a living human being, the first person I have a duty to prevent harm is myself, as my life is only a property of God given to me in trust to use and then to be called back to the Owner when it is over. As so eloquently stated by George C. Scott in the movie Patton, pretty close if not absolutely faithful to the actual statement of General Patton, “No poor dumb bastard ever served his country by dying for it; He performed his duty by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his.” Dead people are not only useless, but are a burden to the living. They cannot help with their knowledge, experience and labor. All they can do is sap the strength of the living with grief. If non-violence is the answer to violence, then suicide saves everyone a lot of misery. My God did not create me to kill myself nor to permit others to kill me. According to Jewish teaching, Rabbi Hillel taught to wish for others that which we wish for ourselves. I wish life, liberty and respect for all of us who share that vision; Regardless of religious labels. Suicide in any form is not an acceptable alternative.
Sharyati says
Carol no Hindu scripture requires you to follow ahimsa at every point in life. It is impossible to do so. For a example let us take the duties of the king. One of the most important duties of a king is to protect his subjects as he would protect his children. Now let us assume the king refuses to fight marauding bandits who enter his kingdom, who rape women, plunder and kill people. Is it ok for the king to drop his weapons and go to the Bandit chief and start preaching ahima? What about the injustice to the women in his kingdom? What about the innocent lives lost?
The Hindu scriptures do not make a fetish of ahimsa or violence but ask you to deal on a case by case basis. For example if you have a quarrel with a neighbor you do not take out a pistol and empty it into your neighbor. You talk, cajole him, appeal to him based on your friendship etc etc. So non violence can be possible here But on the other hand let us say a burglar enters your house(God forbid this should never happen) what would you do if he were attacking you or your kids? So ahimsa is valid only when your foe has some streak of morality and a conscience. Talking ahimsa to a gung ho, ruthless opponent is like pouring water into a pot with a hole. Nothing would be retained in such a pot. Similarly there is no use in this case.
As for Gandhi, millions of Hindus had to pay for his Ahimsa fetish. He selectively imposed it on Hindus alone. Hindus were slaughtered in riots during partition, but whenever they retaliated he used to chide them, degrade them etc etc. But when Muslims killed and raped, he advised Hindus to send their women folk till the last till their appetite was satisfied. He never condemned them for their acts. Do you think it is fair. Do we Hindus do not deserve to live in dignity with our womenfolk? He had no qualms of sending 1000s of Hindus to death during WWII, by asking them to enlist in the British army and fight for them in a war that had nothing to do with India. But during the freedom struggle a few British policemen being burnt down in a police station in a place called Chauri Chaurah was enough for him to stop the freeedon agitations. People who followed him were beaten to death by British Latis and batons. For example take Lala Lajaput Rai. Please look up on google to see what happened to him. The worst back stabbing by Gandhi was during the Kashmir integration to India. India withheld the 50Crore Rupee share that was Pakistan’s to force them to cede Kashmir, which was anyway a Hindu Kingdom for centuries. You can search for poets like Bartruhari etc etc. These were Kashmir poets who existed even before the birth of Buddha. But Gandhi supported Pakistan and conducted a fast till death to force the Indian government the crore rupees to the Pakis. If this had not happened the Kashmir issue would never have existed. Even after 70 years it continues to rankle us. Gandhi lived with his head in the skies without realizing certain practical realities and his stupid acts continue to haunt us even now. One other example of the penalty Hindu’s had to pay for his ahimsa fetish was the Khilafat movement. When Mustafa Kemal Ataturk abandone the Ottoman caliphate, the muslims in India went on rampage killing 1000s and 1000s of Nambudri brahmins in the Malabar which is now a part of Kerala a south state. Gandhi instead of condemning this called Ali brothers who were responsible for this his Muslim brothers and suspended the freedom movement. What on earth does did the Indian freedom movement got to do with an Islamic theological issue? But he was an Islamic appeaser to the bone to feel any shame. Do you think the Ali brothers had any love for them? No!! They shamelessly sad that only a Muslim even if he is a debauched thief, would go to heaven. But Gandhi even with saintly behavior would go to hell!!.
Jainism is this fetishism taken to an extreme Many kings who converted to it died by starvation as they believed even cultivation was a sin as a it would involve killing of snakes or rodents. One king even refused to wear clothes and stood naked in a field till death. This resulted in the loss of Kings with fighting capability leaving their subjects open to enemies and bandits. I do not think this is a healthy approach as life as is not viewed as is. Just as compassion is part of life, violence too is a part of life. Yes we need not cause trouble to any being to the best of our ability but to our dependents and people who trust us, we owe the best to them. This is the fundamental dharma. I would surely not stand by and watch if my daughter or wife or mother is rapped.
To some up my long windy(Sorry for that) post, a quote from the Hindu scriptures(The dharma shastra) in sanskrit
“Ahimsa paramo dharma. Dharma himsa tataiva cha”
“Ahimsa is the paramount duty. But of equal importance is himsa(Violence) committed to uphold Dharma(Right conduct)
Frank Anderson says
Sharyati, a truly great response. Thank you both for it and the education in wisdom.
Peterson says
We Indians do not want anything to do with Pakistan. Balkanization and capturing of their nuclear weapons are two things Trump should be focusing now. It will become difficult now as China has brought a lot of assets in Pakistan. The greater possibility or Pakistan is a greater China.
Sharyati says
Yes but we do not have that caste extant today and have one of the worlds most biggest armed forces and a PM who is equally determined. As evidenced by his readiness for a military showdown with china and the incursions into Pak and Myanmar to route out the terrorists holed up there. No we do not have have compulsory defense services as our population is quite large for the army to draw upon!! A new wave of patriotism is sweeping India with the right wing party coming to power and capturing power in state after state. Probably you are not exposed to these discussions on Indian language websites, they virtually are borderline extremist. See just what happens!!
Chand says
Sharyati says: “So yes India needs the Kshatra might(Military power) of ancient times especially in these perilous times.”
This glorious India of ancient times is a myth. There were multiple principalities and kingdoms, often fighting each other. There were always many different faiths, forms of worship, languages, customs, local cultures and philosophies there. There was never one India with one religion.
Anyway, one of the main reasons that foreign invaders in the past were able to invade and conquer India was because Indian Hindus were divided among themselves. The caste system has systematically oppressed and brutalized the lower caste by divine sanction.
Although the impact of the caste system is gradually diminishing in Indian society, it has certainly not disappeared. Many upper caste Hindus still continue to consider the lower castes as sub human. Unless modern thinking pervades India, harking back to some glorious past is reactionary and harmful.
Just day before yesterday there was violence between upper and lower caste Hindus in Maharashtra state.
Sharyati says
Hahaa Chand the incurable leftist aren’t you!!!. Typical of Left liberalists and Dravidian politics i have seen all through my life till now!!. Yes i know there were multiple provinces, kingdoms, castes, deities, languages etc etc etc, yet there was one common unifying factor for all Hindu kingdoms, Vedic dharma and Varna dharma for each caste. that does not mean there were different religions or dharmas and that is where vedic plurality comes from. All kings from the Cholas, Pandyas and Cheras in the Dravidian south, to the guptas in the north and Kashmirian kings practiced vedic rites. Yes i do agree that Hindu kingdoms were not united. But atleast they were fighting fight before Buddhist and Jaina influences made them impotent
What have you read of india’s past? Have you read any original Sanskrit texts like Mimamsa, Nyaya for predicate logic, Jyothisha(Astronomy not astrology, which gives algorithms to calculate eclipses, when the sun will arise on a given day and so on read this paper on how eclipses where reckoned in ancient India https://www.jstor.org/stable/25581255?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents), the mathematical treatises of Leelavati and Bhaskara, the grammatical treatises of Panini, the artha shastra of chanakya for economics and politics, panchatantra for statecraft, Aryabhattas treatises in astronomy, treatises by the Kerala school of Algebra, Last not but the least the 4 vedas out of which the Sama veda is the very basis for all current Indian music systems and the Atharvana veda which is the source for Ayurveda and healing? What about Yoga which the west is practicing with great gusto? Have you heard of the text called Hatha yoga pradeepaka ? do you know that Panini in his grammar treatises has carefully traced out the physiology of pronunciation and the organs involved in pronunciation of each alphabet to exact precision, that modern day scans on the oral tract confirms this? Do you know that the respected Dr Ambedkar a genius and scholar himself used Mimamsa principles to formulate the constitution and the IPC in India? For example see justice Katju’s article on how it is used in law in contemporary courts
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/drishtikone/2008/03/indian-supreme-court-uses-mimamsa-school-legal-reasoning-decide-case/
What about the art and architecture and sculptures found on 1000s and 1000s of temples across the length and breadth of the country? Do you think that they were just works of fluke or intricate works of civil engineering? Think of how those magnificent structures where erected without modern equipment like cranes, for example read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihadisvara_Temple,_Thanjavur. What about the countless treatises on how to play musical instruments, how to build them, the countless other treatises on drama, dance, histrionics etc etc
What locus standi do you have to say that india’s past is a Myth?? Read this for example https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-neuroscientist-explores-the-sanskrit-effect/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sa-editorial-social&utm_content=&utm_term=mind_blog_&sf177940867=1#
This is the most latest neuro biological study. Chand you are just a closet leftist, Islamist apologist ready to stamp down on the achievements of this country. All you know is class/caste oppression and the like. As i say typical lefty liberal, degrading anything Indian and Hindu, while making statements like the Islamic religion is not Arabic hegemony and was cosmopolitan. Disgusting!!!
Sharyati says
Not to mention the Sulba sutras of Bodhayana which is a form of construction geometry with a rope and stakes. This where you find the first usage of the Pythagorean theorem long before it was called so. What about metallurgy? Still the west has not been able to discover how the iron pillar at the qutb minar has not rusted for 1000s of years. What about the precise craftsmanship of ancient Jewellers? How intricate their designs were?. See this article from forbes
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2015/11/13/a-one-trillion-dollar-hidden-treasure-chamber-is-discovered-at-indias-sree-padmanabhaswam-temple/#47ab2f591ba6
See the photos of Jewels and coins? The intricately carved statue of a reclining Vishnu? That was just the work of ignoramuses?
Chand it is pathetic that you though being part of this heritage(I suppose so) decry your own heritage, being brain washed by rootless leftists, liberals and the like. This seems to me a mental disease!!!
dumbledoresarmy says
We cut our losses – ‘we’ being all free western countries whether from the Anglosphere or elsewhere – and get out of Afghanistan as well.
Then we *consolidate* the Zone of the Free by teaming up with *India*. And by assisting India, and Thailand, and Philippines, and yes, Myanmar, to utterly crush the jihad that is being waged within their gates, by the mohammedan colonists that pullulate within their borders.
I’m going to be blunt: one need not be as brutal as China or Myanmar, to recognise that mohammedan colonies inside the borders are a permanent menace, and a clear and present danger, to the peace of all non-Muslims also within the borders; and then, step by step, with resolution, begin upon the task of requiring the mohammedan colonists and imperialists – for that is what they *are* – to depart. India would be far more stable and prosperous today if, at Partition, the separation of populations had been *complete*: if all non-Muslims had been able to flee from what are now Pakistan and Bangladesh, and if ALL Muslims had been kicked out into those Islamic enclaves, within which they could then be required to *remain*, and prevented – forcibly, if necessary – from reentering India.
Frank Anderson says
DDA, I have no reason to oppose your thoughts. As long as non-muslims remain passive and allow the ongoing muslim conquest by war, terror and invasion, the outcome is likely to be unpleasant. Einstein’s description of insanity, paraphrased, “Doing the same thing while expecting a different result” almost certainly applies. Only when we can terrorize the terrorists will we see different results, Remember the Philippines and the muslim terrorists who were dealt with harshly by General Pershing (?). When fear is present they will stop for as long as fear is maintained. I believe I have stated sufficiently my opinion that staying in Afghanistan long enough to strike cold, mind-numbing fear in the jihadis is the limit of our presence. After that get out and look for more to send to paradise. They are certainly looking for more of us to send to a far more unpleasant after life. Remember the opening speech in the movie Patton with George C. Scott.
Mr F Middleton says
Not only USA (but them principally), all Western powers have been funding our enemies for too long. Without foreign money they will have to sort out their economies and they will find backing Jihad too great a cost. Iran’s ayatollahs are coming down because of high food prices, they know Trump backs the protests. I foresee something similar in other major Islamic countries. We also need to defund the Muslim Brotherhood and all its tentacles.
Januk36 says
I hope the MB will soon be declared a terrorist organsiations and with the following of money trails will eilmininate many other organisations sympathising in the wake.
gravenimage says
Good analysis.
Don McKellar says
ONCE AGAIN, EVERYTHING I REPEATED ENDLESSLY ABOUT TRUMP ON HERE IS COMING TRUE.
You’re not going to like everything about him, you’re not going to agree with him on everything, and he isn’t going to like everything you do or have done, Robert Spencer. But he is the ultimate president America will ever see when it comes to fighting jihad. Nobody could even come close. AND REMEMBER — he’s only the president, not the dictator. He has to fight to do the right thing. He’s got opposition not only in congress and the senate, but in Obama’s corrupted judicial system and even the politicized FBI and other government arms. It’s going to take his whole first term to readjust those things to make them politically neutral and serving the American people. You have to be realistic.
But hasn’t it been a hell of year for this guy? Just when you think he lost, he turns it around and wins. Again and again and again. He is a phenomenon.
gravenimage says
Your impression that Robert Spencer is slamming Trump here is entirely mistaken.
Stacy Girl says
Yep.
Don McKellar says
He did a lot of slamming while Trump was a candidate. You have a very short memory.
gravenimage says
Trump had sneered at freedom of speech re the Mohammad Cartoon Art Show, and indicated that anyone practicing it re Islam was to blame for being in danger from ravening Muslims.
This was absolutely appalling, and Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller were absolutely right to call him on it.
I think Robert Spencer has been very even-handed in his approach to Trump, taking each incident on its own merits–or lack of same.
Overall, Trump has proven to be far more anti-Jihad than many recent presidents–particularly his predecessor, and Spencer has solidly supported that–as here.
eduardo odraude says
Spencer initially was skeptical of Trump and critical of him. I understood the skepticism and criticism but I argued that Trump would prove to be a strong ally against Islamic totalitarianism.
In any event, for months now, Trump has proved to be fairly strong against Islamic totalitarianism. And for months Spencer has been pretty pro-Trump, at least with respect to Islam issues.
Goutam says
I guess the danger lies in the fact that, Pakistan, being an internationally recognised cheap rate whore state, will simply fall on the feet of communist China and beg for extra alms. Pakistani policy-makers have been playing this blackmail game for a long time and surely they will play it again.
Guy Forester says
I agree. Let them. China will not tolerate the ISI aiding the Uighur separatists, so I do not think that friendship will be very strong. China is simply trying to outflank India and trying to keep Tibet pacified as well. China will soon find out as we have that Pakistan is a rat hole that continues to suck up and demand more support. Let China have Afghanistan and Pakistan. They will soon tire of the constant jihad waged against them.
Chand says
Guy Forester says: “China will not tolerate the ISI aiding the Uighur separatists……….”
“………………China is simply trying to outflank India……”
Yes, and therefore the problem is that China may continue to turn a blind eye to Pakistan’s facilitation of Jihadism in Kashmir as their overall anti-India strategy. China has consistently been reluctant to curb Pakistan on their terror strategy against India, refusing to censure Jihadi leaders when India has been trying to get them designated as terrorists in the UN, using its veto power.
Sharyati says
Well Chand, China is having an Uighur Muslim problem which the ISIS plans to exploit anyway. And Pakistan being the holy land for terrorists and terrorism, they will use Pakistan as a base and attempt to commit Jihad. Then China will come to its senses
gravenimage says
I don’t think China is going to be nearly as generous. Besides, Pakistan has been sucking up to China for decades now. I don’t think this will be any loss to us.
Wellington says
Looks like McMaster lost this round.
Lu says
I do not believe it. But the tweet is precious – what a great president he is, especially in the international arena.
If the is the Year of Dog, be it a Year of Trump: a year of the truth being finally spoken, loud and clear, and by the leader of the Free World at that.
Every single day of his in the Oval Office is priceless.
Wellington says
I only said this round, not over all. McMaster unfortunately still retains a lot of influence. Many “rounds” to go however.
gravenimage says
Trump: Pakistan gives “safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”
Trump’s tweet in full: “The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies & deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools. They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!”
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An American president speaking so much truth is just astonishing! I hope he cuts Jizya to Pakistan, who has just been laughing in our faces for the better part of two decades now, while not just winking at but actually sponsoring Jihad terror.
They also oppress and murder Christians and other Infidels in their own country, with barely a peep out of Western leaders–and never a suggestion that this needs to stop if they are to receive another dime from us.
Bravo, President Trump!
Judith Keegan says
Pakistan must surely qualify as the world’s largest mental asylum.
AleX says
Islam is mass hysteria combined with group thinking psychopathy.
How dumb can one get by taking mohomet as a guiding figure.
I guess Islam is for the retarded and the sluggish inefficient simpletons.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, Islam was designed to appeal to the thuggish and sluggish. It was not until Moham-merde figured out that he could get weak men to do his bidding by offering them opportunities to gratify all and any vile inclination, that he was able to succeed in his lust for power.
gravenimage says
“Thuggish and sluggish”–that’s spot on, Stella!
Mitch says
Go Trump go
Champ says
Bravo Trump!
So thankful to finally have a president ready to do the right thing and on so many fronts!
DFD says
Let me get this right: The US has been spending 33,000 (thirty three thousand) million dollars over the last 15 years on Pakistan, that’s 2,200 million dollars per year !!
In other words: The US has been spending on a nuclear power, which this country has developed itself by deceiving the west, $69 PER SECOND for 15 years… BTW, a day has 86,400 seconds.
And I thought we Euros are the undisputed masters of stupidity and reckless spending. Hah! Little did I know…
Peter says
You say
“BTW, a day has 86,400 seconds.”
Shouldn’t that be 604800.
DFD says
Nope. 3,600 secs in an hour times 24 equals 86,400
But thanks for your reply and thinking!
Pigs be upon him says
Something happened for Trump to tweet at 3 am…
Wonder if Pakis did something stupid
gravenimage says
Trump regularly Tweets in the wee hours, and the Pakistanis are always doing something stupid.
abad says
FINALLY!
And after Pakistan, the rest of the Moslem-majority nations, including Saudi Arabia.
Keep that money at home!
MAGA!!!
Thomas Kimball says
Divert some of the money to the Iranian protesters!
dumbledoresarmy says
No. America is heavily in debt. And NO money should be given to any Muslims anywhere in the world, period. By now, all Infidel countries should know that giving money to mohammedans is a total waste of time and does nothing but weaken and ultimately destroy the giver.
The money saved – money no longer poured into the insatiable maws of assorted Islamic state and non-state entities – should be used either to help clear the debt or else to invest in the USA – ‘seed money’, carefully spent so that in the long run ordinary Americans will be able, one by one by one, to support themselves and their families and communities. So that much that has gotten broken and run-down can be fixed, rebuilt, made better.
StellaSaidSo says
All jizya payments to hostile actors must end. Including welfare.
Sarah says
How long will Pakistan last, without foreign aid from the West, full stop? Not just American aid, but all of us?
They’d no doubt, prioritize the nuclear program over almost everything else. So we could see destabilization, conflict, riots etc etc within the populace. Not to mention that without aid, good luck feeding, caring for, educating, housing and vaccinating the reams of inbred idiots that populate that disaster zone of a country.
Hell, I’m all for it. Let’s cut them off. Time to sink or swim without running to the West to fix everything for them.
Guy Forester says
The ruling class over there does not care who dies from lack of food, medical care, or clean water. They will do these things:
1. Blame the US in general, and Christians in particular. A pogrom always works well for despots.
2. When they run out of Christians to immolate, they can go after Hindus and Ahmadis
3. Invoke the doctrine of “inshallah”
4. Ramp up the attacks in Kashmir
5. Try another Mumbai attack.
See, they can do lots of stuff without us and not worry if thousands of their own citizens die of malnutrition or cholera, as long has they have their nukes to threaten India with. Maybe the UN will help.
Sharyati says
Yes the very existence of Pakistan is predicated on an “Anti India” stand. Culturally India and Pak share the same Hindu/Buddhist heritage and Pak despite all of its pretenses has no unique history or culture. A fact that these guys are ashamed off. So they are in an ideological vacuum and are trying hard to scrub of their ancient superior heritage for a tribal desert religion that is pushing it back into the medieval period.
Cicero says
Sharyati’s posts are a welcome robust contribution on all manner of anti – Jihad debates on JW. From a non western perspective
Hindus have suffered the barbarous onslaughts from the ROP for more than a millennia. They know Islam very intimately and are well conscious of the terror and destruction it is capable of committing not just on a material scale. The damage done to the Hindu psyche is still prevailing.
Do keep them coming Sharyati
Sharyati says
Cicero thanks for the encouragement
Sharyati says
Cicero,Thanks for your encouragement.
Chand says
Really good decision by Trump. If it is really followed through and he remains consistent. Finally a substantial measure in the war on terror. Even if it doesn’t stop the facilitation of Jihadi terrorism by that rogue state, it’ll surely be a huge dent in their moral, position and capabilities now.
China will try to foot some of the bills now and Pakistan will go begging to S. Arabia, I’m sure.
There should be further measures to curtail Pakistan though if it still doesn’t learn and stop sponsoring Jihad.
Sharyati says
Whew atlast!!!Hope this tweet is followed by some concrete policy changes
Anne Smith says
Hoorah for Trump!!!
Wish we had a leader with his common sense in UK.
dumbledoresarmy says
Two comments.
First: every single American jihadwatcher here present who agrees that the President’s words concerning Pakistani deceitfulness (running with the hare and hunting with the hounds, and basically using the ‘war on terror’ to EXTORT vast sums of money in ‘aid’ from the USA and numerous other western countries including the UK) are 100 percent true – which they ARE – and supports the idea of cutting off every last red cent of US ‘aid’ to that utterly worthless Islamic hell-pit, should tweet, email, phone and above all, *write* (send a brief, hand-written or typed and signed letter) to your POTUS to express your total agreement and support. Encourage him to save American money by ceasing all ‘aid’, of any kind at all, to Islamic Pakistan; encourage him to realign the USA with *India*.
Secondly: a much more erudite and articulate man than Trump, many many years ago not long after Pakistan came into existence, said pretty much the same thing about Pakistan, as President Donald Trump has just done. And said it with brutal clarity.
His name was David McCutchion. He was an incredibly scholarly, absolutely brilliant Indophile scholar. He died far too young. Mr Spencer’s friend ‘Hugh Fitzgerald’ told us about him here at Jihadwatch, eleven years ago. Here is the post that Hugh wrote, in a thread that was discussing an explosion at the “Red Mosque” near Islamabad. You won’t find it in the archives, but it did get reposted as a stand-alone; in any case I copied and kept it.
Said Hugh: “I recently picked up at a book sale a copy of “The Miscellany,” edited by P. Lal, and published in Calcutta. Issue #51 (June 1972), one of three devoted to the then recently-deceased, at age 41, of David McCutchion.
“An Englishman, David McCutchion was a lover of India, not of the william-dalrympish sort, that is the kind who loves the luxe of the Moghul court and its love intrigues, nor the kind of Englishman (also william-dalrympish) of the walking-across-half-a-continent-when-young sort, making use of local color of the human interest kind, often grizzled or wizened or wizenedly grizzled picturesque Muslims, to do the work for him (downmarket Byrons and Newbys, not to menton the now-unfashionable, because bookish, traveller Gide in “Le Retour du Tchad”), but a true scholar, an Indophile who studied brick temples in Bengal, and Indian writing, was a friend of Satyajit Ray and all sorts of interesting people in Calcutta who never get the attention in the West that all those anti-Western islamisant arundhati-roys manage to get.
“ I read through The Miscellany #52 – and discovered a tribute from the Sanskrit (and Buddhism) scholar Richard Gombrich (son of E. H.), who opened his essay, titled “His Work Is Unrepeatable,” with this:
“The recent death of Mr. David McCutchion in Calcutta at the age of 41 is a catastrophe for oriental studies.”
“Gombrich describes McCutchion as a scholar who “devoted all his time, his money, and his exceptional energy and enthusiasm, to the study of arts and monuments which are fast disappearing. He tramped all over Bengal, both West and East, taking notes and photographs; his knowledge of the countryside was famous. A self-taught photographer, he spared no pains to take the perfect shot; and he leaves well over ten thousand colour slides and as many black and white photographs of high professional quality…..His greatest specialities were Bengali temple architecture and terra-cotta sculpture, the latter a lost skill of whose monuments little is known to the wider world; he also studied and collected Bengali scroll paintings. He explored many other parts of India too, and recorded even Gupta temples previously unknown.”
‘And a little more, taken from a website:
“David McCutchion (1930-1972), English-born scholar, Indophile and early critic of Raja Rao, was an authentic pioneer: in his short lifetime…made a major contribution to the study of Bengali temples…one of the first scholars to write on the now much commented subject of Indian Writing in English….Born in Coventry, David attended that city’s King Henry VIII Grammar School. He made it to Cambridge University the hard way, on intellectual merit alone. He read Modern Languages (French and German) at Jesus College. After graduating in 1953, he taught English for two years in southern France. He went to India in 1957. He worked there first as an English teacher…and later, as Professor and then Reader in Comparative Literature at Jadavpur University, Calcutta…. David’s ground-breaking study of Bengali brick temples, The Temples of Bankura District, was published by Writers Workshop in 1972.”
And Hugh goes on:
‘ David McCutchion lived through the war made by West Pakistan (now Pakistan) on East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, in 1970-71, a war in which Muslim fanatics in East Pakistan, locally called razakars, joined forces with the raping and murdering army of West Pakistan, accepting the argument that what was good for Pakistan – that is, staying one country – was necessarily good for Islam, and what was good for Islam was all that mattered.
‘Here is how, in a letter from England to a friend, McCutchion described the behavior of Pakistan:
“…We are raising funds {for those in what was then East Pakistan being murdered by the army of West Pakistan and its local, fervently Muslim East Pakistani collaborators], and hope to see the Minister of Overseas Development.
‘What do I think of it all? Appalling…Pakistan should never have existed – it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years. What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet? Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”
One More Time:
“What do I think of it all? Appalling…Pakistan should never have existed — it has cost more lives than the whole of the British Empire in 200 years.
“What should I think of a culture that burns down the British Council library in Lahore because an English publisher printed a picture of Mahomet?
“Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan.”
Print out that last bit, and put it on your refrigerator, under the title: Pakistan.”
Posted by: Hugh at July 27, 2007 2:18 PM
For the third time, now: “Fanaticism plus Machiavellianism plus brutality equals Islamic Pakistan”.
David McCutchion defines “Machiavellianism” as one of the characteristics of Islamic Pakistan.
Forty-plus years later, along comes a President of the United States with the clarity of mind required to see and say exactly the same. Trump didn’t say ‘Machiavellianism’ but, rather, “lies and decit”. But he and McCutchion both are hitting the nail on the head. Because Islamic Pakistan is steeped in, saturated with, Islamic deceit, Islamic nonsense-and-lies.
They are, of course, howling and screeching and throwing hissy fits, and all the dhimmis around the world in politics and media are shocked! shocked! at the President’s being so terribly mean to.. to whom? to poor little Islamic Pakistan, so sweet and gentle and innocent, Pakistan, where Christian girls and HIndu girls are kidnapped by the hundreds every year and raped and forcibly Islamised while the Paki judiciary, police and government deliberately turn a blind eye and do diddly-squat to assist the frantic parents of the girls and never, never, never lift a finger to rescue the girls or to punish the rapist-kidnappers.. Islamic Pakistan that sat by and smirked when a well-equipped team of jihad ghazi raiders issuing from Pakistani territory committed a major act of war on Indian soil in Mumbai in 2008, smashing, burning, mass-murdering unarmed civilians.
The idea of cutting off ‘aid’ to Pakistan is not unique to Trump, either. The British Pakistani Christian Association have been trying to get the UK government to do the same, as a way of imposing *consequences* on Pakistan’s gross and institutionalised near-genocidal violations of the human rights of non-Islamic minorities, notably the Christians, but not only Christians.
Pakistan more than qualifies to be treated – by the civilised non-Islamic countries – exactly like North Korea. Cut off. Shunned. Sanctions imposed. And so do pretty nearly all other majority-Islamic OIC countries.
dumbledoresarmy says
Pursuant to my posting above.
Besides contacting the President to express your support for his truth-telling – his brutally factual description of Islamic Pakistan – you must also contact your congressperson and senator, and state that you are in agreement with the President, that Pakistan *is* lying, deceitful, treacherous, abusive, that all ‘aid’ spent on Pakistan has been a colossal waste, that the country is also characterised by gross and ongoing violations of the human rights of non-Islamic indigenous minorities, and that ‘aid’ to that ghastly country – and to Afghanistan! – should cease, forthwith. And that no Pakistani-passport-holding person – UNLESS proven to be a member of the aforesaid brutally-abused non-Islamic minority groups – should be admitted into the USA henceforward, period. Cut them off. They’re not quite as awful as North Korea; but they’re very awful, utterly untrustworthy, a false ‘friend’, and they richly require to be *treated* like North Korea.
We in allied countries such as Australia and Canada and the UK should also communicate with *our* governments and ask that they, also, cut – or entirely cease – the flow of ‘aid’ to the government of Pakistan. Impose that cessation as punishment for Pakistan’s gross and ongoing human rights abuses, notably the abuses inflicted on non-Islamic minorities.
Personally, speaking as an Aussie, *I* think that it’s high time that all commonwealth-member non-Islamic cricket-playing countries imposed a *cricket* boycott on Pakistan. Once, there was a sports boycott, including cricket boycott, of South Africa. South Africa was bad but Pakistan is orders of magnitude worse. It *should* be boycotted. Our cricket teams should refuse to tour there; and the Pakistanis should NOT be permitted to visit our countries to play there. The West Indies, India, Australia, UK, should all say – “We will not play cricket with Pakistan, in Pakistan, and we will not allow Pakistani teams to play on our soil”. Cut them off! Shun them. Impose *consequences* on Pakistan.
Me, I don’t buy their cheap sh*t. If I want a cheap cotton towel, I’ll buy it from India, rather than from Pakistan. If I want rice, I’ll buy it from Thailand, not from Pakistan.
Sharyati says
An in interesting idea w.r.to the cricket ban DDA. As an Indian it resonates with me. We have tried it once and banned the Pakistan team from playing on our soil or tried to prevent its players from participating in the IPL. But the stupid ICC keeps organizing tours by other nations to Pak and chides India for being the bullying big brother!!
dumbledoresarmy says
Sharyati – greetings.
Re a cricket ban: I think all those of us in the various relevant countries who think a cricket boycott targeting Pakistan would be appropriate, have got to just keep on pressuring our governments and the ICC. Never let up. Keep on reminding them of Pakistan’s horrible human rights abuses, which are *worse* than the worst that was perpetrated by South Africa. If we were all to keep on pressing for a boycott – and if key figures in the national sporting teams in India, Australia, WEst Indies, etc, could be made fully aware of the ubiquity and nastiness of Pakistani human rights abuses, notably the industrial-scale kidnapping, rape and forced conversion of minority Hindu and Christian girls often underaged, even kidnapped from their family homes – then eventually we might get through.
Sharyati says
Scholarly post DDA!!!
prabh108 says
Pakistania is full of caste Hindus and pathans pretending to be Moslem. These peoples are not arab.
Ignore these fools and just rescue trapped girls with use of finest commandos.
Ditto for Shoddi Arabia.
Supposedly pakshitstan was to be an Islamic melting pot – the horror!
If only Pakistanians could accept they are squatting upon sacred soil and unwanted. The only hope is International Ghar Wapsi.
The peaceful solution is usually always best. Tragically Ahimsa only works with fellow practitioners of Ahimsa.
DUO to replace uno – Dharmic Unity Organization. Jain, Vedic-hindu, Zarathustrans, followers of Gautam Buddh and Baba Nanak as well as practitioners of traditional Germanic folk religions must unite.
Warning: Beware the 100 million jihadists.
Let’s make war history: Man is Divine. Woman is Shakti. Automatic protection of non-human animals, children, girls-women and the elderly. Body is designed for pleasure. Mind is designed for happiness. And Atman (‘soul’) is designed for eternal everlasting enduring ever-increasing Bliss.. Down with Malthusian economics.
Note: Madame Blavatsky has written that ‘primitive’ peoples cannot incur karma – whatever, now the latest wisdom from India is that “The whole world is one family”
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam.
Right is Might.
Aum Kleem Aum
Sharyati says
“now the latest wisdom from India is that “The whole world is one family”
Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam.”
Prabh i not sure whether you mean this in a pejorative sense. But i am not sure. In case you are not and also for the benefit of anybody here, the term “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam” -“The whole world is one family” is used in the Mahabharata by a Jackal to entice a bird to accept it as a friend so that it could gain access to the birds nest for easy eggs and meat. At the risk of occupying space here, the full Sanskrit shloka as in the Mahabharata is
“Ayam nijah paroveti ganana laghuchetasam, udaracharitanantu vasudhaiva kutumbakam.”
“The mean minded calculate that ‘He is my person’ ‘He is a foreigner when doing acts of charity’. But for the broadminded the world is a single family”
This shloka has been put into the Jackals mouth by Vyasa the author. In a way the Mahabharata warns us of such “Taqiyya” being used by enemies and to be careful of flowery words. But naive people, including ex-president of the US, Obama quote the verse while addressing the Indian parliament and have taken the literal meaning. Also our minority pandering pseudo sickular politicians like for example Sonia Gandhi quote this verse as if she knows every damned thing about this. For being in India for close to 50 years now, she cannot speak one simple sentence extempore, in one Indian language without a script. In the present context, this can be used as a whistle blower for Taqiyya.
Good if you already know it. If not thought i will share the correct meaning here.
Eric jones says
We should cut off aid to Pakistan and restrict immigration from Pakistan.
The USA should be careful not to get caught in the middle of a shooting war between India and Pakistan; both have tactical nuclear weapons. They have been feuding with each since Partition in 1947. Playing these two countries against each other may have unintended consequences.
Eric
dumbledoresarmy says
You wrote “they have been feuding with each other”.
And no-one is ‘playing these two countries against each other”.
What is happening is that Muslims – not only those in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but in the global Ummah – dream of reconquering and once again subjugating and enslaving and pillaging *all* of India which, from the 8th to the 18th century, they first invaded and then occupied, sacked, and pillaged, mass-murdering scores of millions of Hindus and Buddhists, and enslaving millions more, and then ruled with savage cruelty. Read Mark Durie’s “The Third choice”, on the nature and goals of the horrible Dhimma system that Islam forces upon subjugated indigenous infidel populations, and know what was forced upon HIndus and other non-Islamic people within India… for ghastly centuries of rape, robbery, extortion, and episodes of mass-murder. Pakistan’s war on mostly-Hindu non-Islamic India is part of the global Jihad that is intended to force *all* remaining non-Islamic people on earth underneath the iron yoke of Muslim despotism and the inhuman cruelty of the sharia.
The bad behaviour of the Muslim fifth column inside India – it is a great pity that the separation of populations at Partition was not complete – is a jihad waged from within, probably assisted and encouraged by the jihad waged from *without*. Muslim Pakistan attacks Hindu India; **India, very rightly, defends itself**.
The place of fair-minded and clear-headed Islamosavvy Infidel nations is with India… against the Jihad.
Whenever an infidel nation is attacked by Muslims, whether from within and/ or without, the sensible thing for non-Muslim nations to do, is to *support and assist* that non-Muslim nation that is thus under attack.
dumbledoresarmy says
Correction.
For
‘You wrote “they have been feuding with each other”.
And no-one is ‘playing these two countries against each other”.;
I should have written:
‘You wrote “they have been feuding with each other”.
WRONG. Islamic Pakistan is attacking India, India is defending itself. *Pakistan* is and always has been the aggressor.
Then you spoke of ‘playing these two countries against each other”.
WRONG. No-one is doing that. To repeat: Pakistan, without any need for anyone’s encouragement except that of the jihad doctrine of Islam and the egging-on of fellow members of the ummah or allah gang or mohammedan mob, is attacking India and would do so whether America or any other infidel nation did or did not do anything at all.”
Sharyati says
Yes DDA you are spot on