Many years ago, Charles De Gaulle was addressing a political rally when an enthusiast in the crowd shouted out “Mort aux cons!,” a term first used by the French military in addressing the enemy, and which means “Death to the idiots” or “Death to the dopes.” De Gaulle turned slowly to where the shout had come from and famously replied “Vaste programme, monsieur,” which means “that, sir, is a very tall order.”
Emanuel Macron, who is now proposing to promote “national cohesion” and crush Islamic “fundamentalism” by restructuring Islam in France, deserves the same response: “Vaste programme, monsieur.”
Macron, who has hitherto exhibited little concern about Islam, or about the growing presence of Muslims in France, now appears to have recognized that there is indeed a problem. He has decided that Islam in France needs to be reformed — restructured — in order to “fight fundamentalism.” On February 11, in an interview with the Journal du Dimanche, Macron said that in order to “lay the groundwork for the entire reorganization of Islam in France,” a new plan, which is being coordinated by the Interior Ministry, will be announced within the next six months: “we are working on the structuring of Islam in France and also on how to explain it,” Macron said. “My goal is to rediscover what lies at the heart of secularism — the possibility of being able to believe as well as not to believe — in order to preserve national cohesion and the possibility of having free religious conscience.” “Preserve national cohesion”? For many observers, that “cohesion” is already gone. He ought more accurately — if also more disturbingly — have spoken of the need to “regain national cohesion.”
He sees three main areas that require the government’s attention.
First, given the plethora of Islamic institutions in France, with 2,500 mosques, thousands of imams representing different sects, different levels of cooperation by Muslims, both clerics and believers, with the French state, and different degrees of integration into French society, who shall speak for Muslims in France? Macron has suggested the creation of the position of Grand Imam, based on the model of the Grand Rabbi, who speaks for French Jews. But the problem remains: who will decide who should be chosen as “Grand Imam”? Will it be the French government? Will it be the current heads of existing Muslim organizations, that vary considerably in their ideology as in their size and significance, in solemn conclave assembled? Vaste programme, monsieur.
Macron’s plan for now is to keep, but to reform, the French Council of the Muslim Faith (Conseil français du culte musulman, CFCM), which was established in 2003 and now serves as the interlocutor between Muslims and the state in the regulation of Islam in France. The CFCM has been criticized for being ineffective, with a rotating presidency that results in constantly changing policies, and for allowing interference by foreign countries — Algeria, Morocco and Turkey have been especially aggressive — that naturally promote their own interests among French Muslims. These countries encourage Muslims in France to retain close ties with their countries of origin (such as Algeria, Morocco, and Turkey) rather than promoting integration into French society.
Second, who should pay for the mosques, the imams, the madrasas and other Muslim institutions in France? If foreign Muslims are permitted to continue to do so — hundreds of mosques are paid for by countries in the Persian Gulf and North Africa — those they finance will continue to be influenced by the reigning Islamic ideology of the financing countries. The biggest financier is Saudi Arabia, that in France could continue to spread its ferocious Wahhabi brand of Islam, on which it has spent nearly $100 billion around the world — the classic “fundamentalism” that Macron now deplores. The danger from foreign financing involves more than the promotion of a particular brand of Islam. A foreign Muslim government can maintain unacceptable control over “its” Muslims in France, by financing certain mosques, madrasas, and clerics. It’s not hard to imagine Erdogan, who considers that his government has a right to meddle with Turks everywhere in Europe (as we saw from the electioneering by Erdogan’s men among Turks in Germany and the Netherlands), financing mosques attended by Turkish immigrants in France. Think of what that could mean for their political allegiance, which might well be given not to France, the state they live in, but to the one they, or their parents, came from, that is, Turkey, and that continues to finance “Turkish” mosques in France and thereby to control the most important part of the Turkish immigrants’ identity — the religion of Islam.
The “Law on the Separation of the Churches and State” of 1905 established state secularism in France, and among other provisions, banned government funding of religious groups in France. Is Macron prepared to try to repeal that venerable law? Is he prepared to abandon laïcité, which is a core concept in the French constitution, Article 1 of which formally states that France is a secular republic (“La France est une République indivisible, laïque, démocratique et sociale”)? How does he think French non-Muslim taxpayers would react to the news that they are to be funding one religion with their taxes, that is, Islam and only Islam? Why should Muslims in France not pay their own way, and fund without either foreign or French government help, their mosques and madrasas, and pay their clerics themselves, just as happens with Christians and Jews and every other religious group (Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs) in France?
Macron is said to be considering a “Halal Tax,” that is, a sales tax on halal products, which would help fund the 2,500 mosques in France and their imams. It’s an excellent idea, narrowly tailored, to tax only observant Muslims to support Islam. It remains to be seen if he has the political will to ensure its passage. It’s already been denounced by Muslims in France, who apparently think it unfair to make them pay for their mosques, madrasas, imams, although exactly why it is unfair has not been made clear.
Third, Macron believes the French need to exercise more oversight over the training of imams. At the moment, there is no effective oversight. Several hundred imams in France are civil servants whose salaries are paid by foreign governments. Interior Minister Gérard Collomb has said the French government “should intervene” in the training of imams so that they are “imams of the French Republic,” not “imams of foreign countries.” What in practice does this mean? Will the French government end the payment of imams’ salaries by foreign governments, and insist that Muslims pay their own imams?
What kind of training would the French government require of imams in France? Would they be told they should be emphasizing certain verses, such as 2:256 (‘There is no compulsion in religion’”) and 5:32 (the abridged, misleading version) or reinterpreting other, more disturbing verses, that is, to treat the many commands to wage Jihad as descriptive, applicable to an enemy at a particular time and place rather than prescriptive, which would mean that the command to wage Jihad would apply everywhere, for all time? Will French officials decide what Qur’an verses should be omitted entirely from the education of imams, such as, for example, that which commands them “not to take Jews and Christians as friends” (5:51) or that which describes non-Muslims as “the most vile of creatures”(98:6)? Who will decide what hadith stories are to be discussed, and which omitted or treated as of doubtful authenticity? Will those imams who are now working, and who are deemed worrisome, but not dangerous enough to be banned, or to have their mosques shut down, be subject to re-education by the French state? How exactly would all this work? Who will educate the imams, and how will the French state monitor both the classes now made mandatory for aspiring Muslim clerics, and also monitor the sermons nationwide during Friday prayers? Will those sermons be filmed for review by French officials in the Ministry of the Interior, as the best way to ensure that the imams do not, in their khutbas, cross a line into “extremism”? Vaste programme, monsieur.
Even though Macron spoke in general terms during his February 11 interview, it was enough to infuriate Muslims in France:
“Everyone must stick to their role,” Ahmet Ogres, a Frenchman of Turkish descent and the current president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), told Reuters.
“The Muslim faith is a religion and, as such, takes care of its own household affairs. The last thing you want is the state to act as guardian,” said Ogras.
What gives Ahmet Ogras the right to tell the French state to butt out? Or to “rebuke” Macron? On what grounds does Ahmet Ogras presume to have such a right? Being admitted to live in France, to become a French citizen, to enjoy its advanced civilization, is not a right, but a privilege. It has constantly to be earned, especially by the adherents of a faith that has been at war with the West for 1400 years.
And here’s a very partial list for Ahmet Ogras, of what gives President Macron the right to interfere with Islam, and Muslims, in France:
Charlie-Hebdo offices, Paris
Hyper-Cacher grocery, Paris
Bataclan nightclub, Paris
Le Petit Cambodge, Paris
Ozar Hatorah School,Toulouse
Air Products factory, Grenoble
Church of Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray.
Promenade des Anglais, Nice
Montauban, Magnanville, Nantes, Dijon, Joue-les-Tours, and many more.
That’s enough. That’s more than enough.
As De Gaulle said: “Vaste programme, monsieur.”
CogitoErgoSum says
Je suis harbi!
CRUSADER says
Mais non un traitre !
Mon Dieu!
+++++++++
DEUS VULT
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Richard says
WHAT THE (literally) HELL???!!! This may be the most amazing article you have ever published. And that is saying a lot. “Macron has suggested the creation of the position of Grand Imam, based on the model of the Grand Rabbi, who speaks for French Jews.” The Muslims are really going to love that! It would be like ordering Adolph Hitler to follow the Talmud. But it’s worse. There are so many different sects of Islam which do not agree with one another, including the Sunni and Shiites, who have been slaughtering one another since the death of Mohammed (if he ever lived). But laying all that aside, this French Muslim version of the Chinese Catholic Church would rightly bring on an uprising. Macaroni Brain thinks he can tell Muslims what to believe and what to preach. We have seen this in the rapidly shrinking Novus Ordo Catholic Church which goes out of its way to avoid offending anyone. I recall sitting in Wheeling Cathedral and hearing a purported Scripture reading from an Epistle where St. Paul denounces adultery three times. Two of those denunciations were censored out entirely and the third changed the word “adultery” to “sin”. Does anyone in their right mind think they can get the Muslims to accept that with the Quar’an? To the contrary, it would be the cause of major rioting, at the very least. It took the Reign of Terror to bring the peaceful French Catholic Church to heel. With the Muslims, the reign of terror would be on the other foot. Macaroni for dinner, anyone? Well, no. He isn’t halal meat.
Johnny Cuyana says
Richard, in you pointing out a few potential practical but pesky issues, I agree with your interesting comment. Very good … and to which I will respond by using the same response which I was planning to give to the author above [H. Fitzgerald]:
Macron’s “vaste programme” is my impression of what one would expect from a pro-BIG-GOVT “centralized command and control” apparatchik: create a “one size fits all” bureau, put some iman at the helm and ply him to force your [Macron] POLITICAL solution on the entire country. Oui, vaste programme!
IOW: it is a worst case scenario to use a self-serving political solution to address a French “values” issue, i.e., whatever remains of French values.
Macron, good luck with:
[a] finding an iman who will be willing to play ball with you … and, at the same time, be acceptable to “mohammed in the street”;
[b] finding an imam who can bring to the table, let alone build any meaningful consensus amongst, the disparate tribal ideologies of these cultists; and,
[c] finding any “moderate” imam who will want to, for pure altruistic reasons of French national unity, put himself into that hornet’s nest! [Classic “fool’s errand” stuff, there; recognized apparently by everyone but you.]
Macron, you may find some imam, but, if he is going to be acceptable to any significant portion of that death cult community, he is NOT going to be willing to do things your way … or, more importantly, the French way!
So, in the end, just like any self-serving post-modern Europhile, by being “too clever by half”, for the sake of placating the invading barbarians, Macron desires a compromise political outcome; where, instead, with his half-baked approach — all together, now — he will get NEITHER: he will not get his wished-for political compromise and, definitely, he will NOT placate the barbarians.
In the meantime, the general solution should be obvious to anyone with a freedom-loving open mind: Macron must hold fast to the established French national values, administer the law — as based on these values — fairly and equally to one and all and toss the book at all of those who break this law; otherwise, by the will of the people, adapt and adjust accordingly the French values system; but, do not, any further, sacrifice it for your craven political desires.
I wish them well, but, on this one, my money will not be on Macron’s scheme.
Richard says
Bravo Mr. Cuyana! You detail the problems beautifully, as well as the solution. Napoleon was no democrat. He is revered by the French today for his dictatorial government because it brought unity to the nation after the Reign of Terror which one might say the French are enduring now from their Islamic guests. In this regard, I regret to say you summed it up perfectly in mentioning Macron’s “craven political desires.” I assume French Muslims vote.
Charlie says
Maybe Macron wants an uprising. He is intending to bring the inevitable conflict while the French still have power.
StellaSaidSo says
No, Ned, ‘State-licenced mosques’ does not mean the State ‘determining beliefs’. It means gov’t oversight. In order to continue operating, mosques would be required to meet certain standards – like not preaching hatred or promoting jihad, for example.
Tony Holland says
I agree,his Grand plan can never ever be implemented,but, it might just prove the catalyst needed to bring this dangerous situation to a head whilst the odds are still with the Republic,it is totally unacceptable that these islamic cultists are dictating events in many parts of the country,unfortunately the French chose Macron,or rather he was chosen for them by Brussels and corporate France,whereas if they had given the nod to the FN then there would be no ambiguity concerning the future of the muslim population,THE single most important and dangerous issue facing the country and the continent
StellaSaidSo says
@ Tony Holland
‘…Macron…was chosen by Brussels…whereas if they had given the nod to the FN there would be no ambiguity concerning the future of the Muslim population, the single most important issue…’
Exactly. Le Pen understands the nature and scale of the threat, and the need for decisive action. But Brussels doesn’t want decisive action. It wants more Muslims. Macron’s challenge now is to convince the French people that he is struggling manfully to do something about le problem Islamique, while at the same time maintaining the level of functional ineffectiveness that his handlers require.
gravenimage says
Charlie, I think Macron is jsut beginning to recognize that Islam is actually a threat to France. That does not mean his program has a chance of working, though.
J D S says
I would hope that Macron could reorganize Islam but as stated there is too many differences in Islam and Muslims with different degrees of sanity and anger….too much so as to probably never reorganize it when the Muslim populations have outgrown a countries ability to control it.
The time to do something about the Muslims militant religion would have been the day they entered the country….to have an understanding that if they did not co exist with other religions ons and assimilate they would be automatically deported or jailed.
Ren says
The bright future of the French people is in their hands to seize. Be wise. The control of islam on French territory is paramount.
CogitoErgoSum says
The defeat, the humiliation and the expulsion of Islam from French territory is what should be paramount …… because that is what they want to do to the French “infidels” whom they see as “vile creatures.”
Carol (the 1st) says
Ahmet Ogras: ““The Muslim faith is a religion and, as such, takes care of its own household affairs. The last thing you want is the state to act as guardian…”
The Muslim faith is a low IQ pitbull that deserves to NOT be tethered on a leash (at everyone’s expense) but immediately locked up in the nearest of its own breeding grounds. Unfortunately Saudi Arabia is doing it’s best to keep you out and putting you to work killing, bulls***ting and dying yourselves (expendable idiots) in order to steal better digs for itself it would seem. Now how’s that for a ‘religion’ taking care of its own affairs!
Carol (the 1st) says
And if you could be contained in SA but breed yourselves into a shortage of space it would be only fair if any who choose to infringe upon other lands and cultures (along with their parents if possible) be shot on sight.
The motto should be: Clean your own house pronto or face the consequences.
gravenimage says
Islam does not belong in France–or anywhere else in the free West.
LB says
Meh. Anyone with who’s recently been in any of France’s big cities or lived there for a longer period of time (and has an ounce of brain) can tell you that slowly introducing some lame laws and taxes against muslims (burqa ban, halal tax, etc…) or wasting tons of money trying to “reform” islam (a feat not possible since its inception) will do absolutely nothing to stem their rapidly inflating numbers.
Unless Macaroni here realizes and publicly admits that all his recently discovered problems come from islam itself and takes a firm right-wing attitude against it (closing borders, monitoring mosques and non-gov muslim orgs, deportations, harsher criminal sentences, citizenship retractions, etc…), absolutely NOTHING will change. But being a leftist multiculti utopia pusher that he is, I don’t see that happening.
Richard says
Absolutely right!!
eduardo odraude says
The French, in particular the left of center, are perhaps realizing they have made a dangerous mess of things with Islamic immigration and only now are haplessly beginning to try to come to terms with the problem. So their first “solutions” will probably be based in significant part on uninformed assumptions about Islam. Like: “Islam is not really different from the other major religions.” “The problem is fundamentalism in general, not just Islamic fundamentalism.” “It’s not Islam, the problem is Islamism.” Etc. etc.
Carol (the 1st) says
Islam is a time-wasting “spiritual” crock and its brand of “fundamentalism” is extremely and transparently evil, manipulative, and coercive. The problem is ISLAM and the impoverished creatures who blindly or willfully accept it, support it, and fancy there’s anything worth saving.
Terry Gain says
I completely agree.
gravenimage says
Yes–as long as Muslims continue to flood into France things will only get worse there.
Ed Lee says
All this talk about “interpreting” the Qur’an is wasted breath. Sura 3 verse 7 forbids human beings from any such activity.
StellaSaidSo says
‘The last thing you want is for the state to act as guardian’ said the Muslim, Ogras.
Indeed it is, Monsieur Ogras: the last thing YOU want is government eyes on your criminal enterprise.
mortimer says
The French government will not solve the Islamic problem until they succeed in DEBUNKING Islam through of « Vaste programme » of deprogramming Muslims right out of Islam through modern training materials available everywhere in French, Arabic and other common languages of Muslims.
Here is an example: “THE CREATION OF MOHAMMED”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpZlaSVsCDw&t=32s
CogitoErgoSum says
I think the mysterious ancient city of Petra is somehow linked to Islam also but all memory of it has been forgotten …. or was wiped away shortly after Muhammad’s death for the political purpose of uniting all of Arabia.
Carol (the 1st) says
“uniting” – pretty words can be deceiving, can’t they?
Benedict says
mortimer: Deprogramming Muslims, as you suggest, is equivalent to casting out devils by Beelzebub and the final condition of a Muslim, who has such a procedure imposed on him, will be worse than the first.
Raja says
Mortimer, That would the ideal way(perhaps the only way) to deal with Islam.. Jay Boo is seeing only the difficult or the impossible part. With God everything is possible. It has happened in the past with civilian govts. The only difference here is that the enemy has sneaked into the ranks of the “army”/demographics…
Carol (the 1st) says
@ Mortimer…Google sez “the short answer as to whether psychology is ART OR SCIENCE is ‘YES'” (unfortunately for the world, Islam is into baby blocks and not into the acceptance of free-form art). And do you think you can realistically ensnare muslims and in good time force a new psyche onto them?
It’s much like the question “Is the true Islam represented by Mecca or Medina?” The answer is “both” per Dr. Bill Warner and this accounts for the world’s continual cognitive dissonance and its ineffectiveness in dealing with the wolf at the door.
gravenimage says
Yes, Jay Boo is seeing the impossble part. I’m seeing the impossible part, as well.
After all, it is also impossible that Muslims will be tamed if we continue to invite them in and give them endless enticing benefits. I don’t think e should continue to do this, either.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, you keep flogging the idea that all Muslims are perfectly reasonable fellows and all they need is to be shown that Islam is violent and not logically consistent and everyone will leave islam.
But most Muslims already know their creed is violent, and many regularly act on it–if they did not, we would have no problem with Jihad terrorism.
And Muslims are taught to despise reason, and told not to question Islam. They are also taught never to listen to the filthy Infidels.
All reasons that “deprogramming” has never worked with Muslims.
When I asked you to show where even a single Muslim has been deprogrammed, you just pointed to Muslims apostates. Of course, some brave and principled people have left Islam–but it has never once been because they were “deprogrammed” by Kuffar.
Hari Singh says
Many states in Europe have state sponsored religion. Islam should be used to it. Ataturk saw the danger of Islam and saw traditional Islam had no place in a modern state. Perhaps his programme could be the draft for Frances program. Further immigration,if Europe needs it should not be Muslims. There are plenty of secular Asians and South Americans what to speak of millions of Afrikaner Boers who want to return from violent anti white racist South Africa. Perhaps an exchange can be organized.
eduardo odraude says
Hari Singh,
Immigrants do not need to be secular. They can also be Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, etc., — just so long as they are not Muslim. There should be a moratorium on Muslim immigration to non-Muslim nations until a majority of Muslim countries permit real freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Until then, containment is in order, much as the Soviet Empire once was contained.
Terry Gain says
Excellent. Islam won’t reform for doctrinal reasons. Given the Dhimmified and very generous treatment of Muslims by western nations Islam has no incentive to reform. Islam is winning. Islam can be defeated without a massive amount of bloodshed but only if we exclude it and have the courage to speak truthfully about its essentially evil essence.
gravenimage says
Agree on all point, Eduardo.
Buraq says
Macron is, of course, a typo. It’s Micron – referring to the size of his brain – one thousandth of a millimeter. Clown!
Emilie Green says
“[Macron] has decided that Islam in France needs to be reformed — restructured — in order to ‘fight fundamentalism.’”
Christendom underwent its reformation because it had so deviated from its core text that it was only faintly recognizable to the intent. Not so with Islam. Say what you will about Islam, one things stands out – its constancy. An 8th C. Muslim would be right at home living in any Muslim country, not to mention the countless no-go zones throughout Europe.
Meaning, there’s no need for an Islamic reformation since it’s never deviated from the original.
And there’s no call coming from its clerics for any changes. No Martin bin Luther will be showing up any time soon. But the jeune Macron believes that he, a non-Muslim and therefore someone way outside of the cult, can promote change?
CogitoErgoSum says
I think there was a “reformation” of Islam that took place when Muhammad left Mecca for Medina …. it’s just that the Quran has been pieced together out of chronological order so it’s difficult to see. The harsher later verses abrogate the earlier less violent verses …. but it takes time and study to realize this “reformation.” Even some of the Muslims wish not to see it and remain “unreformed.”
Indiana Tom says
Simple Koran by Bill Warner solves your problem.
The standard Koran is arranged by length of chapter. The longest chapter is at the beginning and the shortest chapters are at the end. This makes it confusing and hard to understand. Now you can read and understand A Simple Koran. The words of the Koran are woven back into the historical life of Mohammed. In actual fact, the Koran did unfold over the course of Mohammed’s life.
A Simple Koran recreates the historical order of the Koran of Mohammed’s day. The first chapters start with Mohammed’s first recitations and the last chapters are those he recited before he died. Mohammed’s life gives the Koran clarity and meaning. It will change the way you see the world’s events.
A scientific method of ordering, sorting and categorizing the Koran makes it easy to read. It is written in modern English, with foreign words defined.
https://www.politicalislam.com/product/a-simple-koran/
Terry Gain says
ISIS is Islam’s reformation. Leftists are too dishonest to acknowledge that if life is sacred and freedom is a human right then the oppressor and murderer Mohammed was an evil man and Islam is evil.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agreed Terry, 100%.
Islam had been languishing for many years, becoming less and less true to itself, but with the rise of the Kingdom via oil money funded Salafism and others, it is returning to the militant state it was designed to be in.
Michael Copeland says
Who will bell the cat?
Benedict says
“He has decided that Islam in France needs to be reformed — restructured — in order to “fight fundamentalism.” –
Good idea, because in this process the fundamentals of Islam will be brought to light. But I don’t think Muslims will permit it because it won’t be a pretty sight and thereby Muslims themselves indict.
Carol (the 1st) says
Cries of “islamic reform, reform!” brewed up a storm,
As it shan’t be a pretty sight
If fundamentals are brought to light,
And thereby Muslims themselves indict.
Indiana Tom says
It was interesting that Nonie Darwish points out that Islam is actually controlled by the various governments in the middle east. The state funds and controls the mosques, Imams, Madrassas, etcetera. The Imams have to follow the party line or else.
https://www.amazon.com/Now-They-Call-Infidel-Renounced/dp/1595230440
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, this is correct, Indiana Tom. Saudi Arabia is the main funder of mosques in the West, controlling approx. 80%. All of which promote Wahhabism, the most hard-line, literalist form of Islam, and the main source of inspiration for Islamic terrorism.
Indiana Tom says
Actually, not all Mosques in the middle east are controlled by Wahhabism. Many are controlled by the governments which may or may not be radical.
Many muslims come to the West so they can attend Saudi Wahhabism mosques and be even more radical than what they were back in their own country.
This feature is also in Nonie’s book as well.
StellaSaidSo says
It is interesting that there are probably more ‘radical’ mosques in the West than there are in the ME. We should never have allowed this to happen. The Wahhabis positioned themselves so that they appeared to be ‘mainstream’, and Western gov’ts took them at their word. Melanie Phillips talks about this in LONDONISTAN.
Nonie Darwish is a brilliant and brave lady, like Ayaan, and Anni Cyrus. Real heroes.
gravenimage says
Yes–brave Muslim apostates.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Saoudî Arabia and even Iran are broke https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-economy-bankruptcy/saudi-arabia-to-implement-bankruptcy-law-in-early-2018-al-arabiya-idUSKCN1BX1AR. The “Cold War” between Saoudi Arabia and Iran and terrorism cost the two countries a fortune.
Kay says
Taking control of foreign support for “religious” entities, educational institutions and political candidates seems a sensible and necessary first step . . . for all the western democracies.
DHazard says
If you take the hatred out of the Quran all you are left with is a very short, badly plagiarized story.
Terry Gain says
Everything good in the Koran was stolen. Or perhaps putting it more generously plagiarized.
gravenimage says
So true, DHazard and Terry.
DHazard says
This Western dream about Islamic reform will always hit a brick wall; the “words” of Allah.
Quran, Chapter 6 (The Cattle?), Verse 115:
Sahih International: And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Pickthall: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
Shakir: And the word of your Lord has been accomplished truly and justly; there is none who can change His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Muhammad Sarwar: (After having revealed the Quran to you) in all truth and justice, your Lord’s Word has been completed. No one can change His Words. He is All-hearing and All-knowing.
Terry Gain says
The All Hearing part is hilarious. Allah is deaf to the suffering he has caused.
DHazard says
And Allah seems to be more of a “Know-it-all” instead of all knowing.
gravenimage says
Right–Islam itself says that Islam never can be changed.
Infidel says
We in India have been trying as they for KINGDOM-COMES times for Muslims to reform… What we have not done to mainstream these savages… BUT THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE LEAST TO REFORM??? Absolute VASTE of TIME…..VASTE VASTE VASTE.. U can even draw blood out of granite rock….but cannot reform a mad muslim..
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes. Why would they want to reform, since the current model is allowing them so much success in gaining power and influence?
Lavéritétriomphera says
Macron continues with the policy of Francois Hollande who said “The country could be spit in two, shoot down the enemy.”.
StellaSaidSo says
I think Hollande realised after Charlie Hebdo that the situation was far worse than he had imagined – and that he personally was not up to the task of finding a solution. Macron doesn’t know much about Islam (few politicians do), but at least he knows he has a problem. He will do exactly what his EU globalist handlers allow him to do – no more, no less.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hollande said exactly : “Nous allons vers la partition … dégommez-les (les extrêmistes islamiques).”. Macron have no choice, he must obey his people.
EU or Angela Merkel will not impose their rules on France.
StellaSaidSo says
The EU imposes its rules on ALL member states. That is why Britain voted to leave the EU, and why so many French people want France to leave the EU. Macron knows that there are constraints on his power, and one of them is called Merkel. Macron is a supporter of the EU ‘project’, and of the globalist agenda.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Bonjour,
Vos commentaires sont toujours justes, but it is very difficult to know what Macron has in mind. I do not like the man, but I think he is a real patriot as MLP.
France and probably Russia are suspicious of Germany. A lot of us think Germany wants to dominate UE.
I have already told you : Macron will not have choice, and if we have to leave EU, we will leave EU as MLP wants it. She wants a rapprochement with Russia and the United States, and I think she is right.
StellaSaidSo says
Merci, LVT. I agree, it is difficult to know precisely what Macron has in mind. But I do not think that he is a true patriot. He believes in the EU, whose goal is the destruction of the nation states of Europe. Macron knows that, given the opportunity, the French people would vote to leave the EU – but he will not defy the EU by supporting such a move.
France is right to be suspicious of Germany – not the German people (they are suffering, perhaps more than the French) but Angela Merkel, who sees Germany as the ‘senior’ power in a future European super-state. I think it was Peter Hitchens who said ‘The EU is the continuation of Germany by other means.’
Lavéritétriomphera says
If you are right we could leave EU. We have often preferred Russia to Germany.
Aardvark says
Easier to just deport the lot.
They will never integrate, and will never be useful French citizens.
So chuck ’em out.
Lavéritétriomphera says
We are not religious and many Muslims in France prefer (as we do) philosophy to religion, they become ex-Muslims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I93nQKAt_4.
StellaSaidSo says
I like the way you think, Aardvark – but they’re not all immigrants. Many are second or third generation. And some do try to be useful French citizens, despite the pressures from their co-religionists.
The problem is very complex, and will become more so if we continue to do nothing. In my view, we are fast approaching the point where we will require all Muslims in Western countries to choose between renouncing the vile ideology of Islam, and becoming a fully integrated member of civilised society – or packing their bags and departing for the Islamic sh*thole of their choice.
Older Canadian says
Stella such a wonderful thought. Just thinking a government saying to islamists “our way or the highway”, gives such a warm feeling.
Stephen Hiller says
You reap what you sow – do not blame the government, blame the ones who elected the government.
StellaSaidSo says
We can’t blame the people for electing traitors if they didn’t know that the candidates were traitors. Tony Blair was not elected on the promise of flooding Britain with third world immigrants. And how many honest, fair elections are there these days? The reason that Hillary Clinton is not POTUS is that not enough dead people voted.
MFritz says
France NEVER managed to integrate the majority of Algerians that came into the country. They ignored them in the banlieues until they were fully radicalised and/or started to riot.
And thanks to Merkel and the globalists MANY MANY more come into the country of the very same mindset.
Soon, France will have the army deployed in the cities 24/7 to guarantee ANY kind of security for the rest of the urban population. Which is impossible.
Even Le Pen cannot fix this issue anymore. She’s at least 20 years too late (the 90s would have been PERFECT to stop radical imams).
In the coming years will see more acts of terrorism, more riots, more creeping sharia, fgm and the continued growth of the parallel society. ON A DAILY BASIS.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, had the problem been tackled 20 years ago, France would not be in dire straits today.
We need to round up the Imams, charge them with sedition, and lock them up. If the faithful get too obstreperous, send in the army. Take back the NO GO zones, street by street. There will be blood. But France would remain France. In another 20 years, a victory would be far less certain, and the cost far higher.
dumbledoresasrmy says
“Take back the NO GO zones, street by street.”
Take back the NO GO zones *mosque by mosque*.
The mosques are the key. So says an ex-Muslim now-Christian, Sam Solomon (nom de plume), who has written two very illuminating books, “The Mosque and Its Role in Society” (that is: in Islamic society) and “Al-Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”.
Incidentally, those books – along with Mark Durie’s “The Third Choice”, a deeply-disturbing discussion of the codified system of Abuse that is the Dhimma – need to be translated into all major European languages as quickly as possible, and circulated. (And then there are a number of non-European languages, too – e.g. HIndi, Thai, Tagalog [Philippines official language’, Hebrew – that could do with translations, so that an informed knowledge of the Muslim agenda and modus operandi can spread out beyond those who have English as their second or third language, out into the general population, too).
*Every* politician who shows any sign at all of recognising Islam as dangerous needs to be sent Sam Solomon’s two books, and preferably Durie’s book as well. Read them yourself first then put bookmarks in them at the most important passages so that the busy recipient can find those passages easily.
StellaSaidSo says
‘The mosques are the key’
Indeed. That is why I said ’round up the imams’ first.
Many politicians in Australia have been sent copies of Mark Durie’s book, along with other titles, plus pages of Koranic extracts, and lists of links. We should continue to provide politicians – and others in positions of influence – with information. We cannot force them to read it, but there are some encouraging signs that not all our efforts are falling on deaf ears.
Raja says
Even 20 years earlier the Muslims rioted in Paris and burnt many vehicles Muslims are always well networked to unite for any supremacist Islamic “cause” When Muslims are more than 5% of total population they come out in the open to fight the kafirs.
ronyvo says
Simply put, he has no idea what so ever about Islam. Or, he is a coward cannot face the truth and deal with it once and for all. I thought he admires pres. Trump. He is a confused ‘leader’.
Ann Marie says
Waste of time, money and energy, Macron.. Islam’s intent is not to conform and acclimate to French culture; Muslims came to change French culture to 7th Century Islam…
Carol (the 1st) says
Macron:
“My goal is to rediscover what lies at the heart of secularism” [in plain English: ‘Please be advised secularism is a dead duck but I’ll try hard to remember or discern what the point was”]
and next:
“— the possibility of being able to believe as well as not to believe — “[in plain English: “I’ll definitely support their malignant belief system and maybe weigh in for you non-believers in order to appear fair and balanced”]
and next:
“– in order to preserve national cohesion and the possibility of having free religious conscience.” [in plain English : “Listen while I tell you that THEY ARE OFFICIALLY PART OF OUR NATIONAL FABRIC (and not just hostile parasites) and their “free” “religious” “conscience” is worthy of preservation – look at the adjectives if you’re in doubt”.
Unspoken: “Give us more time for the common sense old school to die out and thus allow us more time for these donkeys to saturate the country while we politicos line our pockets and kick the can down the road”.
Peter says
Four years ago my Thai brother in law came to visit us in France. Had a visa etc. Locked up at CdeGaulle and scheduled to appear at immigration court within 4 days. The day before (a Sunday)” escorted ” by CRS to the plane. Deported due to Cazeneuve’s promise to deport 8000 visitors that year.
At the time it was my fervent hope that France and the racist French would be well and truly fucked! Guess what…. my dream is coming true. Europe deserves it.
I’m Aussie by the way.
gravenimage says
I’m sorry about your brother-in-law, Peter–I’m sure he would have made a much better Frenchman than these ravening Muslim invaders.
But your desire to see Muslims conquer France out of revenge is like shooting yourself in the foot–you are mistaken if you don’t think a Muslim France would be harmful to the rest of the free world–including Australia.
Raja says
Yeah Jay, That would be a tall order indeed… ha…But very indeed..
Raja says
Correction… Very true indeed..
Jeff says
Macron is giving the Muslims in France exactly what they want. A parallel government which will eventually consume the French government. Macron is busy riding the tiger. Wait until he and the Fr nah government try to get off.
Mad Mac says
The French will have succeeded where Muslims themselves have failed:
The Muslim Dream, a single caliphate uniting various Islamic sects under one caliph.
What could possibly go wrong.
Peter iredale says
Love the thinking. One caliph. One Islam. Erdogan is envious though. The last caliph was Turk, not Gaul.
I see conflict coming.
Gallic Islam…. has a nice ring to it, eh?
Manny says
Spot on.
Carol (the 1st) says
Seems kinda obvious and propitious, n’est ce pas?
Peter iredale says
Brilliant idea. It serves all of Europe as enlightened by setting up a dichotomy between France and Islam. Muslims will refuse this oversight and control. French citizens will see this as refusal to integrate and bolster the truth they have two countries now, not one France.
Pressure builds on Muslims to obey, leading to greater resistance and increased terror. France now has few choices to succeed.
What will France do?
Lavéritétriomphera says
We cannot accept the partition of the country. If France is split in two, it will be war.
gravenimage says
France should *never* cede her territory to the invading Muslim barbarians.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hi,
Never, and Macron knows it. And the crime of blasphemy do not exist in France and Macron Knows it too. France is secular.
Amitiés.
Raja says
Islam can never be tamed or reformed as evidenced by its 1400 year history. Alsi Sina, an ex Muslim has been claiming that for ages.
What is noteworthy about Islam is that it has managed to survive for all these centuries and have its stranglehold over its subjects, especially non Muslims. There have been other more dangerous powers such as Maoism, Stalinism, pol pot etc whose longevity was shortened.
Islam is an evil ideology where every adherent of Islam is encouraged to fight for Islam with the supposed bliss of eternal carnal pleasures. Most devout Islamist believe that they are in constant war with non Muslims and lie for Islam and the impotent allah of Koran all the time
Islam has been defeated many times but now they have sneaked into the ranks and files of most democracies which gives them immunity from “enemy fire”.
Islam must be cleansed as done by the Spaniards earlier. Cohesion of other strategies can destroy Islam, otherwise Islam will always appear to be dangerous. If something is ugly and potentially destructive you only do away with it, there is no other way around it.
Jacqueleen says
Politicians are full of hot air…..The only way to deal with Muslims is to evict and ban them…They are not civilized nor do they belong in a civilized nation. Send them all back to the Middle East to live in tents and caves and let them kill each other AND THEY WILL. The fact that they follow a cult program that calls for death and destruction of anyone who is not a Muslim….is plain and clear…..They are the enemy of humanity with the exception of Muslims. Insane Asylums have mistakenly de-institutionalized mentally ill patients and sent them to live on the streets in card board boxes to starve or freeze to death. THIS IS FALSE COMPASSION. The same false compassion applies to the hot air politicians who think that they can change the mentally ill Muslims into a civilized, integrated, productive citizen of their nation….IT WILL VERY SOON BE A MUSLIM NATION…THEY WILL SEE TO IT. EVICT AND BAN THEM FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY.
Guy de Chalain says
Never mind a “Vaste programme ” just the fact that Macron sees Islam as a “religion” is his first and last mistake.
Islams final goal is to have a Muslim has president of France ,does that sound like a religion ?
LeftisruiningCanada says
Depends how you are defining “Religion” i guess.
gravenimage says
Macron and Muslims in France: “Vaste Programme, Monsieur”
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And that order is getting taller all the time, as Muslims continue to flood into France. Another important article from Hugh Fitzgerald.
Manny says
Islamic integration and sanction within the French government? How far from when Islam takes over the government? This is insanity. This will be the end of France as we know it. What morons.
Carol (the 1st) says
Macron looks like a “complicit” moron.
Matthieu Baudin says
While all the reform ideas are being formulated, the first step in addressing the place of Islam within France should be to enforce the law through prosecution of the most serious breaches that continue virtually unchecked by law enforcement authorities and the court system. First on the list should be FGM (the clitoral castration of girls). Second on the list should be prosecutions of those responsible for calls to violence emanating from the mosques and the closure of those mosques for suitable periods of time. These two items can be addressed immediately since these are social crimes being committed daily that obviously have no place in any conceivable reformed Islamic observance within France or anywhere else in Europe.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“Macron is said to be considering a “Halal Tax,” that is, a sales tax on halal products, which would help fund the 2,500 mosques in France and their imams. It’s an excellent idea, narrowly tailored, to tax only observant Muslims to support Islam. ”
A special tax on halal certified food doesn’t seem a good idea to me, for the following reasons:
*So much food is already halal compliant, that it can be hard to avoid buying it in certain places. Non muslims would have little choice but to buy it, leading to them paying the tax too. Non muslims are also more numerous than muslims, and might end up paying more than muslims.
*Many muslims are on welfare assistance. Any money spent on food by these people is paid for by the non muslim majority through other taxation. If food prices increased due to the tax, welfare would be increased eventually also, making this a round about way of redistributing money to the mosques.
There are probably more and better reasons. In any case, it would be preferable to severe the mosques from any kind of State funding, foreign or domestic. Let them raise money for their places by themselves.
Richard says
Jay Boo: Unfortunately, what you (and I) want Muslims to get rid of are almost the entire basis of Islam.