Hill is right: it is “fundamentally wrong” to use the phrase “Islamist terrorism,” because it is actually “Islamic terrorism,” no steps removed from Islam as such. Can Max Hill refute that assertion with references from the Qur’an and Sunnah? Why, of course not. I’m certain he has never read the Qur’an or Hadith; if he cares to prove me wrong, I’ll be right here, but of course he will take no notice of the writings of an “Islamophobe.”
In other news, meanwhile, Philadelphia Islamic jihad terrorist Edward Archer, who shot a Philadelphia police officer multiple times, explained: “I follow Allah. I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State, and that’s why I did what I did.”
Will Hill rebuke Archer for equating Islam with terrorism? Of course not. Hill, like other brainwashed non-Muslim lemmings, wants non-Muslims to stop equating Islam with terrorism — which is also, incidentally, the agenda of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). When Muslims equate Islam with terrorism, Hill doesn’t say a word, and neither does the OIC.
The underlying agenda, although it is unlikely that a dhimmi fool such as Hill realizes this, is to silence all honest analysis of the motivating ideology behind jihad terror. That will allow the jihad to advance unopposed and unimpeded. For Islamic jihad terrorists worldwide, Max Hill QC is an extremely Useful Idiot, and Britain is, as is obvious, finished.
“Don’t refer to ‘Islamist terrorism’, says watchdog,” by Martin Bentham, Evening Standard, February 1, 2018:
The Government’s terror watchdog has declared that it is “fundamentally wrong” to use the phrase “Islamist terrorism” to describe attacks carried out in Britain and elsewhere.
Max Hill QC said that the word terrorism should not be attached “to any of the world religions” and that the term “Daesh-inspired terrorism” should be used instead.
His comments put him at odds with Prime Minister Theresa May and the Home Secretary Amber Rudd, who have both spoken about the threat posed by “Islamist terrorists”.
The head of MI5, Andrew Parker, also linked Islamism with terrorism when he warned of an “intense UK threat from Islamist extremists”. But in evidence to Parliament’s joint committee on human rights, Mr Hill said that such language was wrong as he responded to a question from Labour MP Karen Buck.
She said that Mr Hill’s recent report on the operation of terrorism legislation had acknowledged that “Daesh and Daesh-inspired terrorism is the greatest threat” but asked him, in light of dangers posed by Irish and far-right terrorism, “whether there is any downside that the current debate does tend to focus largely on Islamic terrorism”.
Mr Hill replied the legal definition of terrorism “mentions religion but mentions no particular religion nor sect within a religion”.
He then overlooked Ms Buck’s reference to “Islamic terrorism” and told her: “You are accurate in using the phrase ‘Daesh-inspired terrorism’ where many other commentators use the words ‘Islamist terrorism’.
“It is fundamentally wrong to attach the word terrorism to any of the world religions. Put that another way round: those who adhere to any of the great religions or none can be terrorists within the definition.”…
SK says
The reason why we do is because Islamists who engage in terrorism explicitly use it as a motive. Prior to 9/11, people attached the word terrorism to motives the person was understood to have.
That is something that a lot of critics of the term miss.
Andy says
How come it is never ISLAM’s fault. Nobody talk about Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsyJkoSa9Fg
Andy says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-iYBt9P6uo
Robin says
The Quran proves that the terrorism is nothing to do with Islam.
The Quran declares that it is a clear book (12:1; 16:89; 27:75; 34:3; 36:12); easy to understand (44:58, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40); explained in detail (6:114); conveyed clearly (5:16, 10:15); with clear ordinances (98:3).
And nowhere does the Quran say “If you aren’t sure what a verse means, just ask an Imam or someone qualified to interpret it, who you can recognise by the official badge they wear etc.”. Any Imam or “scholar” who does claim to do that interpretation would necessarily be putting themselves in place of Allah’s Final Messenger and thus committing a haram sin.
Muslims often claim that Quran 5:32 states the likes of “If anyone killed a person it would be as if he had killed all mankind, and if he saved a life it would be as if he had saved the life of all mankind”.
But in reality it says something quite different. It states that that was a command specifically only to Jews (the Children of Israel): “On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person – unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.”
And nowhere in the thousands of other verses of Allah’s perfect Qur’an is there any clarification that that is also a command to Muslims. On the contrary, only numerous verses which indicate the opposite. Indeed hostility to disbelievers is the predominant theme in the Quran.
Numerous Qur’an verses make clear that Muslims should participate in Jihad fighting. And that that Jihad warfare is not just defensive, but involves capturing women and booty and slaves, and invading countries and communities which are not at the time attacking your own:
“It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made a great slaughter in the land.” [8:67]
“Married women are forbidden to you except the captives your right (sword) hand possesses.” [4:24]
“O Prophet! We have made lawful to you your wives … and those whom your right (sword) hand possesses of the captives of war whom Allah has assigned to you.” [33:50].
“It is not allowed you to take other women henceforth nor that you should change them for other wives even though their beauty pleased you, except for those whom your right hand possesses.” [33:52]
“Allah promises you will capture much booty.” [48:20]
“One-fifth of your spoils of war shall belong to Allah, the Apostle, the Apostle’s kinsfolk, the orphans, the destitute, and the traveler in need.” [8:41]
“And that which Allah gives as spoil unto His messenger from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof [i.e. you did no work to earn it], but Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom he will. Allah is able to do all things.”[59:6]
“The spoils of war taken from the town-dwellers and assigned by Allah to His apostle shall belong to Allah, to the Apostle and his kinsfolk, …..” [59:7]
Other verses make clear that people were reluctant to involve in fighting and that Mohammed/Allah was encouraging them to fight even when they did not see any need for it (and so it was not just fighting to defend themselves):
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [2:216]
“Have you not seen those unto whom it was said: Withhold your hands and establish worship and pay the poor-due? But when fighting was prescribed for them, behold! a party of them fear mankind even as they fear Allah or with greater fear, and they say: Our Lord! why have you ordained fighting for us? If only you would give us respite for a while. I Say: The comfort of this world is scant; the Hereafter will be better for he who wards off evil.” [4:77]
“You shall be called upon to fight a mighty nation, until they surrender (/accept Islam).” [48:16]
And more verses call Muslims to this warfare, not least:
“Whoever fights in the way of Allah, be he slain or victorious, on him we shall bestow a vast reward.” [4:74]
“Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to disbelievers.” [48:29]
“O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you.” [9:123]
“Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.” [8:55]
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of the losers.” [3:85]
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) ….they are the worst of creatures.” [98:6]
“Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!” [9:41]
Desperately strained “counter-narratives”
The Quilliam Foundation’s 132-page “Jihad Trending: A Comprehensive Analysis of Online Extremism and How to Counter it” contains no quotations from the Qur’an to counter those above here. The Henry Jackson Foundation’s 106-page “A Guide to Refuting Jihadism” quotes two verses. The word “peace” in “If they incline to peace…” [8:61], could just as well mean “surrender” instead, given all those other cited verses above, plus the fact that that Surah 8 is titled “The spoils of war”. And “There is no compulsion in religion” [2:256], (as translated by Pickthall, Shakir, Mohsin Khan, Arberry, Mawdudi, and Muhammad Sarwar) is simply a statement of the fact that some people do not renounce their beliefs even under threat of death, and thus not a command.
“No Compulsion in Religion: Islam and Freedom of Belief” by Dr Usama Hasan argues that that verse 2:256 means a command, viz “Let there be no compulsion in religion…”. However this overlooks that even if it did have that meaning, it would still be abrogated by later verses such as 9:29, 9:41, 9:123, 3:85. The same applies to his quotations of 10:99, 11:28, 2:62, 5:69, 22:17, and 2:190 insofar as they might be thought to argue against violent compulsion.
Fourteen centuries of continuous Jihad killing in the history of Islam.
Those who assert that “Islam is a religion of peace” also regularly assert that the history of Islam is predominantly one of fourteen centuries of tolerance and peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims. But on the contrary, the history of Islam has been predominantly one of continuous deadly aggressive Jihad against non-Muslims (and other sects of Muslims).
Bill Warner of PoliticalIslam.com has compiled a display of 548 battles of Jihad aggression against Europe, from the time of Mohammed to the 1920s.
More at http://www.becomeATerrorist.com and http://www.IslamHoax.com
Robin says
Many people will cite as proof of Islam’s terroristic nature the verses 9:5 and 9:29. I think they are greatly mistaken, because those verses do not clearly indicate that they are all-time commands to enduring Jihad. The verses I have quoted above show more clearly what “Allah” intends his warmongering to be about. Capturing goods and women and defeating resistors basically.
Phantomfighter says
Up your Butt, Mohammed. Come for me, and I will cancel you. Damn be Islam, you blood-thirsty pigs come after US, and you will be annihilated. Others on my side will Testify. You are all going home to meet your Maker. And he aint a virgin and his name isn’t Mo. Peace
Robin says
Many people here are misunderstanding the way these people think.Firstly there is already a general understanding from cultural relativism, that all cultures are equal and likewise all major faiths.
Secondly, in accordance with cutural relativism, the opinions of non-Muslims do not count in interpreting other cultures, so just because some people here thing “kill” means “kill” that is of no consquence. Rather under the relativist perspective Islam can only be what Muslims say it is.
Of course there are some claiming to be muslims who are claiming Islam is jihad terror. But they are outvoted by all the very nice decent (and main point, rich and influential) muslims declaring they are perverters.
“Therefore” Islam is, as the nice muslims say it is. Quoting one’s opinions about quran translations is irrelevant to this mindset.
PS- my experience of barristers and judges is that hypocrisy and self-contradition do not really count as notewothy problems in their eyes, indeed the more such you can get away with in your “reasoning” the more points you score.
J D S says
Every day I see more and more reasons for the western world governments to step right in the middle of islam and squash it like a bug.
Let’s say that I was, while in some sort of stupor, visited by some messenger from my clouded mind of stupor and was given all this mish mash of religious garbage that said I was was to be the prophet of some being of super power and this “visitor” told me that this super power wanted me to start this new religion called WHATSIT….Compile a set of rules of this new religion…FAST FORWARD NOW….I have all this mish mash that the “visitor” gave me from the super power and have tried to get preachers to preach it and followers to follow it but am having a hard time and am being hounded by those who don’t want what I am selling…FAST FORWARD A LITTLE FURTHER…I have managed to get a small flowing and have armed them and am now forcing people to join my new religion…….even to the point of death if they don’t submit..Soon I have a large following of forced followers who, from FEAR are afraid to leave the WHATSIT religion …..But guess what????? a couple of days later……..
Oops I wake up finding the FBI and in fact a whole army surrounding my holy place…….SO MUCH FOR MY NEW RELIGION.
Now what’s the difference ……in a 1400 hundred year old religion and my new religion…Answer: LAWS that are not being used and leaders that won’t do what they are elected and paid to do or even pass new or amend old laws, if necessary..That’s the difference
Robin says
“LAWS that are not being used and leaders that won’t do what they are elected and paid to do”
True. The context of this is that history progresses by slow-swinging pendulums and backlashes. In this case a sick ideology of cultural relativism and globalism developed a century or more ago. Then in 1945 this ideology and its “anti-racism” defeated the local-communityism. This defeat was not by intellectual debate but rather by brute force, but most people’s psychology works on the “might is right” principle rather than any critical rationality.
Since then, a very high proportion of the population has rejected this relativist-globalist-“anti-racist” ideology, but such changes always come from below — the controlling regime remain the last bulwark and only eventually do they collapse. The votes for Brexit and Trump are portents of such a collapse – they were achieved DESPITE huge money and propaganda.
Islam has found itself very favourably positioned to take advantage of the relativist, globalist, “anti-racist” ideology and its control of our regimes. This combined with the huge Saudi oil wealth has enabled Islam to flourish in recent decades.
But the pendulums and backlashes are still swinging. The oil money is running out. More and more Muslims are seeing the superiority of the Kuffars, they can try to deny it but it constantly bears down. And most importantly, there are for first time in history MILLIONS of free “perfect” qurans available to be read, and MILLIONS of “muslims” able to read what rubbish they thought they were believing. Islam has no answer to this latter problem which is why millions of its “muslims” are leaving Islam, and EX-muslim is the fastest growing faith.
Andy says
When it comes down to the brass tacks of it, It will be our brave Men and Women in the military-the front line,
“Patriots” of any western society country who loves the country more than being an “intellectual” of great debate on Islam who will prevail into keeping the Republic and Freedom of any land.
WILL YOU BE ONE TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY IF NEEDS BE!!
First stop being Politically Correct. We have to be able to name the enemy!
That enemy being ISLAM!!
Robin says
““Patriots” of any western society country who loves the country more than being an “intellectual” of great debate on Islam who will prevail into keeping the Republic and Freedom of any land”
Andy, it has been explained elsewhere that Islam has a strong point and a weak point. Its strong point is violence. It convinces crazies to suicide themselves “we love death more than you love life”. Defeating this is not easy.
Islam’s weak point is its utter stupidity. Especially the stupidity of the Quran (see http://www.IslamHoax.com for some hints).
Islam has survived this long only because there were very few copies of the quran and very few “muslims” who could read it and see just how absurd it is. But now for first time in history there are millions of free copies (and of the hadith) and millions of “muslims” can read it. Some of the dafter ones who read it develop Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Many more are quietly becoming EX-muslims. .
That is Islam’s weak point and to make things worse/better, Muslims are incapable of seeing it, because they are by definition deluded that this book is a perfect miracle and couldn’t possibly be Islam’s greatest own goal. Also modern science is exposing the quran as absurd.
The easiest surest way to get rid of Islam is simply to promote reading of the quran. Even muslims will cooperate in that because of their delusion.
mortimer says
TERRORISM TAUGHT IN CANONICAL ISLAMIC TEXTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USFvDh_9RjA&t=272s
Andy says
Thank you Mortimer for the video.
FYI says
muslims are merely following the example or Sunnah of their “prophet”.
“I have been made victorious through TERROR”
~attributed to muhammed
Bukhari 4:52:220
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mortimer says
TERRORISM IS HARD-WIRED INTO ISLAM IN THE ISLAMIC SOURCE TEXTS – Koran vs9 & vs29
MUSLIMS MUST MAKE WAR UPON THE DISBELIEVERS AND TERRORISE THEM!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pqDtBzCC5I
mortimer says
Top 10 Koran Verses Supporting Terrorism … Allah commands Muslims to terrorise non-Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJss167jgU
Andy says
Thanks Mortimer for the video’s very insightful.
mortimer says
CNN: Madrassa teaches children to hate U.S.- Mullah says “ALLAH SAYS WE CAN NEVER BE FRIENDS WITH DISBELIEVERS”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcx9wLBVi4
mortimer says
“EVERY MUSLIM SHOULD BE A TERRORIST” – leading Islamic teacher Zakir Naik
“Every Muslim Should be a terrorist. And that He is with Osama Bin Laden as far as he is terrorizing America.. if he is terrorizing a terrorist, then he is following Islam.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI
Save Europe says
+1
mortimer says
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008
Lydia Church says
You see?
Their ‘counter-terrorism’ weapons are not aimed at the terrorists, but the counter-terrorists: us.
That is their purpose in the globalist agenda.
It has absolutely nothing to do with actual terrorism.
BC says
He needs to read Nonie Drawish’s book ‘Cruel and Usual Punishment’ Then he will know that Islam has been a terrorist ‘religion’ since it was invented. It was founded on terror, it has spread though terror and it persists through terrorising its adherents with sharia law, and in fact its founder was a terrorist and brigand himself. He advocated violence as the best way of controlling both Muslims and non Muslims. What other religion has the death penalty for rejecting it? I am sure as a jurist he does not favour the death penalty for even for multiple murder, does he condone the death penalty for changing one’s religion?
BC says
Sorry Darwish. I am sure most people here have heard of her.
JawsV says
Islam’s not a “great” religion except demographically. Polygamous over-populating has been Islam’s game since the get-go. Islam’s a bad religion and should be treated accordingly, as a scourge on the planet. A shame to see England submitting.
Ecosse1314 says
Dear oh dear. It is not England it is the UK. Just as California is not the entire USA England is not the whole UK.
PRCS says
Good point, but do England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland (any I missed) all follow the same law re: their definition of “terrorism”?
Ecosse1314 says
Actually only N Ireland as The Republic of Ireland i indeoendent.Whilst Scotlabd Wales and N Ireland have devolved governments all major terrorism policy issues from Lonfon.
PRCS says
Thanks.
Robin says
Ecosse you are confused. Republic of Ireland is separate country. Northern Ireland is part of UK. Though in reality the whole UK is now England, just we retain those other country names to fool the locals that they are in their own countries.
Ecosse1314 says
Robin…you are an idiot read my post i said NI was part of UK. You obviously have reading issues as well as other serous concerns…..such as thinking that the Scots Welsh and N Irish could be hoodwinked by an idiot like you. Just sayin like.
Robin says
“Robin…you are an idiot”
I bow to your superior independent judgement there.
“read my post i said NI was part of UK. You obviously have reading issues”
You wrote something vaguely resembling English, namely:
“Actually only N Ireland as The Republic of Ireland i indeoendent.”
I agree that I did have difficulty reading that.
“thinking that the Scots Welsh and N Irish could be hoodwinked by an idiot like you.”
You may be taking that bit a bit more seriously than its author was doing…..
Naildriver says
These traitors are oblivious to the damage they are doing in most cases. Islam is the West’s enemy and mankind’s enemy.
Western governments should have an obligation to protect its citizens against Islam’s cancerous and prurient effects, but all too many public officials instead weigh the promise of career advancement and enrichment in the current delusional conceptions of it– and sometimes couple that with a conscious knowledge that to speak against Islam carries risk as public officials, from Islam’s relentless vengeance methods.
The situation of Islam’s inclusion they’ve permitted, and even fostered, has already reached a critical mass and may well be irreversible — And may well result with a decent into open rebellion and terrorism from many citizens betrayed — not unlike the Balkans.
But, even should that rebellion occur, these public traitors and propagandists still maintain a presumption our Brave New world can manage it by redefining the pushback as white supremacism, or far right fanatics equal or worse than the Islamist fanatics. The war of words since 9/11 has shown these traitors have prevailed and likely will continue to do so.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed, Naildriver.
I think we need to focus on recruiting more people from the political left into the counter-jihad, so it becomes more & more difficult for the PC Police to dismiss all criticism of Islam as “right-wing extremism “.
mortimer says
Judge Max Hill has not read the primary Islamic texts, and yet, preposterously, he presents himself as a SPONTANEOUS EXPERT.
If someone made UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS in Judge Hill’s court (similar to his own) would the judge not DEMAND EVIDENCE of the CLAIM?
Judge Hill CANNOT defend his claim, because he doesn’t even know the NAMES of the SOURCE texts of Islam, let alone what is in them … a LOT of DIVINE DECREES to commit terrorism.
StellaSaidSo says
I agree, Savvy Kafir, we need to focus on re-educating the Left. In my experience, if they have any functioning grey matter at all, they will not even attempt to defend, for example, the argument that ‘all cultures are equal’. Few lefties have read the Koran. When they see what it says about ‘kufr’ they are shocked.
It is blindingly obvious that the fool in the wig has not read the Koran.
NERO says
“Polygamous over-populating has been Islam’s game since the get-go.”LOL that is called REPRODUCTIVE JIHAD.
JawsV says
Demographic Jihad. Out-number the Infidels.
Savvy Kafir says
That’s the real danger for Western civilization — the Demographic Jihad, waged via Muslim immigration & prolific baby-making.
And the only solution is to send ALL of them back to the Muslim-majority country from which they or their parents came. (And if that’s not an option, send them to ANY Muslim-majority country.)
Islam is NOT a problem we should have to deal with in the 21st Century. We’ve got enough problems to contend with already — such as climate change, overpopulation, broken education systems, and the danger of nuclear Armageddon. We don’t owe ANYTHING to anyone who embraces a barbaric, inherently-supremacist ideology that promotes violence, misogyny, & hatred of non-Muslims.
Islam is a cancer that eats away at all societies to which it spreads, undermining basic freedoms & basic human rights. And there is no cure, except to remove it entirely. Anything less is a half-measure that will only postpone the inevitable outcome — in which free, civilized societies are transformed into Islamic hell-holes resembling 7th Century Arabia.
There is NO good reason to allow this to happen to the U.S., Europe, Canada, Australia, or any other society that values freedom & basic human decency.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
RichardL says
Next week he will propose that we call any jihadi “dashing young man”. It is only a little “e” away from Daesh. Mr Hill, on the other hand, seems to be popping capital Es for breakfast. Or maybe another psychedelic drug?
The UK is way past the point of no return, I am afraid. I don’t even go there for conferences any longer.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…or maybe a psychedelic drug’
Probably all of the above, RichardL, but mostly he is high on his own self-importance. As Thomas Sowell observed, these people consider themselves ‘the anointed’. And, as such, they don’t actually have to know anything.
Terry Gain says
Muhammad “I have been successful through terror”. Bukhari 4, 52:220.
It is wrong for cowards to be put in positions they are not capable of filling.
Michael Copeland says
“The Koran directly commands us to use terrorism…..”
Ragab Hilal Hamida, MP
in the Egyptian Parliament
Gjallarhornet says
Folks – this is the reality we are living under here in Europe now. If an enemy surfaces … The thought of #fighting him# is now obsolete.
Instead, these days the Government just changes the language. Voilà! Enemy gone. Don’t combat your foe – just make a linguistics adjustment, backed up by the force of law, and the problem just …. disappears, or so they seem to believe .
What happened to us?
Needless to say, somehow the enemy will still be there, no matter how much people are robbed off words describing the danger. Yes – we’re screwed
Norger says
Yes. You can’t successfully fight an enemy whom you refuse to name. I used to think that people like Hill don’t actually believe such nonsensical statements, that they saythese things in an effort to make sure the unwashed masses don’t take the law into their own hands. But I’m afraid that Mr. Spencer is right and that Mr. Hill and his ilk (the anti-terrorism czars of western countries) generally live in a perpetual state of self-imposed ignorance about what Islam actually teaches.
Gjallarhornet says
Makes you wonder … how a man like Churchill would have fared, had he been trying to warn of the dangers of Nazi Germany beefing up if his language had be taken from him and outlawed as well as being constantly hammered by SJWs, trying to take his job away. Every time he would try to warn of German rearmament, the SJWS would plaster silly comments he had made on other matters, in the intent of branding him a racist. What would have been the outcome?
A: Britain would have lost that war.
R Russell says
Dhimmi UK again bowing to Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, people with good rational calculation know that actions of few individuals in ideology cannot be applied to all those believe in It. This is known as false généralisation,which is a logical fallacy. we have been educating you that these evîl terrorists hold perverted interpretation of Islamic sources (mainly Quran and Hadith) from khawarijism rejected by Muslims for centuries. It is because you are not properly learned on Islam that is why you feel that their version is exactly what These sources teach. Eg, in one of my comments ï made reference to a Quranic verse “faqtuluhum haithu thaqiftumuhum (fight thém whereever you find them) “which terrorists wrongly interprete to mean that they are justified to carryingout suicide bombing killing all unbelievers whoever they are and whoever they are. Mr Spencer agreed with this perverted interpretation and concluded that these terrorists are acting according to the dictates of this verse. Ï said thé verse is not saying all unbelievers shall be killed whereever they found. It is talking about permission given to muslims to fight meccan idolators for breaching the truce of Hudaibiyya they signed. Note :the différence between faqtuluhum (fight them) “and “uqtuluhum(kill them). thé verse never used “uqtuluhum (kill them)”,it rather says “faqtuluhum “,which means fight them. you need to ask à Who are to be fought ? Thé Muslim scholars did their job by reference to context and Hadith and other interpretation techniques. thé context of the verse is that It is talking about pagan meccans Who reached the truce of Hudaibiyya, and it applies to all hostile unbelievers Who breach thé true of ceasefire. You as ask another question, who are to be fought among hostile unbelievers ? . The answer can be found in the Hadith where prophet muhammad said non-combatant civilians population shall not be fought as prophet used to instuct muslim fighters before going to the battle front. The question is this type war a terrorism in the same way terrorists carryingout indiscriminate of mostly civilians by suicide bombing or random shootings or beheadings ? Again, even where circumstances warrant that jîhad fighting has to resorted to, the moment combatant unbelievers surrender or seek for truce or peace treaty, all hostilities have to be terminated to give peace à chance. Allah says “Fa in janahu Lissilmi fajnah lahaa(when they incline for peace, incline to it) “.The objective is to subdue the hostile enemies to secure peace, not to terminate their lives .Thus, beheadings of captured unbelievers by terrorists has no basis in Islam.
David George says
Even if what you claim as an interpretation is correct, and it doubt it is, you forgot to finish the story. The goal is to conquer the ‘people’ and give them three choices; convert to Islam, accept dimmitude or be executed. Then there is the uncomfortable issue of booty including sex slaves and slaves in general.
Most Terrorism, as defined in the West, is clearly motivated by the so called teaching of Islam. Thus, terrorism is almost exclusively an Islamic practice that enjoys wide support within the Ummah. Calling it Islamic terrorism is spot on.
PRCS says
*As I understand it–revert, accept dhimmitude, or warfare.
*IMO, Mo better: as it doesn’t exist in any other religion–jihadists.
rubiconcrest says
Ibrahim itace muhammed, Mohammad said Muslims who change their religion should be killed. This is where terrorism begins. Terrorizing individuals for exercising their free will. So yes, Islam condones terrorism.
Billy Chickens says
Ibrahim!
Congratulations are in order. You are improving, which is a sign that there is yet hope for you. Not once did you use the words “filthy’ or “evil” in reference to others.
Non-Muslims are more likely to take more seriously what you have to say when you say it without referring to them/us as “filthy” and “evil”. When you’re talking among your fellow Muslims I’m sure you still refer to us in your derogatory manner but when trying to get a point across to us, you’ll better be able to do that by refraining from nastiness.
Because remember – I can do anything better than you, including nasty.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Billy chickens, it is noted. But some commentators here make more nasty and derogatory remarks against muslims and Islam.Is that OK, May be because the site is meant for that ?
Andy says
Oh, ibrahim, sticks and stones will break my bones (and moslems will burn you alive, chop off your head, throw you off buildings, rape, kill, chop off limbs etc..etc.. etc..) BUT NAMES WILL NEVER HURT ME!.
Champ says
Sticks and stones “ibrahim itace muhammed” …
Derogatory statements are not deadly like jihadists are.
And you wrote:
“OK, May be because the site is meant for that ?”
This is the primary goal of Jihad Watch: “Exposing the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern global conflicts.”
Robert Spencer offers the comment section as a courtesy–as an opportunity for others to exercise their right to free speech. He has zero control over the opinions of others–including some of your god-awful contributions.
LeftisruiningCanada says
So you’re saying that if other people say something nasty, it’s ok for you to do the same?
Is this the height of your islamic morality?
R Russell says
Hello Ibrahim,
Have you asked the Bible Jesus to reveal himself to you yet?
You will never regret it if you do. He is a wonderful friend.
Billy Chickens says
Ibrahim,
Yes there are many derogatory comments against Islam on this site exactly like there are many derogatory comments against Christianity and Judaism on Arabic sites. The problem is that you know English, therefore you are able to comment here, however we do not know Arabic and are not able to defend ourselves on Arabic sites or else we’d do that.
Since you are here posting comments we comment back to you, but because of your acerbic language, we comment back the same.
RS and JW are here to educate us about the realities of Islam and what we as Christians and Jews have to deal with. When a person wants to comment or make an objection, and states his or her opinion in a belligerent manner, it automatically inflames the other side. The name calling begins and as a result no one reaches a state of exchange of views.
You need to not respond to remarks that make you angry. Either ignore them and go to another article or figure out a way to reach the other person in another manner. Try it out. You’ll be surprised.
Now that I’ve said that, some people will think I’m helping you and make comments that I am a traitor. But it’s in everyone’s interest to be able to calmly discuss the articles RS posts without tossing insults back and forth.
I can insult with the best of them to get a point across, or to get someone to see, but I’d rather say things in a more dignified manner. That’s always a best first choice.
Andy says
Hi Bill
I bet you, yer glad to get that off yer chest with ole IIbrahim!
StellaSaidSo says
‘…always a best first choice’
You’re right, Billy.
But you have to hand it to Ibby, his approach is totally consistent with the Koran. First you tell the filthy kufr how marvellously wondrous Islam is. Then – ever so nicely – you ask the filthy kufr if he would like to join this wondrous club. And when the filthy kufr says ‘no thanks, stick it up your Khyber pass’, you whack him over the head. It’s been working well for 1400 years. The only thing stopping the likes of Ibby from a literal ‘step 3’ is that the likes of us are beyond the reach of his swing.
CRUSADER says
Has, in actuality, Mr Irritates himself read the Hadith and the Quor’an ?
Champ says
Allah says “Fa in janahu Lissilmi fajnah lahaa(when they incline for peace, incline to it) “.
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I don’t care what a false pagan moon god has to say …
I only pay attention to the one true God of the Bible:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” — Exodus 20:3
CRUSADER says
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CAUTION: this could catch on!!!!
‘Death to you’ = (as-samu alaykum)
AWESOME Greeting To A Muslim Jerk!
Note the similarity to the usual “greeting”
——- below link has things to say about it:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/greeting_disbelievers.htm
Rules of Greeting Non Muslims In Islam
By
Bassam Zawadi
(who obviously is more akin to Mr Irritates than to us Counter–Jihad folk.)
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LeftisruiningCanada says
Who do you consider to be innocent civilian non combatants, and why is your opinion more correct than those you disagree with?
Phantomfighter says
The “Evil Terrorists” come from YOUR Religion. They are not Jewish, They are not Buddhist, They are not Zoroastrian, They are not Christian, and they certainly are not moving in WAVES of THOUSANDS across the Whole World. Answer to that, Teacher
Jayell says
“Fundamentally wrong to attach the word terrorism to any of the world religions”….
Islam isn’t a ‘religion’.
Wellington says
It’s a religion, Jayell, but it is an evil religion, so is Satanism, though thankfully there are only a handful of Satanists compared to well over one billion Muslims. Remember, it is not written anywhere that a religion must be good. The Aztec religion (and certain other religions like that of the ancient Carthaginians) required human sacrifice. They were still religions, “just” awful ones.
Compounding the problem with the Islamic faith is that it is also a totalitarian ideology, similar to Nazism and Marxism in many respects, including concepts of world conquest, abolition of true freedom and singling out certain groups for second class status or death, with only the grouping being a variable here.
CRUSADER says
Hasn’t our esteemed Robert Spencer stated numerous times that
Islam is both a religion and an ideology?
JawsV says
Yes, Islam’s a religion. A BAD religion.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Agree with Wellington and Jaws above.
Champ says
As a Christian, I think that islam is an evil false religion: false god, false prophet …islam is full of falsehoods!
LeftisruiningCanada says
agreed. One of many false prophets used to litter the world with falsity and evil. Quite a successful one in that regard.
Phantomfighter says
We can combat this scourge upon our society. When it comes to you close to home, I myself have a sword to protect myself, my family and my community. It might not be much, but it does measure 9mm.
MFritz says
Monty Python would quip: “Without the wig, his tiny brain would simply fly away!”
StellaSaidSo says
LOL, indeed, he looks like he just stepped off the set of ‘Rumpole of the Bailey’.
traci94 says
I can’t even take that guy seriously with that ridiculous wig on.
Jayell says
Makes them look important. Or something.
CRUSADER says
Too bad the mindset of 1700s toward Islam doesn’t automatically also go along with the 1700s wig look.
(Only that would justify the continued wig wearing.)
Champ says
LOL, traci94! 😀
mortimer says
A study of Malik’s “The Quranic Concept of War” is indispensable for anyone who seeks to understand the religious nature of jihad and implications of this doctrine for non-Muslims. Malik’s book provides valuable insight into the widespread teaching in the Muslim world that recognizes the vital link between Islamist ideology and Islamic warfare and TERRORISM.
However, MAX HILL does NOT know the Koran, hadiths, Sira, canonical commentaries and Sharia law manuals better than the JIHADISTS themselves. He has not read General Malik’s book.
MAX HILL is a PREPOSEROUS POSEUR when it comes to Islam.
MAX HILL has NOT read the primary source texts of Islam, and yet, preposterously he presents himself as a spontaneous, unread, unstudied EXPERT. He talking SPONTANEOUS NONSENSE and WORLD SALAD, because he hasn’t done the BASIC READING LIST REQUIRED to know what Islam teaches.
Here is what General Malik wrote his book ‘THE QURANIC CONCEPT OF WAR’ (concerning TERROR):
General Malik Quranic Concept of War re TERRORISM
Quotes from Gen. Malik: “We see that, on all these occasions, when God wishes to impose His will upon His enemies, He chooses to do so by casting terror into their hearts. But, what strategy does He prescribe for the Believers to enforce their decision upon their foes? “Let not the Unbelievers think,” God commands us directly and pointedly, “that they can get the better (of the Godly): they will never frustrate
them. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost.”
“Terror struck into the hearts of the enemies is not only a means, it is the end in itself. Once a condition of terror into the opponent’s heart is obtained, hardly anything is left to be achieved. It is the point where the means and the end meet and merge. Terror is not a means of imposing decision upon
the enemy; it is the decision we, wish to impose upon him.”
CRUSADER says
Perusing the book by Spencer “Religion of Peace?” (published 2007) also helps with such understanding of these matters….
Rob says
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/fr/originals/2015/02/azhar-egypt-radicals-islamic-state-apostates.html
If Al Azhar finds nothing wrong with ISIS in terms of Islamic doctrine how can you not draw a direct line between Islam and terrorism?
underbed cat says
You can’t . I agree. It is taught by the Quran and in the mosques that is why they want to silence those who speak about the doctrine and discover the deception.
CRUSADER says
This fellow Hill looks like a crossbred poodle and lemming.
How unfortunate he has come to a position of influence.
What a pinhead. He is among the first of Dhimmis to lower their heads…
JawsV says
Take that silly wig off you dumb Dhimmi!
shoehorn says
Would the UK even have the need for a terror watchdog without the Religion of Terrorism?
JawsV says
I don’t think so. It’s all Islam.
Peter says
“Terrorism” can only be attached to one religion: Islam. Its founder was a self-declared terrorist: “I have been made victorious [by allah] with terror” (hadith, Sahih Bukhari). Given the PC and Multicultural sensitivity not to offend Muslims, one would have to conclude that terror has been a very effective tool in spreading the “religion of peace, justice, and tolerance.” Then, and now.
DHazard says
The PC Elite have the remarkable ability to be completely blind and deaf to what Islam is about and why Muslims do what they do. For example, you will never, ever hear them heap scorn on Muslims over the never ending stream of disdain and death wishes against Jews that comes from the Muslim world. Nor will they dare actually read what the Quran has to say about the Jews. Their minds can’t process that information so they reflexively ignore it or find some random Muslim who is happy to oblige them and lie about his religion. You know, the ones who say Muhammad was the first feminist. Or, that the terrorists don’t represent the true Islam. Or, the U.S. needs to stop killing Muslim children.
Unfortunately, it seems these morons actually have the power to make important decisions. Europe is castrating itself with Sweden in the lead, followed by the UK.
mortimer says
MESSAGE FOR JUDGE MAX HILL: KINDLY READ THESE PASSAGES FROM MOHAMMED’S OFFICIAL BIOGRAPHY. Muslims must imitate Mohammed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq
If you read the SIRA (official biography of Mohammed), you will understand why so-called “extremists” do what they do (they are copying Muhammad), and why so many Muslims are leaving Islam now they are finding out the truth.
Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.
Muhammad approves the stabbing of Uqba bin Abu Muayt on page 308.
Muhammad arranges the beheading of Kab bin al-Ashraf on page 364-9.
Muhammad personally beheads over 600 Jewish prisoners of war on page 464
Muhammad orders the torturing of treasurer of Khaybar tribe, Kinana on page 515
Muhammad orders the killing of Abdullah bin Katal’s and one of his singing-girls on page 550-1
Muhammad approves the murder of Asma bint Marwan on page 675-6.
Muhammad arranges the assassination of the old man Abu Afak on page 675.
Muhammad approves the murder of an old one-eyed Bedouin man, by Amr bin Umayya, one of his Jihadist thugs on page 674-5.
Indiana Tom says
This guy looks like he escaped from an English MTV music video from the 80s.
“It is fundamentally wrong to attach the word terrorism to any of the world religions.
Lyrics are as nonsensical as well.
CRUSADER says
“You BLINDED me with Science!!!”
JawsV says
“You blinded me with…SCIENCE!”
underbed cat says
You can’t . I agree. It is taught by the Quran and in the mosques that is why they want to silence those who speak about the doctrine and discover the deception.
Indiana Tom says
but asked him, in light of dangers posed by Irish and far-right terrorism, “whether there is any downside that the current debate does tend to focus largely on Islamic terrorism”.
Yeah, those Irish are just terrorizing everybody down at the pub drinking the Johnny Jump Up.
After leavin’ the third I came out by the yard
Where I walked into Brophy the big civic guard;
“Come ‘ere to me boy don’t you know I’m the law?”
I upped with me fist and I shattered his jaw.
Well he fell to the ground with his knees doubled up
‘Twas not I that hit him, but Johnny Jump-Up
Well I went down the Lee road a friend for to see,
They call it the Madhouse in Cork by the Sea
But when I got there sure the truth I will tell
They had the poor bugger locked up in a cell
Said the guard, testing him, “Say these word if you can:
‘Around the rugged rock the ragged rascal ran.”
“Tell them I’m not crazy, tell them I’m not mad
‘Twas only the sup of the bottle I had.
DHazard says
The problem with Islam is that religion is just one part of it. The world of Islam is more like an organized cult with global ambitions, allot of rules and a few rituals. At best it might be considered a pseudo-religion, like Scientology.
Redefining things is just another angle leftists use, in this case to try and minimize the specific role the Quran, Hadith and Muslims themselves have in virtually every terrorist attack. He can try to muddy the waters but there are still more sane people than idiots, so it will be seen for what it is. Kind of pathetic.
Tom W harris says
He’s in big trouble if that miniature polar bear laying on his head ever wakes up!
CRUSADER says
Jordan Peterson Destroys Islam in 15 Seconds
Studies: IQ same in Women and Men —- so much for “deficiency of females”….
….hear that, Moohamheadmad?
In his discussion with Cathy Newman on Channel 4, clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson showed that there is no difference between men and women in intelligence. However, Muhammad claimed that women are far less intelligent than men. Do intelligence tests thus prove that Muhammad’s claims were false?
The incomparable David Wood discusses the issue on this video link. All praises be to the great Wood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrLoFzKhE-o
CRUSADER says
Hey, by the way, is that an image of Moohamheadmad on the video title?
Infidel says
David Woods is intelligence epitome… a genius..
sidney penny says
You cannot attach the word terrorism to any of the world religions.
Bit, like saying all religions are the same.
StellaSaidSo says
‘…like saying all religions are the same.’
Indeed, Sidney, we hear this a lot. It is a myth perpetrated by Islamic supremacists, especially those behind the ‘interfaith dialogue’ confidence trick. ‘We are brothers in Abraham’, the mullahs intone, and the dhimmi Christian and Jewish ‘leaders’ lap it up. Too many Christians are disposed to give Islam a free pass, simply because it is a religion, and any religion is presumed to be superior to no religion. Note HRH Charles’ remark about being a ‘defender of faith’ on his accession to the throne, rather than ‘defender of THE faith’, which is his historic duty in a realm which has an established Church.
CRUSADER says
Face it, StellaSaidSo, the Establishment Status Quo in the West is faltering.
Steve Bannon has a point. Yet, simultaneously Trump wishes to build, not just set all to flame.
Taking pages out of the thoughts of Polish, Hungarian and Czech leaders would benefit us in the West, as they are less infected and have appreciation for freedom/liberty, and know the price necessary to pay for these true core values.
StellaSaidSo says
CRUSADER, I have never argued that the ‘Establishment Status Quo in the West’ is NOT faltering. Quite the opposite, in fact. Nor have I claimed that ‘taking pages out of the thoughts of Polish, Hungarian and Czech leaders’ would NOT benefit us in the West. I completely support the Visegrad4 in their stance against the EU. You seem to have confused me with some other poster.
CRUSADER says
Indeed.
Good going.
Keep up the good fight.
As Churchill inspired, “When heading into Chaos/Hell, keep going through it…”
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DEUS VULT
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gravenimage says
UK govt’s “terror watchdog”: “Fundamentally wrong to attach the word terrorism to any of the world religions”
………………………….
Why is it wrong to tell the truth about Islam?
Lydia Church says
It is fundamentally right to attach the word terrorism to islam because that religion is fundamentally a religion of terrorism.
Proof: See koran.
brane pilot says
The suicide of the West is unstoppable.
It is incredible that the scientific community has presented no depth psychology theory to explain this epidemic of magical thinking among Western leadership. Aggressive denial of objective historical facts regarding Islam and its violent, expansionist ideology is becoming enshrined in Western criminal and civil Law.
One can only conclude that it is based on progressive brainwashing in the primary and secondary school systems of Western countries, rather than some natural predisposition of human thinking.
Brainwashing, unfortunately, works and, unfortunately, has unintended consequences.
Once you have the minds of their children, it is all over except the waiting for the old to die.
CRUSADER says
The very secular, thinly veiled self confidence of Western liberal thought is beginning to show itself.
As mentioned in the book “Age of Anger”, there is little that this line can offer the world, as it is faltering.
Best to go back to standards and values which upheld the West rather than those which have tore it.
Robin says
“The suicide of the West is unstoppable.”
Not really. The pendulums of history swing very slowly but swing they do. The “elites” are the last to get the message The backlash can only start after the lash, and it is doing. When I first saw the light and became an “Islamophobe”, 15 years ago, I was a lone voice hearing no others. But since then millions more have been speaking out, many putting their names to their apostasy/blasphemy, and a huge amount of critical research has exposed more and more of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the Mohammedanist cult. The regimes are now trying to close the bottle of truth with their “hate crimes” repression, but it’s too late.
Millions of copies of the stupid words of “Allah” are now out there to be read and read and seen as the worthless nonsense they are. Islam is now heading down the plughole with EX-muslim the fastest growing faith in history.
StellaSaidSo says
Well said, Robin. As a card-carrying Islamophobe since the ‘Rushdie affair’, I have often despaired. But I see now some very good reasons for optimism, not least of which is the growing number of apostates joining the counter-jihad movement. Nevertheless, we are far from out of the woods, and things will undoubtedly get worse before they get better. Canada is a big worry. M-103 should never have been taken seriously as a motion, much less as a law.
Robin says
Basically if everyone assumes we are doomed, then we are.
And if everyone assumes we arent’ doomed, then we are.
It needs just enough people to recognise it depends on us, doing the right things – which involves:
(a) educating ourselves of the facts (e.g. http://www.IslamHoax.com and http://www.BecomeATerrorist.com );
(b) getting the message out, by internet and by leafletting and by civilly challenging the cult-members and to their dhimmi servants with the questions they can’t answer.
For instance the new “counter-extremism” commissioner Sara Khan has a book which tells you the processes by which children get “radicalised”. But she doesn’t explain why the same processes don’t happen with the many non-Muslic ideologies. Cos she can’t.
CRUSADER says
Critical Mass.
“Never, Never, Never Give Up…”
— Churchill
Champ says
Imagine showing up at your next costume party wearing that wig and a black robe …you would probably win a prize for best costume! lol! 😀
Robin says
It does fairly represent the total farce that “justice” is in the uk. At least landlords provide hovels and junkfood stores provide junk that vaguely relieve hunger.
tim gallagher says
Like so many other people here at Jihad Watch I’m sick and tired of characters like this guy Hill, who know absolutely nothing about Islam, making pronouncements about Islam, which are complete and utter crap. It’s the sheer laziness of such traitorous idiots, in that they don’t go and read up on islam and learn what is in its basic texts, that annoys me most of all. They should go and do some homework. They certainly shouldn’t be listened to and yet their opinions seem to carry a lot of weight in many western societies. Maybe it’s because they give people the fantasyland viewpoint that Islam isn’t that dangerous which many people desperately want to go on believing. These lazy, know nothing clowns are doing so much damage to our societies with their pandering to the Muslim enemies in our midst. They all need to learn the truth about Islam from people like Robert Spencer. Then maybe they’d have something to say that is worth listening to and is based in reality.
Robin says
But he is the regime’s official terrorism “advisor” and as such he is THE “expert” whose words are THE “expertise” for this gang of clowns pretending to run this country. And that’s why that twat MP asked HIM rather than any of the many thousands of people more competent in the subject.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
tim gallagher says
Yes, Robin, I guess it’s only natural that the politicians appoint people with similar viewpoints into positions of authority and supposed expertise. Hence, the left appoint their leftie mates as judges, etc. Same for the right wingers I suppose. But, I wonder if a hell of a lot of the population, who mainly just want to get on with enjoying life and who have busy lives, just love to hear the complete crap fed to them by fools like this guy Hill, because it tells them there’s nothing much to worry about with Islam. Of course, it’s worse than that, because they really try to protect evil Islam all the time and try to shut down people who are awake to Islam and criticise it. Anyway, this is the way the western nations could fall to Islam, just through slack populations who just want to take the easiest path in life and just slumber on. They want to ignore reality for as long as they can. Unless huge numbers of the population wake up and demand that their useless politicians end Muslim migration, we’re in big trouble in all western countries. I think that nowhere near enough people have woken up yet. Ignorant fools like Hill don’t help.
Robin says
Tim, I think you are looking at the illusion created by the fake media. Of course many goons just believe what it tells them. But a huge many no longer do, especially on the “nothing to do with Islam” and “religion of peace” memes which are getting hard to speak with credibility. A high proportion of uk population no longer believe this or that Islam is acceptable, but they do not speak out due to (a) not wanting to appear nasty Muslophobes, (b) risk of being prosecuted for “hate”, and MOST IMPORTANTLY (c) not knowing what to do about this regime ideology.
I think this is reflected in our city centre – the Dawah stall sets up in a busy crowded place but the crowd keeps well away from the Dawah stall in case it might suddenly explode! The strongly Islamophile “Guardian” website has closed down all comments on Islam articles because it was getting totally slammed by those comments such that “moderation” could not compensate – it would have to “moderate” 95% of the comments!.
The regime’s preoccupation with harsh fascist repressive “hate crimes” laws reflects that they are on a back foot in their attempt to pretend that Islam is ok. Likewise their extensive crooked measures to suppress “far right” political movements because they can’t defeat them by simple debate or persuasion.
tim gallagher says
Those are good signs of progress in the UK, Robin. I guess I sense that more people are waking up to Islam out here in Australia as well, but I suppose I’m impatient and wish people would wake up in vast numbers more quickly. It’s such an important, life and death issue for all of us non-Muslims. We have to stop letting any more Muslims into the country. The problems they’ve brought are bad enough already. I notice, up above in your comment to J D S, you mention that huge numbers of Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam. That’s a great thing. If many Muslims are actually seeing for the first time how vile the Koran is and how evil the content of their religion is, then that is great news. I hope it becomes a huge tidal wave of ex-Muslims. That would improve the world no end. You’re probably right about the harsh “hate crimes” from the PC brigade being a sign of desperation that their garbage has been found out. I think we need to see vast numbers of people not giving a damn about being called nasty Islamophobes and just saying we’ve had a gutful of Islam and Muslims.
Robin says
There’s another important thing to remember. Will take more than one sentence to explain.
Muslims are DELUDED. Muslims BY DEFINITION are deluded that the quran is a wonderful book, eminently sensible and wise and decent and such as should persuade others to become Muslims, and they cannot help but be proud of it and want to introduce others to it.
So they are INCAPABLE of EVER understanding that it is such a load of nonsense that it is Islam’s greatest own goal. They can never understand that promoting the “Quran in English” is the greatest highway to discrediting their cult.
Islam has only survived this long because very few “muslims” could read this book they thought they believed. There were few copies, there were few literate readers, and there wasn’t the modern science to expose it as utterly ridiculous such as 18:86-92. And also till recently all discussion was prevented by armies of scimitars and local community antiblasphemy squads.
It is only now that all these qurans are being read that “muslims” read it for the first time and then go one of two ways. Either Sudden Jihad Syndrome, or Ex-muslim. The http://www.IslamHoax.com and http://www.BecomeATerrorist.com leaflets are intended to encourage the latter.
Linnte says
I just has a small conversation with a Muslim on a YouTube video. I quoted Qur’an and Hadiths to him. He denied those aya were in Qur’an. It happens all the time…you can quote for them, and they don’t believe it! This Muslim was even talking “about a RAPTURE for Muslims only!!” R A P T U R E? Where in the world is he learning that? Since when do Muslims believe in the rapture? He said he had not read the whole Qur’an yet. I encouraged him to do so, which kind of surprised him. And actually, he said he would, which surprised me.
My point for saying all this is, I am a wits end with our Islamic problem. If Imams keep changing the message of the Qur’an how can we fight? I was speechless when he mentioned the RAPTURE!
Robin says
Linnte – Aha, some famous misunderstandings there.
Firstly, the hadiths are not in the quran and many muslims will say the one you quote is not “authentic” (even if it is “sahih” which means — authentic!).
Secondly, you need to be able to show the muslim the verse (ayat) in the quran, remember the number and show them it is there (there is an online site with multiple translations)
Thirdly, they will then start ranting about “interpretation”, because they believe that their all-powerful God is too stupid to make his important message clear.
That’s why the http://www.IslamHoax.com leaflet starts by quoting those verses about how wonderfully clear and easy to understand the quran is. It kills all this “interpretation” bockolls dead. Likewise http://www.becomeaTerrorist.com which debunks the major notion that “moderate islam” is not a problem but rather the solution. The UK regime have just appointed a “moderate muslim” as counter-extremism Commissioner, very much like appointing a drinks wholesaler as counter-alcoholism Commissioner (as he after all doesn’t drink himself….).
Also, it has been my constant experience that most “muslims” are profoundly clueless about “their” religion/faith. At least that one admitted he hadn’t read the whole -rant. And Imams cannot just change the quran, that’s exactly WHY they are stuck up a gumtree with a self-exploding gun named quran.
Hint- download relevant quran quotes and links to a text file saved on your system. You can then paste from that when you encounter Islamophiles. Of course they won’t instantly admit they are wrong, but they will be rattled and eventually the rattling will stop.
Linnte says
Ah yes, I know all those things Robin, but thanks! I am in the process of collecting Muslim arguments that frequently pop up, and writing answers to those arguments, which includes all the references to “Qur’an is easy to remember and understand”. Hahahah! My collection of ANSWERS to Muslim arguments will even include their claims that the Persian god Mithras is where Christianity came from. Then, I hope to get it published. I’m doing this because I have such a poor memory myself, and get frustrated when I can’t remember where certain Qur’an aya are. Wish me luck!
Robin says
“Qur’an is easy to remember and understand”.
Serious mistake there surely? I don’t know of any verse saying it is easy to remember. Should clear (of meaning) and easy to understand.
“will even include their claims that the Persian god Mithras is where Christianity came from.”
I haven’t included that one myself because it isn’t even an argument about Islam but rather a “whataboutery”. Saying xyz abour Christianity in no way justifies anything about Islam. The evidence of Islam’s worthlessness is best confined to the Quran – it’s quite enough of a resource for this.
And unless you can command a book-length audience on the subject (almost impossible if you aren’t a celebrity in the subject), you have to keep it as short as practical, indeed confine to just one page-length, hence http://www.IslamHoax.com and http://www.becomeAterrorist.com.
“Then, I hope to get it published.”
Anyone “hoping” to get something published clearly doesn’t know much about publishing. Published how, where, by whom? You can put a book free on Amazon via Createspace, but no-one will even notice it unless it is publicised, and the only person who is going to do that publicising is yourself. Or you can publish it yourself to a blog or other webpage, as with those two webpages I’ve listed above. But no-one will take any notice of it (again unless you are already a “celebrity”.
“when I can’t remember where certain Qur’an aya are”
Which is another reason to keep the list down to the essential ones (as per those sites). I consider the ones about being “a clear book” and “easy to understand” to be the most important because without them all Islamophiles will dismiss everything else you say with the “interpretation” excuse. If you raise those “clear” and “easy” points you have already left 101% of Islamophiles behind and snookered them by their own ignorance. I’ve never heard any Muzzies mention those verses, for obvious reasons.
Robin says
Correction: Download relevant quran quotes AND links to the quran site —- and save them all to a text file on your system.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Robin and LInnte. I’ll make one more comment. I think that Muslims have to be pretty evil creatures because they follow such a barbaric, evil religion. Regardless of whether they read the foul Koran or not, they are still people who accept a religion which endorses child marriage, complete misogyny in every aspect of its treatment of women, hatred of all non-Muslims, and on and on. I realise some Muslims are trapped. I mean Muslim apostates are murdered. And I get that they have been brainwashed. But, anyone who can’t see what evil, inhuman garbage Islam consists of, has to be pretty bloody evil. The vile type of god Muslims believe in is not worthy of following for any decent human being. So, to my mind, Muslims are guilty of following a totally evil type of ideology. Islam is like some left over, primitive religion which should be extinct. Above all, it needs to be shut out of all non-MUslim countries. It would be great if all Muslims left Islam and joined the civilised members of humanity.
Robin says
“I think that Muslims have to be pretty evil creatures because they follow such a barbaric, evil religion.”
This is emphatically not true. I speak as an “Islamophobe” who has many years experience of living WITH muslims. The vast majority of “muslims” are profoundly ignorant of what the quran and hadith say or what their hero Mo did. They believe the religion of peace lies.
As more and more find out the truth, more and more become EX-muslims despite the death risk and the social rejection. Islam is heading down the drain and your impressions there are meanwhile only encouraging violence which is only going to make things worse rather than better. Where violence starts, learning and understanding stop!
tim gallagher says
Robin, one last comment. I hope you are right. I hope vast numbers of Muslims are leaving. I still contend that Muslims must know how vile Islam is. They must have a moral compass. Christianity, as one example, has a concept of “the golden rule”, such as “do unto others as you’d have them do to you”. It encourages a peaceful attitude even if we don’t always live up to it. Buddhism, though I know little about it, seems pretty tolerant. I don’t believe Islam has any such attitudes. To Islam, it’s the house of Islam (their fellow Muslims) and the house of war, the infidels. I think MUslims they get their poisonous attitudes from their family environment, the mosques, etc. It’s not a matter of whether they read the foul Koran for themselves or not, although it’d be great if they did. I also meet Muslims, have worked with Muslims, etc. A couple seemed OK, though I trust none of them. Thanks for your comments. I do hope you’re right. I am not bothered about encouraging violence against Islam. We cop endless violence, terrorism, rapes, etc from Islam. When it comes to Islam, I’m no pacifist. It won’t work. Mainly, I just say, keep Muslims out. Avoid the trouble they bring. And get very tough with Muslims who step out of line in our societies. Anyway, above all, I hope you are right and Islam is , indeed, going down the drain. That would be great. Ultimately, we have somewhat different views on the subject. I guess your attitude to Islam and Muslims is nicer and more mellow than mine is.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Linnte says
UK- here’s another Nation that I stopped caring and grieving about. Just like Sweden and most of the Western Europe, they did this to themselves.
Robin says
“They” don’t do anything. “They” consist of millions of individuals who do not all march to the same tune.
StellaSaidSo says
What is happening in UK and Europe is happening everywhere throughout the West, Linnte. The only difference is that some countries were targeted earlier, and they are therefore further advanced along the path to destruction. Wherever you are, it is only a matter of time.
This is a planned catastrophe. Powers that few people realise even exist have manipulated politicians and others in positions of influence for their own nefarious purposes. Our democratic processes have been corrupted to enable carefully selected candidates to take control of the legitimate levers of power, and facilitate the agenda of their masters. The Muslim hordes are merely a weapon employed to destabilise and impoverish the West, so that totalitarian global gov’t can be imposed on us.
Cheer Bear Girl says
Jihad is a tenant of Islam. Therefore Islam is terrorism. How thick can the terror watchdogs be?
Robin says
“Jihad is a tenant of Islam.”
Jihad is a TENET of Islam.
Jack Holan says
Max Hill QC what motive would you ascribe to each Terrorist Act that has taken place in the UK since 09/11/2001 NYC Have any in your mind had any connection to Islam? They certainly have have had an Islamic meaning to a large part of the Muslim World! If you don’t believe it something is either wrong with your ability to think or you’re an apologist for Ms May
Robin says
Jack – I explained further up here how these superiors are under the spell of a cultural relativist ideology and are unable to consider any other perspective because it would be “racist” (ever since “racism” was defeated in 1945). Only people who share this relativist ideology are allowed into controlling systems such as the pseudo-parliament and commissions.
Alpo says
It is fundamentally incorrect to consider Islam as a religion because it is just a ruling system, theocracy. And the Quran is a distorted plagiary of the Old Testament (and/or Torah) amended with plenty of perverted hallucinations of the bandit called Muhammed.