This verdict was no surprise. Nor was the thuggery that followed in its wake. The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law. It’s based on the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
Malaysia is “moderate,” so it didn’t mandate death for these apostates, but it certainly wasn’t going to allow them simply to register as Christians.
“Malaysian Federal Court refuses four people their right to affirm Christian identity,” by Matt K. George, World Watch Monitor, February 27, 2018 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):
Malaysia’s highest court dismissed an appeal today (27 February) against four appellants who wanted to be formally recognised as Christians.
The five judges of the Malaysian Federal Court ruled that in matters of conversion away from Islam, it was necessary for them to consult the Islamic Sharia courts.
The president of the court, Tan Sri Zulkefli Ahmad Makinudin, said the decision was unanimous.
He added that even though there are no specific provisions in the Sharia ordinance over conversions out of Islam, the religious court still has legal authority on what he termed “apostasy”.
The General Secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia, Herman Shastri said “We fear that we are at the threshold of the undoing of the Constitution so that it becomes compliant to Islamic laws of sharia and hudud.”
Raucous, unruly scenes and shouts of “Allahu akbar” (“Allah is the greatest”) greeted the decision as a mob surrounded the Catholic Archbishop of Kuching, Simon Peter Poh, outside the court complex. He was jostled while being escorted to his car amid fears that he might be assaulted….
MFritz says
Where (and once) they have the numbers there will always be a mob. But who starts the mob and who guides the mob. This ist most important aspect. It’s never spontaneous and it’s never accidentally.
Michael Copeland says
“The only power the muslim community possesses is to acknowledge and obey”
Ruling by AMJA
Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America
They obey instructions from the mosque.
Andy says
ISLAM VIOLENT RACIST AND HATEFUL SINCE 622AD.
Police, Lawyers, Teachers, PEOPLE LEARN Truth of Islam!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c–E87pL5_Y
J D S says
When the Courts, high or low, in the United States, adopt the same laws as the high Muslim court or in other words do as the Malaysian courts did…May I put forth the question ….
what are WE going to do???? Or will it, by then, already be too late.
I hope and pray to the Only True God that we never have to answer those questions.
WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY FACE TO FACE….
AND WE ARE IT,.!
Jack Holan says
You are so right. It’s always choreographed in advance. It must be said that Muslims are masters at propaganda, disinformation and rule of the mob. They know 90% of the World is the low information and will follow not out of conviction but spite against the 30-40 Democracies they believe owe them something. So they’re followers and Anti-West. Then we behold the Leftist World within our midst who prefer Our demise. If we ever promoted Sharia laws from Our own Religions or FGM, etc the Left would go INSANE. The fact that it comes from some “foreign element” “exotic” and “Romantic” in their minds and of course counter-culture, then this is the Fait Accompli of what WE Must Become., if we surrender! The House Of Israel will not Surrender. According to what I read regardless of the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury and the Prince nixed to be King Charles say or do; You have remained true to your convictions. I thank G-d for ROBERT and PAMELAS bravery standing to enlighten
Battle says
“Thou shall not murder,” is greater.
Wellington says
The “death for apostasy” provision alone should discredit Islam through and through, but there are, of course, many other heinous aspects (e.g., severe bodily harm or death for any criticism of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed) of this wretched faith that should ensure it finally be placed on the trash heap of history and thereafter function only on the fringe margins of societies along with other heinous losers like Marxism and Nazism.
Gjallarhornet says
In short: the notion many westerners have that if you don’t insult the prophet directly or intend to provoke muslims, everything will be fine … is downright wrong.
There is no such thing as a red line that just shouldn’t be crossed. Muslims are not only insulted by people who intend to insult them, but by almost EVERYTHING western. Like to dress in miniskirt? You insult the prophet! Like to get drunk? You insult the prophet! Like to print satire in your newspaper? You insult the prophet! Voted no to a muslim school in your municipality because the curriculum was not up to standard? You insult the prophet! And on it goes.
You’ll get the message – almost every thing we do in the western world, save from developing technology is an insult to the pious muslim. This illusion that the muslims will simply stop getting angry and coexist peacefully with us if they are not provoked is very, very dangerous. You ARE provoking them already – by not wanting to live under sharia. THAT is blasphemy under islamic jurisprudence, not just drawings of mohammed.
Jack Holan says
The cant be when Investment Bankers domiciled in Muslim Countries invest in Distilleries, Breweries, Fashion Houses, Gambling Casinos not to mention I’m sure their hotels don’t verify marital status or refuse rooms to two men!
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. For me, the apostasy ‘law’ and the ‘blasphemy’ ‘law’, both of which are *very* much alive and active within the Muslim ummah worldwide, informing and animating the actions of persons such as this mob in Malaysia, are the ‘deal-breaker’. They *should* – once it is grasped just how many bog-standard Muslims take those ‘laws’ seriously and would be inclined to enforce them upon apostates from Islam, and also upon any public critic of Islam, *anywhere* in the world – be sufficient cause for our free non-Islamic countries to absolutely *refuse* to admit Muslims inside our gates. They mark Islam as a cult-cum-crime syndicate that is murderously-inimical to freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. The risk involved in letting any card-carrying adherent of such an Organisation inside our gates, is just waaay too high.
The fatwa against Salman Rushdie, then after that, the public broad-daylight murder of Theo Van Gogh, the death threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Danish cartoon riots, the attempted murders of Lars Vilks and Kurt Westergaard, the attempted jihad raid on the Mohammed cartoons event, and the mass-murder of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, *should* EACH have triggered a total ban on Muslim immigration into ‘the west’, and expulsions of non-citizen Muslims, and internment of any citizenship-holding Muslim who was on any sort of ‘watch’ list.. with calls for the eventual expulsion and permanent exile of the latter, back to the dar al Islam.
Jack Holan says
Why haven’t articles been written about Obama’s bond to Islam disdain for Christianity Judaism Israel and Capitalism and reverence for a form of Communism
Eur says
“There is not compulsion in religion ” they use to say….. A hahahhahahahahahahahahaha, muslims are so fascists.
Gjallarhornet says
One of these days, a western counter-jihadi will go to a muslim country, convert – and insist he is instantly leaving islam. He’ll be arrested on the spot.
That will get his western government in a hell of fix, in their constant instance that islam is peaceful. Just imagine – here is one of their own, who is denied his rights to freely choose his religion. If this were to happen — the hypocrisy and violent constrains ingrained in islam would be made visible to all.
Blangwort says
Everywhere Islam takes over, the land turns in to a desert. I think we should let them do it to themselves. Then offer no assistance when they start going the way that Venezuela has.
Muslim2018 says
So this portion of the article the writer conveniently refuses to add – the deceptive practices to come into Islam to use Muslim women then leave the faith because of the divorce? This is treachery and not allowed in Islam. You can’t declare that Allah is the only one deserving to be worshiped and Muhammad is His Last Messenger then violate this oath in this manner.
“Three of the appellants – Mohamed Syafiq Abdullah, who has taken the name Tiong Choo Ting; Jenny Peter, who was formerly Nur Muzdhalifah Abdullah; and Salina Jau Abdullah – converted to Islam in order to marry Muslims.”
Islam is not a game, you can’t simply walk in and out.
Eur says
?????????
No religion is a game, it is very easy to understand … freedom. In Morocco every year dozens of people convert to island m to be able to marry his girlfriend who is from a Muslim family. In Morocco there are no civil marriages. It is very simple to understand, faith, religion, must be something personal, the law of a country should not be governed by religious principles. When Muslims have come to the West, that is their speech, that Islam is something personal and that it is the same as any other religion. Or is it a lie? Of course it is a lie. If you enter the website of any Islamic association in the West to be official, they write some principles … one of them is religious freedom, no one can be forced to remain in a religion … which is clearly violated systematically. Islam is a religious political movement, it always has been. Islam =theocracy.
Jack Holan says
What was Mohammed’s Mother and Fathers names?
Timothy McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
Mutt & Jeff…
gravenimage says
The repulsive “Muslim2018” wrote:
So this portion of the article the writer conveniently refuses to add – the deceptive practices to come into Islam to use Muslim women then leave the faith because of the divorce? This is treachery and not allowed in Islam. You can’t declare that Allah is the only one deserving to be worshiped and Muhammad is His Last Messenger then violate this oath in this manner.
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In other words, “Muslim2018” is affirming that there is no freedom of conscience in Islam.
Lina Joy certainly did not convert to marry a Muslim–she is a Malaysian former Muslim who converted to Christianity, and has never been able to leave.
In fact, *no* ethnic Malay is allowed to escape Islam in Malaysia, *by law*.
More:
“Three of the appellants – Mohamed Syafiq Abdullah, who has taken the name Tiong Choo Ting; Jenny Peter, who was formerly Nur Muzdhalifah Abdullah; and Salina Jau Abdullah – converted to Islam in order to marry Muslims.”
Islam is not a game, you can’t simply walk in and out.
…………………………….
It’s “not a game”–no, Muslims can *murder* anyone who tries to leave.
Is “Muslim2018” in favor of the murder of apostates from Islam?
Eur says
In the West there are civil marriages. Anyone can get married, form a family regardless of their religion. I can marry a Muslim woman, have children and educate them in humanistic values and then let them decide their lives. My country has been historically Catholic and here a couple who marries in the church has to manage papers to make that wedding legal in the courts. If they later decide to divorce they should do so in court because the Catholic Church does not recognize divorces (unless they accept that the marriage was null). If they decide to marry other people, they must do so civilly. All this seems logical to me, nobody obliges anyone to anything and freedom is respected. Christianity, Islam, Judaism … does not have to legally condition my life. If my girlfriend (imagine that she was a Muslim) and I decided to marry, you are nobody to prevent it … fascist.
StellaSaidSo says
@ Muslim2018
‘Islam is not a game. You can’t simply walk in and out.’
You’re right, it’s not a ‘game’. It’s a PRISON. That’s why ‘you can’t simply walk in and out.’
Gjallarhornet says
Very funny with muslim2018’s comment, with confirms islams totalitarian outlook and practice – “Islam is not a game, you can’t simply walk in and out” – and my own to slots above.
He just confirmed the obvious though, and was honest enough not to try to hide the horror of it all: if you leave, they’ll kill you. Plain and simple.
Now: can anybody think of a more evil and vile religion than one based on this?
PS: He is wrong that islam is not a game though. That’s what it is. It’s a mind fuck game, benefiting arab overlords.
gravenimage says
Exactly.
Benedict says
How on earth can it be the business of a court to decide who is a Muslim and who is not a Muslim?
The very moment a Muslim in front of a court proclaims that he doesn’t want to be registered as Muslim, he is eo ipso no longer a Muslim. The verdict of a court can do nothing about that. Will a piece of paper from the court or a passport from the police perhaps give the holder access to the carnal pleasures of paradise in the hereafter?
Jack Holan says
Enter Bazaro (Muslim) World! Coming soon to Europe, Scandinavia and the British Isles (Ireland)
Jack Holan says
Notice Russia proper , China, Japan Of 5000 Refugees they refused 4999, Parts Of South America that told the UN to take back the refugees that they disrespect their women, Religion and try to force Islam on them; they don’t have a problem.
Halal Bacon says
islam is thrush upon the west to keep citizens occupied – things were going too smooth, this way the focus will be away from the traitorous bastards – the so called elite – the emperor has no clothes
Halal Bacon says
and they can eat bacon
Eur says
The vast majority of Moroccans who have come to Spain drink beer … but they do it secretly. A Moroccan who drinks a beer is hidden from the sight of another Moroccan although this Moroccan also often drinks beer. It is totally paranoid. Another thing is Moroccan women. They do not drink or even think of going to a concert, or dancing or anything that is minimally funny. Moroccan Muslimas are slaves of their husbands.
dumbledoresarmy says
ALL Muslim women are slaves.
They are things, not people.
And Muslims believe that non-Muslims are there to be enslaved; that our lives, our freedoms, our property, are NOTHING. They feel totally entitled to kill us, to rape us, to rob us; Islam offers the heady pleasure of being able to indulge to the max all of humanity’s basest, most evil, most vicious desires, so long as the victim is not a Muslim.
Timothy McAlee, Sr. G.eD. says
Mutt & Jeff…
gravenimage says
Malaysia: Muslim mob screaming “Allahu akbar” surrounds Archbishop as court refuses to allow Muslims to leave Islam
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Barbarians–both the mob and the judge.
There is no freedom of conscience in Malaysia.
Lydia Church says
“…refuses to allow Muslims to leave Islam”
We must be cautious with the wording. No one can refuse to allow anyone to leave islam.
They converted to Christianity and thus they are Christians. They don’t need anyone’s stamp of approval, it is only between them and God and no one can define it otherwise in a reality sense.
As for the national ID cards and what religion is listed that is a different matter but that does not determine what your actual religion is. Yes, I understand that your choice of Christianity is on pain of death, and persecution for Christianity is another matter though which is based on that choice. Jesus told us we would be persecuted. But we are still the ones making the choices to consent to one thing or another based upon these external circumstances. It is our choice.
I heard a quote once, I forgot by whom and am too lazy to look it up but you folks can, it went something like this:
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”
And that is true in so many ways.
Yes, they can beat you, they can even kill you, but they can’t convince you that you are inferior without your consent, they can’t take away your human dignity unless you relinquish it yourself.
: )
dumbledoresarmy says
If they are genuinely converts from Islam to Christianity, they must flee from Malaysia. They will never be free or safe, within Malaysia.
They must also recognise that the Islamoaware know that Muslims are fakers, that Msulims lie; so they must be willing to serve out a long ‘probation’ period in whatever country of refuge they may find.
Matthieu Baudin says
The verdict is in – The friendly inhabitants of Malaysia do not enjoy the legal right to freedom of conscience. If the Malay population feel that they have an identity outside of the Arabic Islamic Creed then they will have to assert themselves to maintain it.
sidney penny says
“Malaysia is “moderate,” so it didn’t mandate death for these apostates, but it certainly wasn’t going to allow them simply to register as Christians.”
Yes it is MMM
MMM
Moderate, Modern Malaysia
They still have not found their plane MH370
sidney penny says
“The five judges of the Malaysian Federal Court ruled that in matters of conversion away from Islam, it was necessary for them to consult the Islamic Sharia courts.”
It really was not really a judgment but a copout.All the judges did was to refer the appellants to the Sharia Court and washed their hands of the matter.
StellaSaidSo says
After accepting years of Saudi money, Malaysia is now giving their masters what they paid for.