In this new video, I discuss the recent conversion to Islam of Arthur Wagner of the anti-immigration party AfD (Alliance for Germany).
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mortimersays
Arthur Wagner’s idea of MORALITY seems focussed on what GAY MEN do. Why is a faithful gay relationship LESS commendable than POLYGAMOUS ISLAMIC marriage with wife-beating and SEX SLAVERY?
Arthur Wagner is absurd because he jumps from the frying pan INTO THE FIRE.
Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the disbelievers (kufaar); Compassionate amongst themselves.”
Koran 48.29 is Islam’s counterpart as well as Islam’s counterpoint to the Golden Rule. Islam’s goal is the political supremacism of Muslims over disbelievers by whatever means possible including violence, extortion, enslavement, genocide, rape or deception. Koran 48.29 is a commandment to use violence against disbelievers.
QUESTION FOR WAGNER: IS THE ABOVE (violence, extortion, enslavement, genocide, rape or deception against disbelievers) … are those actions ‘MORAL’ to you Mr. Wagner?
Heidisays
@mortimer, maybe he is a weak character was looking for just that.
Phil Copsonsays
It’s just a childish “Now see what you’ve made me do…” reaction to feeling slighted – no real thought went into it, and he doesn’t expect ever to have to confront the question of what he would do if violence, extortion, enslavement etc, come his way.
The really interesting questions for the rest of are – which way will he run, and who will he turn to for help if it does ? and – (since we already know the answer to that) – should we bother ?
gravenimagesays
Good questions, Mortimer.
Wellingtonsays
Another concise and clear presentation by Robert Spencer.
Yes indeed, forced virtue is sham virtue. How fitting therefore that Islam “excels” in this kind of virtue since Islam itself, all of it, is a sham.
ankelei@gmail.comsays
All I said was “as always…Mortimer, you have the most eloquent words.
I admire your knowledge and thinking…
gravenimagesays
+1
Guy Forestersays
Great video Mr. Spencer. Enforced “virtue” relieves the individual of responsibility for his/her own actions.
Did anyone ever wonder if this guy was not really part of the movement, but was in reality a planted provocateur? In this case, “the narrow minded bigot sees the true light and validity of Islam. Poor benighted fellow follows the light, renounces the errors of his ways, and sees the rightness and compassion of Allah.” Please pass the barf bag, I am ready to puke.
Another weak attempt to discredit the growing movement of people that see what is really going on and want to put a stop to it.
PS: Some one check his before and after bank account or whether he now has one out of the country.
Segzysays
Always love reading your write-up, always punchy.
Dont stop sharing.
housemusic1@frontier.comsays
Great video Mr. Spencer..
CRUSADERsays
Wagner reminds one of that Nazi before being melted in “Indiana Jones’ movie…which took place in the Middle East….
Is Wagner this stupid? Or has he been bought and paid for . . . ?
Indiana Tomsays
Didn’t this Arthur Wagner star as the chief Nazi interrogator in the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark?
gravenimagesays
Robert Spencer video: AfD’s Arthur Wagner joins the Empire of Fear
………………………..
I very much take Robert Spencer’s points about Islam’s enforcing virtue through violence and the threat of violence–appalling–but I think there is also another point.
Spencer touched on this by noting that in Islam homosexuality is immoral, but *murder* is divinely sanctioned. In other words, it is not just that Islam enforces virtue–the question is what does Islam consider virtuous?
It is *not* the same as Christianity.
In Islam, a Muslim may be considered “chaste” if he marries up to four women–and this can include little prepubescent girls as young as nine.
This is because the “Prophet” married little Aisha when she was six, and began raping her when she was nine.
And these females need not consent to the marriage–forced marriage is rife in the Muslim world, and the “Prophet” himself said that “silence equals consent”. The Muslim marriage contract is *between men*, as the Mehram (owner), usually, the father, sells the girl to the husband.
A Muslim can beat his wives if he so much as “fears” disobedience from them. He can divorce them without cause simply by uttering the “Triple Talaq”–including the children. This is codified–Muslims can divorce wives who have not begun to menstruate.
The Muslim can then marry more women and girls.
And this just covers marriage–while under Islam you can be flogged or worse merely for dating, a Muslim can rape Infidel women in Jihad, and can keep any of them for use as sex slaves.
Meanwhile, rape *victims* can be stoned to death if they report their rape and are unable to produce four adult Muslim males who will tesify that they were raped–otherwise, reporting a rape is just taken as proof of having had sex outside marriage (Zina).
And while someone can have their limbs amputated just for petty theft, it is perfectly fine to rob, pirate, and kidnap and ransom Infidels. And again, this is on the model of the “perfect man” Muhammed.
They can conquer Infidels and enslave them.
And Muslims can mass murder Infidels in Jihad, as well as lie to them to lull them into a false sense of security. In fact, dying while slaughtering unbelievers is the sole sure way a Muslim can gain admission to Paradise.
So–it is not just that Islam enforces virtue through violence–it is the horrors of what it is they consider virtuous.
Nazis were admirers of Islam. Hitler said so and allied with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem!
Kephasays
Fair enough. I’ve never advocated nuking the entire Middle East, and if halal slaughter of animals and women wearing the hejab were all there was to Islamic practice, I’d be a staunch defender of their First Amendment Rights (I’m an American).
I am critical of Islam because I can see from the Qur’an itself how Muhammad twisted the little Scriptural knowledge he had, mixed it with perhaps second-hand accounts of apocryphal works and Jewish Midrash, and passed it all through a solvent of Arab tribal custom. It is clear that Muhammad thought he was honoring Christ by denying the reality of the crucifixion, when in fact, he was spitting in the face of a savior who said that he had come not to be served, but to serve, and give his life a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). The Qur’an insists that my Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary rather than the Father, Word/Son, and Holy Spirit. Sorry, but that’s wrong, wrong, wrong.
Also, since 9/11, it has become all the more clear that jihad is not merely incidental to Islam, but part of its warp and woof–A bit like Jeremiah’s calling on the exiles to pray for the shalom of the city to which they are taken and Paul’s calling on Christians to seek peace with all men as much as possible are part of the warp and woof of Christianity.
Still, if the Islamic world seeks to periodically send us those who’d drive buses into crowds, blow up buildings, and plot mass murder among us, I will at least understand the whackos who want to nuke the Middle East, even if I cannot join them.
wagner has joined the empire of comfort and felicity(islam)and no more the slave of the Satan (holy spirit) Who inspired mithraist christianity and idols of yahweh and his wife Ashera.
jay Boo, you are not comfortable with “Allahu Akbar(Allah Is Great) because the phrase frightenes the Satan (holy spirit) in yahweh Idol possessing you
Andysays
YOU and Islam are full of demonic spirits Ibrahim and have been blinded from the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ!
Ronensays
I really admire Mr. Spencer. He is one of the smartest and most humanistic people I know of.
Chandsays
A person might fall into a pit of depression, confusion about the state of the world, shame about his/her past actions or some such mental agony.
Now that person might reach out for some salvation, and seek a path, in books and philosophy perhaps.
Wagner was working with immigrants, as far as I remember and so he might have started to read the Koran.
And he got hooked!
Sometimes it seems that God, the Lord of all the worlds, Creator of Heaven and Earth, Himself is speaking as ‘We’ when one reads the Koran. It seems God is speaking to you directly.
Forget about all the references to Infidels and such. Infidelity only means not believing in the Truth being revealed by God. And how can God, the Holy and the Sacred not be defended, even with the sword, if necessary?
I’m talking about what feelings might occur to someone who reads the Koran with an open and inquisitive mind.
All other Semitic holy books speak about the Prophets and Messiahs and what they said. Thus Jesus said…………Moses said……………..
Only the Koran is the word of God Himself. Can you believe the awesomeness of this claim? The Great Lord God Himself has chosen to speak to insignificant mankind through His chosen Messenger!!!
And God can see through everybody and look directly into their hearts.
No intermediary human is necessary to communicate with God. God is everywhere and is accessible directly to all, right now and always. Just bow in submission, reverence and praise to The Almighty.
And on top of that, answers to all kinds of mundane day to day problems are also provided. It is a simple guidebook to live a human life.
Wagner just have found what he was seeking!
And Wagner might have reasoned that some passages of the book has to be read in context, as it was composed by a 7th Century A.D. Arab, caravan raider turned Prophet of God, living in his tribal culture. And they were brutal times with wars and violence a common occurrence.
Now I’m only speculating. I am an atheist.
FYIsays
“Only the koran is the word of God himself”???
That’s funny because allah .. 1.makes absurd theological errors 2.Disagrees with God’s official commandments and completely missed the 2 chief ones and 3 curses the Jews and the Christians.
allah curses the Jews because they are Jews and the Christians because they follow Jesus.
That makes no sense:that cannot be the word of God.
allah also tells muslims…”oh ye who believe!take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5:51
…a direct violation of the 2nd commandment.
allah contradicts the Biblical God.
A counterfeited copy of something is not the original.
There are no “semitic” books:it just happens that God has always selected His prophets from amongst the Jews.allah in contrast,curses the Jews and his self-appointed “prophet” muhammed was a mass-murder of Jews {Abu Dawud 4390}
I’m not speculating.I am an ex-atheist.
{ We know about the dissembling tricks taqqiya,tawriya,kitman and muruna used to promote islam.
They are easy to spot}
FYI, thé mithraist Bible in your hands is a collection of speculative myths 325 years after Jésus departure unlike the Quran recorded on the spot during revelations.
CogitoErgoSumsays
Thanks for the laugh, Ibrahim.
Carol (the 1st)says
Chand…reading in a 21st century context people like Wagner should think twice and speculate as to why Islam remains so problematic:
mortimer says
Arthur Wagner’s idea of MORALITY seems focussed on what GAY MEN do. Why is a faithful gay relationship LESS commendable than POLYGAMOUS ISLAMIC marriage with wife-beating and SEX SLAVERY?
Arthur Wagner is absurd because he jumps from the frying pan INTO THE FIRE.
Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the disbelievers (kufaar); Compassionate amongst themselves.”
Koran 48.29 is Islam’s counterpart as well as Islam’s counterpoint to the Golden Rule. Islam’s goal is the political supremacism of Muslims over disbelievers by whatever means possible including violence, extortion, enslavement, genocide, rape or deception. Koran 48.29 is a commandment to use violence against disbelievers.
QUESTION FOR WAGNER: IS THE ABOVE (violence, extortion, enslavement, genocide, rape or deception against disbelievers) … are those actions ‘MORAL’ to you Mr. Wagner?
Heidi says
@mortimer, maybe he is a weak character was looking for just that.
Phil Copson says
It’s just a childish “Now see what you’ve made me do…” reaction to feeling slighted – no real thought went into it, and he doesn’t expect ever to have to confront the question of what he would do if violence, extortion, enslavement etc, come his way.
The really interesting questions for the rest of are – which way will he run, and who will he turn to for help if it does ? and – (since we already know the answer to that) – should we bother ?
gravenimage says
Good questions, Mortimer.
Wellington says
Another concise and clear presentation by Robert Spencer.
Yes indeed, forced virtue is sham virtue. How fitting therefore that Islam “excels” in this kind of virtue since Islam itself, all of it, is a sham.
ankelei@gmail.com says
All I said was “as always…Mortimer, you have the most eloquent words.
I admire your knowledge and thinking…
gravenimage says
+1
Guy Forester says
Great video Mr. Spencer. Enforced “virtue” relieves the individual of responsibility for his/her own actions.
Did anyone ever wonder if this guy was not really part of the movement, but was in reality a planted provocateur? In this case, “the narrow minded bigot sees the true light and validity of Islam. Poor benighted fellow follows the light, renounces the errors of his ways, and sees the rightness and compassion of Allah.” Please pass the barf bag, I am ready to puke.
Another weak attempt to discredit the growing movement of people that see what is really going on and want to put a stop to it.
PS: Some one check his before and after bank account or whether he now has one out of the country.
Segzy says
Always love reading your write-up, always punchy.
Dont stop sharing.
housemusic1@frontier.com says
Great video Mr. Spencer..
CRUSADER says
Wagner reminds one of that Nazi before being melted in “Indiana Jones’ movie…which took place in the Middle East….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18
One wishes it were so….
Voytek Gagalka says
Islam: the Empire of Fear. I like such description. This Wagner don’t even realize in what minefield of goo he has stepped into.
Lloyd Miller says
Is Wagner this stupid? Or has he been bought and paid for . . . ?
Indiana Tom says
Didn’t this Arthur Wagner star as the chief Nazi interrogator in the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark?
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer video: AfD’s Arthur Wagner joins the Empire of Fear
………………………..
I very much take Robert Spencer’s points about Islam’s enforcing virtue through violence and the threat of violence–appalling–but I think there is also another point.
Spencer touched on this by noting that in Islam homosexuality is immoral, but *murder* is divinely sanctioned. In other words, it is not just that Islam enforces virtue–the question is what does Islam consider virtuous?
It is *not* the same as Christianity.
In Islam, a Muslim may be considered “chaste” if he marries up to four women–and this can include little prepubescent girls as young as nine.
This is because the “Prophet” married little Aisha when she was six, and began raping her when she was nine.
And these females need not consent to the marriage–forced marriage is rife in the Muslim world, and the “Prophet” himself said that “silence equals consent”. The Muslim marriage contract is *between men*, as the Mehram (owner), usually, the father, sells the girl to the husband.
A Muslim can beat his wives if he so much as “fears” disobedience from them. He can divorce them without cause simply by uttering the “Triple Talaq”–including the children. This is codified–Muslims can divorce wives who have not begun to menstruate.
The Muslim can then marry more women and girls.
And this just covers marriage–while under Islam you can be flogged or worse merely for dating, a Muslim can rape Infidel women in Jihad, and can keep any of them for use as sex slaves.
Meanwhile, rape *victims* can be stoned to death if they report their rape and are unable to produce four adult Muslim males who will tesify that they were raped–otherwise, reporting a rape is just taken as proof of having had sex outside marriage (Zina).
And while someone can have their limbs amputated just for petty theft, it is perfectly fine to rob, pirate, and kidnap and ransom Infidels. And again, this is on the model of the “perfect man” Muhammed.
They can conquer Infidels and enslave them.
And Muslims can mass murder Infidels in Jihad, as well as lie to them to lull them into a false sense of security. In fact, dying while slaughtering unbelievers is the sole sure way a Muslim can gain admission to Paradise.
So–it is not just that Islam enforces virtue through violence–it is the horrors of what it is they consider virtuous.
Lloyd Miller says
Nazis were admirers of Islam. Hitler said so and allied with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem!
Kepha says
Fair enough. I’ve never advocated nuking the entire Middle East, and if halal slaughter of animals and women wearing the hejab were all there was to Islamic practice, I’d be a staunch defender of their First Amendment Rights (I’m an American).
I am critical of Islam because I can see from the Qur’an itself how Muhammad twisted the little Scriptural knowledge he had, mixed it with perhaps second-hand accounts of apocryphal works and Jewish Midrash, and passed it all through a solvent of Arab tribal custom. It is clear that Muhammad thought he was honoring Christ by denying the reality of the crucifixion, when in fact, he was spitting in the face of a savior who said that he had come not to be served, but to serve, and give his life a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). The Qur’an insists that my Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary rather than the Father, Word/Son, and Holy Spirit. Sorry, but that’s wrong, wrong, wrong.
Also, since 9/11, it has become all the more clear that jihad is not merely incidental to Islam, but part of its warp and woof–A bit like Jeremiah’s calling on the exiles to pray for the shalom of the city to which they are taken and Paul’s calling on Christians to seek peace with all men as much as possible are part of the warp and woof of Christianity.
Still, if the Islamic world seeks to periodically send us those who’d drive buses into crowds, blow up buildings, and plot mass murder among us, I will at least understand the whackos who want to nuke the Middle East, even if I cannot join them.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
wagner has joined the empire of comfort and felicity(islam)and no more the slave of the Satan (holy spirit) Who inspired mithraist christianity and idols of yahweh and his wife Ashera.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
jay Boo, you are not comfortable with “Allahu Akbar(Allah Is Great) because the phrase frightenes the Satan (holy spirit) in yahweh Idol possessing you
Andy says
YOU and Islam are full of demonic spirits Ibrahim and have been blinded from the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ!
Ronen says
I really admire Mr. Spencer. He is one of the smartest and most humanistic people I know of.
Chand says
A person might fall into a pit of depression, confusion about the state of the world, shame about his/her past actions or some such mental agony.
Now that person might reach out for some salvation, and seek a path, in books and philosophy perhaps.
Wagner was working with immigrants, as far as I remember and so he might have started to read the Koran.
And he got hooked!
Sometimes it seems that God, the Lord of all the worlds, Creator of Heaven and Earth, Himself is speaking as ‘We’ when one reads the Koran. It seems God is speaking to you directly.
Forget about all the references to Infidels and such. Infidelity only means not believing in the Truth being revealed by God. And how can God, the Holy and the Sacred not be defended, even with the sword, if necessary?
I’m talking about what feelings might occur to someone who reads the Koran with an open and inquisitive mind.
All other Semitic holy books speak about the Prophets and Messiahs and what they said. Thus Jesus said…………Moses said……………..
Only the Koran is the word of God Himself. Can you believe the awesomeness of this claim? The Great Lord God Himself has chosen to speak to insignificant mankind through His chosen Messenger!!!
And God can see through everybody and look directly into their hearts.
No intermediary human is necessary to communicate with God. God is everywhere and is accessible directly to all, right now and always. Just bow in submission, reverence and praise to The Almighty.
And on top of that, answers to all kinds of mundane day to day problems are also provided. It is a simple guidebook to live a human life.
Wagner just have found what he was seeking!
And Wagner might have reasoned that some passages of the book has to be read in context, as it was composed by a 7th Century A.D. Arab, caravan raider turned Prophet of God, living in his tribal culture. And they were brutal times with wars and violence a common occurrence.
Now I’m only speculating. I am an atheist.
FYI says
“Only the koran is the word of God himself”???
That’s funny because allah .. 1.makes absurd theological errors 2.Disagrees with God’s official commandments and completely missed the 2 chief ones and 3 curses the Jews and the Christians.
allah curses the Jews because they are Jews and the Christians because they follow Jesus.
That makes no sense:that cannot be the word of God.
allah also tells muslims…”oh ye who believe!take not the Jews and Christians for friends”
koran 5:51
…a direct violation of the 2nd commandment.
allah contradicts the Biblical God.
A counterfeited copy of something is not the original.
There are no “semitic” books:it just happens that God has always selected His prophets from amongst the Jews.allah in contrast,curses the Jews and his self-appointed “prophet” muhammed was a mass-murder of Jews {Abu Dawud 4390}
I’m not speculating.I am an ex-atheist.
{ We know about the dissembling tricks taqqiya,tawriya,kitman and muruna used to promote islam.
They are easy to spot}
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
FYI, thé mithraist Bible in your hands is a collection of speculative myths 325 years after Jésus departure unlike the Quran recorded on the spot during revelations.
CogitoErgoSum says
Thanks for the laugh, Ibrahim.
Carol (the 1st) says
Chand…reading in a 21st century context people like Wagner should think twice and speculate as to why Islam remains so problematic:
Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJnW8HRHLLw
FYI says
In this case it looks like the German equivalent of something out of the Benny Hill Show has found “allah”.
{Cue music}