Lord Pearson dares to grasp the third rail and ask if there is anything in the Qur’an that could explain the phenomenon of Muslim rape gangs (yes; see 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50 and 70:30), and if the government will ask Muslim leaders to issue a fatwa against it. “Can we talk about Islam without being accused of hate crime?”
Note the answer he gets from Conservative Party spokesman Lord Young. Young first claims that the sexual exploitation of children is not limited to any particular race or religion. That’s true, of course, but when thousands of British girls have been raped and trafficked by Muslim men for decades, it is a spectacular evasion of what is the real problem. Nonetheless, the witless dhimmi lords shower Young with “hear hears,” and do it again when he warns that we must be careful with our language on this matter — meaning that we should be careful to say (falsely) that rape gang activity has nothing to do with Islam.
Then Young shifts focus to Muslims as victims based on an alleged hate incident, asserts (falsely) that there is nothing in the Qur’an that justifies rape gang activity (see the verses above), and claims that respect for women is inherent in Islam. He alludes to a hadith in which Muhammad is depicted as saying that Paradise is at the feet of the mother. He doesn’t quote the Hadith in which Muhammad is shown saying that most people in hell are women, because they are defective in piety and intelligence. Nor does he refer to the Qur’an’s sanction of wife-beating (4:34), its devaluation of a woman’s testimony (2:282) and inheritance rights (4:11), etc.
Lord Young represents the disconnection from reality, fantasy and wishful thinking about Islam that prevail at the highest levels in Britain, and that are leading that nation rapidly to ruin.
(Thanks to Tundra Tabloids)
Jayell says
Why is this pathetic idiot asking these antediluvian Islamic savages to issue a ‘fatwa’? They’re not supposed to control the UK, and their ‘fatwas’ aren’t part of the UK social or legal system. It’s supposed to be HIS job (and the rest of these useless, gutless charlatans in Parliament) to use established UK law to take these gangs to pieces. Now we see these irresponsible, spineless fools for what they really are.
Gwen says
I took the fatwa reference as a sarcastic rhetorical question. British gallows humour.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Could be, but with the rape and abuse of so many thousands I don’t think any humour whatsoever is appropriate.
Thundering, unforgiving RAGE is what’s needed.
And needed right f***ing now.
thesailor says
+1
Carol (the 1st) says
Here you have an English Lord (Pearson) daring to publicly prod H Y P O C R I S Y and he thus should *not* be called a “pathetic idiot”. He likely mentions “fatwa” in order to point out the fact this will *not* occur as Islam proper does *not* punish those who actually understand and follow the letter of the law. The lack of passionate anger and resolve is frustrating – these fine specimens look obsessed with “gentility” and long overdue for nursing homes.
Lord Young is the real idiot, daring to moralize about those he implies “jump to conclusions”. Meanwhile in the nitty gritty world adolescent English and Sikh girls are systematically demeaned and brutalized by third-world “SOUNDERS OF SWINE”. But never fear – Lord Young will send delegations of muslims to figure out what’s been misunderstood etc. Clever man that.
Creole Gumbo says
Humor has no place in this type of discussion. It is like giving a deposition. You never give humorous answers because the humor and body language does not come across in the written transcript.
JACINTE says
I did too.
Brendan Cleary says
I’m pretty sure the questioner was being entirely sardonic in the asking of his question. He drew the appropriately idiotic response from Young that you’d expect from a privileged dill hoping that he would be the last to be chucked into the croc pit!
Save Europe says
Completely correct Brendan.
StellaSaidSo says
Tommy Robinson talks to Lord Pearson –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjks3fmajM
Terry Gain says
I see nothing wrong with LorsD Pearspn asking the Muslim community to issue a Fatwa against rape. If they refuse to do so, their refusal to do anything about this monstrous crime will be on the record. Lord Young deserves all of the anger you have directed at someone in the House of Lords who is willing to say that the existence of Muslim rape gangs is so prevalent a Fatwa from the Muslim hierarchy is called for.
gravenimage says
Agreed Terry.
Of course, no pious Muslim could ever issue a Fatwa against the rape of Infidels in Jihad.
LeftisruiningCanada says
They will likely respond with their same pathetic, tired, yet horrifyingly effective, cries of hate, islamophobia and angry/whimpering offense.
They will be shocked and amazed that their own fine selves, and even their religion, could be so maligned. They will be loud in their denunciations of the insidious structural racism upon which the British nation operates.
All of this will of course be allowed to divert the conversation away from the point. But then, everything is about the muslims and their feelings anyway, so i guess that’s ok.
Ray Jarman says
Hey Folks, I don’t understand why in the world would a British MP or any other British official request from a religious, or cult, to issue anything. It is not their job to protect the public and not any religious leader even if the said leader was a genuine patriot viz. cult leader who is an advocate of violating the law in question?
I am losing faith in our leaders as I am sure that it would not be too difficult to eradicate these thugs and their propensity to rape and traffic young girls. I mentioned once before about a community watch but now I think that the only recourse is to form vigilantes especially in the estates. I have a daughter and if she had been gang raped like these poor girls, I would probably be sitting in jail because I would certainly seek revenge.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I disagree. The man’s heart is certainly in the right place. He’s raising the issue of rape and sexual exploitation of women as it relates to Islam, and his fellows shame him for it. For that I applaud him.
It would have great if he would have been armed with some of the facts that Spencer can readily deploy, and as eloquently, so that he could have responded with some conviction and force to that politically correct asshat that replied to him.
But again, in that house today it obviously takes courage to raise the issue as it relates to Islam specifically and he’s to be commended for it.
But I think any suggestion or talk whatsoever about asking Muzz for any sort of “fatwa” only displays groveling impotence. It shows weakness and a defeatist posture. I would’ve hoped a request like that would never be made in such a place.
mortimer says
LORD PEARSON obviously already KNOWS the answers to his questions … as a competent prosecutor does! HE KNOWS RAPE is DECREED by Allah in the Koran and RAPE is approved by Mohammed in the hadiths as well as the canonical commentaries and in Sharia law.
ISLAM PERMITS THE RAPE OF KAFIR WOMEN. Just don’t do it to a Muslim.
Phillip says
If we are afraid now of speaking up against Islam, what is it going to like 10 years from now ?
Jayell says
“I see nothing wrong with Lord Pearson asking the Muslim community to issue a Fatwa against rape. If they refuse to do so, their refusal to do anything about this monstrous crime will be on the record.”
Sorry, I disagree. This idea should never have entered anyone’s head, even as a joke. It suggests an underlying willingness to give up responsibility and proper authority. The trouble is that this has already happened not only in Telford but in Rotherham and all around the country. We do NOT want to hear this idea suggested in any way at all in Parliament.
andra says
You should keep in mind that the UK have already given up the responsibility and authority. In the UK there are more than 80 legal sharia courts.
I think it is great to dare them like this, because – as others have already pointed out here – the Muslims will never issue a Fatwah against Sharia law. – And that could open some British eyes.
In Germany the Muslims are very often demanded to go to the streets against Islamic Terror. Naturally they do not, because 80% aprove of it. But this also shows the sleep-sheep that Islam is protectin terror against Kafir, especially when they go to the streets by thousands to ralley against the freedom of spreech or arts (Muhamed caricatures etc.)
With an enemy who is allowed to lie and kill by his ideology you need dirty tricks to Show their true character.
Anne Smith says
You apparently misunderstand the English method of exposing crime and depravity by gentle mocking and questions.
Lord Pearson is using a subtle and effective method to draw attention to the fact that no-one in the Muslim community has gone on record as condemning rape gangs nor done anything effective to try to put an end to it.
Lord Pearson is a superb individual and is very much on the right side. He needs all our support.
Lord Young, on the other hand, by his blustering and stupid answer has exposed himself as a very ignorant shill of the Government.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Anne Smith, I certainly think that method has its place.
Jayell, I would say like many of us, has lost all patience with those in government. They have failed and their failure has cost way to many lives and futures of innocent girls and boys already. They have allowed the scum of the Earth to set the rules.
In light of that, I think his anger and frustration are perfectly warranted and should be expected and supported.
Having said that I’m proud of Lord Pearson for saying most of what he said. He challenged the foul, stinking politically correct scumbags in that chamber. Maybe that ripple will become a tsunami of justice that’s way overdue.
But the time for gentle mocking and questions is over, if there ever was a time for it at all.
As I said yesterday, thundering, unforgiving RAGE is what’s needed now. The angry men and women of Britannia, of all the West, that have right on their side, need to and will take charge.
Save Europe says
Spot on Terry ?
Carol (the 1st) says
Of course Lord Pearson is only making a point – that NO fatwa will be issued. He would surely not be standing in chambers seriously suggesting fatwa – less genteely known as “free-for-all head-hunting for the greater protection and glory of Islam”.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes. It should not be forgotten that Malcolm Lord Pearson, Earl of Rannoch, is one of those few Peers who had the guts to invite Geert Wilders to visit the UK to discuss the subject of Islam. Another Peer who is quite Islamosavvy is Baroness Caroline Cox.
I would encourage ALL UK jihadwatchers to communicate with Lord Pearson and express support. If you like, ask him whether he has read Rev Dr Mark Durie’s “The Third Choice”; also ask him whether he has read ex-Muslim Sam Solomon’s “Al HIjra: the Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”, which sets out the Muslim infiltrate-subvert-attack-overthrow tactic very clearly, with copious documentation and historical examples. Also ask him if he has himself read the report on the UK Grooming Gangs – “EAsy Meat” or – another useful book – ex-Muslim Ibn Warraq’s “The Islam in Islamic Terrorism”.
Equip him, encourage him, get behind him and PUSH. If you’re Christian, pray for him!
Make the most of *whoever* in public life is prepared to stick their head above the parapet.
And … look very very carefully at every non-Islamic member of the House of Peers. Because they don’t have to worry about being unelected, and are therefore less vulnerable to the threat/ carrot of the Muslim bloc vote. See whether there are *any* – whether among the Life Peers, or the Hereditary Peers – who show signs of being leery of Islam. And if you find some… find ways to *encourage* them…
Carol (the 1st) says
Skip to the Islam link and see some of what Lord Rannoch has been experiencing from Islamophiles within the ranks (one of which is Sayeeda Warsi MP):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Pearson,_Baron_Pearson_of_Rannoch
Carol (the 1st) says
Email: contactholmember@parliament.uk
Address him as: Dear Lord Pearson of Rannoch
End with: Yours sincerely
JW_Reader says
Ironically, you can see Sayeeda Warsi, a muslim MP right behind Lord Young. She is a loud mouth Islamist resigned over Gaza issue. She is married to her first cousin from Pakistan.
Carol (the 1st) says
She is married to her first cousin from Pakistan
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Isn’t this another blatant example of the lack of morals and just plain decency in the ummah? For at least a century we’ve known of the bad odds when the gene pool is too limited and yet they continue on with first cousin marriages and damaged offspring.
Roderick MacUalraig says
I appreciate your aggression. I think it’s warranted. I disagree about the groveling request for any sort of edict from the Pisslamic scholars, as you do.
I would not say Lord Pearson is an idiot. I think that particular thing he said was regrettable. I do agree with the other things he said. And I admire that he’s willing to say them when faced with such imbecilic resistance.
Even the top fighters for human rights in that house lack forcefulness we can see. But I’m proud of him for the meager effort.
Michael Warden says
These comments by a “noble Lord” show the complete ignorance of the British ruling class.
I have suggested – to no avail – to my MP, that a course of watching Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc would at keast give them a working knowledge of Islam and its consequences .
Carol (the 1st) says
Speaking of Ayaan – her mother was a very disgruntled home-bound woman while the father went about furthering his causes. Ayaan and her sister would tell their father how they wished to travel about freely as he did and he would reply that “Heaven lies at the feet of your mother”. The sisters would then look at their mothers bare feet – worn and rough from scrubbing floors each day – and then look at their father’s Italian-made shoes and burst out laughing.
adams says
You are very unkind to lord P . it takes a great deal of courage to ask the question he did and it highlights the cloud cuckoo land the Lords house inhabit . Also the Imams have the power to stop this rape but it can be seen that they will not do so . The British Police will do nothing as we have seen .
Anne Smith says
This excellent speech by Lord Pearson serves to show that not only is he well informed on the Koran and the tenets of Islam but that he is well aware of how it intends to take over the UK. Well worth reading.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2017-12-07c.1261.0
StellaSaidSo says
Thankyou for the link, Anne. I agree, it is an excellent speech, though I would point out that he is wrongly advised re the Rohingya, who are in fact the aggressors, not the victims. Lord P certainly understands both the intentions of Islam, and the significance of the UK Muslim birth-rate.
LeftisruiningCanada says
If the rape and abuse of kuffar girls is sunna, do the imams really the power to stop it?
Forbidding that which mohammad allowed and practiced would seriously undermine any imam’s standing amongst his aggressive tribalistic community, who, if the fatwa applied them at all, are clearly vicious enough to attack one of their own if he started compromising.
Perhaps that is what Lord Pearson was getting at?
J D S says
Yes…a fatwa from the Muslims sanctioned by British? Now what is this? Sounds like they are turning over their government to muslims
When it comes to rape…well what about all the other atrocities found in islam…more request for fatwas on the way?
Seems like Islam has a lot of paganism sex in it…Does the government’s of the world not see this? And are they never going yo do anything about a so called religion that is a 100% reverse of established God based religion worldwide? God is watching what the world is and is not doing. God is not mocked!
John says
Well said……bravo !!!
Save Europe says
I have to agree with Gwen, below, totally – albeit it wasn’t meant humorously but sarcastically. This bloke does understand Islam, and is a very rare dissenting voice. What he was trying to do, was to get Fatwas issued denouncing rape….yet knowing full well it wouldn’t happen – thus, proving his point. Islam endorses rape.
Fred Parsons says
I’m so glad that my ancestors left england
JACINTE says
How ridiculous this politician is! He is totally blind to the numerous rapes that take place all over Europe BY MUSLIMS, by muslims. So perhaps if he thinks there is nothing in the quran about this, WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THEY ARE AN EVIL PEOPLE and should not be allowed in civilized countries. Period.
StellaSaidSo says
Tommy Robinson talks to Lord Pearson –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjks3fmajM
Richard Holroyd says
flame throwers……they mayaswell get used to it.
MFritz says
The only fatwa they will issue is against him for asking this question.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Lol, probably right. The nerve on this guy. But as Jayell said above, it’s wasted breath, a pathetic waste of time and words on the floor of what is supposed to be a soundly functioning legislative house.
But it seems this legislative body has allowed the laws and the greatnesses of ?? to be shat all over by Pisslam, and are content to have it so.
God bless Tommy Robinson, one of the last lions of ??. He does more for the cause of liberty in that land than these idiots ever could.
Save Europe says
Paul Weston is another great.
dumbledoresarmy says
And Gavin Boby, of the “Law and Freedom Foundation’, aka ‘mosque-busters’… ALL UK jihadwatchers should be members of his Foundation, and out there in the trenches, opposing *every* proposal to build yet another mohammedan fort anywhere in the UK.
And Peter McLoughlin, who wrote the damning study, “Easy Meat”, about the Grooming Gangs.
And Anne-Marie Waters, of “For Britain”.
And a man named Alan Craig, in London, who has courageously fought tooth and nail for years, via the courts and community activism, to kill a proposal by Tablighi Jamaat to build an absolutely enormous and hideous excrescence of a mosque – **bigger than St Paul’s**!! – in London. Look him up.
British jihadwatchers should NOT be passively paralysed; they must try to find ways of supporting and encouraging people like this.
Your front-line warriors are out there on the firing line; get behind them.
Maran Atha says
Your comments are spot on, Mr. Spenser. The way is truly being paved to make any protest against Islam a ‘hate’ comment. Meanwhile, Brexit is being delayed by every means possible whilst more and more economic refugees (usually male) are quietly secreted into our country. It is easy to see the way ‘a one world government’ is already in the making. The action of our government in most respects no longer represents the majority of those who voted for Brexit, and any individual, or organisation who DARES to raise their heads above the parapet faces the possibility of having criminal charges brought against them, and possibly incarceration. Evil continues to prosper when good men (or women) do nothing.
Richard Holroyd says
unfortunately you and i know it will happen…the Bible says so. The only escape is through Jesus Christ who WILL have His Day……make my day!!
Wellington says
And the Conservative Party in the UK is the saner of the two major parties in said country.
Oh yeah. Trouble now. Much more ahead. Easy call.
gravenimage says
Yes–as appalling as Theresa May and the “Conservatives” are in the UK, Jeremy Corbyn and Labour is even worse. Hard to believe this is possible sometimes, though…
Save Europe says
I only wish people had got behind Paul Weston and Liberty GB, when they had the chance….
LeftisruiningCanada says
It is hard to see much light up ahead to be sure to be sure.
StellaSaidSo says
Yes, it is hard to see much light up ahead.
Nevertheless, I remain hopeful that Theresa May will soon be replaced by Jacob Rees-Mogg, who will extricate Britain from the chains of the EU and restore his country’s sovereignty. But I would not blame him if he declined the job. Anyone who opposes the EU agenda has a target on his back.
In the longer term, the growing support for minor parties like Anne Marie Waters’ FOR BRITAIN, BRITAIN FIRST, and the revived UKIP under Gerard Batten’s leadership, gives us reason for optimism.
Also, the British people are waking up to the reality of Islam as the truth becomes harder for the authorities and the craven media to conceal. Sadiq Khan’s true colours are obvious now to all but the comatose, and the recent detention of Martin Sellner, Brittany Pettibone, and Lauren Southern has occasioned renewed focus on the vital issue of freedom of speech.
It’s not exactly dazzling, but there is a little light ahead!
LeftisruiningCanada says
Good one Stella, thanks for that.
There would be joy in the presence of freedom lovers everywhere if your man there took over from UK’s Merkel.
And yes, the detention of those three young and not unattractive people, combined with easy internet searches for their materials, should do quite a bit of good you would hope.
Has that story been much about the media in the UK?
thesailor says
Yes. I think this recent despicably despotic destruction of Free Speech may well prove to be a final straw in turning the ordinary Brits against their despicably despotic government. It was so blatantly unfair and unwarranted that it could, hopefully, really tug at the Briton’s sense of fair play and honour.
Even a Lefty would find it hard to justify the treatment of those people, never mind a normal human. I do rather think that the issue of Free Speech may well prove to be a much greater stumbling block for the elites than their arse-licking of the Muslims.
thesailor says
To add to my comment, I must say, as an Englishman, that the thought of being unable to stand up at Speaker’s Corner and say what I like really does make my blood run cold.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Certainly some light ahead, I would totally agree. The young people you mentioned, they bring a renewed sense of optimism in the never ending fight against totalitarianism to be certain. Good of you to mention them. Fine words, Stella.
Wellington says
I like and appreciate your optimism, Stella. Besides, what’s the alternative? Better to struggle and go down fighting than be a subservient dhimmi. And hell, we might win.
abad says
The UK made a HUGE mistake in allowing Moslems in – Islam has no place in UK society. They should all be rounded up and deported to Syria.
Anne Smith says
Unfortunately it’s a bit late for that as so many have been now been born here and therefore have British citizenship, unfortunately.
However, there is a good argument for deporting those who declared allegiance to ISIS to a Muslim country, instead of welcoming them back into our country as advocated by the UK’s Independent Reviewer of Terrorism, Max Hill QC, who called them our “lost generation” and said they were only guilty of “naivety”. Perhaps their families should be deported with them.
Mr Hill needs to get out a bit more and visit the War Graves in Europe and round the world if he wants to see a “lost generation”. A few disaffected children of Pakistani immigrants hardly qualify for such an exalted description.
Save Europe says
….plus certainly those with dual nationality, and those who weren’t originally British, but received British citizenship could have them rescinded and deported back to their country of origin, legally, when caught raping or attempting to commit terrorism.
supatrumps says
Quite right, you’re bloody well right. You’ve got the bloody right to say
Save Europe says
Have you been watching too many Hugh Grant films, y’all?
Georg says
Draws parity between the rape of potentially over 1 million children, targeted for their ethnicity, and a nasty leaflet which may or may not be fallacious (planted by a Muslim). It’s wretched to watch Baroness Warsi behind him [the State] shaking her head not at the rape of the children by Muslim men but at the kafir acknowledging it; her smirking and restrained glee convey quite a lot as well. We are witness to evil.
gravenimage says
True, Georg.
Garfield says
I really think the world needs to ask what qualifies as a religion and what doesn’t. Islam is a perverted death cult run like a Mafia.
As long as governments deny what’s in the Koran and cover for Islams lies how can real progress be made in getting rid of the mental illness that is Islam?
Terry Gain says
Garfield
When it comes to Islam, the western world is in a state of deniall. Unfortunately things are going to have to get worse before they get better.
Georg says
“I really think the world needs to ask what qualifies as a religion and what doesn’t.”
Bingo.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Yes, exactly right.
islam currently enjoys sharing a term which most everybody in the West defines very differently from how muslims do.
I do believe they know this only too well.
dumbledoresarmy says
Or just recognise it as an *evil* religion, that needs to be thrown in the bin.
The cult of Moloch, among the Canaanites and the Carthaginians, was appallingly evil.
The Thuggee cult was evil, and was very rightly and justly suppressed by the British Raj.
The Aztec mass-murder-and-human-sacrifice cult was evil; so evil that the Aztecs’ neighbours, who had suffered their depredations, were mostly pretty relieved when the Aztecs went down before the Conquistadors.
Islam *deserves* to be suppressed, to be shunned, to be *quarantined*.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Either option is better than the current situation !
Granddaddy says
“Can we talk about Islam without being accused of hate crime?”
I think that’s the real question. Good for Lord Pearson.
PRCS says
That’s what caught my attention, too.
Don’t know how much Lord Pearson actually knows about Islam, but that’s the first time I’ve heard a politician ask that question.
PRCS says
Well, after watching that video again, Lord Pearson made clear what he DOESN’T understand, with this::
“white and Sikh girls”
LeftisruiningCanada says
Back in the late 80’s and during the 90’s, a lot of little Sikh girls were the main victims of the muslim sex slave gangs. That community was the first to bring the muslims sex gangs to public attention.
Not the same now of course, but the guy was probably just trying to cover everything. Might have been better to distinguish between the groups, since MANY more white girls have now been attacked….but it also might not have been the best idea to leave the Sikh victims out altogether.
PRCS says
Yes, as he is–unwittingly or not–conflating race with belief.
LeftisruiningCanada says
Quite right.
Anne Smith says
He is obviously acutely aware that the Muslim gangs targeted girls from any religious group but their own, which would be forbidden under Sharia.
Any other religious group are fair game.
thesailor says
+1
gravenimage says
UK Lord asks government to ask Muslim leaders to issue fatwa against rape gangs, gets lies in response
…………………………
Good for Lord Pearson. Sadly, I am not surprised by the response he got, though.
Save Europe says
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Ed Lee says
There are only two possible explanations for Lord Young saying that there is nothing in the Qur’an that justifies rape gang activity, and that respect for women is inherent in Islam. Either he has not read the Qur’an or he’s lying. The first means he’s irresponsible; the second means he’s a collaborator.
Terry Gain says
Well said.
gravenimage says
True, Ed.
PRCS says
In addition to possibly having not read Qur’an (and even less likely any of the Sunn’ah), it’s possible, even more so perhaps, that Muslims have intentionally misinformed him about Islam–leaving him to believe he’s actually telling the truth.
StellaSaidSo says
I think this is the most likely scenario, PRCS. Politicians of all stripes have long relied on self-appointed Muslim ‘experts’ for their ‘information’ on Islam.
PRCS says
I agree.
Too bad they didn’t realize Anjem Choudary was/is telling the truth.
Michael Copeland says
Indeed,PRCS.
“We have people we can go to” (about Islam), said a UK Parliamentarian. Those will, of course, be muslims exercising taqiyya.
Blair and Cameron were advised by Tariq Ramadan: enough said.
The UK Parliament has been expertly misinformed for years.
PRCS says
Agree!
thesailor says
Have these politicians not discovered the internet yet? I have never read the Koran, the hadiths or any of the rest of it, but I have read sufficient words from many people who clearly do have a detailed understanding of islam, and enough news items of its behaviour, and enough blatant lies from its supporters, that even my small brain can piece together an overall picture that tells me it is not a religion, it is not civilised, it is not peaceful, and it really should be put down like a rabid dog for the threat it poses to civilised humanity.
PRCS says
Good point.
I disagree with Robert Spencer in this regard:
With your Internet question in mind, while some law enforcement personnel are prevented by regulations/polices/rules//procedures, etc., from citing Islam’s teachings in the course of their work–there’s no reason to believe they don’t use their personal computers to educate themselves.
It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that many of them visit JW as you and I do.
Politicians, though? Hmm.
Carol (the 1st) says
My guess is that these “leaders” are obviously following the runaway visionary train of the world banking robot (the New York, London, Rome triangle). They want to keep their illusions of “power and position” whilst publicly pretending they are convinced Santa is on his way. The plebes, of course, need merely keep their heads lowered patiently and all will be well (unless, of course, THEY screw up the rails). History is being written as we speak.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Look at how Mr Spencer have twisted Quranic verses and Hadith to lie against islam ? The Quranic verses and Hadith he referred to do not even remotely suggest that gang rape is justified in islam. Rape is a capital offence punissable with death under sharia. How can It be okayed by the Quran and Hadith ? Such heaps of ignorant lies Will not even help his mission of hate campaigns against muslims in the West
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
That is why many intellectuals dismissed Mr Spencer’s criticisms against islam as fantastic rubbish, not even thought-provoking
don vito says
itace, only the inbred sharia believing intellectuals like yourself. They are all abnormal, your insane rantings are the proof.
Save Europe says
Rape isn’t a capital offence when it involves non Muslims as the victims, is it Ibrahim!?
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Look at how Mr Spencer have twisted Quranic verses and Hadith to lie against islam ? The Quranic verses and Hadith he referred to do not even remotely suggest that gang rape is justified in islam. Rape is a capital offence punissable with death under sharia. How can It be okayed by the Quran and Hadith ? Such heaps of ignorant lies Will not even help his mission of hate campaigns against muslims in the West
That is why many intellectuals dismissed Mr Spencer’s criticisms against islam as fantastic rubbish, not even thought-provoking
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This is just absurd. The “Prophet” himself was involved in the gang rape of captives. In fact, he even chided his thuggish companions for *not* raping their captives (when they were concerned about ransom).
Moreover, Ibrahim itace muhammed *himself* has affirmed that Muslims can rape Infidel women in Jihad and use them as sex slaves.
Rape is only punishible in Islam if the victim is Muslim–and it is rare even then. More often the rape victim is imprisoned or even killed if she reports it.
And note that he does not explain why so many of his coreligionists are sexually assaulting and raping Infidels all over Europe.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
ignorant Satan worshiper Gravenimage,is sex with slave à rape ?churchmen did it. where does sharia says Muslims to have sex with slaves as gang ? what is gang ? where does sharia say rape is punishable with death only when It is done to muslim lady ? Even having sex with animals (bestiality) is punishable with death under sharia.
don vito says
itace, your religious bigotry is causing you to lie. You know that anything that advances the islamic cause is halal. Even though sex with animals is beastly, it does promote islam, therefore is permitted. As for as the rest of what you wrote is concerned, still trying to get it translated.
LeftisruiningCanada says
You really should start trying to begin comments addressed to individuals without prefixing them with insults.
Just a recommendation you understand, as i wouldn’t want to spoil your already winning style of conversation.
“,is sex with slave à rape?”
Of course it is.
“churchmen did it.”
Proof please. And even if some did do that, it would still be very very wrong. Do you think that by trying to draw our attention away to other evil acts, that we will suddenly realize how benign, or at least equally evil, islam is? Why do you always leap directly into making excuses for your own religion, by pointing out the same filthy behaviors in another?
Have you ever wondered about that?
“where does sharia says Muslims to have sex with slaves as gang ?
You are all one big gang, and mohammed is your leader.
“what is gang ?”
You tell me.
Save Europe says
Look at how Mr Spencer have twisted Quranic verses and Hadith to lie against islam ?
+++++++++
Have?
Is there more than one Mr Spencer, you pillock!!!!????
CRUSADER says
Muslims, for the most part, are DECEIVERS !!!
Their Crescent symbol is really a forked tongue….only, disguised.
Carol (the 1st) says
Or a bull’s horns – camouflaged by “lying” on its side.
Lydia Church says
The only true religion is Christianity.
And there is no allowing of sexual exploitation of children in it!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Lydia, what about your mithraist churchmen having anus and vaginal sex with Kids under their care ? Your mithraist Bible commands christians to kill all those living with exception of small girls to be kept as sex slaves
don vito says
itace, that’s your cayron wording. It is your imam’s who legally do such things.
mortimer says
Ibrahim, PLEASE CAN YOU SHOW US A HADITH IN WHICH MOHAMMED CONDEMNS RAPE?
I will give you seven years to find a HADITH IN WHICH MOHAMMED CONDEMNS RAPE… starting now.
Question 2: If a KAFIR SLAVE WOMAN does not like being raped by a MUSLIM SLAVE OWNER, WHAT IS HER RECOURSE in SHARIA LAW? Under Sharia a KAFIR may not accuse a Muslim. Moreover, where will the KAFIR SLAVE WOMAN get money for a lawyer and will she be allowed by her MUSLIM owner to leave the house to find a lawyer?
Question 3: Who will STOP a MUSLIM OWNER from RAPING a KAFIR slave?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Are you a slave ? How can a slave be acquired ? why did the churchmen own slaves ? did churchmen Who owned sex slaves state that It is against the Bible ?
LeftisruiningCanada says
“why did the churchmen own slaves ?”
Who are we talking about here?
“did churchmen Who owned sex slaves state that It is against the Bible ?”
Would it matter what they said? The question is, where do we find Christ owning sex slaves or saying that it’s a good thing to do?
The very idea of having sexual relations outside of a monogamous marriage between one man and one woman is completely foreign to the New Testament Ibrahim, how can you not know that?
LeftisruiningCanada says
There you go again, pointing out the actions of men clearly not following the example of Christ, in an attempt to defend the actions of men clearly following the example of mohammad.
What do you expect to achieve by doing this?
And no, the Bible doesn’t say any such thing. You know this. Which is why you never even half try to convince us with quotes FROM THE BIBLE.
You are tiresome in the extreme. Really, can you do no better than this? If faithfully studying ahmed deedat dawa has given you nothing more potent to say than you have displayed so far, i think you have proven my opinion of him quite correct.
D minus, Ibrahim – must try harder.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Leftruinigcanada, In Timothy 6:1-2 jesus endorsed slavery and urged slaves to obey their earthly Masters. such slaves included sex slaves as practiced during Jésus’ time as contained in the old testament
LeftisruiningCanada says
There are two letters to Timothy Ibrahim, so the proper reference is 1 Timothy 6:1-2:
1Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. 2Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved.
This says nothing about endorsing or recommending or commanding slavery. Paul is just recognizing the reality that slavery exists, and teaching Christians how to deal with being in such a situation.
Plus, perhaps you are not familiar with the different kinds of ‘slavery’ that existed back then, and, indeed, are mentioned in the OT as well.
The preface to the ESV translation covers this well, which i quote at length here for you, in the full expectation that you won’t read it:
Third, a particular difficulty is presented when words in biblical Hebrew and Greek refer to ancient practices and institutions that do not correspond directly to those in the modern world. Such is the case in the translation of ‘ebed (Hebrew) and doulos (Greek), terms which are often rendered “slave.” These terms, however, actually cover a range of relationships that require a range of renderings — either “slave,” “bondservant,” or “servant” — depending on the context. Further, the word “slave” currently carries associations with the often brutal and dehumanizing institution of slavery in nineteenth-century America. For this reason, the ESV translation of the words ‘ebed and doulos has been undertaken with particular attention to their meaning in each specific context. Thus in Old Testament times, one might enter slavery either voluntarily (e.g., to escape poverty or to pay off a debt) or involuntarily (e.g., by birth, by being captured in battle, or by judicial sentence). Protection for all in servitude in ancient Israel was provided by the Mosaic Law. In New Testament times, a doulos is often best described as a “bondservant” — that is, as someone bound to serve his master for a specific (usually lengthy) period of time, but also as someone who might nevertheless own property, achieve social advancement, and even be released or purchase his freedom. The ESV usage thus seeks to express the nuance of meaning in each context. Where absolute ownership by a master is in view (as in Romans 6), “slave” is used; where a more limited form of servitude is in view, “bondservant” is used (as in 1 Corinthians 7:21–24); where the context indicates a wide range of freedom (as in John 4:51), “servant” is preferred.
However, we all know what kind of slavery mohammad was interested in…..and it wasn’t the voluntary kind.
Your assertion that Christians are being advised to engage in sexual acts as part of their slavery is dishonest. Christians are not commanded anywhere to commit sin upon the command of another person, master or king or whoever. This is a regular theme throughout the Bible. Think Daniel in the lion’s den for a start.
The same sentiment was expressed by Christ Jesus:
Matthew 10:28 – And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And by Peter:
Acts 5:29 – Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
It would help you no end in avoiding these blunders if you were to at least check with some Christian commentary before you throw these things out.
The following site is a good one:
http://biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-1.htm
Save Europe says
That’s about the fifth time I’ve now seen you posting about anal sex. Seriously. Rather Freudian, perchance?
LeftisruiningCanada says
I guess we all tend to talk about our daily tasks quite a bit…
Annette says
It reminds me again of a situation when I was explaining a US Muslim community and how it was functioning. After listening for a long time, my friend said sincerely, “Wow… it is almost like they came to America and brought their culture with them.”
Yes. Indeed
LeftisruiningCanada says
Oh boy
Sarah says
I can’t help but focus on two things here.
1. Look at the state of British culture wherein the sheer fear of being labelled a bigot/racist/Islamaphobe etc means pussy-footing around a very real and simple problem and reality.
and
2. That after all these years, after years and YEARS of these crimes having occurred and that are STILL occurring to this very day in multiple places across the UK, that the only real Political response at this stage is; ‘Maybe we should really carefully tiptoe around the idea that maybe, just maybe, there’s an Islamic basis to all of this’.
The army should have gone in by now, since the Police are too busy painting their fingernails and charging after British men and women for hate speech on Twitter – and forcibly dragged by the hair, every single last Pakistani even remotely involved with anything like this, to a black site centre wherein they were all interrogated til the truth comes out.
Once the truth (and every single complicit Muslim is rounded up) was ascertained, then the British government should have confiscated all cash and every single last asset right down to the knives and forks of every individual in question and then booted them from the nation – along with every single family member (whether related by blood or marriage) and banned them all from ever reentering and banned any descendents of theirs from ever entering the UK.
That would’ve put a stop this. And it would have sent a very clear message.
Yet here they are, tiptoeing around the dawning idea that maybe, just maybe, a conversation about the problems that come with Islam and Muslims MIGHT need to occur.
Anne Smith says
You are right about the Police being too busy.
We now have a situation where the Wiltshire Police have to respond to the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter in Salisbury, in a public place and they have run around like chickens with their heads off.
The public were warned to wash everything if they had been in the area, a week after the event!!
However, we must remember that it was the Wiltshire Police who took to the Facebook airwaves to warn everyone that they would be coming after them if they put nasty comments about Muslims on Facebook.
Might have been better if they had spent the time more effectively, revising how to deal with a poison nerve gas attack which actually injured people, instead of reprimanding and visiting people int heir homes to reprove them for putting messages on Facebook, which to my present knowledge, have never actually damaged anyone physically.
Yogi says
This freaking politicians are simply spineless cowards, they don’t even want to hear the truth about this Muslim horders and Islam , just disgusting, Europe is lost totally..
Matthieu Baudin says
“… Lord Young represents the disconnection from reality, fantasy and wishful thinking about Islam that prevail at the highest levels in Britain, and that are leading that nation rapidly to ruin…”
High praise for Lord Pearson, doing his public duty; probing, thinking aloud, bringing the problem into focus and not allowing himself to be intimidated into silence.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Michael Copeland says
It was Lord Pearson who invited Geert Wilders to give a screening of his film “Fatwa” to the House of Lords (thereby being covered by Parliamentary privilege). That was the occasion when (after a display of threats by muslims) Wilders was prevented from entering UK.
Lord Pearson is aware of Islam, unlike so many of the UK’s well-deceived Parliamentarians.
StellaSaidSo says
It was Muslim peer Lord Ahmed who threatened to mobilise 10,000 angry Muslims if Geert Wilders was permitted to enter UK.
LeftisruiningCanada says
One of these men is a splendid chap, while the other is a scoundrel.
mortimer says
Lord Pearson, YOU ARE MY MAN! Finally, someone in the UK has said, “THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!”
mortimer says
ISLAM IS A RAPE CULT… the Koran DECREES THE RAPE OF KAFIR WOMEN… EVEN THE RAPE OF MARRIED WOMEN.
Barry says
When I was young, Australia like the rest of the West, including Britain and Europe still defined itself as “Christian’. It might have been a bit of a stretch, but the residual instinct was there. That has long gone. The 60’s sexual revolution, the breakdown of marriage and the family, its consequential murderous anti natal abortion culture is proof enough of that. Here in Australia we destroy about 70,000 babies per year; the US close to a million; yes, that’s not a misprint, it’s a million. It seems our post Christian culture has a death wish, and Islam is taking advantage of our cretinas behaviour.
Islam is the opposite, with a very high birth rate. Don’t blame Islam; it’s only doing what it has always done; seeking to destroy the ‘Crusader nations’. We’ve forgotten history; they haven’t. Nothing will change unless we seek to renew our decaying self indulgent culture. That requires leaders of substance. I won’t hold my breath waiting.
Meanwhile we will blunder on, ignorant of history, ignorant of the real reform needed. Reminds me of the quote, “Will the last person leaving, turn out the lights.”
At the beginning of WW2, Churchill in a famous speech spoke of the lights going out all over Europe. The same is happening today, but now where is the spiritual Churchill, to revive the light that created Europe? It’s magnificent churches and cathedrals are virtually empty, while mosques are sprouting throughout like weeds. If we are looking for someone to blame, we should look in the mirror.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
It is not necessary to issue a fatwa against rape because “Rape is completely forbidden in Islamic law, and is a crime punishable by death.”
Link to quote:
https://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj85rHcxevZAhVCuRQKHa1BABYQFghQMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thoughtco.com%2Fwhat-does-islamic-law-say-about-rape-2004208&usg=AOvVaw2wd_CW-2gKgKbyC24I22DQ
Seen from an Islamic point of view there are no Muslim rape gangs and not one Muslim in UK has been convicted of rape in accordance with the burden if prof demande in Islamic Law.
Nothing to see here so move on and stop blaming Muslims for acting in accordance with their faith. 😉
Baucent says
Fat chance of a fatwa.
Sazzie says
Lord Pearson is a UKIP peer. Standing up for the British, doing what UKIP do. Shame on the other parties.
Hector Archytas says
I’ve made a petition – will you sign it?
Click this link to sign the petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214942/sponsors/new?token=vLNXk2Kytw4h7fJuL
My petition:
Forbid the usage of terms Muslim, Islam or Islamophobia as hate terminologies.
The terms Muslim and Islam are apocalyptic terms which means that there are people who are infidels and so in rebellion against the creation who should be annihilated. Those terms are divisive apocalyptic terms in the Koran. They are sources of conflicts, division, hate, racism, fear and extremism.
The term Muslim (submitted to the creator) and Islam (submission or enslavement to the creator) are part of an unacceptable apocalyptic ideology. The apocalyptic view of the Koran is that infidels should be eradicated. This ideology should not be legitimized by the UK government by the institutionalisation of those terms. The UK government should enforce term neutrality in religion by referring to human beings as religious founder. The Creator of the universe never created any religion.
henrik jensen says
lord regard islam as a nutcase kindergarden. bewildered eill be his facial in the decapital moment.
No Muzzies Here says
The UK government knows very well who will be around in the next few hundred years, and who will not be. It has chosen to favor the ones who will populate the UK, and to allow the elimination of those who are birth-controlling themselves into extinction.
Tom says
Just wondering which of those shouting “hear, hear” was voted Upper Class Twit of the Year for 2018.
David M says
I think Billy Connolly summed it up best for all these morons in the English Parliament: “Hanging is too good for the likes of you. It’s a good kick up the bum you need.”
Infidel says
IN MANY WAYS THE GREATER WEST IS REAPING THE BITTER HARVEST OF COLONIAL KARMA: Read on… Yes, I hate to say this and as much as it makes me sick of the Islamic Trojan persecution of the Greater West, it was certainly Karma coming and this Karma has come in the form of INSIDIOUS DEMONIC LEADERS who betray their own people like Trudeau, Mad Maama, Cameron, Hollande and others to the WOLVES of JEHAAD.. It is sad… but then there was a time in past centuries when the Greater West ran amok in Africa and Asia and looted these continents BONE-DRY in the name of colonialism. India was left PENNILESS in 1947 when the British left it .. It was CERTAINLY not independence.. but it was the beginning of nightmarish poverty. UK also outsourced famines on India, where millions perished…the infamous Bengal famine is one such sordid example.. It is a testimony to Hindu enterprise and hard work that India today has once again risen to the top of the world economic ladder, a position it held for centuries before the British invaded. And this same colonial Karma has now caught up with the Greater West and UNFORTUNATELY, it is the new generation of INNOCENT and WELL MEANING Greater Westerners who are paying the price with interest. It is a time tested Hindu adage that Karma (esp the very bad ones) often works and catches up in strange diabolical ways. And if U do not end up paying for it , Ur children and grandchildren often end up bearing the bitter cross…
Ray Jarman says
Infidel, Does this remind you of Antenor opening the gates of Troy? I pray that we being the actors in Billy the Barb’s “As You Like It” when Jaques says,”All the world’s a stage/And all the men and women merely players/They have their exits and their entrances,” we begin to act like the men that he described in Henry V about the valiant English. The English and French have such great histories, that to sit and let a retarded inbred cult destroy all of their glories.
Infidel says
Ps do not get me wrong.. I do not want the West to be destroyed at the hands of mad Islam.. regardless of whatever happened in the past. But the West has to face the colonial karma and negotiate it.. Which means, it has to treat non-Muslim countries in Asia and Africa, much better and leave the Islamic nations to stew in their own hatred…
Infidel says
It is HIGH TIME that the DHIMMI UN has a free and open debate on the Koran and Spencer, Warner, and others should be invited to present their side objectively.. It is high time or the world is on a sheer drop towards Jehaadic destruction. I have always held that other than the two interrelated threats of Global Warming and Climate Change, Islamic terror is the 3rd angle which can COMPLETELY wipe out humanity as we see it today. Muslims and their hellhole countries have NOTHING TO LOSE in such a nightmarish scenario where they embark on a global nuclear suicide… It will be a war fueled by sheer jealousy of the progress made by non-Muslims. If we cannot beat U.. we will destroy all, including ourselves. There are too many instances of jealous rage in human history where these kinds of suicidal destruction have taken place.
Infidel says
My late paternal Grandma used to say… If a jealous man cannot beat U in any field, he will make sure that he destroys everything …so that no one benefits including himself… the same goes for Muslims and Islam and their jealousy of non-Muslims.. this is what we see manifested today ALL OVER THE WORLD!!
dumbledoresarmy says
Saint George’s Day – St George being the patron saint of England – falls on 24 April.
Perhaps UK jihadwatchers here present can have a bit of a think about how they might choose to spend that day, in a way that allows for celebration of good aspects of historic English culture *along with* a frank discussion of the mortal peril now faced by their nation and its associated nations of Wales and Scotland.
You need to build morale and brainstorm. You could hold a dinner, with frank and free discussion. You could encourage people to read G K Chesterton “The Flying Inn” *prior* to a dinner on St George’s Day at which you will discuss the galloping Islamisation of England – and indeed, of all of Britain- and how best to counter it, even at this eleventh hour.
Christians might choose to spend the day in fasting and prayer: upholding in prayer those such as Lord Pearson and Tommy Robinson and Paul Weston and Gavin Boby and Douglas Murray and, yes, that redoubtable atheist youtuber Pat Condell, who in very different ways are offering resistance to Islamisation; praying for their protection, praying that the alarm may continue to be raised and that a grim awareness of reality may spread widely and deeply, and may identify political figures willing to act upon it, in *time* for the hijra – the Muslim immigration-invasion takeover bid – to be stopped and reversed.
Start thinking NOW.
HOW will you spend St George’s Day? Let the revolution begin on St George’s Day. (And if you are a Scot, start thinking now about what *you* are going to do on St Andrew’s Day; and if you are Welsh, well, St David’s day has passed, but it’s not too late to begin planning for next year.. and in the meantime, you can always assist your English and Scots non-Muslim neighbours).
As for the Irish… St Patrick’s Day approaches. Let all Islamosavvy Irish persons here present resolve to spend St Patrick’s Day doing *something* by way of pushback against Islamisation. Not excluding heavy-duty prayer and fasting, if you identify as Christian, whether Protestant or Catholic… now *that* would get some people’s attention, if you’re offered the Guinness and say, well, no thanks, I’m spending St Paddy’s Day fasting and praying for the liberation of Ireland from the Jihad!
dumbledoresarmy says
Oh dear. Mea culpa, mea culpa… I forgot to check with Google, and relied on my own memory. St George’s Day is, of course, the *23rd* of April. OOOPS!
Deepest apologies to all English jihadwatchers here present.. and to those of English descent… I too have English ancestors alongside a bunch of Irish, Scots, Danes and Germans, so I have just offended my own English forebears by getting St George’s Day wrong. Oh dear.
Anyway: the day should, I think, be marked in some fashion by the British counter-jihad. I will myself *pray* most earnestly for the defeat of the Jihad in Britain, and for a great rising of “the island of the mighty”.
Carol (the 1st) says
n theI course of considering this article these parliamentary “gems’ easily came to light:
– MUSLIM PEER Lord Ahmed threatened to mobilise 10,000 angry Muslims if Geert Wilders was permitted to enter UK.(incidentally Lord Ahmed In 2007 was highly critical of the awarding of a knighthood to Salman Rushdie, claiming the author had “blood on his hands.”)
– MUSLIM MP Sayeeda Warsi responded to a 2013 comment by Pearson regarding Sharia, birth rates, and ‘frightening religious fervour” by saying “It points at best to an ignorance about Islam and at worst a deliberate attempt to perpetuate a distorted image of the faith.” (incidentally Ms Warsi is/was married to her first cousin).
– Member of Parliament Yasmin Qureshi responded in 2014 to Lord Pearson’s suggesting that the Koran and Mohammed’s example might have inspired the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby by saying “lies”, and “nonsensical rubbish” (incidentally that same year she was awarded the Politician of the Year award at the BRITISH MUSLIM AWARDS).
– MUSLIM MP Khalid Mahmoud, also responding to Pearson’s 2014 suggestions re Lee Rigby, called them ‘ISLAMOPHOBIC” and also ” “Obviously he hasn’t read the Qur’an. Islam is about submission to the Almighty. It is not about war against anybody else.” (incidentally Mahmoud’s Parliamentary assistant Elaina Cohen’s has acase against him with the employment tribunal. Mahmoud once had to repay taxpayers due to some nine night shared accommodation with Cohen at The Bentley hotel in Kensington in 2004).
This is just a sampling.
Interested Reader says
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html
From the lips of children.
sidney penny says
“Lord Young represents the disconnection from reality, fantasy and wishful thinking about Islam that prevail at the highest levels in Britain, and that are leading that nation rapidly to ruin.”
Lord Robert Spencer, you keep hitting the nail on the head.
Tell me why there are not more Lord Pearsons and Lord Robert Spencers.