That’s hardly reassuring.
Deradicalization programs, upon which the West has placed so much hope, have long been an obvious failure. Such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.
Well, let’s see. Deradicalization programs have been implemented elsewhere, notably in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Let’s look at how they fared. From the Jihad Watch archives:
Gitmo prisoner reveals: Saudi “deradicalization program” is really a jihad training program
11 ex-Gitmo prisoners flee the Saudi “rehabilitation program” and join up with terrorist groups
Jaw-dropper: 25 former Gitmo detainees “return to militancy” despite Saudi rehab program!
Flight 253 jihadist wasn’t cured by Saudi anti-jihad art therapy
Former Guantanamo detainee now top al-Qaeda ideologue — “He was transferred to Saudi Arabia in 2006 where he was placed in a national rehabilitation project.”
Indonesian government admits that its jihadist rehab program is a failure
Malaysia: Muslim cleric active in deradicalization program promotes hatred of non-Muslims
France’s only jihadi “deradicalization” center is closing — it was voluntary, and it was empty
“Austrian Islamist convicted for plans to attack German sites,” Associated Press, April 13, 2018 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
VIENNA — An Austrian court convicted a 19-year-old man on Friday of involvement in plans for two Islamic extremist attacks in Germany, one of which was supposed to be carried out by a 12-year-old boy.
The defendant was convicted Friday at the Vienna state court of two counts of attempted incitement to murder as a terrorist crime, as well as membership in a terrorist organization and other offenses, the Austrian Press Agency reported. He was given a nine-year sentence.
The Austrian of Albanian descent was accused of trying to incite an already radicalized 12-year-old to attack a Christmas market in Ludwigshafen in 2016, and plotting an attack on the United States’ Ramstein Air Base along with a 16-year-old girl….
Defense lawyer Wolfgang Blaschitz asked for time to consider whether to appeal and argued that a nine-year sentence is “way too much.”
He added that “the deradicalization process is underway concerning his membership in IS.”
Wellington says
A proposal or effort to deradicalize Muslims, all the while possessed (an appropriate word, no?) that Islam is not the real problem, is an effort in foolishness, stupidity and/or ignorance. (N.B., the lawyer in me still loves the “and/or” option even though modern grammarians aver otherwise; well, to hell with them I say, but I digress; indeed it is a lesser world without the “and/or” alternative, but again I digress, let alone very possibly being redundant).
Islam IS the problem. Go from there. Don’t go from “there” and every single solution to the massive burden Islam is to all the world is fatally flawed, for instance that there really is a difference between Islam and Islamism, or Islam and radical Islam, or Islam and fundamentalist Islam.
No there isn’t. None or next to none. And as long as non-Muslims (forget Muzzies, even the best of them, because they are at best clueless, at worst nefarious) keep trying to make this foolish, stupid and/or ignorant distinction (yeah, I’m pushing my grammatical point again because I never know when to quit), then to such extent is the West in deep shit. It sure is right now, courtesy of Islam and/or excuses for Islam.
Just love the “and/or.” Truly I do. But not nearly as much as I hate Islam. Done here for now but I’ll be back. Count on it.
mortimer says
Wellington, they are LAZY. They have had almost 17 years after 9-11 to learn about ISLAMIC TERRORISM and they have refused to do so.
They are covering up for the SAUDIS and other oil-rich countries. They are pretending to agree that Islam is peaceful.
gravenimage says
I think this is more about willful denial over Islam being a problem than it is an issue of laziness.
Benedict says
Radicalization is the attempt of “peaceful” Muslims to teach fellow Muslims – potential candidates for this process – to settle for the paying of lip service to certain fundamental violent aspects of Islam. Unfortunately any serious Muslim would most likely be radicalized by such an approach.
DHazard says
Islam is a believe it or else religion. Disbelieving anything in the Quran or any “sahih” Hadith narration is equivalent to apostasy. Deprogramming someone from “radical” Islam only works if the brainwashed subject leaves Islam altogether. That means not only giving up everything he has been taught, but giving up belief in Allah (please pee upon him) himself. No Muslim needs a “scholar” to explain to him what happens next.
I guess this criminal wasn’t buying a ticket to Paradise. He just wanted to be an authentic British Muslim. The kind of Islam that encourages arrogance, victim mentality, rape and murder. But not, it seems, martyrdom. The salvation Jesus offers would be a hard sell, and would definitely NOT enter into his deprogramming.
Let’s face it; being nice to Muslims only makes them more likely to become terrorists. Hating them does the same. Ignoring them does the same. Giving them housing, food, medical care and the right to vote changes nothing. If they are true to Allah then all their friendships with non-Muslims are just a facade. They hate leftists as much as they hate conservatives. They even hate each other.
Just send him to jail for as long as legally possible.
mortimer says
Yes, dhazard, you understand what I mean by ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING. It ‘absolutely’ spoils the Islamic brainwashing and makes it impossible for a jihadist to accept it anymore.
ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING pulls the rug out from under the jihadist by proving intellectually that Islam is 1) unhistorical (lacking a provenance) 2) illogical (lacking self-referential coherence) and 3) amoral (lacking a consistent morality… nothing inconsistent is ethical). Without an intellectual basis for belief in Islam, the jihadist will within months become an apostate or at the very least become seriously doubtful about Islam as a source of reliable information.
J D S says
Without the apostate law Islam is empty and would fade away or would have faded away centuries ago.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
ABSOLUTE DEPROGRAMMING pulls the rug out from under the jihadist by proving intellectually that Islam is 1) unhistorical (lacking a provenance) 2) illogical (lacking self-referential coherence) and 3) amoral (lacking a consistent morality… nothing inconsistent is ethical). Without an intellectual basis for belief in Islam, the jihadist will within months become an apostate or at the very least become seriously doubtful about Islam as a source of reliable information.
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Mortimer, your claims–which you have made many times before–that Muslims are most concerned with sound historical facts, intellectual coherency, and morals just is not borne out.
Islam is entirely ahistoric, and Islam actively despises reason and the mind.
And any creed that preaches the abuse of little children, the rape and enslavement of Infidels, the mass slaughter of those who do not submit to Islam, and the genocide of the Jews is *not* a moral belief system.
Your idea that the appeal of Islam is primarily intellectual could not be more mistaken. None of these things are going to inspire the average Muslim to question his vicious, irrational faith.
Terry Gain says
If I was the Judge in this case I would reject the lawyer’s submission unless evidence was proffered of the defendant burning the Koran
gravenimage says
Austria: Lawyer for Muslim who plotted jihad massacre tells court “the deradicalization process is underway”
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Um…right. We have all seen how well those programs work.
After he serves his sentence, he should be stripped of his German citizenship and deported to Albania.
Bacherbazistan says
Lawyer is well versed in taquiya.
elee says
We’ve actually got some experience with this. It cost us a lot of lives and a lot of years and a lot of money. 30 years and a world war later we eventually de-Nazified the Muslims’ allies (but of course lots of the Nazis went to Egypt and joined their comrades Nasser & Sadat)………who got psyched for their 1967 attempted pogrom by playing (translated) Hitler speeches for days on end on their radios……Oh and…….we didn’t do it by teaching that Nazism was a religion of peace, either.
Leanne Kelly says
I agree,Well said
Ren says
“the deradicalization process is on the way to fail”
MFritz says
It’s taqiyya bullshit, don’t fall for it.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Soros’ NGOs are trying do undo the Hungarian election:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hungary-election-protests/tens-of-thousands-of-hungarians-protest-against-orban-landslide-idUSKBN1HL11M
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hungary-protest-anti-government-election-viktor-orban-1.4620446
Does it look familiar?
Jayell says
The spirit of Mohammed is printed on a “devout muslim” like the letters of a seaside town run through a stick of rock. It takes misguided cock-eyed optimist to believe that you can erase it. Muslims are OK in an islamic environment. They are dangerous contamination anywhere else.
FYI says
Is it those mithraist (holy satans)spirit worshipping muslims at it again?
It always seems to be the members of the religion of peace who never get irony.
Forgive me for laughing* but those taqqiya merchants who promote this nonsense of islam being a religion of peace are always reminiscent of the famous Comical Ali
*As a Mirth-raist…Mirth-raism:the religion of Mirth(not to be confused with mithra-ism which, as any intelligent soul knows was a pagan cult which had absolutely no connection whatsoever with Christianity..
Terra Nova says
Whatever solution you come up with, is there anybody after any program who still believes people from Islam? They will always try to conquer the world and fight wars, it is in their blood and that is the way they are.
Michael Copeland says
“….it’s an eternal endless war…”
Sheikh Dr. M. Rateb Al-Nabuls
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/florida-muslim-cleric-who-calls-for-the-killing-of-jews-and-gays-speaks-at-orlando-middle-school
Scorpio says
Everyone has heard about the Islamic de-radicalisation programme and at the moment the success rate or those that claim it has worked is very few and far between, even if you can get volunteers. So much so that it warrants a mention in the “Guinness Book of Records”.
But let’s not be cynical; we could easily put this to the test! These do-gooders should be prepared put themselves in the dock and stand trial for all deaths and injuries committed after the alleged de-radicalised Muslim has succeeded and passed the test. They should be given the opportunity convince a court, not that the de-radicalised Muslim went back on his/her word (that would obviously be a waste of time) but convince the jury that at on completion of the programme it was reasonable to assume that the de-radicalisation had worked.
Nobody is asking that they should be forced to submit to the sentence of the court but their names should be mentioned on social media to suffer the approbation or otherwise of the general public. I wonder how many of these do-gooders would be prepared to trust their self respect to the de-radicalisation programme? Snowballs in hell come to mind!
Sam says
Great! Muslims have always been very good at radicalization and deradicalization
Idiots. Europe is gone.
Jack Holan says
This Defense Attorney is another enabler to perpetuate the next terrorist act by this 19 year. On the subject of Defense Consul does anyone remember the older female Attorney using her cover to pass messages between her Terrorist client and IS in NYC circa 2002-2005/6. She was caught but never served time since she died of cancer (G-ds Wrath). These White Leftist Attorneys not only advocate for their client but seem to believe in their message that is counter to their own safety if they don’t convert.
sidney penny says
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/09/australia-multi-million-dollar-taxpayer-funded-deradicalization-helpline-failing-to-gain-traction
“An expert in de-radicalisation at the Australian National University, Dr Clarke Jones, said authorities were focusing on the wrong things.
“Everything to do with Muslim communities is to do with security and intelligence,” he said. “Life doesn’t work like that.
“You’ll find there’s much more problems around domestic violence and youth suicide, drug and alcohol offending. Violent extremism may be less than 1 per cent.
Dr Jones wants governments to tackle the symptoms that lead to radicalisation.
“If you put money towards social services or building community capacity, the outcome would be better. In fact, you’d reduce the chances of violent extremism,” he said….
This is a common myth. In reality, study after study has shown that poverty doesn’t cause terrorism, and therefore social services will not end terrorism. But the money will, of course, not be refused.”
How does this Australian expert miss that?
Is this similar to the other Australian expert Anne Aly who was invited to the Obama White House and now sits in the Australian Parliament?
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/australia-muslim-prof-claims-she-got-hate-mail-after-her-deceptions-exposed