Kadyrov is right: “Marry those that please you of women, two or three or four…” (Qur’an 4:3)
So he is saying that Muslim men in Chechnya can flout Russian law, and there will be no problem.
How about in the U.S.? It’s inconceivable that Islamic polygamy is being practiced here, right? No. The New York Times reported in March 2007 that “immigration to New York and other American cities has soared from places where polygamy is lawful and widespread, especially from West African countries like Mali, where demographic surveys show that 43 percent of women are in polygamous marriages.” Muslims in America who practice polygamy don’t seem concerned about breaking “manmade” American law. Ibrahim Hooper of the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) stated: “Islamic scholars would differ on whether one could do so while living in the United States.” He was not reported as having said anything about working against this practice among American Muslims, despite its illegality. He may have calculated that the legalization of same-sex marriage would make it easier to change American law regarding polygamy — which is one reason why Muslims have allied with “progressives” with such alacrity.
“Allah allows Muslims to take four wives, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov says,” AFP, April 24, 2018:
MOSCOW: Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov on Tuesday said that men living in Russia’s predominantly Muslim region can take as many as four wives, even though polygamy is banned in the country.
Kadyrov, who has ruled Chechnya since 2004 and is a staunch supporter of President Vladimir Putin, told state television he was not preparing to legalise polygamy but that “for Muslims, I don’t need to give permission.”
“Allah gives permission to have four wives,” he said.
The Koran says that a man can marry up to four women, but only if he is able to treat them all justly.
Polygamy has never completely disappeared from the North Caucasus region, even during the officially atheist Soviet era, he argued.
“Since forever, even during the harshest time of the Soviet Union, people would take a second, a third or even a fourth wife, and it’s impossible to ban us from doing this,” said Kadyrov….
“We aren’t saying: take four wives, so the man takes them to the registrar and makes it official… But according to our religion, she is a legal wife,” said Kadyrov….
While Russia is a secular country, Kadyrov has been allowed to introduce Muslim customs in the region, where women are encouraged to wear headscarves in public.
elee says
How can they say Islam doesn’t like women, when the scripture says every man should buy 3 or 4 of them?
Infidel says
A Must C Interview (Robert U must C this) because this is the true history of Kashmir, the territory over which Jehaadi Pakistan constantly brutalize India thru terror. It documents how so called peaceful Muslims settled in Kashmir, escaping self created troubles in Persia and the Middle East. They came to Kashmir because the then King of Kashmir was a mad liberal (hear hear Mad Maama Merkel and the Turd of Canada) and the Muslims arrive in huge numbers into that paradise called Kashmir.. And then when the day a huge army of Islam invades Kashmir from the Middle East, the so called peaceful Muslim immigrants TURN ON THEIR OWN HOSTS and destroy them with unspeakable brutality. HEAR HEAR EUROPE AND THE GREATER WEST… this is what is store for U too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrBmadZZhtI&feature=youtu.be
The Political Oracle says
A de facto government stealthily encroaching upon a de jure government and no other government or people are standing up to this supremacist autocracy that is a cancer, eating democracy alive.
Rick says
I am curious.
Where do all these “extra” women come from ? I do believe that the male/female birth ratio is also fairly equal in Muslim societies.
Is this shortage what drives the Jihadists to commit atrocities so that can acquire wives/slaves from our “conquered” civilized countries ? Also might explain why the “forty virgins” are so appealing.
Is probably why most of immigration is young single males.
Would a potential solution be that ALL muslim societies should restrict marriage to 1 wife.
Juhani says
I have thought the same. Muslim societies need veiling of women to prevent those angry men from directing their attention to the problem.
Karen says
The practice is degrading to women, and irrational for men, since potentially it leaves some men out of the running for a wife. Presumably, older, richer men would prevail. Brides would have to be lured into these societies from elsewhere, either through mail-order bride arrangements, or human trafficking.
Peggy says
There’s always plenty of little boys for the poor ones. Horrible people.
gravenimage says
Muslims steal more women from Infidels when they can, often murdering the men outright. We saw this with the treatment of the Yezidis in the Islamic State.
And where that is not an option, there are lots of frustrated, unmarried Muslim men eager to wage violent Jihad with the hope of 72 virgins in Jannah, since many of them have no hope of marriage on earth.
God, I hate Islam.
Stereotypicalkafir says
Polygamous societies are more violent than monogamous societies. Too much supply of young men, too little demand. Duh
gravenimage says
True. Add the violence of Islam to the mix, and this explain why Muslim societies are the way they are.
jewdog says
In Chechnya, Allah is the tenth member of the Supreme Court.
Bob Carrillo says
THIS IS already going on in Minnesota..
Just check the FREE welfare, and FREE health care system rolls.. .
..Just check with Minnesota State Rep. Ilhan Omar for her expert advice in this area of criminal deceit….
Ginny says
Welfare. There you have it.
Carole says
I am fine with that as long as one woman can take up to four husbands. Fair is fair.
Carolyne says
Yup. Me too.
RichardL says
Difficult to say something islam-stupid that’s surprising if you look like Kadyrov.
Jill Workman says
I suppose there is no reason left to resist. Where do I get my nose ring?
gravenimage says
Don’t give up yet, Jill.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mithraist christians are real oppressors. they impose mithraist christian madness of one man one woman on muslims, but claim secularism. muslims never impose sharia on mithraist christians.Idiots!!
alex smythe says
Actually, many Muslims do seek to impose Sharia law on non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
What absolute crap–of course Muslims impose the horrors of Shari’ah on Infidels. What is dhimitude but this?
Walter Sieruk says
Polygamy is not sanctioned by God. For example God gave Adam one wife. Furthermore, in the New Testament Jesus taught “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife…” Jesus said “wife.” Not “wives” Mathew 19:5. [K.J.V.] Likewise, in First Timothy 3:2. In instructs “A bishop the must be blameless, the husband on one wife.” Here again it’s “one wife” Nevertheless, there are some people who will act as apologists for polygamy by say the king David of Israel and then later his son ,who became King Solomon of Israel did practice polygamy. Such people aren’t taking into account both the time and place. For the only reason that God did tolerate this tradition was not because it was right or that He approved of it. It was because this practice of having many wives was such an entrenched custom in the ancient Middle East that God allowed it for the above mentioned Kings of Israel. This does not mean that this custom, of polygamy, was to keep on going in other times and places.
Rarely says
My favourite saying: “Men plan. G’d laughs”. G’d must have a great sense of humour.
Why would He care how many wives a man has? Just don’t covet your neighbour’s wife.
The man-made laws regarding polygamy were practical to the society they were in at the time. Very young wives and arranged marriages — even of young girls — has been part of many cultures throughout history. Parents of large poor families were very eager to marry off the girls as soon as they could. Those who could afford it often had mistresses (and still do!). Some of those mistresses even bore children. Its human nature however wrong many of us may view it.
As they advanced and developed most cultures and religions have outgrown these practices for the most part as they became impractical to the changing circumstances and not for moral, ethical or religious reasons. A few Christian sects in North America still practice polygamy when they can get away with it.
A problem with islam is that it doesn’t “outgrow” the archaic ideas and practices it started with. Sure mohammed hated the Jews — they were his only major competition in Arabia and North Africa. Certainly he advocated polygamy — it’s how you grow your population quicker and have more soldiers. For similar reasons you want lots of slave girls.
And, of course, it’s done in the name of religion because nothing is better than divine authorization or dictate.. If you don’t have a convenient religion available … invent one. Name yourself the one and only prophet and kill anyone who objects.
Another problem with islam is that muslims feel they carry their religion’s dictates with them wherever they go and that these laws override the laws of the host country.
Bizarre? Not really. How many Americans feel they have the right of Free Speech wherever they are on the Planet and get unpleasantly surprised to find it isn’t so. Every year American tourists are turned away at border crossings into Canada when they find out that their “right to bear arms” is not a right in Canada.
If we discover religious practices among potential immigrant groups that are against our laws and have no intention of changing those laws or granting exceptions we should exclude them. But, if we let them in, we are culpable too. Solution? Better screening and deportation of those who refuse to obey our laws. Simple, but not easy.
You can’t solve a problem until you know what the problem is.
Karen says
Great post.
gravenimage says
There are not a “few Christian sects” that practice polygamy–there is one. “Fundamentalist” Mormons–a creed based on Islam as much as Christianity. Joseph Smith said. “I will be a second Mohammad”.
They also used to murder apostates.
Luckily, the mainstream Mormon Church has since rejected this barbarism. Would that we could say that of Islam.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Juhani, Prove it scientifically. Assuming, not conceding, it rarely occurs some in ocieties ,Islam provides solution for that, it is one man one woman or men could marry second wives from another country where there are excess women ,provide they could satisfy them ànd treat them equally. In muslim chechnya women outnumber men. what will the excess do to satisfy their sexual desire? To do it outside marriage like in mithraist christian societies? christianity teaches immoralities
Rarely says
Vibrators Ibrahim vibrators. Don’t try to justify your deplorable practices on “excess females…especially when you killed off the men.
I’d argue with you but it wouldn’t be fair of me to debate with an unarmed man.
Rarely says
Correction: “battle of wits with an unarmed man.”
Karen says
And are the various ratios of men to women that would trigger acceptable polygamy stipulated in the Koran or hadith, along with other limits on the practice? No, of course not; the degrading practice of polygamy is how you build your base, and has been the norm in Islam and Sharia, not the exception. The main beneficiaries are men, who can easily discard any of their unsatisfactory wives for new ones. Women, of course, have a much more difficult time divorcing their husbands under Sharia law.
BTW, in China and India, men now outnumber women. Can Muslim women now have 4 husbands?
Rarely says
Seems reasonable but why just the muslim women?
Karen says
I think the practice would be as unsavory if practiced by women, both Muslim and non-Muslim. I was just making the point that Sharia only allows for multiple wives, not husbands, and the practice isn’t influenced by social conditions, as Ibrahim tries to assert. But I like your sense of equality. ?
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
karen, China limits birth to one to two children and parents prefer male children, while Hindus as majority in India abort female babies before delivery as statistics have shown .As such the scarcities of female children there are artificial, not natural.
Karen says
Whether by war, or other means, what difference does it make? Your argument was that polygamy was justified in response to an imbalance.
BTW, China no longer has a 2 child policy.
Sheepsqueezer says
“As such scarcities of female children are artificial, not natural” Ninety nine percent of newborns found in dumpsters in Pakistan are female. They number in the thousands. Islam is destined to fail as this behavior will not be tolerated by God or the Western nations. I loathe islam.
gravenimage says
China has abandoned its brutal One Child Policy.
gravenimage says
Ibrahim itace muhammed has made this bizarre assertion before–that in Muslim nations there are four times as many women as men–but this is bullsh*t. Worldwide, men slightly outnumber women, at 107 men for every hundred women.
But, obviously, this is roughly fifty-fifty.
Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
men could marry second wives from another country where there are excess women ,
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“Excess women”? Ewwwww–this is how Muslims see women.
It is, of course, just tripe–when Muslims raid Infidel countries, it is not because they have “excess women”, but because they believe that Muslims have the right to kidnap and rape Kuffar women. We have seen this in many places like the Islamic State with Christian and Yezidi women and in Ibrahim itace muhammed’s own Nigeria with Boko Haram.
Richard says
What happens if you want to redecorate your house and each of your four wives has her own opinion for the redecorating? Talk about hell on earth!!
Peggy says
Don’t even get me started on four mother in-laws.
Jeff says
Since when would a Muslim female have any say?
gravenimage says
The Muslim will just beat the hell out of all four wives if he feels like it. If any of them still want to decorate, he can just “Honor Kill” them.
Muslim says
Polygyny in sha Allah. All praises be to Allah. The critics can scream all they like Allah will allow His way to be superior and victorious against the enemies even if it is not in our lifetime in sha Allah.
Rarely says
My entire argument to restrict immigration.
Muslim2018 says
The more they tighten their grip it’s the more Allah allow the believers to flow right in.
The earth belongs to Allah and He grants the inheritance of it in turns.
gravenimage says
“Muslim” wrote:
Polygyny in sha Allah. All praises be to Allah. The critics can scream all they like Allah will allow His way to be superior and victorious against the enemies even if it is not in our lifetime in sha Allah.
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In other words, this Mohammedan believes that that the loveless ugliness of polygamy was handed down by the vicious deity “Allah”, and is “superior” to loving marriages. And why not? Muslims also believe he handed down the horrors of pedophilia, sex slavery, and slaughtering anyone who does not submit to Islam.
Muslim2018 wrote:
The more they tighten their grip it’s the more Allah allow the believers to flow right in.
The earth belongs to Allah and He grants the inheritance of it in turns.
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This is a murderous dig at Jews–the belief that at one time Jews and Christians were all Muslims, and so they were “Allah’s” favorites. But eventually they embraced such “corruptions” as the Golden Rule and the idea of a loving God, and so “Allah” made their genocide Halal. Nevermind that this makes no historical sense.
And the last is a threat–that Infidels have no right to their own lands, but that Muslims have the right to invade and conquer us.
Note that “Muslim2018”–formerly “Muslim2017”–briefly posed as a “moderate Muslim”. When he was challenged on his Taqiyya, he quickly dropped the mask, and now is as you see him here. This is not uncommon.
Matthieu Baudin says
Even the Russians seem ready to give away their cultural crown jewels – Monogamous Marriage. If not officially sanctioned, then through defacto recognition, the Kremlin in it’s weakness is giving away more than it will gain by accepting separate law in it’s Muslim dominated regions.
Ade Fegan says
Even Robert Spencer gets this one wrong (sorry Robert I love you man)
Islamic theology says you can “from the women who seem good to you” take a wife or two or three or four BUT NO WHERE IS IT STATED THAT YOU CAN’T HAVE MORE THAN FOUR WIVES and indeed muslims are expected to FOLLOW MUHAMMADS EXAMPLE …. come on people let’s get this right
gravenimage says
Sorry, Ade–all Muslim clerics interpret this as meaning that Muslims can have up to four wives at a time (and an unlimited number of sex slaves).
Here’s Islam Q & A, one of the most authoritative sites on Islam in English:
https://islamqa.info/en/14022
And here’s the influential Dr, Zakir Naik, on the same subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8K1NbMpdb0
FYI says
Yes indeed,allah conveniently permits a muslim man to have up to 4 wives:rather unconveniently for women,the muslima is not allowed 4 husbands..because{sarc} somehow that would be morally wrong.
allah has one law for men:women really don’t count for much in the koran.
allah reveals in his”perfect” book that women are not very smart ..oh and also k4 v34 if needs be,they must be scourged if they disobey their male muslim master.
allah also permits in his Commandment-of-God violating “holy” koran..
Murdering innocent infidels k2v 191
adultery with infidelsk33:50,k4:24(with a slave)
stealing from infidels k48:20(also the jizya tax of course k9v 29 which is ..islamic theft)
bearing false witness…taqqiya,tawriya,muruna,kitman..
allah is ok with muslims violating God’s Commandments just as long as muslims do it to infidels.
allah is ok with using women as sex slaves k23v 6
and of course child brides, k65 v4
allah is perfectly ok with all these immoral, evil, abominations.But then allah doesn’t himself follow any of God’s Commandments:something which muslims don’t seem able to understand( and is what attracts the idiot convert to islam:the mistaken belief they can suddenly break God’s Commandments and be rewarded for doing so because allah says so)
GOD,on the other hand{the True Judeo-Christian God of Moses etc}as we see from those all-important commandments (that God insists we obey but which allah teaches muslims they are free to break) quite clearly does not accept Murder,adultery,stealing etc.
Polygamy,pederasty etc are intrinsically immoral and sinful and NEVER acceptable to God:yet the koran happily promotes polygamy!
That’s because islam’s antichristian,antisemitic,hate and violence preaching god “allah” is NOT the True Bibical God.
Most muslims do not have the wisdom to figure out the difference.Some do.
The Bible teaches OBEDIENCE to God’s commandments
the koran teaches DISOBEDIENCE to God’s Commandments
The Bible stories are illustrative and always have a moral in the tale.It is always understood,no matter what you read in the Bible,Jew or Christian,that you must obey God’s Official Commandments.
{Jews and Christians subscribe to/accept the 10+2:muslims follow allah’s warped commands instead and of course there are no 2 chief Commandments to be found anywhere in islam.A fact that speaks volumes}
The koran contains commands of allah to do things that are immoral and in fact are expressly prohibited by God’s Commandments.The point here is that the Bible reveals God’s moral code which is accepted by Jews and Christians{the 10+2 laws} whilst the koran teaches allah’s immoral commandment-violating code which promotes everything from polygamy to child brides,from using women as sex slaves to lying to promote islam.
See for yourself:compare the two{Bible vs koran} with respect to God’s laws..you will see the koran is in total violation of them!
Compare {God’s 10 commandments vs allah’s warped teachings}
Compare {God’s teachings on adultery/murder etc with allah’s equivocations}
Compare both books with respect to the 2 chief Commandments{present in Judaism and Christianity but missing in islam}
allah’s teachings do not conform with God’s Commandments!
..and that’s because “allah is the best of deceivers” k3;54 and interestingly his “prophet” admitted..
“I have fabricated things against GOD and have imputed to him words which he has not spoken”
Al Tabari 6:111
Fabricated things:yes,like the commandment-of-God violating teachings of allah in his holy koran which promotes ABOMINATIONS like child brides,polygamy,stealing from infidels..
Those sort of “fabricated things”..
the Judeo-Christian God’s moral code is violated by islam’s koranic allah :but it is no surprise when allah himself admits to being “the best of deceivers” k3 v 54
Peggy says
As long as they stick in their parts of the world and leave the rest of us alone I don’t care what they do.
It’s very obvious that the more we try to change them, the more they change us.
So if Chechnya is going to be governed by people like this guy and he only does his thing there and poses no thereat to Russia proper why would Vlad worry about him?
If he were to export his way of life then I agree, go and kick his arse. For now they seem to have settled down.
gravenimage says
Peggy, Chechnya *is* Russia proper–Putin is allowing increasing amounts of Shari’ah law there. This is only going to further embolden Muslims.
J D S says
How does one make something legal that is already illegal???
Simlpe answer: ILLEGAL is Just a ….SICK BIRD…
gravenimage says
Chechen top dog says he won’t legalize polygamy, but “for Muslims, Allah gives permission to have four wives”
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Under Kadyrov, Chechnya is becoming more and more a Shari’ah state–and Putin is allowing this insanity.