Danke, Merkel!
“The migrant crisis could cost the German taxpayer 1,000,000,000,000 euros,” Voice of Europe, April 11, 2018:
In his autobiography, “In search of the truth”, famous German economist Hans-Werner Sinn says the migrant crisis could cost the country almost one trillion euros, Focus reports. Sinn is a former advisor of Angela Merkel and retired president of the IFO Institute for Economic Research.
Germany accepted 1.5 million migrants since 2015 and Sinn says they are not dentists, lawyers and nuclear scientists, but mostly underqualified immigrants. According to him, these people can never repay what they have received from the German welfare state during their lifetimes.
While German states spent more than €20bn on refugees in 2016, it’s easy to see why Sinn’s one trillion euros estimate is a serious possibility, when looking at lifetime support for migrants. At the same time family reunifications and higher security costs are not (yet) part of the budget….
brane pilot says
The decision by a childless German politician to invite almost 2 million destitute, 3rd World Muslim migrants into Europe, many with no identification documents, is the greatest blunder since the decision by another childless German politician to invade Russia.
What is it with German politicians and their God complex?
Indiana Tom says
German leaders were idiots long before this.
Leon Degney says
Totally agree, history shows German *leaders* have led their people into many and varied conflicts that have had no beneficial outcomes for them. This latest debacle caused, not in part but wholly by Merkle could bring Germany to its knees without a shot being fired.
Andy says
‘Germany Is Collapsing Because Of Migrants’ – Tommy Robinson Talks About Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oywByIoyC4
gordon miller says
Angela Merkel takes the prize hands down.
mummymovie says
The Childless-European-Leader factor is HUGE:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel: NO CHILDREN
France’s Emmanuel Macron: NONE
British prime minister Theresa May: NONE
Italian prime minister Paolo Gentilon: NONE
Holland’s Mark Rutte: NONE
Scotland’s Nicola Sturgeon: NONE
Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission: NONE
Sweden’s prime minister Stefan Lofven has no biological children.
It is pretty clear why Europe’s leaders are not concerned that savage muslim migrants from the Middle East and Africa are flooding in to ravage their towns and cities, and the native children who are condemned to grow up in the environment they are creating.
These childless, godless, narcissistic, self-righteous, virtue-signaling leaders will all be worm food in a couple/few decades! They don’t care about our children, or the disastrous legacy they will leave behind.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10306/childless-europe
mummymovie says
And don’t forget Luxembourg’s Prime Minister Xavier Bettel: NONE
Daniel Triplett says
And Ireland’s PM Leo Varadkar: NONE
alex smythe says
Justin Trudeau of Canada has several biological children….it’s hard to understand him. Perhaps he is raising his kids as Muslims (many people have speculated that he himself has converted to Islam), and so will be immune from kuffarphobia on the part of many Muslims. However, that still doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t suffer if Canada goes down the road of jihadist violence, widepread and frequent terrorist attacks, and so forth. Of course, they wouldn’t have to worry if the economy there goes down the crapper, because their family is quite wealthy.
JM says
Excellent point.
mortimer says
Jihadi Justin will be hated by Muslims the first time he says a firm no to them. His pussyfooting with Sikh terrorists, didn’t make Muslims like him more.
mummymovie says
Yes, for sure;
and how can we forget about the honorary Eurocrat Trudeau?
He does indeed fit the model, but his kids won’t have to go to public schools when the poop hits the fan.
And he probably has converted.
Won’t save his neck, or his descendants’ in the end ,though.
infidel says
Add the CHILDLESS HINDU leaders of India too to this list
mummymovie says
“‘Finding ourselves’ becomea more important than building a world.”
-Joshua Mitchell
Leon Degney says
Great comment, precisely the case.
Kurt says
Macron (France) is same as Sweden leader with no biological children but has from marriage. Minor nit-pick but maybe there’s hope for France if he has a soul.
p_m_bay says
Merkel is a very sick hateful Hitler. Hitler cared more for the Germans than this coon-bait
Sonia says
Coon bait???
Charlie Martel says
The Rape of Europa
She who is not woman
A woman has slain
Our beloved continent
Europe, Aggressed in every orifice.
They who are not of us,
But imposed upon us
In battle cry of Sharia
Seek to destroy all that gives life
For their own mirage of pleasure
Subsequent to murder
Subsequent to Genocide.
Divine Right Pretenders ready
To replace democracy again.
The greatest gift of history
The highest that civilisation has ever reached
Is bet on a game of chance
Among men of fading wit
between Alzheimer’s and Genocide.
Our sold to trick and trade politicians
Defend no principle or value
The fish has rotted from the Head
Its dead glazed eyes of betrayal
The wages of appeasement.
Persecution of an ethnic minority,
Tyranny hidden in plain sight
Within a religious minority,
Are but two moments
Of the same authoritarianism.
They have learned from history
How to disarm opposition,
Eugenicist Germany rises again.
We the People are abandoned, unrecognised and unprotected.
Yet there are ‘Bitter weeds in England’
of which Winston Churchill spoke.
This tyrannical horizon, must of necessity,
Be opposed and ended.
By A. Aspasia
Steve says
I wonder if, or when, it will dawn on the quisling dhimmi stooge Merkel that she will go down in history as the architect of Germany’s demise.
Elisha says
She’s not capable of masterminding this mess. She merely follows orders from the devils that run this world. Their plan was hatched a long time ago.
JM says
That makes sense, because Merkel admitted in back in 2010 that multiculturalism was a sham a and stated that “This concept has failed, and failed utterly.”
TassieR says
Like in das Dritte Reich, the “architects” themselves are less interesting for history than those who voted for their kind of architecture – then or now.
Bev says
It wont matter after Germany is Islamic.
tedh754 says
That will be the end of bier and tourism. And when the crazed imams start executing people in the streets then Germany won’t be so holier than thou when it comes to their opinion of the US in regards to capital punishment.
Will Rodgers says
…and they just reelected Merkle. As bad as the Democrats reecting obama 2x in a row. If we do not curb the spread of muslims across the globe the entire planet will be overcome. It is like an unchecked virus spreading all across the globe. The more it spreads the worse conditions become for Western Civilization. 910 years ago when this happened [America had not yet been discovered by the West] a powerful King Charles Martel “The Hammer” rose up and kicked their pagan barbaric asses back into the middle east from Austria. The Poles are trying to stop the muslim hijrah [self proclaimed invasion] as are a few other European nations and the Conservatives with President Trump in the US. The fools opposed to the President will be responsible for your defeat if they continue to weaken America by flooding US with foreign invaders from any nation.
Simo Hayha says
You know, during the two World Wars, we and our allies fought against real “soldiers” on the battlefields. We wore uniforms and the Germans, Japanese, and Italians wore uniforms. We ALL fought intense battles against skilled, trained real soldiers. We respected the line troops we captured, though they were not quite as benevolent with our troops they captured.
Today we are in a war against COWARDS who sneak up on civilians, slash and stab them. They drive cars and trucks into crowds of innocent civilians, crushing them and maiming hundreds. They detonate explosives hidden in vehicles or wrapped around their own bodies after SNEAKING up close enough to kill and MAIM as many as possible. Cowards who are AFRAID to battle REAL MEN! But, of course, OUR POLITICIANS are in dread FEAR of being called Racists or islamophobic, so do NOTHING, or send messages of “Thoughts And Prayers” after yet ANOTHER muslim TERRORIST attack.
Best be ammo’d up with adequate supply, and get your Concealed Carry permit before the muslims completely take over HERE, folks!
Asally says
What great strides has Trump accomplished in slowing this tidal wave? What has happened so far to deter these people? The welfare cornucopia is still overflowing with goodies for them. I don’t see much slowing down of Islamisation of the US. Sorry.
gravenimage says
Trump is trying to keep out those from Muslim countries that sponsor terrorism, and welfare has time limits in the US (this predates Trump).
Not perfect, but definitely better than the open welcome mat in so much of Europe.
Dragan Krstic says
Till 2050 Germany, France, GB, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands will turn in bullshiot Afro-Asian states. Only East European states will survive as Christian settlements.
Save Europe says
As a Limey, I applaud your leaders. By then, I will have left England or died.
gravenimage says
You can also stand up for your civilized culture.
b.a. freeman says
i am willing to grant that most leftists want to help people, and that this is why they are supporting ms. merkel and her contemporary rulers in europe as they bring millions of “economic” migrants into their nations. as noted, most of these migrants have little education and few skills, most of which are not useful to a high-tech economy. even so, were they not muslim, the migrants would not doubt be to a man very hard workers, many of whom would get ahead. after a generation, they would be very similar to their native european neighbors, having only a different extraction. we have seen as much in the u.s., and it has been a stupendous success here. in spite of generous assistance, however, the muslim masses have congregated in their banlieues, collecting social benefits, selling drugs and doing other criminal acts, and refusing to become part of their hosts’s nations.
there were times when immigration became a huge issue in american politics. if i’m not mistaken, by 1920, immigration quotas were established, mostly because the americans already here didn’t want any more eastern europeans to come into the country. in 1965, the unconvicted murderer ted kennedy was a major force behind passing the immigration and nationality act, which got rid of quotas and allowed americans to sponsor relatives from the home country for entry and citizenship. this wasn’t just a man allowed to bring in his wife and minor children, either; U could bring in your second cousin 3 times removed. all one had to do was sponsor the person. nevertheless, as with other groups of immigrants, the new americans integrated nicely … all except for the muslims.
one would think that when there were problems, the officials would go back as far as necessary to figure out the roots of the issue. although i am in no way a scholar, i have looked at the quran, a few sahih ahadith, and parts of the “sirat rasul allah” (english translations thereof), and it is easy to see that islam is far worse than nazism. surely the officials in *any* nation blessed with pious muslims would make an effort to learn at least a bit of the scriptures of islam, if only to figure out *how* the jihadis are perverting it, so as to develop programs to head them off. as it happens, several eurabian programs have tried to do exactly that, and have not yet succeeded in turning a *single* person away from violence. golly gee, why is that?
i saw some postings from some poor deluded frenchman on another site that dissed bruce bawer. his lack of understanding of islam was so profound it was as if *nobody* knew of islam, thus absolving him for knowing nothing. any rational person would make *some* effort to learn what was going on in order to stop the slaughter, but they make no effort, not even to learn the scriptures in order to defend the poor defenseless childlike brown muslims (how’s *that* for racism?). if there are so many knuckle-draggers (counter-jihadists), why not force the government to set up curricula for the schools that would teach the scriptures in order to *prove* that islam is safe? but no, it’s easier to throw rocks at people who point out the truth. if anybody is acting like a child, it is those on the left, who riot to silence the opposition, use the powers of the State to silence the opposition, and refuse to listen to counter-arguments. when my children were 4, i expected that kind of behavior; i *don’t* expect it from supposed adults, and its results in the end will not be pretty.
e.j merkel says
While I don’t necessarily agree that ‘most leftists want to help people’, I must applaud your characterization of Ted (Lion of the Senate) Kennedy and your grasp of Islam. Well said!
Marilyn Griffin says
I agree about the Muslims in our USA. How could I not after watching what is happening in England, Germany, France, etc. In the USA, the Somali Muslims seem to be the worst as far as jyst plain violence. The problem is that Muslims gaved no commonalities with Americans or anyone else it seems. Everything, their religion, their religious requirements, their lives, their attitudes toward their own, and others, their degradation of females of all ages, their total intolerance of any persons and practices different from theirs, etc. They refuse to make any changes to fit into a new country but demand that the new country change to appease them, to make allowances for them. And we are watching exactly this happening in the USA. But, our immigrant/migrant problem, currently, is not the Muslims here. Instead, our problem is the Mexicans, due to sheer numbers and, unlike early America’s true immigrants, most of what we get today are migrants, poor/uneducated/unskilled, coming here simply because thry want what we have, not because they want to become American, want freedoms we have, etc. And so, we get millions of these people, legal & illegal, every year that are a drain on our coffers, send billions of our money OUT of our country annually, degrade our education system, overwhelm our medical centers causing many to close, abuse our werlfare services/our SS/our tax system. The majority are Mexican illegals, with tens of thousands more arriving every month. But, our own government is to blame for this constant invasion of the world’s poor/uneducated/unskilled over running our resources while our own poor/uneducated/unskilled are ignored and left to falter. Just as in the European nations, what is happening there due to their millions of unfettered, inverted, ungrateful, demanding, non-assimilating Muslims, is the fault of the government’s of these nations. They chose for this to happen, just as the Congress of the USA has chosen to not protect our nation against these hordes of migrants. I say migrants, because they ARE not immigrants or refugees or asylees, simply people deserting their own countries to move to a wealthy nation that will take good care of them free of charge. All of these nations, including the USA are FOOLS to give away their countries, and damn their people, so easily and quickly.
gravenimage says
Marilyn, I’m afraid you are mistaken that Muslims flooding into the US is not a problem. Have you forgotten Jihad terror attacks like the Boston Marathon bombing and San Bernardino?
Save Europe says
I have to say I would happily swap the 5-6 million Muslims here in the UK for ‘a’ 5-6 million of Mexicans in the USA. I don’t doubt you have a problem, but I truly know one group are far far far more problematic than the other. That’s not hyperbole.
gravenimage says
Wise choice, Save Europe. Of course, we don’t need any more Muslims here.
Indiana Tom says
A lot of the Muslim problem could be solved if the Europeans would quit giving them free stuff.
Same with the USA. They get more stuff as refugee status.
https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=stealth+invasion+leo+hohmann&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=241610619024&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1124821713226182942&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9016428&hvtargid=kwd-280474296175&ref=pd_sl_6b4fe3mtdx_b
gravenimage says
Yes–this makes it worse.
Walter Sieruk says
Those jihadists /Muslims with their insidious Islamic scheming for the Islamic, subtle and not so subtle, conquest of Europe by every possible means, including the stealth and violent jihad which is, indeed, awful.
As explained by William Wagner in his book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD .Which informs the reader n page 195 “Of all the continents of the world, Europe is probably the number one target by Muslim strategist who are seeking world dominance.”
Therefore, the Europeans would be wise to be on guard.
infidel says
I beg to differ.. Of all the continents, India too ranks as equal of Europe for conquest by Islam. And ps note that we have been facing and living with this unending plague for centuries.. I find it disturbing when counter Jehaad scholars ROUTINELY IGNORE the torment foisted on India by Islam. It is as if our sufferings do not matter at all..
gravenimage says
I think some people just don’t know the history. In fact, India has suffered more than any other place from the depredations of Islam.
Frank Anderson says
Mr. Spencer, please forgive my “knit-picking”. The most common math error in engineering and probably other calculations is the incorrect placement of a decimal point. Please check-I believe a Euro is about 1.25 dollars, not 12.50. So a trillion Euros would be about 1.25 trillion dollars, about equal to the total individual credit card or student loan debt of the entire United States. Compare that amount to the present value of the reparations forced on Germany after WWI and its destructive effect on rehabilitating the damage from the war: Not only did Germany have to rebuild itself, it was expected to pay from money it did not have to rebuild countries that *chose* to get into a war based on an alliance with murderous thugs. Small wonder Hitler had a path to take Germany as he did. “Be careful what you ask for-You may get it!” seems like a good cautionary quote from a source I do not know. As with GI, always with greatest honor, respect and appreciation to you.
gravenimage says
Frank–with all respect–the idea that Hitler had to invade his neighbors, oppress and slaughter millions of people, and engage in the genocide of the Jewish people because of reparations is much mistaken.
Moreover, if you study history you will see that there was a lot of sympathy for Gemany in Britain and the US prewar, including a widespread belief that demands for reparations were too high. Eventually, France–which had suffered most and most directly during WWI–was one of the few nations intent on enforcing the Treaty of Versailles.
The fact is that by the time Hitler took power, he likely could have gotten away with simply failing to pay further reparations, with few consequences.
Frank Anderson says
GI, as normal, you are absolutely correct. My proposition is not what Hitler did, or could have done, with the situation; but the origin of the situation where Germany was already crushed by its own financial and physical exhaustion after the war; and then the doubling or tripling or whatever magnification of debt that was piled on by the insane allies who could not think of the consequences of their greed and punishment. Germans were despondent from the defeat, which understandably turned to anger, which Hitler blew into fury, and all the really evil things that followed. Angry, furious, despondent people strike back. It all started more than anything else *in my opinion* with crushing debt and destruction of resources necessary to recover..
Now Germany has been betrayed by a government loading its streets with freeloaders, killers and rapists who plunder the very people who will pay the bills for their presence. The US has seen its national debt double in 8 years with no indication it will decline in the future. The “unfunded liabilities” of both countries stagger my imagination and suggest to me really bad consequences sooner than later. “Before you grab a tiger by the tail you should first have a good plan to let go.” (Kipling?) Enormous societal debt is a tiger that can kill a country, as I have seen debt destroy people, which is why I think the totalitarians use debt as a primary weapon on their path to control. By making all of us poor, they get to decide how poor and confined we will be in their paradise. Please remember my suggestion to watch Logan’s Run for what I think is a great illustration of the totalitarian goal, by whatever name or label.
Yes, I had a fairly successful practice in personal bankruptcy getting people away from tigers. Best wishes always.
gravenimage says
Hi, Frank. Many people today appear to believe that the Treaty of Versailles was the most unjust treatment of a defeated state in history, and that it could have led to nothing else but Hitler.
The problem is that this is entirely ahistoric. Many defeated states lost huge amounts of territory (and I don’t just mean the disputed or then-recently seized areas that Germany lost after WWI) or wound up permanently occupied by the winners, sometimes with oppression of the native population. The Treaty of Versailles was nothing like this.
What we tend to do is judge it by the standards not of most of history–not even of recent history–but by the standards of the Marshall Plan, which was the most generous treatment by victors ever–completely unprecedented–where the winner actually paid to maintain and rebuild the defeated aggressors.
So no–I do not believe that Hitler was inevitable–far from it.
Thanks for your suggestion about Logan’s Run. I’ve actually seen it a couple of times, just earlier this year on TCM most recently–I even read the book when I when it first came out. It was, in fact, one of the first movies I saw when I was out on my own as a teenager. A good little dystopian parable, that still holds up pretty well today.
Interesting that you were in personal bankruptcy. Did you also provide information for people in rebuilding their finances after bankruptcy? I am very much a supporter of bankruptcy law–knowing what preceeded it historically–but I know some undisciplined people have tended to go from bankrupcy to bankruptcy, which is not a wise thing. I’m not a fan of our huge national debt, either.
Despite our difference of opinion over Germany’s history here, I always enjoy discussions with you, Frank. Hope you are well, also.
Frank Anderson says
GI, unlike most other attorneys my solo in the most extreme form practice focused on what was best for the client, not lining my pockets with shameful unearned money. The clients who listened and followed my advice got along far better than those who didn’t. If my success is measured by my profit, I am a failure. But when measuring by the people who got off of the debt treadmill (“turning loose the tiger’s tail”), while not being abused into paying more than they could afford for stuff they didn’t need, I was a roaring success. When I started here the standard fee for a Chapter 13 case varied with the amount the debtor paid to the court, more money more fee. That was a conflict of interest that I fought for 7 years until finally the judges realized and changed the calculation. Guess who always got the lowest fees? Guess whose cases worked, generally? I have seen greed and corruption at work. We are seeing the same now on the national level, more or less worldwide.
I agree that the fools who imposed the Versailles treaty were following many previous examples. So did the people who destroyed me (taking *everything* except my life and license), thinking that I would finish the job for them. Instead, I did the same thing as the Germans, only under better leadership, rebuilding, getting stronger, meaner and more determined to have my day. By always keeping “within the law” I won. “Justice, Justice, Shall You Pursue!” I have obtained justice and made sure that I will never be attacked again. I have also published a plan that could help other attorneys deal with corrupt clients.
Wellington says
Frank Anderson: May I suggest your reading Paul Johnson’s account of the Versailles Treaty in his magnificent work, Modern Times. In short, while the treaty was flawed, the fact, as Johnson argues, that Germany was able to bounce back within twenty years of it, even after enduring insane inflation in 1923, stands as a testimony that the treaty wasn’t that severe after all (Gustav Stresemann was a particularly note worthy person who brought Germany back to prosperity by 1929). Indeed, as Johnson points out, what was left of Germany after Versailles was essentially what Bismarck created back in the late nineteenth century, i.e., the Second Reich.
Moreover, while reparations may have been a stupid thing to engage in, the Americans loaned the Germans more than they paid out in reparations to nations like France and Belgium. So, when this is taken into account, the reparations issue becomes a non-factor except as it was played up by many, including Hitler of course, in the German political scene during the Weimar years.
I am glad that you prevailed in the long run with your law practice. Better to have justice eventually than not at all. Take care.
Frank Anderson says
The idiots who put, I believe, 414 of 441 clauses in the treaty placing the entire blame of WWI on Germany, and taking every imaginable step to destroy it, asked for a harsh result. If Hitler had not come along, someone else would. I personally fought from a position of nothing left to lose; so I used everything I could get to teach the evil people who tried to finish me that they could not. It is possible that what I had read about Germany inclined me to learn from their experience. I am satisfied with my analysis of the treaty and its outrageous result. The “victors” totally discounted the impact of modern technology in their thinking, to their surprise and the death of tens of millions. German recovery, as Hitler proved, was more a matter of will than any other factor. Nobody ever expected that a lone person, sparing you my ex-wife’s graphic description, would ever be able with modern technology fight them all the way to the US Supreme Court and leave a record of their corruption that can never be erased. Thank you for your note.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, please recall that US loans were recalled, not renewed, following the collapse of the stock market and the 1929 depression, leaving German banks collapsed and more or less 20,000 businesses closed, exploding the unemployment rate and the desperation of all Germans. Hitler correctly predicted when the loans were extended that Germany was sitting on a live volcano of debt, which erupted much as he (and his advisers) predicted, paving the path to power and ruin. The relief Germany received from those loans was completely temporary and evaporated at the whim of those who extended them. Plus, the loans were expected to be paid back-they were not gifts. Germany used those loans to pay GB and France money which in turn was used to pay back loans they had to the US. This was a shell game which basically transferred a “debt consolidation loan” from France and UK to the US, that Germany under no reasonable circumstance could afford.
Individuals try every day to borrow their way out of debt; only to learn the new loan still costs more than they can afford. Watch television commercial after commercial taking advantage of the ignorance and lack of financial knowledge of consumers to postpone the day of reckoning, When the day comes, the disaster is far greater than if it had been accepted and dealt with earlier..The Biblical passage, “The rich rule the poor; and the borrower is the slave of the lender,” is profound truth. (Deut 16:1?) Slavery in any form stinks.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your reply, Frank. Sorry you had such personal trials–glad to hear you got through them. You sound very principled.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
gravenimage says
Frank, with all respect I still disagree with you about Hitler. I will leave it at this, though.
Wellington says
Frank: But for the great stock market crash of 1929 (and President Hoover’s ill advised attempts to rectify the crash by meddling in the economy, e.g., the Reconstruction Finance Corporation) Hitler was destined to Nowheresville. The Nazis were on the decline as the 1920’s moved on (from 7% of the vote in 1924 to just 3% in 1928). But for the Depression, Hitler almost certainly would not have come to power, as many historians have noted.
As for the US loans, et al. the Young Plan of 1929 reduced reparations by around 75% with payment to continue to 1988, so the entire reparations argument to the effect that Germany was too harshly treated, I have concluded, is mostly bogus. In fact, the entire idea that the Versailles Treaty was too harsh on Germany (other than psychologically, especially the war-guilt clause) is rooted much more in fiction than fact. But, of course, fiction drives events often times much more than fact does. Islam lasting for some 1400 years now serves as testimony to this verity.
Frank Anderson says
Wellington, we agree in all probability that Hitler depended on fiction. Whether we agree on the impact of reparations or not is probably not that important. German voters at the time did not see what I think you see. Hitler used the demand, and the economic collapse to galvanize enough Germans to obtain power, which he abused at every opportunity to suppress liberty, including non-Communist, non-Socialist, non-totalitarian opposition. Looking at the films and listening to the interviews of people who lived at that time does not help me see that reparations were trivial, or abandoned, or mitigated enough to impress the German voters who put Hitler into power. Hitler of course, once into power, made sure he would stay in power. When people are beaten into the ground, and broken in spirit and hope of revival, they fight or they surrender and die. Hitler made them want to fight. “You must either hammer or anvil be.” (Goethe?)
The Germans had 2 choices, Nazis and Communists. There was no third choice presented. If Hitler had not been there, where would German voters have gone? We are now caught between atheist liberals and religious muslims, both totalitarian, and obviously collaborating with each other. We need a third choice that is just as powerful in attracting a following and offering a future of liberty to see hope of victory. We (the US) have been saddled with 1) debt, both “funded” and “unfunded”, 2) freeloading welfare benefits to people who came here and never intend to contribute anything positive to our economy or society, and 3) a controlling class that has no concern for the life or future of us, the “masses”. The parallels, to me, between pre-WWII Germany and now, deserve intense analysis.
JM says
Wasn’t the damage to the economy already done by the time Hitler was appointed German Chancellor in 1933? Germany had already suffered the devastating hyperinflation during the Weimar Republic in the 1920’s, and was ill-prepared to deal with the Great Depression of the early 1930’s. In fact, Hitler came to power on a double platform of identifying the culprits for Germany’s ills, and re-building the economy. I suppose that his dark side got the upper hand once he was in power. And the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem apparently convinced him not to deport the Jews to Palestine.
There’s so much more to learn about him. Jordan Peterson studied him a lot, trying to get to the bottom of his psyche. Fascinating but twisted stuff.
Best wishes
gravenimage says
I’m afraid Hitler made his dark side pretty clear very early on, with Mein Kampf. Not everyone took it seriously, of course…
JM says
Possible origin of the phrase “be careful what you wish for, it might just come true”:
“It’s a variation on the old Yiddish curse, May you get what you wish for. The idea is graphically illustrated in WW Jacob’s famous short horror story, The Monkey’s Paw, in which a family whose son has been killed in a work accident wishes for him to come home, and deeply regrets it when he does, because they have failed to specify what condition, alive or dead.”
Source:
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-it-might-just-come-true-mean
JM says
Another example of the phrase “Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true”:
“It’s also a theme in various stories about compacts with the devil, who grant your wish, but not exactly the way you want it, because you failed to specify all the conditions. Thus, in the remake of Bedazzled, the main character wishes to be rich and have a beautiful wife. And he wakes up as a powerful narco-traffic ante in Latin America whose rivals are trying to kill him and married to a beautiful woman who hates him.”
Source:
https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-phrase-be-careful-what-you-wish-for-it-might-just-come-true-mean
Frank Anderson says
JM, another example why I *highly* admire Jewish teaching and am so disappointed with current local practice. Thank you.
JM says
Frank, I agree with you. You’re welcome.
Sentinel says
I was saying this right at the start of Merkel’s catastrophic decision to pile drive the German economy to destruction.
One interesting thing to note is that Germany knows this only too well and they would never have done this without the existence of the EU and their position as its governing body. Merkel’s decision was based on her plans for the whole EU, not Germany alone which is why she is insistent on migrants being doled out to all other countries.
The costs don’t simply relate to benefit payments, housing and education though that cost itself is eye-watering. Whole new towns and cities will have to be built with infrastructure consisting of roads, hospital schools and staff, police, prisons and every other social and public service will have to be invested in with little likelihood of there being any return in the near future is ever.
The greatest concern is that if an economy like Germany which is so strong falters under the weight of having to fund the migrant influx, the effect on smaller nations will be much greater and their economic collapse much quicker. Of course beyond that is the risk that EU countries will become Islamic nations with an entirely different regard to commerce and wealth. It would only take a relatively small demographic change for EU countries to set aside the whole ethos of the EU in the cause which is most important to them, not forgetting all the schisms in the Arab world at present. The ultimate cost of that nightmare is unfathomable and would represent the end of the West as a culture and free society.
That is the fear greater than any concern that the German economy will take a hit of a trillion Euros because economic concerns are of secondary importance in Islam.
JM says
If the European Union leaders including Merkel had Europe’s economic and social interests in mind, they would invite unemployed Southern Europeans to come to work in Germany. Unemployment in Greece and Spain are at astronomical levels, and native Greeks and Spaniards are much more suited to adapting to Germany than Afghans and Somalis, in both cultural and religious terms.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely JM that, If, is a key word.
JM says
My sentiments exactly, Mark.
infidel says
HEAR HEAR a trillion times… BIGGEST BLUNDER BY GERMANY IN ITS HISTORY far beyond the blunders of the two world wars.
Westman says
No big deal – that’s only 5.7 stacks of €1 Euro coins from here to the Moon, or a flat stack of €2 Euro notes extending for 34,175 miles(1.37 times the circumference of Earth).
“A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you’re talking about real money.” – Sen. Everett Dirksen
Between supporting unskilled and largely perpetually unemployed “migrants”, plus actually paying for its defense, the EU is headed for economic hard times. Merkel and Junker have managed to cripple the German economy in just a few years.
gravenimage says
Muslim migrants could cost German taxpayers over $12,325,000,000,000
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Germany is a wealthy, productive, and innovative nation–but there are limits to everything. In addition to all the other horrors this invasion of Muslims is bringing, it may well bankrupt Europe’s richest nation.
Wellington says
So, gravenimage, what is Merkel’s motive in this ongoing tragedy? Deliberate malevolence? General foolhardiness (she has a doctorate in chemistry so stupidity is not an option)? Gandhi-like insouciance of why the West is great (Gandhi being my choice for the single most overrated person of the 20th century, who never grasped, as Paul Johnson outlined in his magnum opus, Modern Times, that what he, Gandhi, really proves is the overall decency of the British Empire).
Yes, what is this terribly destructive motive of the current leader of Germany? Whatever it is, I see no way that it can be argued that it is enshrined in some kind of sapience. No way at all.
Marilyn Griffin says
Even though it is easy to blame the EU, they can could never have FORCED such annilation on these Christian or secular nations. Look at the resistance of Poland to having their home negatively changed forevermore by a strange, bigoted, violent, ungrateful people. England, Germany, France could have chosen to protect their nations, their sovereignty, their identity, but did not. I stand with Poland, just wish my USA would do the same. I have nothing against Mexicans, per sae, but I do not want my country turned into a subsidiary of Mexico with all its corruptions. And race, skin color has nothing to do with it.
Westman says
Perhaps some femalevolence? Or some reductionist logic, used often in science, that simplifying the problem will make it solvable.
Like Merkel herself, 30% of the EU’s women are childless and there won’t be enough workers to support the next generation of pensioners. Her simplified solution? Add more workers from outside the nation.
And the resulting social ramifications? That wasn’t the original problem. The religious leaders (Christian and Muslim), politicians, and industrialists all signaled their desire for Muslim migrants so the social effects were eliminated as a factor in the decision. It was in their immediate interest – voters, possible converts, workers, taxpayers, etc. Merkel just went along with the elite crowd. Intelligence does not automatically grant wisdom.
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly; there is a jihad horse appearing in the distance…
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
Perhaps some femalevolence?
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Oh, good grief, Westman–the idea that all women want to destroy civilization is just a bizarre concept. I had not imagined you to be an advocate of such nonsense.
Does Jihad Watch’s Christine Douglass-Williams want to destroy civilization? Pamela Geller? Brigitte Gabriel? All the Anti-Jihadist women who read and post here?
JM says
What possible economic and social reason would Europe’s leaders have had for wanting specifically Muslim migrants? To pay a few cents less per hour than southern Europeans?
If that were the case, then why not invite South Americans? They’d come happily, work hard, and not want to cut your head off.
Clearly there’s another agenda at work here.
Save Europe says
It’s more about securing votes – examples : in the UK, 75 percent of Muslimas do not work. Men – 55-60 percent. You then have the deliberate failure by the Labour Party in the UK to not expunge the virulent anti Semitism in their party, or local Councillors in the Notth of England to criticise Muslim rape gangs – to secure Muslim votes. Even supposed Right of Centre leaders appease them to gain votes.
Westman says
It was a joke in reference to Merkel, Graven. No universal meaning intended.
gravenimage says
OK, Westman.
gravenimage says
To be honest, Wellington, I’m not sure. Many Western “leaders” are just clueless about the dangers of Muslim immigration (and so is most of the citizenry); but while Merkel never seemed very knowledgeable about Islam itself, she actually appeared to be one of the more savvy leaders in this regard just a few years ago. I have no idea what caused the turnaround with her.
Do any German natives who post here have an idea? DFD? Andra?
JM says
Agreed, Wellington, and especially so considering Merkel’s own admission in 2010 that multiculturalism had utterly failed. Did she do an about-face in 2015 because of the Syrian crisis? The only two alternatives are that she had changed her mind, or that she was under severe pressure to use the crisis as a pretext to launch the Muslim migrant tsunami.
Wellington says
Have said it before and will say it again, to wit, that, long term, Merkel may very well end up doing more harm to Germany than Hitler did. If so, quite the “achievement.”
Save Europe says
Certainly Europe.
Westman says
And think of the unrest. Will the eventual violence begin with Muslim fundamentalists attacking “old Europe” citizens or will it begin by attacking former Muslims who left Islam?
gravenimage says
Westman, both of these things have *already* begun.
Save Europe says
Within Europe? The former.
Save Europe says
Yep. REALLY making a massive positive contribution to an ageing population.
Cheer Bear Girl says
These Migrants are not only a financial burden they also are invaders.
Diane Harvey says
Paying to be raped, have your streets littered and torn, have idle Muslim men just hanging around street corners, and on and on.
All done without so much as asking the Germans their consent or permission.
Are the Germans that stupid?
Wellington says
“Are the Germans that stupid?”
Either that or cowards.
Steve says
There is always an economic cost to supporting a massive population that have anti capitalist, anti democratic anti peace, and anti educations values. To make matters worse, this population concentrates only on submission, Internal/external Jihad and terror, pedophilia, rape, and domination themselves and domination of other cultures…..Of course it will cost $T to support this type of ideology. Not only that, there is a massive cost of destruction of property, lose of productive lives, lose of business, and lose of cultural identity, history, and economic stability…try investing anywhere in Islam…see what happens. A massive waste is all that occurs.
JM says
Islam is not, and never has been, productive. It seeks to plunder, pillage, and exploit its way to success. That’s the tradition as set forth by their prophet during his numerous and bloody caravan raids, assaults on villages, sieges of cities, and genocidal massacres. A cooperative, win-win approach is not in the Islamic mindset. Muslims are hard-wired for brutal conquest and domination. That’s the sad truth.
JM says
These two articles about Islam by the Freedom Center’s Daniel Greenfield are very enlightening::
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263118/why-islam-violent-daniel-greenfield
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262936/muslim-world-permanent-refugee-crisis-daniel-greenfield
gravenimage says
He’s a very good analyst.
JM says
Indeed, gravenimage
I especially appreciate his insights on the Islam-Leftism nexus.
gravenimage says
Agreed.
Ren says
Merkel’s Germany is rich. Let it pay for muslim migrants.
infidel says
Muslims are ALWAYS HIGH COST AND HIGH MAINTENANCE EVERYWHERE because they are lazy and always look for easy money making. That is why many of them take to crime easily and that is why one does not find them in occupations that tax the body or the brain.. And those that show some brain or hard yakka use it for stealth sharia advancement…. And not to mention, the costs involved in security from Jehaad on top of all this.. Inda’s state of Muslim majority Kashmir is one of its biggest funds draining black hole. Had Hindus been the majority in Kashmir, they would have made it into a top tourist destination rivaling the alps, such us the snowy and mountainous beauty of that place. But Muslims have turned it into a terror hellhole…U cannot expect anything positive from these fellows.
Matthieu Baudin says
It would have been cheaper and less socially disruptive and traumatic to have created long term career jobs for young Germans in Aged Care at the tax payers expense than to have embarked on this hair brained scheme of Angela’s. And with a little imagination Germany’s youth may have been persuaded to take the plunge and start raising families of their own.
gravenimage says
Muslims rarely work. They are not cheap labor.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Muslim migrants could cost German taxpayers over $12,325,000,000.”
Oh Germany … it’s going to cost you a lot more than that!”
Baucent says
But at least they will be buying BMW’s.
kouldb says
What, Germany imagined these Muslims would repay them for they’ve been given? Bah hahahahaha!!
Terra Nova says
How about those invaded countries, what are their national deficits or do they work like the “banks work”?
You lend people money and fetch 8% interest , but you lend out the same money , but collect every time you do that the 8%. How else can they provide such money, not covered at all by gold?
And every year you hear from those countries, they don’t have enough money for their own population.
And it is a fact that almost none of those leaders have children and those people think different, they do not have the same emotional feelings or empathy for somebody else ‘s children, so they do not care so much as we do, and do not care about their future.
And I had to laugh with Kouldb, did `Germany really expect the Moslems to pay back money, no ,
Germany will pay it all from the” MARSHALL HELP,” given to them by the Americans and Europeans, to help rebuilding their country after the 2nd WW.And believe me, all those leaders know what is happening, that’s why I think there is a bigger plan and it has to do with the NWO, the UN, the EU, the banks and all their scrupolous people. And they probably think they are safe when they go along with the Islamic people, they are either so stupid or so very scared, or they have other sinister plans with us.
It almost must be, otherwise they would do something. Be aware, we might be in for ome surprises, and not the most pretty ones, I guess.
Thomaspj Poovathinkal says
On the part of Christian World, instead of OBEYING and FOLLOWING The SON of GOD, it has CRUCIFIED The Son of God over and over again throughout the CENTURIES. NOW God is PAYING it back in good MEASURE as in the OLD TESTAMENT. Salvation lies in BEING true APOSTLES of Jesus the Lord like those in The Divine and The SEHION Retreat Centres, Kerala, INDIA.