When they conquered India, Muslims were benevolent and tolerant, right? That’s what Rutgers Newark professor Audrey Truschke would have you believe.
Ramadan Day 14 thought for the day from my new book The History of Jihad:
“When Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony,” by Aijaz Zaka Syed, Saudi Gazette, August 19, 2017:
AT a time when the Muslims are being hunted like animals on the benign watch of the BJP, two brave new books revisit a time when they ruled the country. The Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony under Muslim rulers, including under the powerful Moguls, argues Audrey Truschke of Stanford University, an authority on South Asian culture and history.
In her fascinating book, Culture of Encounters: Sanskrit at the Mughal Court, Truschke suggests that the heyday of Muslim rule, from the 16th to 18th centuries, had been one of “tremendous cross-cultural respect and fertilization and not religious or cultural conflict.”…
The ‘Culture of Encounters’ was followed by another groundbreaking tome on perhaps the most controversial figure in Indian history. Aurangzeb: The Man and the Myth is another brave attempt to understand the life and times of the last great Mogul emperor who ruled for nearly half a century and whose reign covered the length and breadth of India including Afghanistan and parts of Mynamar.
“The Aurangzeb of popular memory bears only a faint resemblance to the historical emperor,” notes Truschke as she seeks to clear the cobwebs that have always clouded his image. She sifts fact from fiction and the man from the many myths that have grown around him over the centuries, thanks to biased telling of history as part of the British colonial project.
She dismisses the myth that Aurangzeb had been driven by religious zeal and his rule was defined by the oppression of Hindus….
In my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, I introduce you to the real Aurangzeb, beyond these ridiculous academic myths, in his own words and the words of eyewitnesses to his deeds. Aurangzeb in 1670 issued this decree: “Every idol-house built during the last 10 or 12 years, whether with brick or clay, should be demolished without delay. Also, do not allow the crushed Hindus and despicable infidels to repair their old temples.”
A Muslim historian, Saqa Mustad Khan, writing just after Aurangzeb died in 1707, reported that in January 1680, Aurangzeb “went to view lake Udaisagar, constructed by the Rana, and ordered all the three temples on its banks to be demolished.” The following day, “Hasan Ali Khan brought to the Emperor twenty camel-loads of tents and other things captured from the Rana’s palace and reported that one hundred and seventy-two other temples in the environs of Udaipur had been destroyed.” Later that year, “Abu Turab, who had been sent to demolish the temples of Amber, returned to Court…and reported that he had pulled down sixty-six temples.”
Bakhtawar Khan, a nobleman during Aurangzeb’s reign, was also pleased, noting that “Hindu writers have been entirely excluded from holding public offices, and all the worshipping places of the infidels and great temples of these infamous people have been thrown down and destroyed in a manner which excites astonishment at the successful completion of so difficult a task.”
You won’t learn all this at Rutgers, or most any other American university. They’re too busy teaching academic fictions such as those retailed here by Audrey Truschke, and warning their students about “Islamophobia.” But you can get the truth in The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS: click here to preorder. The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS is the only comprehensive one-volume history of jihad in the English language, including not just the jihad in Europe but in India, Africa and elsewhere, drawing primarily on accounts of eyewitnesses and contemporary chroniclers. Arm yourself with the truth against the prevailing disinformation. Preorder here now.
St. Manuel II Palailogos says
lol India proper is characterized by cultural conflict. Muslim rule is always religious conflict.
Andy says
The Diversity/Freedom Paradox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMslgX2igP0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqWsBdrwVQ
Save Europe says
Agreed. We have sufficient non Muslim Indians who post on here and who inform us what Islam has brought to their country. I will take THEIR word for it ?
Hindu American says
80 Million Hindus died fighting the scum from Arabia, Turkey and Central Asia over a thousand years. This is chronicled not just by Hindus but also by muslim historians. 80 Million! How can we ever forget or forgive?
https://www.hindustanbooks.com/pdfs/6493883-Heroic-Hindu-Resistance-to-Muslim-Invaders.pdf.
WESTPAC Spy says
It could have been 120 million. In the first five hundred years.
Can you believe the BS?
” AT a time when the Muslims are being hunted like animals on the benign watch of the BJP, two brave new books revisit a time when they ruled the country. The Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony under Muslim rulers, including under the powerful Moguls, argues Audrey Truschke of Stanford University, an authority on South Asian culture and history.”
Can you think of a time when I more didnt want to think about Muslims? Than right now? Like I wake up and think, “How can I hate Muslims?” And then I make coffee. Here’s a thought. Quit throwing gay people off buildings.
WESTPAC Spy says
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history
You either let go or it will kill you.
Save Europe says
Agreed Sir! My best regards to you. ??
John Webster says
‘Ballad of Akbar and Aurangzeb’ here on YoiuTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLcSVq2x9qM
My little attempt to convey to contemporary Muslims that they could follow Akbar rather than Aurangzeb – praised by Raheel Raza of Muslims Facing Tomorrow, Canada and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown of British Muslims for Secular Democracy
gravenimage says
Akbar was not all that tolerant of Infidels, either.
Hari Singh says
Akbar conducted Jihads in his youth and his harem was stocked with captured Hindu sex slave girls and woman. The noted head of the Sufi Chisti order at Ajmer gave him a kidnapped Hindu sex slave girl as well.
mortimer says
Truschke should be fired for making such an unsubstantiated and inaccurate claim. This claim about the conquest of India is the height of dishonesty.
I do not say ‘absurd’, because I believe her error is intention. She is worse than David Irving who denied the Holocaust of 6 million Jews.
Truschke denies the holocaust of 80 million Hindus, the GREATEST RELIGIOUS GENOCIDE IN HISTORY.
melek-ric says
‘Truschke suggests that the heyday of Muslim rule, from the 16th to 18th centuries, had been one of “tremendous cross-cultural respect and fertilization and not religious or cultural conflict.”…’
Note the use of the weasel word, “suggests”. Not proves, confirms, or verifies through research. “Suggests” is no more than opinion.
Hari Singh says
Readers in New Jersey should demand that Professor Truschke should be fired for Hindu holocaust denial. No academic would dare laud Hitler, Aurangzeb and his co-religionists did far worse and murdered more people than lost in World War Two or the Jewish holocaust.
The fact that her book was reviewed in a Saudi Arabian publication might indicate where the money is coming from.
Richard says
I don’t know about Islamic rule of India being a time of cross-cultural respect, but judging by modern Islamic “grooming gangs” of Muslim rapists, I imagine it was indeed a time of “cross-cultural fertilization”.
Umakant says
It was 400+ years of bloodshed, loot, plunder, forced conversions and rapes. Its well documented by contemporary historians, observed by travelers. No positive impact on Indian society ever happened due to those medieval barbarians. It was Hindus who decided to take up arms and declared a dharmic war on barbarians, and within 100 years most Muslim rulers were reduced to ashes. Right from Hindu King Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji, Bajirao to Sikh rulers like Ranjit Singh and Harisingh Nalwa all fought till the end. That’s why we have secular modern India. Audrey is faking history.
WESTPAC Spy says
It would have been a one way street. I can recommend the book on the myth of Andalusia. By Andrio Ferandez-Morero. As well as all of Robert’s books. And I don’t mean that gratuitously.
Kepha says
I read Renandez-Morero’s book. He quotes copiously from a wide range of Spanish and Muslim sources, and deserves to be taken very seriously.
Carol the 1st says
For “two brave new books” the winners will surely be Robert’s “The History of Jihad…” and Raymond Ibrahim’s “The Sword and the Scimitar”. Ibrahim has chosen to elaborate on just the major battles over about a thousand years, but the two authors will undoubtedly cover some of the same ground mentioned above. What will make Ibrahim;s book a good counterpoint to Mr. Spencer’s is that he refers to not just the main historians, but gives more of a voice to lesser known, contemporary ones who had excellent reputations. Cross-referencing the two books should be eye-opening.
BC says
To be set alongside the peaceful coexistence of Al Andeluse, another Islamic myth
Isntlam says
No, you don’t understand. The Muslims only went there to establish safe spaces for the Hindus to pray in.
Budvarakbar says
Yes! – Yes! — of course! Everyone knows that Islam is a religion of peace! — Bush said so within weeks of 9-11-2001
Halal Bacon says
yes, however he said “hold my hookah” first
mortimer says
Bud, INDIA was where ‘religion of peace’ first appeared in 1930. Islam was first called ‘the religion of peace’ as late as 1930, in the title of a book published in India by Ishtiaq Husain Qureshi. The phrase was slow to take off, but by the 1970s it was appearing more and more frequently in the writings of Muslims for western audiences.
Carolyne says
I think Bush said that within minutes after the planes crashed into the World Trade center, right after he arranged for his pals, the Saudis, to secretly leave the country.
will Rodgers says
Another liberal ollege professor who probably has never been out of New Jersey. Take off thiose rese colored liberal glasses, and travel there to see how the HIni population and the Christians are fully ‘subjugated ‘ to their Muhammadan majority slave masters. Why do they pay these professors so much when they know so little?
Charlie Martel says
He who pays the Faculty Piper, calls the tune.
DogOnPorch says
Love to hear her version as to why the Hindu Kush are named as such. Lemme guess. They tripped.
Isntlam says
I emailed the following message to prof Truschke:
“Dear Professor,
Thank you for your book which tells the truth about Muslim rule in India and gives those Hindu wogs the treatment they deserve.”
Neil Shary says
Islam created a great civilization in India and Spain. There was no forced conversion. 80% of Indians remained Hindu after 6 centuries of Muslim rule and cross cultural respect.
Mahatma Gandhi, the father of the nation of India, once said,
“I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place in Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission.”
the Orientalist George Sale said:
“Whoever says that Islam spread by the power of the sword, his/her word is a pure allegation, because the sword was not even mentioned in many countries and Islam spread there.”
Robert Spencer says
These statements are profoundly unhistorical, as my book demonstrates definitively.
Brian hoff says
I disagree with you. Islam didnot become the majority religion in the middle east untril the 14th century. Than why didnot christian europe not aid the eastern roman empire in 1453 they have the manpower and the mean to do so. The muslim rule india for 600 uear and only 20 % of the population is muslim. I have to explain to some pf my muslim friend at the mosque why the British didnot trust the america traitor durning our war with then to gain our freedom they pay him 50 000 poind of silver. If someone offer him more money will he turn against us.I wouldnot trust anyone who convert to Islam by me threaten to kill him it he didnot do so.
gravenimage says
The vile “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
I disagree with you. Islam didnot become the majority religion in the middle east untril the 14th century.
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That just meant that it took several centuries for Muslims to drive out or slaughter enough Christians and Jews until that point. Muslims had conquered the region long before, and abused and persecuted the conquered population.
This is, incidentally, *exactly* what “Brian hoff” wants to do to Infidel Americans.
More:
Than why didnot christian europe not aid the eastern roman empire in 1453 they have the manpower and the mean to do so.
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Some in the West did come to the aid of the Byzantine Empire–but not enough. The idea that divisions in the West mean that Muslims invading and brually conquering Constantinople was a good thing is just repulsive.
And now–after centuries of persecution and the horrifying Armenian Genocide–there are almost no Christians remaining in Turkey. “Brian hoff” is gloating over this genocide.
More:
The muslim rule india for 600 uear and only 20 % of the population is muslim.
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Muslims were never able to conquer all of India–moreover, what is today Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan was at the time considered part of India, and was under Muslim conquest. Is “Brian hoff” pretending that these Islamic countries are minority Muslim? What crap.
More:
I have to explain to some pf my muslim friend at the mosque why the British didnot trust the america traitor durning our war with then to gain our freedom they pay him 50 000 poind of silver.
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What is “Brian hoff” babbling about now?
More:
If someone offer him more money will he turn against us.I wouldnot trust anyone who convert to Islam by me threaten to kill him it he didnot do so.
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I suppose what “Brian hoff” is saying here is that he would not personally force Infidels to convert to Islam–not because it is morally wrong, of course, but because he fears that they might not remain Muslim.
But “Brian hoff’ is not–not yet, anyway–part of a conquering Islamic force. Many who convert to Islam under such circumstances do not have the chance to leave.
And this is a strawman argument, in any case–no one here said that Muslims forcibly converted all Hindus, but challenged the false claim that Muslim conquerers treated their victims with respect.
The fact is that Muslim conquerers persecuted and abused Hindus, and treated them even worse than Christians under dhimmitude.
Does “DefenderofIslam” have a problem with Muslims abusing Infidels? I doubt it…
Wellington says
Fine decimation, gravenimage, point by point, as is your laudable modus operandi, of yet one more pathetic Muslim’s attempt to put Islam in a good light, something that only the ignorant or the malevolent seek to do.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Wellington.
Xyz says
When you say only 20% Muslims, you forget that they divided India into 3 parts. Will you not consider the then East/West Pakistan population into account? What about present day Afghanistan? It was also a Hindu/Buddhist majority at one time. What about their decline in percentage to now almost negligible? Either get your Facts straight or stop misleading.
dan christensen says
I have noticed that over a period Wikipedia apparently has cleansed its entries on the Moghul Empire in India for references to islamic massmurder during Moghul times.
Infidel says
Yes and even the cruel destruction of many Hindu Universities have now been sanitized..
WESTPAC Spy says
Not entirely. If you mean Nalanda.
http://4freedoms.com/group/heritage/forum/topics/india-nalanda-library-university-and-monastery-destroyed
Hari Singh says
Saudi money $$$$$$$ at work.
WESTPAC Spy says
Can you clarify?
WESTPAC Spy says
No doubt you have clarified. Did Muhammad Exist? BTW, thoroughly enjoining your confessions of an Islamophobe.
WESTPAC Spy says
*enjoying*
Keys says
@Neil Shary – Try viewing this on muslim’s in India.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TMY2YV9WucY
Hari Singh says
If Islam was such a paradise in Spain and India why did the Spaniards fight for 800 years, and Hindus and Sikhs fight for a thousand years to rid themselves of the religion of peace.
In Spain, especially in the South in cities such as Grenada there are yearly festivals still going on to celebrate the defeat of Muslim rule, why celebrate the loss of a paradise.
The annuals of Catholicism in Spain is replete with martyrs.
The fake history of wonderful Islam is only recognized in the Anglo-Saxon world which in its hatred for Catholicism created the myth of a Muslim Paradise in Spain.The books in Spanish[which I read and speak] say something completely different.
Spain is now undergoing a second Muslim invasion. !Que lastima!
Terry Gain says
Hari Singh
Thank you. I am not as educated as you are about Islam in Spain but I will forever raise the logical point: if Islam was so advanced 1,000 years ago, why is it so backward now? I believe these stories about the glories of Islam are based, not on reality, but the fact Muslims are the world’s greatest propagandists. Islam being described as a religion of peace is conclusive proof of the fact Muslims are the best propagandists.
Granddaddy says
“If Islam was such a paradise in Spain and India why did the Spaniards fight for 800 years, and Hindus and Sikhs fight for a thousand years to rid themselves of the religion of peace.”
Yes, exactly. And more than that, why would anyone believe in a “religion of peace” that points to such a short history of “golden age” which no honest person can point to as contributing anything to modern knowledge? The Modern Era of Western Civilization on the other hand started 500 years ago with the Renaissance and is still going strong. I guess Muslims have to dig for something good about their culture, otherwise they would be forced to admit the truth: there is nothing there.
Hari Singh says
Amongst the braves peoples in the fight against Islamic jihad were the Spaniards, and amongst the Spaniards were those of the Extremadura and when they arrived in the New world as in Mexico because they loved Islam so much they called several towns ”Matamoros”-kill the moors-sounds like love. Now that’s ”Islamophobic”
Richard says
Brilliant points, Terry! James the Conqueror, one of the Spanish kings who dedicated their lives to liberating Spain, was also a founding member of a group who dedicated their lives to rescuing Christian slaves from the Moors – even if it meant offering themselves as slaves to take the place of a slave they wished to free and whose freedom they could not buy. Much in Islamic civilization was advanced, but a so-called “advanced” culture means little about their humanity. Rome was a moral cesspool whose citizens were far from kind to those they conquered and enslaved. The main problem is we have our information and the pro-Muslim side has their information, so it comes down to a matter of whose “truths” do you trust. We did not live in India a thousand years ago, but we certainly are living through a rash of daily Muslim atrocities today. (Where are all the Hindu and Sikh atrocities?). And we are seeing how easily and desperately different Western governments and news outlets are covering them up. The great Spanish author, Lope de Vega, put it beautifully in the final line of a story about two twins who were convinced their former lives were really dreams, and the lies they were told upon waking up were their real lives: “What is reality? What is dreaming?”
Sentinel says
Makes you wonder how they manage to cut off heads and hands without swords. They must be very sharp teddy bears they carried and the victim who recently had his eyes gouged out by Muslims might have a different opinion.
If Muslims were so beneficial you have to wonder why Spain chucked them out. Were the streets filled with tearful Christians waving their hankies in despair ? – I think not.
Jaladhi says
What garbage and fake news are you spewing out?? Islam has spread throughout the world only by the threat of sword and nothing else. No sane person will ever convert to Islam if he/she is told the truth about Islam. It is the religious training that forces new converts to Islam to carry out murderous attacks against their own countrymen. Why – if the religion was so peaceful? Nobody be;ieves your rantings – the proof about Islam is right infront of their eyes!!
gravenimage says
What a load of Taqiyya from “Neil Shary”.
By the way, it is Islam itself that speaks endlessly of spreading the creed by the sword.
JayT says
If 80% of Hindus are refusing to convert to Islam, then why would they allow Muslims to rule them? You want to argue that the Muslim rulers were just so astounding they could call mana from heaven for the hungry to eat? Hahaha.
You bring up George Sale, who spent decades living in Arabia and cultivating his knowledge with the close assistance of Arab scholars. Did you think these influences would provide George Sale neutral and objective discourse? History is viewed by which side of the lake one is standing on.
I think the Persian historian, Wassaf, who lived in earlier times and had a better perspective than George Sale was far more believable – The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book ‘Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar’ that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.
This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or ‘Qazi’) as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:
“Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu’s mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.”
gravenimage says
Excellent post.
Richard says
Yet in all the wars I’ve seen between the Hindus and Islam, the Hindus beat the living hell out of the Muslims. One was because the Muslims in Pakistan were invading another part of their Islamic country and raping and pillaging their fellow Muslims! That is why we have Bangladesh today. So these monsters are not just raping because their religion tells them to, but because it is a fine excuse for them to come up with atrocities the world has neve heard of before. A fine religion for the Marquis de Sade!
Hari Singh says
The Pakistani Army loses because it is brutal rape oriented ”army” of which Jihad is its goal.In their attacks on India they always stopped to rape women.
They killed millions in Bangladesh as they were not proper Muslims, the Indian Army under General Aurora saved them.
As the USA sucks up to Pakistan they USA tried to stop the Indian Army with threats of moving an aircraft carrier into the gulf of Bengal.
I hope Trump continues to deal with Pakistan as they really are-jihadis.
Wellington says
Neil Shary: Mahatma Gandhi was a fool and a crank who believed nonsense such as women being superior to men because, get this, they could not experience pleasure during sex and that the Jews in Europe should not in any way violently resist Hitler and the Nazis in order to, yeah get this too, show their moral superiority.
Gandhi advised UK Prime Minister Churchill to seek a negotiated peace with Hitler, which is one of many reasons why Churchill despised Gandhi. What Gandhi really proves is the basic decency of the British Empire (had the Russians, Chinese, et al. been in India instead of the British, Gandhi would have been done away with soon like), something that was lost and still is lost on many, including Gandhi who went to his death in 1948 as confused as ever and who would be my choice for the single most overrated person of the 20th century. Gandhi made the gigantic mistake of thinking that martial endeavor is evil when, in fact, he should have concluded that using marital endeavor against evil is the route to follow. All this escaped this vastly overrated and exceedingly foolish man.
I always know that when someone invokes Gandhi in a positive way, I’m dealing with someone who is deficient, only the degree being a variable. For instance, you.
gravenimage says
Good post, Wellington.
overman says
@wellington
Well said.
‘he should have concluded that using marital endeavor against evil is the route to follow’
l suppose that might work LOL
Hari Singh says
It is now known that Britain had plans to partition India long before 1947. They did not like the socialist Nehru and his non-aligned policy. The British wanted an ally in the region and Pakistan was it, the UK convinced the USA that the Jihadi Pakistanis were better than the socialistic Indians.
Terry Gain says
So Muhammad lied when he said he was victorious through terror. And his followers did not follow his example even though their religion requires that they do so? And of course Constantinople wasn’t conquered after 700 years of attacks.n
Save Europe says
Which Western University brainwashed you, Neil? Can you also explain the increasing intolerance towards non Muslims in countries like Bangladesh, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria? Can you also explain how Afghanistan got turned from a Buddhist state to a Muslim state?
Wellington says
Fine queries, SE. But I don’t think you will get anything approaching a cogent response. Indeed, there will most likely be no response at all. Such is the way of things with those who defend the indefensible.
Richard says
This blarny was the basis of the movie Lost Horizon, almost all of which the studio wisely edited out. The hero said sink your battleships and disband your armies and the invading armies will see you are nice people and treat you with love. What invading army would that be?
Save Europe says
Very true Wellington. Just like Ibrahim Itace, the pillock will not have the guts to respond.
Rob Crawford says
“because the sword was not even mentioned in many countries”
This phrase is nonsense.
Phil Copson says
Neil – what’s it like to be completely mad and have no regard whatsoever for the facts ? Do tell….
Nabi says
Yeah. But near the end, with partition, when exactly the massacres that Churchill predicted took place–the Muslim Calcutta killings triggered the horror–Ghandi had more than ‘moments of doubt and regret’..
Infidel says
80% Hindus WHAT A JOKE!! U have to count the populations of Pakistan and Bangladesh as well before U say 80%… If U take that into account, the Hindu pop falls less than 50%.. SHAME ON U and UR CRUEL INTOLERANT FAITH..Truth cannot be suppressed for long..
Raj Reddy says
Gandhi was a dumb idiot. Do u know he even supported khilafat movement in 1920’s? This khilafat movement was to bring back the Caliph back on the throne of Constantinople.
When muslims started to kill, rape and plunder non-mulsims, he said the following in his news paper
“The Hindus, instead of running away to save their lives would have been truly non violent and would have covered themselves in Glory and added luster to their faith and won the friendship of their Mussalman assailants if they has stood bare breast with smiles on their lips and died at their post”
His statements to Jews when they were being ganned to death in Germany were similar.
Carol the 1st says
Echoes of some Christians who insist on strict ‘virtue’ (even as they become an endangered species) via “praying” for their assailants.
Ghandi seemed to favor wishful thinking as well.
Hari Singh says
Gandhi is responsible for the death of almost a million Hindus and Sikhs. He had no response the Muslim Leagues’ genocidal days of action that began the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Sikhs.
Gandhi could do nothing, he knew his non-violent actions only worked against the Christian British and Hindu Rajas but not against the Muslim Wazirs. Gandhi knew this from past practice, he put his people on a suicidal course. He was viewed by many in the Militant fight back Hindu community as a traitor, and was subsequently assassinated..
Since the Hindu and Sikhs knew the Religion of Peace’s drill, they fought back even better than the Muslims defeating the Muslims at their own game. Most of the time the Army of India fights jihad’s trained and financed by Pakistan.
Carolyne says
Ghandi was mentally I’ll and slept between two teenage girls every night. Even that pest Mohamed didn’t do that. The Muslim rule and takeover of India was cruel and vicious. Why does one suppose Mountbatten attempted to separate them into Pakistan, East Pakistan (Bangladesh) and India. Even then the Muslims were not happy and are still killing Hindus.
gravenimage says
Rutgers prof: Muslim rule in India characterized by “tremendous cross-cultural respect and not religious conflict”
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What a steaming load of Taqiyya. Hindus in India may have suffered more at the hands of invading Muslims than any other peoples–and that is saying a great deal. And estimated 80 million murdered.
Proud Kaafir says
What these academics are trying to prove is that the tiger eats grass. Even if you teach a tiger how to eat grass the moment it is free it will show it’s true nature. These people can go on and on about the magnanimous attitude of Islam during their reign in India and Spain. But they can’t fool people like me. The moment they start we know that it is the story of tiger eating grass.
KHarn says
It’s well known among circus people that the TAME animals are the ones you have to watch out for.
Tambi Dude says
Not to make too fine a point of it, occasionally tigers in the wild do eat grass when they are sick or constipated.
Stacy Girl says
Tigers get the grass they require from the stomachs of their dead prey. Just like mohamedans.
Carol the 1st says
But, but, but, the reporter from the Saudi Gazette was extremely impressed by Truschke’s work!
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Karen says
I would say that rolling over a nation’s borders, government, and social order in conquest constitutes a form of cultural disrespect, to put it mildly. Any “respectful” niceties that might take place in the aftermath of the carnage just falls into the category of “we were kind to our slaves”.
Nabi says
Sweet!
Gjallarhornet says
Why is it that muslims or islam-apologists always put forth this picture: “When non muslims have the power – it is hell for the muslims and everything is generally bad. Times when muslims have had the power on the other hand, were always a paradise for everybody and everything good was flowering?”
Apart from the fact that muslim rule prove its barbarity every day, making the image a above a falsehood, it seems all to be a way for the muslims to say: “Why don’t you give US some power? It would work swimmingly. Try it! What do you have to lose?”.
The answer is *everything*. Muslims must NEVER be given the power. It is suicide.
Carol the 1st says
They seem to have shrewdly developed the art of undermining their prey on a subliminal level through concerted and ongoing mistreatment (and now our governments seem to have joined in). You might call it “soft jihad” or better yet the “Chinese water torture method”.
When their eyes gloat as they offer you a crumb then you’ll know they believe they’re making all the progress they’re entitled to. So creepy!
Hari Singh says
The Muslim holocaust of Bharat Mata -India was the greatest holocaust in history, scholars such as Will Durant estimate that between 50-100 million Indians were killed by Muslims. All the major temples of north India were destroyed, on the birthplaces of Rama and Krishna are mosques. In Benares in Hinduisim’s holiest spot is a mosque made from temples.At Vrindaban one of the holiest places had racks for the forced circumcision and conversion of Hindu pilgrims.
Sikhs, the fifth Sikh Guru, Guru Arjan was fried to death on a hot plate for converting Muslims to Sikhism, the Sixth Guru was jailed, the Ninth Guru was beheaded, the tenth Guru was killed by a Muslim Assassin, his two younger children were martyred together by the Mughals in Sirhind at the tender age of 6 and 9 years old by being bricked into a wall when thy refused to convert to Islam.
Guru Gobind Singh’s older sons died fighting the Muslim army of many thousands at the young age of 18 and 14 years old in battle . The Tenth Guru’s mother died from the shock of her young grandsons being killed.
Millions of Sikhs were killed by Muslims as both martyrs and resisting the theocracy of Islam. Sikhs history is full of martyred saints.The Muslims made Roman emperor Nero seem like a choir boy.
Partition which killed a million Hindus and Sikhs was caused by Muslims who were bound by shariat to refuse to be ruled by a Hindu majority and so they began killing Hindus and Sikhs in the years before partition in order to get their own Muslim State from which to wage Jihad against India.
According to shariat Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains are all idol worshippers who resist Islam. They are given only two choices convert or be executed.
Even the so called ”good Muslims” such as Akbar the ”Great” made jihad against the Hindus and kept Hindu ”slave girls” in his harem.Aurangzeb probably killed more Hindus than Hitler killed Jews.He regularly fed Hindu Brahmin priest to his dogs in front of Delhi’s Red Fort.India’s Muslim population is all too often a fifth column, refusing secular government and demanding exclusive rights, such as polygamy.
How someone can call themselves an academician and say that Hindus and Muslims lived in peace when there is not one year that passed from the 11th century without the death of Hindus at Jihadis hands.
This is just whitewash to get Saudi money.
You’re watching the Islamization of history take place.
Want more on the horror of muslim occupation of India go to Voice of India web page.
gravenimage says
Fine post.
Nabi says
Great round up. And every place you see Islam dominant now was once the homeland of less satanic creeds, generally overrun by murderous Islamic mayhem–although some were brpought under the yoke a step at a time like we’re seeing now.
A k gurtoo says
Good post, and enough detail. Hindu religion is the umbrella religion of all Indic so called religions. Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Sanatana DHARMIK religion are conjoined and inter changeable with out rancour.
Keys says
Try this history lesson on Muslims in India Prof. :
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TMY2YV9WucY
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, in your fictitious book, not historical, you relied on biased witness accounts by Hindu barbarians,not cogent and irréfutable historical evidence. Thé learned professor relied on investigative historical evidence. In scientific historical investigation there are 3 sources :Legend (hearsay), historical records (documents) and archeological materials. The 3 sources have to concur to establish cogent and irréfutable historical evidence.The learned professor relied on the 3,while Mr Spencer relied on only one which is speculative Legends (hearsay stories)later documented by biased Hindu barbarians. As such intellectuals are not going take Mr Spencer’s book as serious historical accounts on Muslim rule in India.
Andrew says
Wait a minute. Is the book out yet or are you from the future?
Save Europe says
He has a DeLorean.
Sentinel says
“hindu barbarians”
A Muslim lets his mask slip and exposes his militant racist motives.
That speaks more eloquently than any argument.
gravenimage says
+1
Infidel says
Absolutely..
gravenimage says
As Andrew notes, Ibrahim itace muhammed cannot have read Spencer’s book, because it is not out yet, and won’t be until August–but he has done this before. He also does not say who “thé learned professor” is.
That he cites “cogent and irréfutable historical evidence” when lying about having Spencer’s work shows that he has no concept of what this means. But then, Islam rejects logic and reason, so this should not surprise.
Westman says
The necessity to partition India adequately refutes the “Islam is a religion of peace” myth.
In today’s academic non-science “publish for salary dollars” environment, poor or biased research will suffice since almost no one is going to spend their resources to investigate and challenge it. It can even be tailored to a benefactor.
Save Europe says
If you’re such a tolerant person then why do you consider Hindus to be ‘barbarians’, and as you usually post – call Christians ‘mithraist Pagan scum’? You’ve shown your mindset Mr Ibrahim Koranderthal , far too many times. Now….please bugger off !!!!
gravenimage says
And he always refers to “evil Jews”.
Ibrahim itace muhammed proves that Muslims *do not* respect any non-Muslims.
Stacy Girl says
“Mind” set. Roar. ?
Hari Singh says
WHEN THE BOX WORSHIPPERS WERE LIVING UNBATHED IN THE DESERT, THE HINDUS WERE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
Who would you rather have immigrate to your country Muslims or Hindus-’nuff said?
Sharyati says
Stupid pea brained dirty islamic pig Ibrahim, have you set foot in India and seen the monuments destroyed by your earlier Jihadist coreligionists? Did you check the archaeological records in the ASI? You can get millions of such chronicles authored by your pig shitty earlier coreligionists
https://www.stephen-knapp.com/islamic_destruction_of_hindu_temples.htm
See how gleefully they record these events you islamic piece of turd!! Think you talk logically?Leave islam, that is the only hope for you before your brain atrophies!!
Kilfincelt says
Response to idiot Rutger’s prof.: And they didn’t destroy one of the great libraries of the ancient world! Wait a minute! They did!
And they did kill a lot of Hindus! Wait a minute! They did!
Ray Jarman says
I have question for someone who has been to Udaipur or who knows. Is the palace in the middle of the lake (now a hotel) that of Aurangzeb’s or of a former maharaja?
When I stayed there in 1970, it was said to be the former home of the maharaja before the English occupation of India. To be quiet honest, I knew so little about Indian history, especially the cult’s attempt to completely destroy Hinduism completely when I visited the beautiful country and I feel that I missed so much by not understanding the history while there.
gravenimage says
Ray, the Lake Palace was built between 1743 and 1746 by Maharana Jagat Singh II (62nd successor to the royal dynasty of Mewar) of Udaipur, Rajasthan as a winter palace.
Ray Jarman says
Thanks
Stacy Girl says
The gentle professor should consult Nour on where to have her cliterodectomy done, and afterwards they can don hefty sacks down at Starbucks.
Neil Shary says
So was the British rule better than the Muslims?
The current ethno-religious tensions in India were stoked during the British colonial period, when Britain benefited by pitting Hindus and Muslims against each another while portraying themselves as neutral saviors who could keep ancient religious conflicts at bay.
The British came not to settle in India, but to steal and ship all the wealth out of the country;
gravenimage says
I see that this is someone who prefers the savagery of Muslim conquest. That explains a lot.
Hari Singh says
India has withstood with horrific human and cultural losses the waves of Muslim fanatics who want to conquer India. What was once the richest country in the world had its social structure overwhelmed. To see the future of the West as experienced India read some of these eye-opening books.
Negationism in India Concealing the record of Islam By Koenraad Elst A Great book on whitewash of Muslim history by a Belgian writer.
Understanding Islam through Hadis Religious Faith or Fanaticism? Ram Swarup Great understanding of Islam, but probably access to Robert Spencer’s equal work is easier and more contemporary.
Jihad : The Islamic Doctrine of Permanent War by Suhas Majumdar
Jihad : The Islamic Doctrine of Permanent War by Suhas Majumdar
Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947 by S. Gurbachan Singh Talib Detailed account of Partition Jihad by Muslim league that drove nearly all the Hindus and Sikhs out of what is now Pakistan Occupied India
Muslim Slave System in Medieval India by K.S. Lal
Muslim Separatism : Causes and Consequences by Sita Ram Goel. Another must read showing the future of Europe and the West by showing the historical modus operandi of Islam.
Theory and Practice of the Muslim State in India by K.S. Lal
THE STORY OF ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM IN INDIA SITA RAM GOEL
On-Line versions of the books can be found at;
http://voiceofdharma.org/books.html
overman says
Thanks Hari. l posted a video below on the first book.
Wellington says
Wrong again, Neil Shary. In fact, you got matters completely ass backwards. The only thing keeping Hindus and Muslims from going after each other, as Paul Johnson detailed in his great work, Modern Times, WAS the British presence. Once it was removed in 1947 the real slaughters began. Of course, you just might be foolish enough to think that this was due to the British, never mind the many slaughters between Hindu and Muslim in the subcontinent LONG BEFORE the British ever arrived there—hey, why let facts get in the way of a good theory?
Wow, it would be deuce difficult to get things more wrong than you have here on this thread. But you do serve one purpose, that being how general ignorance, lauding the wrong people (e.g. Gandhi) and invoking tired and old nostrums such as the British being only, in effect, scavengers in India, never mind they built hospitals, established all kinds of infrastructure, cured diseases, reduced illiteracy, et al. has a life of its own and is carried on by ignorant folks like you for, so sad, apparent perpetuity.
Phil Copson says
“So was the British rule better than the Muslims?”
Yes – vastly. Ask any Indian.
“The current ethno-religious tensions in India were stoked during the British colonial period, when Britain benefited by pitting Hindus and Muslims against each another while portraying themselves as neutral saviors who could keep ancient religious conflicts at bay.”
British rule gave India (which meant India/Pakistan/Bangladesh) the longest period of peace it had ever known.
“The British came not to settle in India, but to steal and ship all the wealth out of the country;”
Inter-marriage was actually encouraged in the early days of British rule. (which wasn’t originally even by the British government, but by the East India Company.) As European powers expanded, non-European countries were going to be part of somebody’s Empire, and it was much better to be part of the British Empire than to be part of the French/Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese/Turkish etc empires.
You seem to be under the same delusion that the idiot Benjamin Zephania – (I do beg his pardon – I mean criminal turned preachy self-important “poet”) – keeps blathering on about, ie – that the world was some kind of tropical paradise where lovely non-European people lived in perpetual peace with each other, in harmony with nature, women had equal rights, children had free dental-care, and everybody was environmentally aware blah blah etc until the awful white people came along and spoiled it all. Reality check – it never was.
Where’s your concern over the massacres perpetrated under the Ottoman Empire, for instance?
“Stealing” you say ? Where the devil did India get it’s vast tea-industry from then ? Like many industries, it didn’t exist until British rule because the plant didn’t grow there.
Your comments are just immature and spiteful – are you sure that you’re not Jeremy Corbyn ?
souare says
At least, Indians are quite fanatical about the cultural input, cricket. Even Pakistan too.
What did Islam leave of note in India?
Sharyati says
Not that the British rule in India was better. Of course it had its own disastrous consequences , economically and in terms of human catastrophe due to death of Lakhs(100,000s) of people due to artificial famines(The one in undivided Bengal) created by that Racist scoundrel called Winston Churchill, whom i would unhesitatingly equate with Tippu sultan or Aurangazeb. All talk of colonialism doing good to India or for the matter to any country is just nonsense. The main of aim of any colonial power is to suck till death the resources of the subjugated country. Saying things like “Oh but the Brits developed the railways etc etc” is useless because the Brits did not do it with any altruistic reasons but wanted to move materials and men to points of manufacturing and to points of conflict faster, simple, nothing more. It was not development done with the good of the host country in Mind, but for the advantage of the ruling country.
But i will give the Brits credit on their track record of temple destruction and raping of heathen women. It is infinitely far better than the Muslims. In fact if we take this point into consideration the Brits appear to be angels even though they were no less parasitic than Muslims. Other Christian countries like Portuguese went on a inquisition and a temple destruction spree in Goa and other parts of the country like in Kerala . In that state, another scoundrel, rapist murderer and buccaneer Vasco Da Gama caused havoc on Hindus and their practices with the written writ of Ferdinand(King of Aragon) and Isabella(The queen of Castile) . To the Brits credit, they for most part did not at least have the conquistador spirit of the Portuguese Catholics and thus did not use violence. But they did send protestant and Anglican missionaries to convert the huge heathen masses and concentrated on sucking resources economically. So if asked to choose between the 2 i would prefer the Brits with a grudge.
KJW says
While you are correct that empires, all of them, are after land, riches, and resources, there are plenty of offshoot things their colonies got which don’t seem to be mentioned much today as a balanced narrative, and some of the real. Is jealousy. An Egyptian playwright on Egyptian TV said, “I’m glad the British came here or we would have nothing!” Besides industrial things, colonies got radio stations, education, medicine, photography, weights and measures, farming techniques, fertilizer for nutrient poor land, many modern products, and run on electricity such as air-conditioning, eyeglasses, clocks, so many things I well know since I live in one of their colonies.
They discovered oil, modernized Baghdad, brought them planes, sirrd their horses, had Brits go there as tourists, and made newsreel films praising the land with respect which you can watch. Sure, they had their interests, but they also had many explorers who were just curious, excellent map makers, buildings left behind and whatever by the Europeans who lived there built for their own comforts. Other empires did not do that. The Arabs were pretty useless in this regard and parasitical as today.
British and other colonial European countries in their colonies, as well as America’s inventions, medicine, etc., have easily saved more lives than they ever killed. In America 60 million Indians died of disease, in Europe 75 million died of plague, 1/3 of Europe, but they got back on their feet. (England was invaded by the Romans too.) During the World Wars 60 million died from typhus. This is where the jealousy comes in, especially with the Arab Muslims: they didn’t do that-they were more destroyers and the so-called Islamic Golden Age, which ended with the Abbasids and the Mongols sacking Baghdad, relies mostly on Persians (pre-Persian Empire territories such as now Uzbekistan) and Greeks. Arabians were more traders and spreaders of emphatic they obtained from the vast areas and people’s they conquered.
Winston Churchill and William Muir were correct about Islam and their slovenly culture; Saudi Arabia had barely nothing even in the 1950s, their uluma resisted the radio in 1962 and the TV in 1967! because of religion and superstition. Even today a Saudi said said on Arab TV that, “We work for half an hour and talk for two hours.” Work ethic is another thing Brits, etc carries along with them to the colonies, at least mine.
The negativity toward the modern colonizers has become overblown, and it’s like I just got rosy ideas in school.
Something else significant to people’s lives: music and the phonograph and record inventions spread around the world to much joy. One can not overstate that. The Islamic world spread no such joys and even insulted black American jazz music (as they are still so racist).
The Muslims’ negation of their unpleasant history is despicable and Saudi Arabia has money in Western schoolbook textbook companies and even had the French add to books how crusaders weren’t nice or such. So, now the British who spread all this knowledge, science, history, and literature, are degrading education to suck up to those who deny, lie about, and dumb-down their kids, thus a lack of analytical thinking and integrity. (We definitely see that when they talk about Islam!)
Sharyati says
Of course KJW i will hands down agree to this. Yes there were many benefits. But certain laws that banned beneficial local practices and farming techniques like the banning of yoga and local agricultural practices to suit the industrial manufacturing cycles resulted in depletion of land and left many traditional agricultural communities in the lurch. India did not lack fertilizers and all of it were bio fertilizers. Excess mining of gold in the kolar gold mines resulted in polluting the town that it almost become inhabitable leaving the inhabitants impoverished. So i agree that a lot of good things did happen, atleast w.r.to India a lot of back breaking things also happened and we are still recovering from that.
As for music and musical instruments, we did not have the means of recording but had plenty of musical traditions and temple festivals, music festivals. So though there was no recording media there were enough local events to make up for the lack of media. And yes the sufi Muslims did adopt these traditions into theirs.
As for work ethic there was no shortage of it in India in pre Independent india. Only that it was mostly directed towards agriculture and entire villages had bumper yields in a good rainy season. Also most other activities and crafts were centered around the temple. See for instance this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLcxny7YSg. This shows village life in the early 1900s made by American movie maker Ellis Duncan.
Yeah in terms offshoot the Brits were infinitely better than the Muslim empire who relied on Hindu mathematicians and astronomers and agriculture laborers. Wherever the Muslims ruled, previously prosperous areas went bust and entire towns or villages became ghost towns or villages. They sucked the kafirs with the Jizya and hardly worked and went on with their debauchery having such a large harem of sex slaves.
souare says
Just some questions: why do Indians like cricket so much–and Pakistan too? Plus, who does India belong to the Commonwealth–which is not much more than a post-Imperial club for subjects of the British Empire.
Paradoxically, the U.S. is not a Commonwealth nation–despite that vaunted “special relation”. On some reflection though, maybe America just doesn’t want to have some British monarch as its head–even a titular one.
Sharyati says
Well souare liking or not liking a game or being a part of a largely ceromonial organization does not mean that British colonoliasm was good to India. Yes it proved instrumental in throwing the Mughal Jihadis out of power. Yet it perpetrated its own massacres. What about the Jallian wallah Bagh massacres? Roughly 1000 peacful demonstrators were massacred by Dyer. Since the venue had only one entrance which was blocked by Dyer and his troops people were forced to jump into wells and in the process got killed by hitting themselves on the walls. I am not sure whether you know the prisons the Brits used to keep freedom fighters in the Andaman islands. They were the forerunners of Aushwitz and dachau concentration camps except they did not gas them. the Rowlat act, the salt tax act etc some of the few laws/ incidents were the brutality of the Brits came through shining, if not more than the Islamic Jihadis atleast equal to them. Of the 3 colonial powers(The portuguese, the french and the Brits) that were in the race for India the most benovolent ones were the french followed by the Brits. The worst ones were the portuguese that landed with Vasco da gama. Those guys perpetrated the worst atrocities on Hindus and their temples, which could not be matched by the other 2 guys put together. But this part of history is suppresed by the government of India since this was religious violence(Inquisition of Goa) perpetrated by the catholics and thus the catholics could get offended and not vote
On the other hand we have a few 1000 Brits who chose to stay back in india. They speak very well, the local language of the region into which they have settled and have integrated very well. Apart from their skin color nothing can differentiate
Though we are part of commonwealth we do not accept the queen as even a ceremonial head of the state as Australia for example does. So India views the commonwealth as some histortical relic. This decision too was forced down our throat by our first PM Jawaharlal Nehru who was more English than Indian. Most Indians leaders did not want too be a part of the commonwealth.
Hari Singh says
Question? So was the British rule better than the Muslims?
Did the British have a policy of enslaving Hindus and selling them in Muslims countries? No
Did they enslave women? no
Did they destroy Holy Places? no
Did they kill between 50-100 million Hindus and Sikhs? No
Did they do forced conversions? no
Are there churches on Hindu holy places? no
Did the British help stop the Muslim jihad? [along with others] Yes
Who brought more to India, the British or the Muslims? Think courts, democracy, notions of equality, secularism and oh yes -the railroads.
Do the British still attack Hindus in India?no
Who do Hindus like better British people or Muslims? Ask Hindus where they would rather immigrate to Saudi Arabia or Iran or Britain?
Who does India’s cricket team have to beat? Pakistan’s team , you can lose to the Brits but not the Pakistanis.
Keys says
Fake news, and now fake history to prop up a fake religion by a fake ….
Fake, fake, fake, ….
Wellington says
Fake news, Keys, courtesy of the MSM. Fake history courtesy of what I have termed “DWDs,” i.e., Dodos With a Doctorate (my God, they’re practically ubiquitous in academia today such as this silly person at Rutgers). And fake religion courtesy, a la Ataturk, of the ravings of a 7th-century immoral and illiterate Bedouin whose made-up belief system poisons the lives to this very day of all those who accept it and of many who don’t.
Indeed, fakeness thrice over. Can real civilization survive this onslaught of fakeness?
Verdict still out.
KJW says
Civilization can still survive, but it will be like the Dark Ages, in that there was less of writing, philosophy, and a malaise that suppresses the soul. (Similar to how an Indian described dhimmitude in an articulate way in a preface to Andrew Bostam’s book.
I wonder, as I see comments here lately that say Muslims have no conscience, I suppose in how they deny 60% of the Qur’an and all the hatred in it. How can they read it and not acknowledge how non-Muslims feel about that when they claim it to be a perfect book. Likewise, currently, I tell Muslims why people get upset with them and how Islamophobia is hogwash. These things can be anything from lack of community consideration regarding their atonal loud calls to prayers that wake up people, to religious demands, self-appointed sharia patrols, a Somalian guy saying he wants stoning in their community in the US, to Muslims in Australia saying they want a separate state like in Indonesia. Yet they don’t acknowledge all these things and play victims.
So, if Muslims are fed with a supremacist idea, that Allah made the world for them, continue with their parasitic ways, I doubt many would care if they dominate or kill non-Muslims as their consciences don’t seem to display this today. However, such festers inside except for sociopaths and psychopaths (which also fits western elites). So, they’ll be tortured in their graves, so to speak. Then perhaps a new group of people will revolt and there be an enlightenment period. Since Islam hasn’t changed much, I’m skeptical they would do that but other people.
It’s surreal to even be discussing this in 2018 yet hunan nature doesn’t change.
Voytek Gagalka says
Aijaz Zaka Syed, as well as so many others, must have gained their expertise knowledge of Islam and its “tremendous cross-cultural respect and not religious conflict” from tales of Arabian Nights (aka. “One Thousand and One Nights.”
overman says
This guy is brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhtpUrr0so
overman says
Even more brilliant. Goes into everything in this lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16vmR9GkW9Q
mgoldberg says
The earlier conquests of the Buddhists at Nalanda offer a striking picture of what the ‘culture’ was within Islam. Nalanda was the seat of the then largest university in India, if not the world, at the time. It was home to tens of thousands studying, practicing and living that Buddhist faith and life. The muslims came, they demanded everything and the buddhist monks offered to give them… the entirety of Nalanda and the lands surrounding. All they wished to do, was to continue to practice being Buddhists.
The muslims offered a counter proposal: convert, or your heads would be on poles. The Buddhists wouldn’t and ran back to Tibet, after the innumerable deaths due to the peace of Islam and their ‘generous’ offer. That was Islam.
tim gallagher says
Like the commenters above I just cannot believe the unadulterated crap, the monstrous lies, that so many of these Islamophile academics come up with. Other people, everyday type people, may be too busy working and raising children and whatnot, to look into Islam, but academics have plenty of time to study and discover the truth about evil, murderous Islam and yet they come up with such garbage in support of Islam, like this creature Trushchke does. They try to propagandise for Islam with a Pollyanna-like view that seems to buy the crap about Islam’s being peaceful, etc. I suppose they must know they are lying but it fits their leftist agenda. Anything which seeks to fight against and tries to destroy our decent western civilisation is the sort of thing these maggots will support. It must be either that or they are just perverse and if someone said the sky was blue they’d say, no, it’s red. Islam clearly is and always has been endlessly violent and murderous and repressive so they say, no, it’s wonderfully peaceful. They’re dangerous people brainwashing their students with utter garbage about Islam’s nature..
mgoldberg says
Right now, I’m reading and I turned on the TV. SVU is on. apparently it’s show detailing the hideous rapes and murder by a gang that left a message..’All muslims must die’.
Now, I’m fairly sure that the writers of this actually believe such fairy tales and believe they’re doing good by inverting the truth: that is that rapes and molestations and murders by musims is vastly and exponentially more by muslims here in the US, as in all other nations. But they don’t tell that story nor wish too.
Such is the nature of fairy tales gone too far.
gravenimage says
Lots of TV shows and movies have been engaging in this grotesque projection.
mgoldberg says
Right now, I’m reading and I turned on the TV. SVU is on. apparently it’s show detailing the hideous rapes and murder by a gang that left a message..’All muslims must die’.
Now, I’m fairly sure that the writers of this actually believe such fairy tales and believe they’re doing good by inverting the truth: that is that rapes and molestations and murders by musims is vastly and exponentially more by muslims here in the US, as in all other nations. But they don’t tell that story nor wish too.
Such is the nature of fairy tales gone too far. Hence fairy tales like the above ‘academic’ lecture are the theme of our day…. talk about your idol worship
gravenimage says
You see a lot of this ludicrous projection on tv shows and movies now. Just grotesque inversion of what is actually going on.
mgoldberg says
The show on SVU is like watching an orwellian inversion of reality. The muslim family is hideously tortured, ,the husband slaughtered, the daughter raped, the one hidden witness they find is the muslim family member who just happens to have witnessed the whole thing, but is scared too tell the story because, he’s gay, and with no papers. So… they get him to point out the hispanic guy who worked at the restaurant, and he’s apparently guilty even though he has a good rep and references, but the day before the grand jury, the evil ice agents grab the gay muslim witness and whisk him away. Ice won’t give him up because he’s a ‘threat’ to national security, and the ice guys are heartless and unhelpful, except the black ice guy who appears to be supportive but you know, he he has bosses….In the end, the hispanic guy has to be let go, because of eveil ice, and the whole thing was a show of support for sanctuary cities …. and apparently the show is to be continues. I guess it’s an episode from last year or so. Oh icch. Wait! here comes the next episode. I will let you know what this show does with this.
mgoldberg says
So now…. the show opens with the muslim guy whisked off to syria. The two women from the muslim family ask why they can’t get their son back. Then… all hell brakes loose. Apparently two syrian guys kidnap the spanish suspect hector, and demand to know who killed and raped the muslim family… hector wails that he has no idea, looking sincere, and SWAT snipes the syrian guys who held the hispanic suspect.
Here is the listing of SVU that I found from last year which is when this was shown:
409 20 “American Dream” Jean de Segonzac Rick Eid & Julie Martin May 24, 2017 1821 5.80[41]
An extremely brutal hate crime is committed against a Muslim family who owns a restaurant, resulting in two deaths. The detectives investigate, but things become extremely complicated when a crucial witness is suddenly and unexpectedly deported back to his own country. This forces Barba to drop the charges, causing extreme tension, anger, and violence between communities on opposing sides of the case.
410 21 “Sanctuary” Michael Pressman Rick Eid & Julie Martin May 24, 2017 1822 6.22[41]
The Special Victims Unit continues to investigate the hate crime against the Muslim family who were viciously assaulted in their restaurant. When their main suspect in the crime is released from custody, Benson and Barba become caught between the Muslim family and the suspect’s family, both seeking justice for their loved ones. Protests in the streets start to turn extremely violent and Benson is faced with a tough decision that she has never had to make before in her entire career in order to make an arrest and get justice.
gravenimage says
What a load of tripe. This used to be a good show–now just false apologia for Muslims.
mgoldberg says
…So… the muslim guy was shot by SWAT and he’s another good guy who was victimized and shot (after capturing hector ramirez who was trying to get drunk after being accursed of being a rapist and murderer and he claims he didn’t do it, and Det. Benson tries to get him to tell her who actually did these rapes and murders and how he was there and saw it all.
….So far the ugly folks are the rapists, and killers and the ICE guys who rip immigrants out of the city back to their lands…..
Detective Benson threatens to get ICE to deport the wife of Hector, but the wife folds and admits Hector wasn’t home when she said, so now her husband Hector will have to take a deal.
Hector confesses that he was drinking and pissed that he’d been fired. He met two guys who wanted to get the muslims and Hector had no desire for any of this raping and murdering, he just wanted his money. The two other guys, two WHITE guys, were the perps, who raped and killed the poor hardworking muslim family members. The spanish guy was an unwilling part of this.
The white guy tries to put it on hector since spanish guys like to rape, etc, according to the president.
The white guy tells them to try to convince 12 red blooded americans that he’s guilty. He tells the detective that it’s their fault that his brother in law was killed in 9/11, and its stupid white liberals that are to blame for all this. I think that’s what they said.
Hector tells the grand jury that he did participate but didn’t rape or kill anyone. He tells how one of the white guys smashed the head of the muslim girl into the floor. outside, the crowds are getting violent. The spanish guy hector is wounded by a shot from the crowd, a white guy- who says he’s an american patriot, and hector dies……So, those two white guys are the bad bad guys.
And the spanish illegal wife, wails and weeps that the Dectectives help kill her husband.
The White lady wife of one of the white rapist killer is pushed by the detectives to testify against her husband but she goes on about how the white folks are never protected etc etc, but she’s married to a rapist murder. Benson understands because she’s a victim too.
The muslim lady, who’s daughters were raped,one killed, husband killed, brother deported says she remembers the two white rapist, murderer guys. The white guys at the trial look trashy. The two muslim women, left, are sensitive, head covered victims of these trashy rapist murderous white guys.
The muslim lady however, lies and tells the attorney for the white guys, on the stand that she told Detective Benson weeks ago about this. Benson tells the prosecutor that it never happened. And she goes on the witness stand and says she understands how the muslim lady remembered something later. The muslim ladies are angry at her outside the courtroom, they not having gotten justice, but guess who comes to the rescue. The white wife of the rapists, murderers, confesses her husbands culpability because Benson urges the wife to tell the truth before she becomes a victim of her husbands violence. She testifies in court that her husband wasn’t home the night of the crime. She confesses to lying about her husband being home previously, and she testifies that he had blood on his shoes and he explodes in court that she’s dead for this…… and so it ends.
The two muslim women get their justice.
The two white men are convicted.
People hold up signs in the crowds… ‘no one is illegal’
Andso it goes. A complete and utterly falsified fairy tale, full of false idols of sanctuary cities sanctified,
oh, and the story ends with this…. a mosque in east harlem just got firebombed- 5 dead..
Never happened. But the opposite did, does and will.
I remember back in 2011 or so, after the 9/11 mosque battle was going on, or over, I forget, but Detective Benson was peddling this same nonsense about these issues regarding the mosque.
Staring down someone asking about the issue of the 9/11 mosque she sneers contemptuously, and says ‘It’s a community center’…
And this is the fake news, the falsified news, the distortion of facts and inversion of reality, inversion of history. And this must be fought and detailed lest the liars continue to go unchallenged.
gravenimage says
There is also an Australian show called “East West 101”, which features a Muslim police detective suffering from the Islamophobia of a “Post 9/11 world”. No actual criticism of Muslims slaughtering almost 3000 people–including several Australians.
Instead, the only issue is xenophobic Australians who may not immediately embrace an armed Mohammedan…
Janwaar Bibi says
Western academics do not criticize Islam because they know they will be hunted down and killed if they do. They also know that they can get away with any lie when it comes to Hinduism because most Hindus have the historical awareness of buffaloes and will accept any rubbish written about their own culture and religion, particularly if it is said by someone from the West (i.e., a white person). If you don’t believe me, just google “Audrey Truschke” and read the glowing reviews of her books in Indian newspapers.
The most trenchant criticism of her work comes from Westerners like Koenraad Elst, which tells you everything you need to know about the lack of historical awareness and the inability to make intellectual arguments displayed by most Hindus. A rare exception to this rule is Dimple Kaul whose post rebutting Truschke is here: http://www.dimplehere.com/aurangzeb-iconoclasm-hinduphobia-islamism/
And before you flame at me for Hindu-phobia or whatever, please note that I am a Hindu from India, my Internet alias notwithstanding. We Hindus need to step up our intellectual game instead of alternating between absurd fabrications of Muslim atrocities and fawning acceptance of Orientalist lies.
Steve57 says
I guess it’s a good thing I’m not an academic. I am someone you don’t like. I am an American Naval officer. Still. It’s a retainer fee, not a pension.
Curious. Can I still be someone you don’t like, and still be bothered by this?
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history
Janwaar Bibi says
I think you may have misunderstood my comment and I should have written it more clearly. My main point was that the Hindu response to Indologists like Eaton and Truschke is pathetic – we either accept their viewpoint unquestioningly even when we know better or we respond by making exaggerated claims about what Muslims did. The real record of Islamic atrocities is terrible enough without the need for exaggeration, and we need to learn how to argue scientifically with people like Eaton or Truschke. Koenraad Elst is a good role model.
I am not sure why you think I would dislike you and I regret that I may have given you this impression.
WESTPAC Spy says
As an American Naval officer, I’ve known my whole life men wanted to hunt me down and kill me. No kidding. Go to any ISIS site. And here’s the deal. It’s not the first time.
Janwaar Bibi says
Please see my response to Steve above. And please keep hunting down the ISIS vermin.
eduardo odraude says
Because academics who really know Islam are mostly silent out of fear, the illusion is created that there is no problem, and the result is that mediocre, uncritical academics, fools like Audrey, honestly believe the benign view of Islam. After all, almost everyone who talks about it says it’s a religion of peace, or not that bad, right? So it must be okay, right?
These are the kind of people who if they don’t hear it or don’t see it, are unable to imagine it or conceive it or think it. Their thoughts conform to what is immediately in front of them, and they cannot think beyond what is immediately obvious. Or don’t want to, because it would upset the bias in which they are emotionally invested.
There were idiots back in the days of the Soviet Union who concluded from the near absence of internal criticism in Russia that everything there must be hunky dory. The idiots did not understand, or did not want to understand, that the relative lack of complaint was due to fear and terror and intimidation. The Western idiots had only ever experienced living in an open democratic society, and therefore had great difficulty conceiving other conditions. So those Western useful idiots in all honesty and naivete wrote positively about the Soviet Union. In a way, all the journalists retailing the “religion of peace” meme today — almost all of them — should for a similar reason be ashamed for being willing to voice their optimistic views of Islam. After all, they know or should know that the opposing views, the Islam-critical views, are largely silenced by death threats, terror, violence. The religion of peace journalists are in that sense a bit too analogous to the official Soviet journalists who knew very well that “the critical side of the argument” about communism had been silenced by force, but who went on arguing for the Soviet side as if the playing field were level. Most journalists today are not real journalists who actually care about a free press. Rather, they are just journaiistic scum, who talk a good game, but really care mainly about their own hides.
I recall another kind of idiot who was all too commonplace. If you brought up that there was no intellectual freedom in the Soviet Union, no freedom of speech, etc., this kind of idiot would reply: but most people don’t care about that. They just work in factories or farms or care only about concrete things and are not intellectuals.
Yes, it’s true that most people were not intellectuals, and perhaps did not care much about intellectual freedom. Nevertheless, the retort is so stupid, so thoughtless about how even non-intellectuals are influenced by whether a society is open or closed — the retort is so moronic about the significance of freedom of thought and speech, it just falls below “dumber” in the “dumb and dumber” scale.
The remedy for bad speech, hate speech, offensive speech is not censorship, but more speech, counterspeech. The only speech that should be illegal is speech directly and explicitly inciting illegal violence.
Chand says
“…………..absurd fabrications of Muslim atrocities and fawning acceptance of Orientalist lies”
True, Janwaar Bibi, got be wary of both.
gravenimage says
Chand’s pretending that Janwaar Bibi is *defending* Islam here is ludicrous.
Sharyati says
Jaanwar Bibi, half of the Indian press is sold out and most media outlets are no good and behave like call girls. So glowing press reports for her book mean actually nothing. Many people who are scholarly have attempted to debate her on twitter have been shut out by her. She runs away when asked the tough questions. Yes lies have been fabricated by orientalists too no doubt. BBut Aurangazeb being a tolerant man and cross cultural exchanges happened is a lie too far gone. The destroyed temples of Kashi and Mathura are there to be seen along side of mosques built near them. None other than Muslim courtiers have chroniclers have recorded such attempts. May be Jahangir may be called a tolerant emperor in comparison to many other Jihadi scoundrels but surely not Aurangazeb.
Janwaar Bibi says
It seems like my comment was not well-written. I am not saying that Aurangzeb was tolerant. I am just saying that in responding to people like Trushke, we should be scientific and dispassionate, and demolish them with good arguments and evidence, and not by getting emotional, insulting them personally, or by exaggerating what Muslims did (in some other thread, someone claimed Ghori killed 2 million Hindus, which I don’t think is true). The real record of Islam in India is terrible enough that we do not need to exaggerate what happened to reveal how awful that record was.
Sharyati says
Yeah put that way you are right. i too am for a scholarly rebuttal of hers. But when i tried to debate her on twitter i and my friend got blocked. The same happend with Romila Thapar. You see establishment intellectuals do not want to have real debates as it could prove highly uncomfortable for them
Saurabh Srivastava says
1. “AT a time when the Muslims are being hunted like animals on the benign watch of the BJP, two brave new books revisit a time when they ruled the country. The Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony under Muslim rulers, including under the powerful Moguls, argues Audrey Truschke of Stanford University, an authority on South Asian culture and history.”
Correction: Muslims are not hunted like animals. As a matter of fact, for the first time in 70 years of independence, Muslim women got the right to go to Non-Sharia Court/Indian Court in matter of marriage-divorce. Now the husband cannot simply utter, “Talak, talak, talak” [Divorce 3 times] to make the marriage void and null without any property rights to women. BJP brought this up. Only one person was killed in some remote village of India, and this one made the national and international news by Leftist Global Nexus. A Hindu Guy got killed in the middle of the capital of India in broad day light under honour killing by slitting of throat and forget about International news, not even national media sitting in the same capital of India showed it once on the prime time.
Let’s now come to Audrey Truschke. She is a Hinduphobic Islam lover. She called Rama, a sexist misogynistic pig by putting those words under Sita’s mouth [when she never called him that in Ramayana] and when asked to prove with the original verses, she cried sexism. She blocks everyone who questions her, the left peddles her as some great Scholar of South Asian Culture when she knows nothing. She loves Aurangzeb, the person who killed his brother, imprisoned his father Shah Jahan [the one who constructed Taj Mahal], slaughtered hindus, buddhists, sikhs, etc., banned music, had sex slaves houses of captured women from other kingdoms and his own, etc. She calls him amazing ruler who is hated for no reason.
2. ““The Aurangzeb of popular memory bears only a faint resemblance to the historical emperor,” notes Truschke as she seeks to clear the cobwebs that have always clouded his image. She sifts fact from fiction and the man from the many myths that have grown around him over the centuries, thanks to biased telling of history as part of the British colonial project.
She dismisses the myth that Aurangzeb had been driven by religious zeal and his rule was defined by the oppression of Hindus….”
Correction: Aurangzeb is as described above. Her whole argument is based on the fallacy of, “If Islam ruled India for 800 years and hated Hindus, why is 80% India still hindu?” Answer is because we weren’t sitting ducks. Marathas, Rajputs, Vijaynagar Empire, The Entire East India, etc. were fighting Islamists to protect Hindus. Sikhism was created to protect India from Islam.
49000 Temples were destroyed by Islamists. 5 Great Universties where the brightest students from around the Asia and Greek came to study were burned to ground, each burned for weeks. Every one in those universities were either slaughtered or had to run for their lives. Afghanistan Lost Buddhism this way. Pakistan is now 93% Muslim with continuous killing of minorities of all religion.
Rutgers provide platform to such disgrace liars and then the Westerners wonder, why so much hatred and suspicion by people from other countries towards them. Because the Western Social Science Academia is a civilization destroyer institution for most part. It finally started to bite the owners themselves now with all this postmodernism.
BRian says
India had the world’s biggest library, Nalanda, at that time. As the muzzies muzzled through the country, the books were too numerous o torch. A soldier asked the commander whatto do with all these books. He said, ‘Are they in the quran? If not, burn them, it’s all wrong. If they are, still burn them, we don’t need hem anymore..’
Matthieu Baudin says
You need to travel a long way south in India, into lands that successfully resisted Islamic Rulership administered from the north, if you are to witness large living Hindu temples. It is as if a steamroller ran through the north of what is today India. Furthermore, the BJP administration while not perfect, has on the whole provided responsible governance to India and has kept within the democratic perimeters that the country has long adopted.
eduardo odraude says
“The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history…” — Will Durant on page 459, Volume 1, of his eight volume Story of Civilization
Here are a few excerpts from pages 459-462 of the same volume:
krishna says
These massacres perpetrated by Moslems in India are unparalleled in history. In sheer numbers, they are bigger than the Jewish Holocaust, the Soviet Terror, the Japanese massacres of the Chinese during WWII, Mao’s devastations of the Chinese peasantry, the massacres of the Armenians by the Turks, or any of the other famous crimes against humanity of the 20th Century. But sadly, they are almost unknown outside India.
Unlike Germany, which has apologized to its Jewish and Eastern European victims, and Japan, which has at least behaved itself since WWII, and even America, which has gone into paroxysms of guilt over what it did to the infinitely smaller numbers of Red Indians, the Moslem aggressors against India and their successors have not even stopped trying to finish the job they started. To this day, militant Islam sees India as “unfinished business” and it remains high on the agenda of oil-rich Moslem countries such as Saudi Arabia, which are spending millions every year trying to convert Hindus to Islam.
by serge trifkovic
gravenimage says
All grimly true.
Sharyati says
what absolute dhimmitude!!!Not content with she being one she imposes her Dhimmitude on the Hindus of India!! What arrogance!! Did she ever see the current Kashi vishwanath temple almost sharing a wall with the mosque Aurangazeb built? The same in Mathura too were the Krishna temple there was demolished and a mosque built. I think Indian Hindus should take back the discourse of their history and not allow these kind of foreigners to meddle in our history and should not issue visas for these kind of people to attend conferences in India.
What about other temple demolitions in South india?The depredations of Tipu sultan on all temples in the south indian is legendary and is cleanly documented being just being less than 250 years old as seen in
https://paanchajanya1284.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/the-genocide-of-mandyam-iyengars-by-the-tyrant-tipu-sultan/
To add insult to injury politicians in Karnataka celebrate Tippus birthday in Melukotte where the scoundrel slaughtered 800 people including women and children. And this women glorifies Aurangazeb? There is only so much we can take!! A volcano is simmering underneath Hindu India!!!Wait and see what happens when it bursts!!
Krishna says
Yeah the Aouthur glorifies animal arungazeb
Chris Malan says
Another humanities monkey heard from. Ignore them all. Nearly everything they say is nonsense.
WESTPAC Spy says
“Abdali’s soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives…Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment…
What part am I missing?
“It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people…All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared.”
Except maybe the part about being scared.Yeah, missing that part.
indian christian says
India is suffering from the lack of freedom of speech and increased population because of Muslims
Chand says
Yes, some Muslim invaders committed horrible atrocities against the Hindus and Sikhs in the past.
So does it mean that the Muslims in India today have to pay the price for the crimes of their ancestors? Many Indian Muslims live in poverty and harsh conditions with rampant discrimination in jobs and opportunities.No human alive today is responsible for the crimes of their ancestors or even their parents.
Conditions of Indian Muslims can be read here:
http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/ten-years-after-sachar-report-no-major-change-in-the-condition-of-indias-muslims-4444809/
Recent atrocities on the Indian Muslims by Hindu gangs:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/05/attacks-indias-minority-muslims-hindu-vigilantes-mount/100951514/
Audrey Truschke is a scholar on South Asia at Stanford. I’m sure she knows a bit about this topic. I’m not sure about Aurangazeb’s rule (as I’m still reading up on it) but she couldn’t be wrong on all the other rulers, like Akbar. I know Mahmud of Ghazni, Timur the Lame and Mahmoud Ghouri were especially brutal invaders.
The British colonizers, however, made a conscious, deliberate and sinister effort to divide the two communities, especially during the end of their colonial rule there, pushing the idea of separate electorates for Hindus and Muslims, thus laying the foundations for the future breakdown of communal harmony and the eventual Partition of India, i.e. known as Divide and Rule.
Sharyati says
O common Chand do not tell me that before the British rule Hindus and Muslims were throwing themselves in each others arms and hugging each other. It was never and will be never so. At the core Islam is all about establishing Dar-ul-Islam that is all. All the Brits did was to exploit an already existing enmity . Muslims face job discrimination? Were so? Muslims are not in poverty due to any discrimination. But because of them ghettoizing themselves and following stupid clerics who issues stupid fatwas. What about the discrimination faced by Hindus and other minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh? Name one Christian or Hindu ,who is in any worthy position in those countries? The plight of Rohingya Muslims are talked about all over. But what about the Rohingya Muslims terrorists massacre of around 100 Hindus in Bangladesh and Myanmar? Nobody in the press reported. The Effing UN condemned India for refusing to take in the Rohingyas but did not breath a word about the plight of these Hindu refugees as seen in the below link.
https://bharatabharati.wordpress.com/2018/05/30/the-ethical-duality-of-celebrity-deprivation-ravi-shankar/
Islam never seeks harmony or peace and even when a country is 100% Islamic, the head hunting of Takfiris and Munafiques etc begins and they massacre each other like what is happening in Yemen and Iran. Just see the Ramadan “Slaughterathon” score card below
https://thereligionofpeace.com/
Blaming the Brits for everything does not work bro. No Muslim country on earth can be peaceful and has never been so. This is due to the pathology of hating the Kafir, intrinsic to Islam. By no stretch is this Audrey Trusche a scholar. I asked her several questions in Sanskrit on twitter and instead of answering them with a scholarly rebuttal, she blocked me on twitter. So much for her “Runaway” scholarship. She is just the western version of Romila Thapar. This Romila thappar cannot maintain a simple 10 minute, intelligent conversation in Sanskrit. But shamefully is the head of the center for Vedic and Sanskritic studies in JNU. All because her father and other family members were loyal court Bards and court Jesters of the Nehru family and his descendants. It is a shame with so many distinguished scholars men and women, who live and breath Sanskrit in their daily life, sub-standard women like this Audrey and Romila have taken the center stage on Sanskrit and Indological departments!!
Tambi Dude says
“Muslims are not in poverty due to any discrimination. But because of them ghettoizing themselves and following stupid clerics who issues stupid fatwas.”
Read this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11981677/British-Indians-a-remarkable-story-of-success.html
“Perhaps a more useful – but potentially inflammatory – comparison is with British Pakistanis, whose educational and economic results lag sadly behind their British Indian compatriots. Barely 6 per cent of British Pakistani students get three A grades at A-level (14% for Indians); among British Pakistanis as a whole, only half are classed as economically active.
Sharyati says
“So does it mean that the Muslims in India today have to pay the price for the crimes of their ancestors? Many Indian Muslims live in poverty and harsh conditions with rampant discrimination in jobs and opportunities.No human alive today is responsible for the crimes of their ancestors or even their parents.”
Agree with you Chand, nobody today is responsible for the crimes of their ancestors, but the crux is that the crime(Jihad against the Kuffar ) has not stopped and will not. There are still Jihadi attacks going on like it happened in olden days too. The Quran is an immutable book as per Muslims. And the verse of the Sword mandates Jihad on the kuffars wherever they are. There is no restriction to a people or time & this is a blanket injunction. So as long as the quran is considered unchangeable the concept of Jihad will exist. Yo say muslims are in poverty oppressed etc. Were Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Al Zawahari, Mohammed Atta, Afzal guru, Al Baghdadi, Al Zarqawi etc in poverty? How is that no other religion has terrorist attacks compared to Islam? What about poverty stricken hindus? Do they form terror outfit and shout “Jai Hanuman” and suicide bomb? Why does that not happen?
gravenimage says
In the past? Then Chand is demanding that we ignore this:
“India: Muslims beat Hindu women for passing too close to a mosque, three women hospitalized”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/02/india-muslims-beat-hindu-women-for-passing-too-close-to-a-mosque-three-women-hospitalized
And this:
“India: Muslims on way to mosque to pray stop to molest 12-year-old girl”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/india-muslims-on-way-to-mosque-to-pray-stop-to-molest-12-year-old-girl
And, of course, such horrors as the Mumbai terror attacks and the ongoing Jihad in Kashmir. *Ugh*.
Hari Singh says
She dismisses the myth that Aurangzeb had been driven by religious zeal and his rule was defined by the oppression of Hindus….
There’s a Sikh history-the most learned Brahmins-priests of India were those in the province of Kashmir.In the time of Emperor Aurangzeb the population had yet to be nearly all forcibly converted, to facilitate this Emperor Aurangzeb told the Brahmins convert or die. He had already executed some at the Red fort Delhi and fed them to the feral dogs.
The Brahmins prayed and ,it is said, Lord Shiva appeared and said , the protector of the Hindus is the house of Guru Nanak’ [the first Sikh Guru]. So they went to the ninth successor of Guru Nanak called Guru Tegh Bahadur. Guru Tegh Bahadur went to Emperor Aurangzeb and said if you can make me convert, the Kashmiri Brahmins will convert as well.The Mughal Emperor tortured some Sikhs who accompanied Guru Tegh Bahadur to death and Aurangzeb then threaten Guru Tegh Bahadur with decapitation. Guru Tegh Bahadur said he had an amulet to protect him from Emperor Aurangzeb, he was then sent to be beheaded in front of the Red Fort. The Guru’s head was chopped off and the amulet had a note that said I gave my head but not my faith-dharma.
Aurangzeb also killed dozens of other popular Hindu saints as well as the young sons of the next Sikh Guru. He killed an unknown number of Brahmins and destroyed all Temples he felt were too grand.
He was a religious fanatic and what she writes is the Indian form of holocaust denial and an insult to all Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists of India.
Hindus and Sikhs should insist this person be removed from her teaching position.
Sharyati says
Yes Hari support your stand. This women and this guy Sheldon Pollock another scoundrel who mis(re)presents Indian history and Sanskrit literature must be removed from their tenured positions. Another pathetic thing is that Harvard another leftist hell house university is starting a Tamil chair and is asking a deposit of Rs 50 Crore(Rs 50,000000/-) and our stupid idiotic Dravidian politicians in my state Tamil Nadu are now falling head over heels to give the amount and also plus hand over priceless manuscripts on siddha medicine, astronomy and ancient plant taxonomy to them. Plus it seems that the course content will be decided by Harvard . And for that too our lefty liberals and Dravidian politicians and parties have shamelessly agreed to. I am not sure whether they have read & understood colonial history and learnt their lessons. Not to allow foreigners to arbitrate our language and culture. It never occurred to these shameless people that with this amount of money we can establish our own university to research our own ancient manuscripts, but rely on western universities to do it. Sadly many people in India have not yet lost their colonial hangover.
IanB says
Why are intellectually dishonest and inept pseudo-academics like this woman allowed to keep their positions in US universities? Discuss.
Terra Nova says
There are many vulcano’simmering, not only the hindu’s vocano’s, believe me, and when they are exploding, it will be such an explosion, the world has not seen yet.
I wonder about Universities today. Who are their professors who educate them? Anyway, I have been so disappointed in Universes already for such a long time. Nothing surprises me any mor, but I want to be ready, when volcano’s burst.And it will not be pretty, that is for sure.
mgoldberg says
“…So does it mean that the Muslims in India today have to pay the price for the crimes of their ancestors? Many Indian Muslims live in poverty and harsh conditions with rampant discrimination in jobs and opportunities.No human alive today is responsible for the crimes of their ancestors or even their parents.”
Remember back in 09′ or so. Mumbai? The muslims from the muslim nation of Pakistan sent homicidal slaughterers there to do just that. And that they did. They even went after the a jewish chabad home, synogogue, and slaughtered the rabbi and his 8 month pregnant wife, cutting the fetus out of her, cutting off his testicles, and one of the children. This is the bravery of Islam.
Now… did a million person march take place anywhere in the muslim world raging at the homicidism, the enormity of this atrocity against the muslim murderers?? No…. there is never such a rage and condemnation of the homicidism. Only the denial, like you do, that it’s part and parcel of the theology, sharia, and history of Islam- everywhere.
Jedothek says
Note that Aijaz Zaka Syed need only use the phase “ British colonial project” to feel assured that she has convinced the reader that the views associated with that project are wrong. 90 percent of my students ( I teach college) are so conditioned that they would be unable to come up with the idea that maybe the colonial view of Aurangzeb is true and Truschke’s view is false.
Hari Singh says
Aurangzeb was born of the Mughal Muslim dynasty of Mongol origin founded by the successors of Tamerlane, Aurangzeb was not of native stock. Aurangzeb family came and brutally attacked Kingdoms in India, so he was a colonist-the family came to stay, he was an imperialist-he was a foreign conqueror. Because he was not a European, does not exclude him from the term colonist and imperialist.
The fight against Jihad all over the world is an anti-colonial and anti-imperialist struggle.
Peter says
Clearly, this professor is whitewashing the past. Hindus have suffered the most at the hands of Muslims, who have viewed them (and Buddhists) with the same murderous hate and disdain and predatory hostility as Muhammad did the Arab polytheists, for whom the formula was conversion or death. That started from “first contact,” remains the case today, and will continue for the foreseeable future. One of the legacies of British imperialism in the Subcontinent is that it temporarily ended Muslim religiously-motivated anti-Hindu depravations and persecutions. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Muslim Indians, and the Muslim world at large have revived them.
For a taste, read all the volumes of THE HISTORY OF INDIA, AS TOLD BY ITS OWN HISTORIANS:
THE MUHAMMADAN PERIOD (© 1867-1877 London, The Posthumous Papers of the Late Sir H.M. Elliot, K.C.B.):
Volume 1:
xxi – “The few glimpses we have … of Hindus slain for disputing with Muhammadans,
of general prohibitions against processions, worship, and ablutions, and of other intolerant measures, of idols mutilated, of temples razed, of forcible conversions and marriages, and of the sensuality and drunkenness of the tyrants who enjoined them, show us that this picture is not overcharged, and it is much to be regretted that we are left to draw it for ourselves from out of the mass of ordinary occurrences, recorded by writers who seem to sympathize with no virtues, and to abhor no vices. Other nations exhibit the same atrocities, but they are at least spoken of, by some, with indignation and disgust.”
116 – Caliph Ali sent someone: “He was victorious, got plunder, made captives, and distributed in one day a thousand heads.” AH 38-39 (659 AD)
98 – “When the Sultan Yaminu-d-Daula Mahmud bin Subuktigin went to wage religious war against India, he made great efforts to capture and destroy Somnat, in the hope that the Hindus would then become Muhammadans.” (416 AH, 1025 AD). “The number of the slain exceeded 50,000.”
Volume 2:
26 – 500,000 slaves
215 – “The army of Islam was completely victorious, and ‘an hundred thousand groveling Hindus swiftly departed to the fire of hell.’”
Volume 3:
433 – “the infidels should all be despatched to hell with the proselyting sword.”
Volume 6:
Mahomed Shah Bahmani
230 – “At this time, a favourite remarked to the King, ‘that he had only sworn to slaughter one hundred thousand Hindoos, and not to destroy their race altogether.’
232 – “and it is computed that during his reign nearly five hundred thousand unbelievers fell by the swords of the warriors of Islam, by which the population of the Carnatic was so reduced, that it did not recover for several ages. Mahomed Shah reigned seventeen years.”
See also:
“Negationism in India: Concealing the Record of Islam,” by Koenraad Elst (1992)
Hari Singh says
Pete points out a forgotten historical fact, the British Empire in India was one of the main causes for the defeat of Islam in India. Other native groups had independent kingdoms such as the Rajput. Marathis, Dogras and Sikhs and of course most of the south of India was Jihad free.
The Brits also stopped the international Muslim controlled slave trade in India and Africa.
Georg says
If there is anything the Koran expresses, it has to be cross-cultural respect; that is the takeaway from that book.
Norger says
By way of analogy, just wondering if any college professor would dare to utter the words “tremendous cross cultural respect” in describing the relationship between Native Americans and the early settlers.