Certainly at least one of them is guilty of a disgusting and obnoxious act. If that is enough to get one kicked out of the Canadian Forces, so be it. If, however, they are being kicked out for the crime of desecrating the Qur’an, then Canada is enforcing Sharia blasphemy law. That would not be surprising coming from the Trudeau government with its “anti-Islamophobia” motion M-103, but it still threatens the freedom of speech that is the foundation of any free society. If Canadians are no longer free to dislike Islam and have contempt for the Qur’an, they are no longer free. Would these cadets have been kicked out for desecrating a Bible?
“Officer cadets kicked out of Canadian Forces after desecrating Qur’an with bacon and bodily fluid,” by David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen, May 25, 2018 (thanks to Brad):
Three officer cadets will be kicked out of the Canadian Forces after they were involved in the desecration of a Qur’an with bacon and bodily fluid.
The incident with the Islamic holy book, which took place off-campus on March 31 during the Easter long weekend, involved four cadets from the Royal Military College in Saint-Jean, Que.
Other officer cadets reported it to Royal Military College Saint-Jean authorities on April 10 and an investigation was initiated the same day, the Canadian Forces said in a statement Friday. A video recording was made of the desecration of the Qu’ran — in which at least one of the cadets allegedly masturbated onto the book — but it no longer exists, the Forces said.
“Such misconduct goes against our core beliefs and is not tolerated, especially at RMC Saint-Jean, where future leaders of the Canadian Armed Forces are trained and educated,” the statement said.
Two of the officer cadets were served with a notice that they will be recommended for release from the Canadian Forces for unsatisfactory conduct. Another was served with a release notice based on unsatisfactory performance. One officer cadet was served with a recorded warning and will undergo counselling.
The officer cadets are appealing the decision to kick them out and a final ruling on that action is expected in mid-June, Department of National Defence sources said.
“At this time there is no indication that any of them belong to any kind of hate group,” the military said in its statement.
The military police and Canadian Forces National Investigation Service were consulted but have not started an investigation. That job was instead handed over to commanders at the college.
Lt.-Gen. Charles Lamarre, the chief of military personnel, said the desecration of any religious symbol by a member of the Canadian Forces will not be tolerated….
Tony46 says
I would be kicked out too….
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Susan B. says
I wonder if the same rules would apply if they desecrated a Bible? I don’t think so because Christianity is not protected under Islamic/Sharia law.
Guy Forester says
That is the only legitimate question regarding this. Unfortunately, I suspect that alcohol, possibly drugs, and immaturity contributed to the disgusting behavior of these individuals. People forget that when you join the military and put on a uniform, you agree to a lot of things, including a higher standard of behavior. Even when “off duty” or out of uniform, the standards still apply.
Unfortunately, this high standard usually applies to only the junior ranks and does not apply to the top brass or to the selected favorite identify group de jour.
Jim Troyanek says
Yes, unfortunately applies to the Jr Ranks only. And for proof, read the book “Tarnished Brass” by Scott Taylor. The General Officers of the Cdn Forces are a bunch of crooked bandits, looking out only for themselves.
Linda Clark formerly Linnte says
Uthman burned thousands of Quranic material including whole Qur’an. These young people put bacon on a Qur’an and probably peed on it, and that’s “disgusting”? Would you say that if they put bacon “Lord Of The Rings” and peed on it? There’s billions of Qur’an. It’s just a BOOK and an evil one too.
mortimer says
THIS IS OVERKILL and a grovelling prostration in front of the LIb-Jihad Party’s BANKERS. You wonder what the point is when a simple sensitivity class would do to correct their insensitivity. Recruiting and training officers is very expensive. A first-year prank is normal. A prank from a PhD is not normal.
I do not believe that burning sacred books is the right way to show disapproval. It is boorish and ineffective.
Sigmund Freud said that the voice of reason eventually wins after repeated rejections. Muslims are gradually realizing that Islam is like the Wizard of Oz… it is only a little man pulling levers behind a curtain.
We should be telling Muslims that the man behind the curtain IS Islam and that they should forget the Koran as a man-made hoax.
Urinating on the Koran is NOT a convincing argument why it is false.
gravenimage says
Great question, Susan B.
WESTPAC Spy says
I despise the ideology of Islam. The arch of my career as a Naval intel officer basically tracked that of Robert’s and others. I began studying as a relatively uninterested observer in the 1980s. then as a definitely interested observer after the first WTC attack, and then as a more fiercely interested observer when it became clear my own government was hostile to me taking interest.
https://www.usni.org/store/books/battle-midway/joe-rochefort
Joe Rochefort’s war is still my war. It’s my job to notice patterns. To read what AQ and IS post online. And, elsewhere.
And dumbs*** that I am, I notice a millenia old pattern. It’s what you, the taxpayer, paid me for twenty years. Now I’m trying to verify what most of you already figured out.
Robert is correct. In everything, in meticulous detail. My God is his God, the God of Truth. As Jesus says, “I am the Truth.” If Robert were wrong I’d call him out. But I can’t find it. Buy his books. Buy the book about the code breakers, too, but buy his books. Really there’s no difference. There’s a reason I don’t write books. Robert already wrote them. I look forward to buying his book on Jihad (which won’t be until August due to a little cash flow problem) to find out what I already know about holy war.
Not the bull**** about, “We never know the motive” you usually get from government.
Your Naval intelligence moment for today, Anno Domini 2018.
WESTPAC Spy says
I meant to conclude that absolutely nothing I had been raised to believe would lead me to believe I should deficate or masturbate on a Quran. I probably strayed off as I entered the territory of, “Do I actually have to say this?”
Cm says
Lol this guy is an idiot! Ok, he should be more aware of what is happening in Canada, he does not represent Canadians! What a fool! The Canadian Armed forces have become a joke under Trudope!
Hari Singh says
The Koran is a hate full book that has killed hundreds of millions.There is not a non-Muslim religion in the world it does not sanction the destruction of and the murder of its adherents. It is normal to hate those who hate you and wish your destruction.
The stunt was juvenile but does not warrant dismissal, but perhaps the Cadets saw that the increasingly shariat compliant aspects of the Canadian State were spreading and has defenders of that society they had to protest.
At worst the cadets saw that the stunt would lead to dismissal and that a life defending the increasingly shariat compliant Canadian government was not a worthwhile career. They took their stand and watched the anti Islam blasphemy laws take effect.The desire to be Canadian officers had left them as the young cadets saw that creeping shariat is the greatest threat to Canadian culture and principles.
melek-ric says
Somehow I don’t believe that standing up against a threat to Canadian culture and principles was in the forefront of their minds as they masturbated onto that Koran, nor did they bacon-slap it as a repudiation of Sharia. It sounds like they’re idiotic, boorish morons who have, at best, a faint inkling that Islam is a problem but their Kindergarten intellects couldn’t compose a rational thought among the lot of them. Actions like these play right into the hands of Islamic apologists and make our job more difficult.
Besides, I wouldn’t want cretins like these as officers in the nation’s armed forces. By the time a recruit becomes an officer cadet, he or she should be mature, responsible and capable of debate and rational argument. This stunt revealed these young peoples’ deficiencies and their commanders were right to dismiss them, regardless of the authorities’ position on “Islamophobia”. That’s another thing altogether.
boakai ngombu says
they did not desecrate anything other than a book of teachings that (1) encourage people to disobey the Ten Commandments to their detriment. …
and (2) to deny Jesus – Savior and Lord – who would deliver them from everlasting hellfire upon their true repentance of sin against the Commandments and believing that Jesus has both the authority and ability to absolve them of their sin, remove their guilt and deliver them from everlasting condemnation..
Hari Singh says
Christians should get the message out that both Jesus and Mohammad cannot both be true prophets at the same time.
Here’s some rough notes to begin with;Quran affirms Bible Validity
The Qur’an affirms the inspiration of the Christian scriptures (see 3:3–4, 7:157, 10:94, etc.). It also commands Christians to judge by what we read in the gospel (5:47), which makes no sense if the gospel has been significantly altered.
Contrary to Muslim charges of corruption, the Qur’an claims that no one is capable of corrupting God’s Word (6:114–115, 18:27)
Thus, a dilemma rises to the surface. If the Gospels are reliable, Muhammad cannot be a prophet, because the Gospels contradict Muhammad’s teachings. Alternatively, if the Gospels are unreliable, Muhammad cannot be a prophet, because Muhammad proclaimed the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Christian scriptures. Either way, Muhammad cannot be a prophet
Muhammad is not a true prophet
1) Koran says Jesus did not die on cross it just looked that way.
Suras Al Nisah
And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.surah al nisah 4:157
Making Allah the perpetrator of the world biggest fraud as 1/3 Of the world’s people believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead..
So if Jesus made false predictions he is not a prophet and neither is Muhammad for believing in him.
If Jesus is true Muhammad is not. You cannot believe the Koran and the New Testament, if one is true the other is not. If the Koran is true then the bible is false, but Muhammad said the Bible is true [see above]
If Muhammad is true Jesus is not and therefore Muhammad is not true for believing in Jesus who made false predictions about suffering on the Cross and later Rising from the dead.
Go to David Woods Acts 17 or Jay Smith on Pfander on youtube
WESTPAC Spy says
No truer words.
Ross says
Splooge on, cadets.
AO says
I would kick them out also. Stopping sharia law doesn’t require that s***. These morons are not officer material. When people do this stuff, they make operations far more difficult for every soldier downrange.
Islam is violent. Islam threatens western civilization. Western civilization doesn’t require morons like these cadets – they aren’t helping the long fight.
Indiana Tom says
Islam is violent. Islam threatens western civilization.
they make operations far more difficult for every soldier downrange.
They hate our guts anyway. Appeasing them is an exercise in just kidding yourself and everyone else.
The more appeasement they get, the more they think that Islam is strong and we are weak.
Trump was right to move the Embassy to Jerusalem versus caving all the time.
RichardL says
As an officer I am appalled by cadets masturbating and filming it. I certainly would not ever want these people under my command nor be commanded by them. That a koran was involved is inconsequential.
Indiana Tom says
Actually, I would not want them under my command if they did not desecrate a Koran. PC is not me.
Benedict says
Maybe these cadets somehow intuited that Islam through the Koran and its puppeteering desecrates the human race – and who could disagree? – and therefore wanted to demonstrate their opinion about that? If this is the case, it could and should have been done in a less bizarre way.
Jettie Olson says
Is it OK for our Canadian troops to kill muslim combatants on the battle field, or do they just have to surrender? Oh, right, trudeau is sending our troops (including many women) to Mali to be UN peacekeepers, so definitely no bullets, even when the women are beaten & raped. No wonder so many Canadian troops come home with PTSD.
Mr F Middleton says
The general calls the Koran ‘a religious icon’, the bozo. If Muslim cadets did same to actual icons, would anyone do anything?
Linda says
Islam is maybe a small percent religion, but it’s almost totally a political ideology. Emphasis needs to be taken off the religious aspect, if there is one, and placed squarely on the political aspect of that “faith” so that no one is required to revere a political document.
Prebanian says
There was no need for anyone to be punished so excessively for this exercise of free speech/free expression. I recall when the U.S. Endowment for the Arts funded an artist to create a work consisting of a crucifix half immersed in urine. The artist was not punished. Good. If the military school which they were attending wanted to teach them to think long and hard before exercising them opinions, they could have administered some lesser way of teaching, not attacking these cadets. Canada is terrorized and wants to be minimized. No freedoms. Just submission. Islam is IV&V: Intolerant, volatile, and violent.
elee says
Well said sir or madam.
Indiana Tom says
Three officer cadets will be kicked out of the Canadian Forces after they were involved in the desecration of a Qur’an with bacon and bodily fluid.
Well….geee…..everyone knows they should have used camel urine; then everything would be halal.
Samuel Clemons says
Mental defect is the strength of islam. 1400 years of inbreeding has cemented its future. Sharing the truth about Muslims will hasten their demise. Eat more pork.
somehistory says
They desecrated the bacon.
It is not even possible to desecrate something that is evil and filthy. The unholy book of islam desecrates the sanctity of human life and worship of our Creator by lies concerning these. That book of unholy filth cannot be desecrated by what anyone may do with it.
The young man who went further than wasting bacon showed a lack of self respect. Discipline may be necessary in his case, but it should be considered apart from the feelings about a book of filth and evil.
elee says
Well spoken somehistory. Either that s@@t gets extirpated or we bid farewell to basic human decency. So far it doesn’t look good if one favors human decency.
jude newman says
Sucking up to islam. The muslim person who murdered the soldiers at Fort Hood was reportedly still receiving wages from the army while in prison awaiting trial, so for murder he gets to stay as a employee of the armed forces while at the same time other soldiers are sacked for desecrating the koran,
The injustice here cries out for justice, this can’t go on much longer.
Tom says
We patriotic Canadians should neither want, nor stand for, the type of behaviour displayed by the four cadets. It was disgusting and warranted punishment of the most stringent nature.
We all rightly object to and villify Islam for its hatred and its geopolitical ambitions, its methods of terrorism and murder, and its manipulation of our political system with the goal of the destruction of our culture and the subjugation of our way of life to the Sharia, BUT, WE are the civilized ones who know that barbaric behaviour is expected from Islam, a third world cult, but NOT acceptable to a culture based upon the teachings of Christianity.
I also sometimes am so disgusted by Islam and its proponents that I want to strike back in a way that is against my upbringing, but my cultural conscience tells me it is wrong and will ultimately only give ammunition to those in Islam, and their appeasing supporters, who are waiting for such opportunities to further advance their strategy of destroying our freedoms and establishing Sharia in Canada.
There are some things which are done in the fight against Islamic oppression and which are acceptable to the everyday Canadian, desecrating a book held by muslims as “holy” is not one of them. If we are to defeat the Sharia creep in Canada, we must maintain the high road in our fight against radical Islam.
Ewanda says
The Canadian Military has been itself disciplined and chastened and put in their place when their head government official chose to give $10.5 million dollars to a Canadian citizen who murdered one of their Allies. When you are told you are not worthwhile, you tend to act to fulfill that image. Standing alongside our Military would have sentenced Khadr to being exiled, banished from Canada. Let’s hope that this extreme disciplinary action will make these ex wanted-to-be-officers more knowledgeable about the stranglehold the 7th century Islam is achieving in our country.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“Hypocrisy” is the best word for it. Were these words of criticism used against Andres Serrano, the American photographer who produced “Immersion (Piss Christ)”? No, he was hailed as a great artist, a genius. Did Serrano lose anything like a job over it? Did he have to go into hiding or go to jail? No, he was celebrated! He continues to get funding.
People who protested against shows of Serrano vile work were/are called neo-Nazis or members of far-right groups. (Furthermore, Serrano has the audacity to call himself a Christian.)
Again, compare the worst that these young cadets have done to what Serrano does and continues to do FOR A LIVING, and is celebrated as a result. “Hypocrisy” is the only word for it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Serrano
Infidel says
The establishment all over the Greater West is FORCING people to take law in their own hands….. It is going to lead to such strife that will even put the likes of the Myanmar exodus to SHAME
Johm says
This is not a relidgion ! It is a geopolitical system and should be banned from Canada ! A debotched system full of mistakes !
Jesus Christ is Lord ! He will be coming soon to take vengeance upon these heathens !
JawsV says
Yes, Islam is a religion. A BAD religion. It’s got Jihad.
gravenimage says
Yep.
JettieG says
No. Islam is an ideology dreamed up by muhammed and based on real religions but to his ends. Lent, Ramadan, Jewish Lent (forgot the name), no pork, etc. His followers were a blood-thirsty lot and they forced other traders to submit, pay taxes or worse. All they wanted were riches, territories and power. Nothing’s changed today.
Older Canadian says
It is obvious the Lt-Gen has not read the entire koran, otherwise he would at least hesitate before calling it a religious symbol that deserves respect. But then again being a good soldier he most likely is only following justin trudeau’s command.
dan christensen says
Lt.-Gen. Charles Lamarre is looking for a promotion at the cost of his own honour. The christians must be punished if they are not respecting islam at least as much as muslims pretend to do – says Soros.
Spikey Ow'ns says
I don’t know whether they’d be kicked out or not for desecrating a bible, but we likely wouldn’t get a story about it from the media if they were. Virtue-signalling to the muslim community by showing them that sharia is being applied by the Canadian government is to be expected, especially with Prince Justin in charge. They have to placate the mob or we’d have riots similar to those that happen in Pakistan whenever Islam or a Quran is ‘desecrated’.
No Muzzies Here says
Would they be kicked out for doing this to the Bible? No. So yes, it’s enforcement of Sharia.
Spot Light says
This book is hungry for our blood , not for bacon and bodily fluid.-
” Quran(3:28) “Muslim’s must not take infidels as their friends” Quran(3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable” Quran (5;33) “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Quran(8:12) “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Quran” Quran(8:60) “Muslim’s must muster all weapons to terrorize the Infidels” Quran(8:65) “The unbelievers are stupid, urge the Muslim’s to fight them” Quran(9:5) “When the opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them”. Quran (9:30) “The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them” Quran (9:123) “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhoods” Quran (22:19) “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked unto rods, boiling water, melt their skins and bellies”. Quran (47:4) “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.”
David says
No hearing?
WESTPAC Spy says
Let me try to put this in Canadian for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=V1QNIhPB7Ck
We’re in it. It would be nice if you joined us. I’ms not ungrateful I’ll take you out for Brazilian BBQ. Or Waffle House, your choice Canada.
WESTPAC Spy says
Sinkex 2016. Good training, eh? Here is the deal my friends. And you are my friends. It’s not that easy to destroy a ship.
http://pixdaus.com/files/items/pics/7/91/251791_46086539c46f2f53d643670afb03e347_large.jpg
Hope you’re still on our side.
Ian mcgo says
So returning jihadist terrorists get sensitivity training and poetry while these cadets get the boot. Hardly seems fair.