In reality, the Turks burned the Christian quarters of Smyrna as part of their efforts to eradicate the Christian presence in Asia Minor. Ernst Otto Jacob, the General Secretary to the Smyrna Y.M.C.A said in late 1922:
The Turkish policy of the elimination of the Christian minorities in Asia Minor has been determinedly carried into effect. The Christian quarters of Smyrna have been practically wiped out.
Winston Churchill wrote:
Mustapha Kemal’s Army … celebrated their triumph by the burning of Smyrna to ashes and by a vast massacre of its Christian population.
Now Erdogan, with the characteristic Islamic supremacist evasion of responsibility, blames the Greek Army for this atrocity.
“Erdogan claims Greek soldiers burnt Izmir in 1922,” Ekatherimi, April 29, 2018 (thanks to Peter):
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan claimed Greek soldiers burned down the coastal city of Izmir as they were retreating in 1922, at the end of the Greek-Turkish War, as he kicked off his general and presidential election campaign rally in the city on Saturday.
“The biggest blow suffered by this beautiful city was by the Greek soldiers who burned Izmir as they retreated,” he reportedly told a crowd during a speech at Izmir’s Chamber of Commerce, according to broadcaster SKAI.
Erdogan claimed Turkish soldiers “did not want to destroy or burn – they always wanted to build and create,” which is evident by the rapid development of the city after the war….
Diane Harvey says
Can’t stand the constant lying by Muslims.
mortimer says
https://www.genocidescholars.org/
“Be it resolved that it is the conviction of the International Association of Genocide Scholars that the Ottoman campaign against Christian minorities of the [Ottoman] Empire between 1914 and 1923 constituted a genocide against Armenians, Assyrians, and Pontian and Anatolian Greeks.”
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
An Arabic/Mohammadan proverb to describe the tactic:
“Tamaskan tatamakan” (“Show a victim’s face [and] take over” or “Show a victim’s face [and] you will win”).
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslims are using this against the West all the time now–all too many in the West know little or nothing about history, but are always quick to blame themselves for all the world’s ills.
dumbledoresarmy says
It is disgusting.
It sickens.
It isn’t just *simple* lies. It’s malevolent lies that involve reversal of reality, turnspeak, scapegoating, projection, and victim-blaming.
The Muslims burned Smyrna – now a Muslim claims that the Greeks – the *victims* did it.
Similarly, Muslims gleefully celebrated the destruction of the Twin Towers – by Muslims – yet also will claim that it was a ‘false flag’ op and that the *real* victims were the poor, poor, poor mohammedans… because 9/11 made everyone hate them, oh, wah, wah, wah.
M Scott Peck, in his study of the psychology of evil, “People of the Lie” (a book written without any reference to or experience of Muslims, whatsoever) is nevertheless very, very illuminating. He argues that perhaps *the* symptom of evil is… lying. Lying to oneself, lying to others. The inveterately, obstinately evil are liars through-and-through.
Another insight from the same book is that the evil perceive themselves to be perfect and therefore have to attempt to destroy any things, or persons, that contradict this self-perception. (Like the witch-queen in ‘Snow White’, who sets out to murder Snow White, because if Snow White is dead, then she, the witch-queen, *will* be ‘the fairest of them all’). Everything that does not jibe with *their* view of reality must be destroyed, so that they can hang onto their delusion that they are ‘the best of people’.
Islam is, I think, one of the most purely and consistently *evil* belief systems that wretched humanity has ever invented with which to wreak ruin upon itself. In fact, as a Christian, I think the demonic or diabolical strain is more pronounced in Islam than in almost anything else one might care to name – only the Thuggee cult and the Aztec human sacrifice system, or perhaps Pol Pot or the ghastly regime now prevalent in North Korea, are comparable, and none of them have endured for so long as Islam nor prevailed over such a wide area.
A further note – besides Peck’s book, I think probably another book worth looking at is Harry Frankfurt’s “On Bullsh*t”, because it isn’t just that Muslims lie, they engage in a type of discourse that is totally nonrational/ antirational, that has absolutely no relationship with reality at all. Martha Gellhorn encountered it among the so-called ‘palestinian’ ‘refugees’, in 1960, and found it mind-bendingly wearisome. She coined the term “mad-hattery’ to describe it.
Language, in Islam, ultimately is undone altogether: it dissolves into the lie; the sophism; empty, oily flattery intended to seduce before the murderous blow; the threat; the incoherent scream of rage; and the foul invective of the gutter. Orc-talk. It is not, I think, coincidence that, apparently, in the Arabic, there are passages in the Quran that verge on sheer gibberish.
Mari For says
Excellent.
gravenimage says
*Fine post*, Dumbledore’s Army.
Brian hoff says
Muslim have nothing to do with 9 11 our own CIA was behind it. It was than false flag operation with than control explosion to bring the world trade center wich never generated than enought money to cover the expense of runing it.. No muslim in america celebrate 9 11 you are than supid person who know nothing. The building came down at the speed of 32 feet per second accelerate motion.
Brian hoff says
The steel beam which hold up the building where weaken and explosives charge where place around the beam and complex timer was use to control the timeimg of explosion of each floor after each floor. It take week or months to do.
gravenimage says
The repulsive “Brian hoff”–really, “DefenderofIslam”–wrote:
Muslim have nothing to do with 9 11 our own CIA was behind it. It was than false flag operation…
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What vicious calumny. Is “Brian hoff” claiming that all 33,000+ Jihad terror attacks all over the world have been pulled off by the CIA in order to make Muslims look bad? Just absurd.
This makes even less sense given that “Brian hoff” himself has said that Muslims have the right to wage violent Jihad.
More:
…with than control explosion to bring the world trade center wich never generated than enought money to cover the expense of runing it..
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Wait–so the CIA brought down the WTC as some sort of massive insurance fraud? This is bizarre even by “Truther” standards…
More:
No muslim in america celebrate 9 11 you are than supid person who know nothing…
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This is, of course, not true. Several news sources, including ABC News, reported Muslims celebrating in New Jersey.
And there were *huge* celebrations by Muslims in places like the “Palestinian territories”. Why would they ahve celebrated if this was done by the CIA to smear Muslims? Ridiculous.
epistemology says
Mohaamedans are always the victims by defintion and if you don’t accept that then you’re a baddy an Islamophobe. As Melanie Philips put the world turned upside down.
AS muzzies are inferior in all science, technology and lots of other things they always play the victim card. Unfortunately many people are taken in the Western world.
Merkexit says
The Grand Mufti (sic) was in Smyrna ‘working” with Turk army and German officers.
The ‘Palestinians’ were part of the Armeian Genocide and the fire and mass murder.
History must not be buried by lies from Ergo-dog. The PLO has evil roots.
somehistory says
Symrna is in the Bible. Jesus sent a message to the congregation of Christians, ” the church,” there in the Book of Revelation.
And as for as what this would-be world dictator says, psychopaths always try to place blame for whatever wrong has been done on another. If he ran over a toddler on a playground, he would blame the child for being there.
He is nothing and his opinions are nothing.
Karlee says
Erdogan, like Hitler, is a psychopath and his people don’t recognize the signs as the Germans didn’t when they elected Hitler.
Once again, Western Europe is heading toward a third World War, we all see it. As usual, they don’t see the signs.
It will also be the downfall of the European Union.
Mari For says
His real name is ERDOG-A$$
R Russell says
somehistory
Pergamon is also in Turkey and in the Bible. It is referred to as the seat of satan.
(It was taken piece by piece and reassembled in Berlin. The Ishtar Gate is also in Berlin. Why people would want to have these in their country and to visit such demonically inspired artifacts I do not know.)
Suebe Hatz says
Amazing how Germany does have thew seat of Satan there now, and Turkey wanted it back, but Germany refuses. Did I hear correct that Turkey now wants to build another or has already done so.
somehistory says
Yes, there were seven listed, each with its problems, strengths and weaknesses. All but two of them needed some serious work in order to be pleasing to Christ and His Father.
Smyrna, was one of those two, and was commended for their “rich” faith even though they lived in poverty.
We can learn much from what these groups of Christians were told by Christ.
gravenimage says
An interest in history and archaeology does not make one evil. Practicing evil does, though.
Donald MacInnis says
What a pos.
mortimer says
Yes, Donald, but he is a GENOCIDAL ( … ) !!!
Genocide is the evilest of all crimes and Erdogan just ENDORSED GENOCIDE.
Let the EUROPEAN UNION BEWARE THAT TURKEY ENDORSES GENOCIDE!!!
Lydia Church says
The Christian martyrs continue to enter heaven by the hundreds…
CogitoErgoSum says
The truth is probably to be found somewhere in between. The lie that Erdogan tells is that the Turks wanted to build and create by seizing Smyrna. No, they wanted to steal what was of value to them and to destroy the rest (so much like their pirate prophet). The fires were probably started by those on both sides. I know I would burn my home to the ground before I would let Erdogan and his ilk take it from me and use it for their advantage.
gravenimage says
CogitoErgoSum wrote:
The truth is probably to be found somewhere in between… The fires were probably started by those on both sides.
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I’m sorry, CogitoErgoSum–this simply isn’t true. This history is, as I have noted, amply documented. Smyrna was majority-Christian, and its terrible destruction was the final horrific atrocity of the Armenian Genocide, which targeted not just Armenians, but also Greek, Assyrian, and Levantine Christians as well.
CogitoErgoSum says
Perhaps so, but I have no problem with denying an invading enemy of resources that may be of use to him. My respect for the Christians would not be diminished if they had done just that.
gravenimage says
Uh–burning down a majority-Christian city and slaughtering most of the Christians there would be a good thing–how, exactly?
Carolyne says
Aristotle Onassis was born in Izmir (Smyna) and his father was jailed by the Turks. Aristotle Onassis spent much of his father’s fortune to get him released, whereupon dear old dad got mad because his son spent so much to get him released. They barely escaped while watching Izmir burn (By the Turks) and landed in Greece. Aristotle went to Argentina, made his fortune, and the rest is history.
I have been to Izmir, just coincidentally while traveling to Ephesus. It is a lovely city with a wonderful hotel and food, if you like that cuisine.
Sam says
I am originally from Turkey. I can not stomach the lies, lies, lies about everything regarding Islam, Turkish history, Armenian and Christian genocide, Jews, Europe etc It is truly immoral culture based on Islam and constantly distorts the truth and punishes the truth tellers like news reporters..
This Erdogan is the best representative of that culture, The secular Turks who oppose him are no help to freedom as they are mostly COMMUNISTS. So there is not much hope for Turkey but pain and misery for everybody for years to come.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Sam.
Richard says
If you are interested, there are quite a few contemporary eyewitness newspaper accounts of the Armenian Massacre available online. They are far worse than anything I could have imagined – and my grandmother had an Armenian beaux who, as a child, had been bayonetted in the back and left to die by the Turks.
Eur says
CAIR will be in charge of pressing to censor that literature. Do not hesitate, CAIR and all the Islamic lobbies are here to make Islamic mythology and theology be considered history … and history to be censored and eliminated. In the same way that in medieval Europe, those scientists considered as heretics were burned at the stake … Muslims claim that today they continue to do the same with those who expose the truth that contradicts Islam and Islamic barbarities. Not a pass back.
gravenimage says
Yes–and these are the horrors that Robert Spencer’s family fled.
elee says
Hey Turks, say it ain’t so. Snap election coming, Erdogan overwhelmingly favored.
gravenimage says
Turkey’s Erdogan blames Greek army for the Turkish burning of Smyrna in 1922
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Just *sickening* calumny. The destruction of Smyrna *by the Turks* is amply documented. One excellent book is “Paradise Lost: Smyrna, 1922” by Giles Milton:
https://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Lost-Smyrna-Giles-Milton/dp/0465011195
More:
Erdogan claimed Turkish soldiers “did not want to destroy or burn – they always wanted to build and create,” which is evident by the rapid development of the city after the war….
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Uh…right. This was *after* they had destroyed Turkey’s most cosmopolitan city and murdered almost all of the Christians there.
The few who escaped, incidentally, via Western ships in the harbor were taken to Greece, who took them in.
R Russell says
Islam is renowned for revisionist history. Look what they have managed to get people to believe about Israel. Now when the public read the genuine history of Israel/Palestine, they reject it in favour of the revisionist stuff they have been taught.
gravenimage says
Very true.
Eur says
I prefer not to touch the theme of Israel / Palestine. I do not know what happens in schools in Israel but in the entire Islamic world there is no difference between the concept of history and Islamic theology. It is inconceivable in an Islamic society not to teach children Islamic mythology as part of history. It would be absurd to teach children in the West that biblical passages are part of history … Muslims have no qualms about teaching that everything that is collected in the Qur’an and Hadith are historical facts. They teach it in schools, how a child will doubt?
They also teach the benefits of Islamic conquests by sweetening the facts and creating a victimizing sentiment.
The education of children in Islamic societies is guilty of the creation of such monsters.
FYI says
And what,pray tell,does Erdogan and his ilk from the religion of murder and mayhem,islam,have to say about the Ottoman Turkish savagery of the
ARMENIAN GENOCIDE 1914-1923?
Only islam and its mass-murdering “prophet” muhammed could have inspired such demonic,typically islamic,wickedness..
The hypocrisy of Erdogan:the Turks have the blood of millions of the innocent on their murderous,islamic hands.
gravenimage says
Actually, the Armenian Genocide began at least as early as 1895, and proceeded in murderous waves until 1922.
Gamaliel says
The horrific story of the burning of Smyrna is online at
http://www.thoughts-everything.com/shelp/getinvolved.htm#smyrna
Carolyne says
He wasn’t hoping to “shame” Erdogan, he was indicating his submission to Islam.
Older Canadian says
I don’t care who did what 100 years ago or 2,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago. I had zero to do with it, and I cannot be held responsible for, or be made to feel guilty for who did what long before my time. I only care who does what today.
I deplore those who tolerate and/or justify barbaric terror. They are the worse of the worse and need to be removed one way or another. This crap would not happen if it wasn’t tolerated by the worlds great and most powerful leaders. As a species who is suppose to be the most intelligent living on this planet, we sure are quite primative.
gravenimage says
This would be true if Turkey repudiated the Armenian Genocide and vowed never to doi anything like it again–but they never have.