The draft law speaks only about criticizing “religion,” but everyone knows which religion is meant. No one is going to go to prison for criticizing Christianity or Judaism. This is more of Britain’s gallop toward Sharia and ruin.
“UK Proposes Six Year Prison Sentences for Online Posts Against Religion, Transgender,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, May 10, 2018:
People promoting “hostility” towards a religion or the transgendered online could get much harsher sentences, of up to six years in jail, especial if they have a large online audience according to new proposals.
The Sentencing Council for England and Wales has drafted changes to public order offences, including anyone perceived as targeting online a “protected characteristics” including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment.”
The most severe punishments will be handed to those “in a position of trust, authority or influence and abuses their position to stir up hatred,” such as political leaders or figureheads and anyone whose offences are “persistent.”
If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.
The Sentencing Council believes that the use of social media, YouTube, and other “websites” to stir hatred is a growing problem – despite the number of prosecutions remain relatively low.
“Volumes of these offences are extremely low and there have been no offenders sentenced for some offences,” the Sentencing Council said.
“However, given the recent social climate and an enhanced focus on this type of offending, the council considers it would be useful for sentencers to be equipped with guidance on sentencing these offences,” they continue.
Adding: “Among the cases analysed there were a number of ‘hate speech’ type offences, where inflammatory speeches were given by influential figures with the intention of stirring up racial hatred.
“Other cases involved publication on YouTube of content inciting serious violence towards particular racial or religious groups, websites being published including abusive and insulting content, with some activity continuing over a long period of time and intended to reach global audiences.”…
Niemoller says
The EU baizuo have declared war on Europe’s indigenous peoples. It’s time to resist.
mortimer says
The UK recently abolished its common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel by the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.
THERE IS NO NEED TO REINSTATE A LAW TO PROTECT BLASPHEMY.
MODERN COUNTRIES DO NOT NEED BLASPHEMY LAWS.
– The Supreme Court of India on Monday 3 March 2014, dismissed a public interest litigation (PIL) by Advocate M L Sharma seeking intervention by the court in directing the Election Commission to curb hate speeches. Dismissing the plea, the Apex court said that it could not curb the fundamental right of the people to express themselves.
“We cannot curtail fundamental rights of people. It is a precious right guaranteed by Constitution,” a bench headed by Justice RM Lodha said, adding “we are a mature democracy and it is for the public to decide. We are 1280 million people and there would be 1280 million views. One is free not to accept the view of others”. Also the court said that it is a matter of perception, and a statement objectionable to a person might be normal to another person.
– Wikipedia
– The Irish Law Reform Commission’s 1991 Report opined that “there is no place for the offence of blasphemous libel in a society which respects freedom of speech.”
It refused to allow the prosecution, stating “in the absence of any legislative definition of the constitutional offence of blasphemy, it is impossible to say of what the offence of blasphemy consists … In the absence of legislation and in the present uncertain state of the law the Court could not see its way to authorising the institution of a criminal prosecution”.
mortimer says
correction THERE IS NO NEED TO REINSTATE A LAW TO ‘PUNISH’ BLASPHEMY
Shaun says
And does this Blasphemy law apply to the “religion of Hate” or is it just for the rest of us while they do what they like and take power?
Georg says
Not that this isn’t recognized by everyone here, but………. The Koran is in violation of EVERYTHING this proposed legislation forbids and yet it would never be subjected to it.
James Whitney says
Exactly correct!
Giacomo Latta says
Starting with so-called hate speech.
utis says
I agree with Niemoller. Resistance does not have to be violent. There can be disobedience at many levels, visible or invisible, as long as it is annoying, impedes the enemy, and most of all, is a refusal to submit.
I never read Gandhi, but I bet his work is full of handy advice. If Europe’s leaders work against their primary base, Europeans should lead themselves.
For starters, if they don’t have ideological objections to pork, they could start putting at least symbolic amounts of bacon bits in their meals. Until the New Totalitarians put them in jail for that.
Bobby says
utis..Thats all very noble and civilized.But talking to liars and murderers wont work So now is the time for action.The chattering classes got us us into this and it’s daft to think they can get us out of it.If you’re frightened then emigrate .Pacifism looks like the logic of the weak.We all know where this is all leading so lets lance the boil sooner rather than later.
Felix Quigley says
This is a revolutionary issue.
John Ceglarski says
They need to hang the entire Sentecing Commission for starters. Fkn Traitors to UK and humanity in general.
gravenimage says
If enough patriots resist it *will* make a difference.
Jennifer says
Gandhi was a hypocrite and a fool – during the War he told us to let the Germans invade Britain and take over, because they couldn’t rule our souls!
Cicero says
He said the same thing to the Hindus and Sikhs who had fled to India from Pakistan during the PRtition.
He also strongly supported the Caliphate struggles even though success of such a movement would be the death knell of non Muslims
gravenimage says
+1
Rob Crawford says
Gandhi could only succeed against civilized people.
Britain is ruled by Muslims and the little brothers of fascism, the “progressives”. Any resistance will be labeled “hatred” and at some point there will be an “unfortunate incident” where “understandably frustrated” Muslims beat the living crap out of the resistance. If they’re lucky.
gravenimage says
True, Rob.
Bob Kresse says
Read 1984
Wayne says
Mr. Gandhi advised European Jews to listen to the orders of the 3rd Reich and not protest their treatment. Nice guy, wasn’t he?
Linda says
He sounds like a real dhimmi kook.
gravenimage says
Also grimly true.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
Apart from the alarm I think most of us feel concerning the muzzling effect of this proposal, there is another equally alarming possibility, it seems to me. Prohibition didn’t work in the USA because the majority was against it. It had to be repealed after bootlegging became rife.
The situation here threatens to become similar. If peaceful expression of opinion becomes unlawful, people are likely to seek unlawful (probably violent) means to express their sentiments.
BC says
Of course the well known fact that Islamic clerics regularly and viciously abuse every religion other than Islam, in their sermons every week, will go unpunished. There is one law for Islam and another law for everybody else. In other words another step towards what Muslims want the complete exclusion of their faith from any kind of criticism or even comment
J D S says
I’m afraid that civil war will be the only way the people can get their country back and that is such a dreadful thought.
Replacing those elected officials who are bent on giving away the people’s FREEDOMS would be another option but hasn’t there been enough time already for this to happen or maybe there just aren’t any politically motivated people there that want yo fight the system and try and save their country from being taken over. Or yet maybe the people just don’t care anymore and have given up..I’m not there to see actually how the people feel…but from all the research I come up with….things look mighty dark, really got the whole of Europe…
Vacationing or visiting in Europe??? May God protect you ..they can’t even protect themselves…No Go Zones…unbelievable!
TKpetergunn says
ENGLAND imposed Gun Control for this very reason; it is very difficult to wage a cicivil war without adequate weapons. It is also why tthey are trying like mad to ban gun in the US
Linda says
I have heard it said that quality people with intelligence and integrity aren’t drawn to politics because of the nature of the skullduggery. Maybe the imbeciles have a stronghold on political positions.
quigly says
There are political parties in the UK trying to fight this – but THEY will also be subject to these draconian and dangerously treasonous laws. I don’t see any solution other than an armed one. God willing, the UK Military will step up and do the job they are sworn to do: protect the British People.
Ren says
UK used to be a great nation that conquered the world. What happened to UK? Why does it bow to islam?
David Veenbaas says
You’re right!
mortimer says
THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING.
Brother Charles says
SORRY YOU CANNOT SAY THAT ?
J D S says
Yep..big brother Is watching and listening. So Sad.
Gart says
This is as much to do with prohibiting free expression, free speech, rather than preventing analysis of Islamism. It’s the death of liberty, if ratified, for sure.
David M says
The British people should storm Parliament en masse if this blasphemy law goes ahead, Britain would be finished.
Jayell says
What?? The British people attack all those ‘honourable gentlemen’ (and ladies)?? That’s the sort of nonsense those muslim chappies get up to! (I say, bad show, put my foot in it there! Time for the midnight knock on the door!).
Seriously, they started this business years ago by misapplying existing laws (e.g., trying to put Nick Griffin away for 7 years on grounds of racial intolerance because he said that islam is an ‘evil and vicious faith’; and someone else was similarly done for publicly quoting Churchill on islam). There’s already a petition against this law, but if it does get through you’ll find that the the CPS will mysteriously ignore cases where Christianity is insulted or the courts will just give offenders a slap on the wrist – but one word against islam and it will be a charge of treason – after the BBC kangaroo court with helicopters, of course. I wonder if anyone has yet suggested UK political union with Turkey after Brexit, with Erdogan as PM? That’s if Khan hadn’t already slimed his way through the door at No. 10.
PMP says
Too late…too little too late. Britain is lost, utterly. Any country that condones, supports, defends and finances a fascist ideology whose “religious” tenets command their followers to literally kill every single human being on the planet that is not a muslim or whom refuses to convert to their dictates gets exactly what they deserve. Death and destruction. Every single one of these elitist, globalist cowards that the majority of Brits has made to rule over them should be forced to read the koran. For that matter all Brits should read it, yes teach kids in school about islam by having them study the koran. If that doesn’t wake them up to this scabrous, pus ridden cancerous disease and it’s dangers, then nothing will.
krishna says
white guilt
Cicero says
Yes Krishna. The former imperialist countries ( western world ) through their historical depredations now feel such guilt about what they did that they are conflating their sense of guilt with the misguided act of making reparations to the fifty seven Islamic countries.
There is no sense of critical reflection on their part as to how the have got to this point
Darko says
Do the Italians still feel guilty about invading England? I don’t think so
pragmatist says
I’m afraid that is specious nonsense. Western countries were not the only, nor even the first, colonisers. It is only a small percentage of ignorant and misguided ‘lefties’ who try to saddle their countrymen with this ‘guilt’ rubbish. Millions of us feel no guilt at all, nor indeed should we, for the Imperialist mindset of the past. In general I would say we Brits are proud of our country’s past, particularly as Britain’s Colonial policies, while obviously not inspired by altruism, were, in the final analysis, beneficial to the countries involved.
Linda says
Not to mention Saudi money.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
This is all about middle eastern oil money that was invested in the UK years ago. The monied lords and ladies have sold you out.
Remember a few years back the story about members of parliament being relocated to a new building and they possibly couldn’t drink there because of shariah financing. (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/alcohol-banned-in-uk-government-building-under-sharia-because-of-secret-deal-to-finance-islamic-bond-scheme)
That seemed to be the proverbial canary in the coal mine.
So now this is the next step. What’s next? And who knows how long until someone will stop you on street some Friday afternoon and tell you that you should be in the mosque instead of walking around. (That’s if you’re a man because by then if you’re a woman you won’t dare show your face in public.)
Little by little the OIC is getting their way.
JawsV says
I don’t feel guilty. White Christians have contributed enormously to the world. Muslims have brought only Jihad and darkness. Which they’re still bringing.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, Jaws.
Coastliner says
Good question – but why single out Britain? It’s happening everywhere across the western world – including the USA
Linda says
Politicians are being paid with money and/or votes.
gravenimage says
There is no law like this in the US. Not yet, certainly.
Bobby says
Ren..We could’ve said the same thing when the US had obama.It wasn’t true for America then and it’s not true for the UK now.Parliament are not 60,000,000 people.They’re a minority with clout.As for 6 years for calling out islsm ?Who cares?We’ll still win in the end.The Donald should call our parliament out on it.Our government are dhimmis and will get in line after a few blows..And Mortimer any time you want to talk about the garbage that is islam I’ll always speak up.I’ve been arrested for “hate speech”before and by the look of it ,maybe in the future as well.Socialism and islam are both shit.
roger woodhouse says
The British only know how to ‘appease’.They see that as a policy now.Their reaction to any uncomfortable issue is not how to do the right thing as that would need positive action but to immediately seek to appease.Our politicians are gutless but their very existance in parliament depends on never taking a stand on issues that may risk their paliamentary seat..Thus this cowardly attempt to silence the public from saying what needs to be said.
J Smith says
Following World War II the Brits decided to become socialists. They bought into the welfare state and lost their way. Depending on government they have forgotten their history of rugged individualism. William Wallace wouldn’t put up with Muslim invaders, but today’s average British male is no more intrepid than a French mime.
BC says
The politicians are the ones grovelling before Islam as they know their votes have to be courted.
Anne Smith says
Because we have stupid political leaders, particularly May, see this video, and they have passed draconian laws already to stamp out any resistance to their point of view.
The courts are full of lefties and libtard judges who seem to prefer “feelings” over facts and Parliament has even passed laws which do not require anyone to be presumed innocent until proved guilty, but they have to actually prove their innocence. (The Hunting Act )
The stupid hate speech laws rely on hurt feelings or a policeman’s belief that hate is evident to prove a crime is committed, not any actual facts. Facts are being removed from definition of modern crimes.
Britain is certainly on a downward spiral and the low standard of state education is proving very helpful to the Government in bringing this about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh02bPCTge8
Lu says
I can’t believe what she is saying … total disgrace to her country and people. No – that’s no stupidity of hers – she does know what her words mean and what she is doing.
Submission accomplished, Mrs. May. Dhimmitude fully achieved.
David says
What a disgrace. She sounds like the muslim occupier of our white house before we were able to get a real man and patriot running our country, awesomely too!
Looks like you guys are gonna have to revolt. It worked for us, ironically, against the occupation by your government.
R Russell says
Ren
The reason is because they have given up the faith of their forefathers. Having locked the Bible Jesus out of their lives they do not understand that all associated with Christianity also goes. That includes the legal system based on Judeo-Christian values.
The country is rudderless and continually tinkering with parts of the legal system based on the Judeo-Christian values, moving further into anarchy. An anarchy which will be replaced with sharia.
Thus they are ripe for the picking. They do not see creeping sharia within the sentences dished out by judges. They see the Muslims as victims when we know Christianity is the most persecuted faith worldwide.
Having cast the faith of their forefathers aside, vilified it, scoffed at it and dismissed it as irrelevant they have got what they wanted – no Jesus in their lives either as individuals or as a whole.
But life doesn’t have vacuums and in the place of Christianity we have Islam. A religion of deceit and persecution.
Only one thing will turn the country around. That is for a country-wide Christian Revival.
God grant it before it is too late and the UK brings judgement on it’s own head because of the choices they have made.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Maybe. And maybe it’s the other way around. Maybe Christianity made them soft and easy to be walked on. Edward Gibbon certainly believed that this is what brought about the fall of the long-lived Roman Empire.
There is a strong case for arguing that the Christians who first encountered the Saracen raids were made inept by their Christian faith. They thought the raids were God’s punishment. They didn’t fight back for the most part – there was no point, it was God’s punishment and believed it was the end of the world.
I prefer to go with the dictum of, “God helps those who help themselves.”
gravenimage says
Actually, Christians defended against Islam for centuries. There is nothing intrinsic in Christianity that teaches rolling over for savagery.
Martin says
Basically anyone asking question about why I am being stopped from buying or eating a bacon sandwich and not being able to eat a pork pie in the office. Will be classed as islamaphobic and you will be arrested. .
I cannot wait until a non-muslim is dragged before a Judge in a Sharia court room and told his word is not allowed as muslims don’t lie.
I just did my son’s homework for school on Muhammads life, hadiths and the night of power. I was shocked and how much bollocks was on the web about these question’s for my son’s homework. In end I just wrote down muhammand suffered from mental health problems and seeked solace by hiding in a cave due to having big city syndrome. The hadiths were just supporting evidence made up by others to support the rambling of a person with mental health problems. The Night of power was a just away to improve your pray time at the mosque without having to attend again for the next thousand days.
Over the coming days I shall await the police’s arrival when my son’s teacher shows his homework at school.
Kind Regards
To all
P. k. says
That’s right, then UK joined EU. That’s what happened. Now the people of UK are ruled by the government of another country! The sooner out of it and back under British sovereignty the better!!
Cicero says
My heart breaks for a breaking Britain
Daniel Triplett says
Once an extraordinary colonial superpower, from which the entire World has benefited, the UK is now collapsing into a white-dwarf star.
Time for the native British men and women to summon the pride, strength, and resolve that made Great Britain such a global power in the first place. Time to start pushing back hard.
Wellington says
Seconded.
mortimer says
It’s the bishops’ job to fight for their church.
Wellington says
Not sure what you mean, mortimer. Isn’t it everyone’s job in the UK who cherishes liberty to fight for it? Even if May as “bishop” did so (and she won’t, pathetically compromised as she is many times over), but no one else did, this surely would not be enough.
PRCS says
As we might declare during an inflight emergency:
Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!
What she’s doing to the U.K. is an emergency.
Bob says
Like bringing back the Spanish Inquisition, in reverse?
Bob says
https://youtu.be/7WJXHY2OXGE
Boneshack says
For Pete’s sake, please remind these fascist wannabes that Orwell’s “1984” was a warning, not an instruction manual!
I dearly the UK, and I truly hope the people stop this madness.
Boneshack says
Edit:. I dearly love the UK…
Lydia Church says
You hit my funny nerve!
Exactly! It’s a foreboding book of warning, not an instruction manual!
That nails it!!!
: D
mortimer says
Well said, Mr. B-Shack
Older Canadian says
Succinctly said. Brilliant.
gravenimage says
+1
Wellington says
This Orwellian rot, it should be noted, must be noted, occurred on the watch of the last four or five Prime Ministers of the UK, i.e., Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and May.
And here is what else should be taken into account: The current monarch, who when she came to the throne in 1952, presided over a free nation but she no longer does. She too cannot escape responsibility here and I need no damn lecture on the role of the monarchy in modern Britain, so don’t even go there.
Whatever the role, per Baghehot et al., of the monarch in modern Britain, it should not include saying nothing as your realm goes from a free nation to an unfree nation. For God’s sake, by now the monarch should have risked all to save her nation, to save freedom. The fact that she hasn’t stands as an indictment on her for all time.
Boneshack says
Well stated! I think everything will get much worse when Prince Chuckie gets the crown.
Carolyne says
So long as the Queen has her castles, money and obeisance, she doesn’t care for the people who are being downtrodden by Muslims. In fact, it is suspected that Charles, the next monarch, is himself a Muslim. He certainly does pal around with the Sultan of Brunei, who brings his many wives to England from time to time.
Don’t count on the Saxe-Coburg and Gothas to help you out.
Daniel Triplett says
Great points about the monarch and the long list of dhimmi UK PMs. They need to dig up Churchill and put him back to work.
And what’s the point of a monarchy if all the monarch does is enjoy lavish opulence in passive silence, while allowing the kingdom to collapse (many Western monarchies in this category in addition to UK)? Or even worse, bespeaking the wrong message publicly, as Charles does and will likely do as monarch.
If King William were to simply get on national TV and speak the unvarnished truth about Islam and our future, he could change the trajectory of the UK and significantly shape World history.
gravenimage says
+1
Lydia Church says
It’s definitely underway!
Remember that persecution phases thing I keep posting?
Well…. we’re well beyond ‘stage one’!
Next thing they will start hunting you down with the same penalty,
instead of ‘finding you’ online.
I can totally see this scenario; everyone gets some survey in the mail.
Those who don’t answer ‘favorably,’ get called in for an interview.
Those who still don’t answer in the politically ‘correct’ way are
detained. Indefinitely. You can figure out the rest of it.
Or some other ‘selection’ process is chosen.
Somehow they will eventually get to our door step.
I’m not trying to be a ‘bearer of bad news,’ I just know
how the book ends.
Lu says
I still – perhaps naively – think that the US is far from the “at-your-door” point you describe – but on the same trajectory for sure.
The worst thing is that I can’t imagine a peaceful, political and largely non-violent solution to all these trends, growing tensions and eruption triggers. I see just one and only one outcome – war in one form or the other (street/urban guerilla is a war).
In many ways this is worse than the years preceding WWII …
gravenimage says
Yes–things are not that bad here–not yet.
Lydia Church says
And someone over there should monitor what posts appear that attack Christianity, and what happens as a result!
HugoHackenbush says
Are you suggesting that there will be a DOUBLE STANDARD!? Perish the thought!
Jack HOLAN says
We Jews. Have first hand experience of being vilified, segregated discriminated against boycotted and then removed from the General Population. However to pass a #FAKELAW to give Special Status to One Religion to be over all others. Since we know Imams have made direct threats to both Jews and Christians as 2-groups are those Imams going to be arested and serve 6-Years in Prison? Of course not in Theresa May’s World or Jeremy Corbyns Fantasy Land. Only Jews and Christians will be arrested to serve a sentence for Freedom of Speech. At some point Brits will find it necessary to return their Country to the Principles of. The Magna Carta not the Quran and Sharia. This day will appear sooner than most think. The PM and Parliament do not have the authority to change the Basic Law that’s treason. @GeertWilder
Older Canadian says
Well someone should tell trudeau that as his M-103 is in the final stages to get passed into law. What the UK is doing is only a carbon copy of M-103, perhaps that is where they got their inspiration from.
Mel Kozun says
M-103 was a motion to do a study. The study has been done.
To create law would require the passing of a Bill. To my knowledge, no Bill is currently being proposed or tabled.
Most legal opinions I’ve heard intimate any fake-phobia law wouldn’t pass a constitutional challenge.
gravenimage says
I hope you are right, Mel.
MoInTheKnow says
Absolutely correct about the Magna Carta.
Refer to article 61 which calls for lawful rebellion!
Wellington says
A very specific point: 78 years ago today, May 10th, the greatest Prime Minister in British history became PM and took on pure evil as represented by Nazi Germany—and won.
Wow, what a descent from Churchill (who would be in serious trouble today in his own country were he still alive for saying what he did about Islam, for example that “Islam in a man is like rabies {hydrophobia) in a dog”) to the like of someone like May. Huge descent. Catastrophic descent. Rather fitting too, in the category of “you can’t make this up,” that May was born in 1956, one year after the Great Man ended his second Prime Ministership (1951-1955). Oh yeah, fitting beyond all fiction to make this stuff up.
Keys says
A poignant comparison of prime ministers, and of the political zeitgeist in Britain, Wellington.
JawsV says
Don’t forget 19th century PM Gladstone (Victoria’s reign) who called the Koran an “accursed book.” He continued by saying “as long as this book exists the world will never know peace.”
Churchill called Islam “the religion of blood and war.” (1899)
Bravos to Gladstone and Churchill! Today the UK’s stuck with May sporting a hijab and pandering to the Mohammedans/Islam.
gravenimage says
Fine post.
HugoHackenbush says
I’ll be spending my tourist dollar here in the US thank you.
mummymovie says
Me too.
ben t says
Me three.
mortimer says
According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.
FORGET MAKING A JOKE ABOUT ANYTHING. Everything anyone says will be the subject of a lawsuit merely because it displeases someone.
ARE THEY BANNING CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF 4,200 RELIGIONS ?
HugoHackenbush says
I’m offended! My flying rainbow unicorn chimera can beat-up your flying rainbow unicorn chimera!
mummymovie says
I know, right!?!
6woods says
Of course not, Mortimer. Anyone can say anything at all about any religion but islam. So let me start by saying this: fuck islam. Fuck mohamed. Pardon my French, but I’m so sick of this shit. This crap is coming to my country (Canada) soon enough. M-103 is already a motion, and will probably be passed as a law.
Mel Kozun says
M-103 was a motion to do a study. The study has been done.
To create law would require the passing of a Bill.
Most legal opinions I’ve heard intimate any fake-phobia law wouldn’t pass a constitutional challenge.
Linda says
I hope to God you’re right.
Mel Kozun says
Yes. If the Koran says it is not permitted to criticise Islam, the same must be applied to all, no?
BUT, does simply quoting the Koran constitute criticism???
vladdy says
naw, just islam
somehistory says
In the past year, the government there kept two small children from being taken from the country for medical treatment. One was suffering a rare disorder that an American doctor wanted to try to help.
The second one, just last month, suffered nerve/brain disorder and the Italians wanted to help, by providing medical care while the little boy died.
In both situations, the Brits said no…claiming they did so for the “good”…the “welfare”…”what was best” …for the children. Starving, and depriving of water and needed oxygen was “best.”
They allow little girls to be raped hundreds of times by gangs of foul , evil creatures, and drag their feet and the names of any who complain through the mud, rather than help the “children.”
In recent years, they have been fining and jailing and pressuring citizens for telling the truth about islam. At the same time, they have ignored and protected the evil lies coming from the mouths of moslims. Judges have forbidden the deportation of rapists, murderers, and terrorists , claiming that they might be prosecuted (persecuted) in their home countries.
Now this. And all honest people know that they mean to punish people for telling the truth about islam. moslims will still be able to freely lie and threaten others without fear of punishment by the government.
gravenimage says
Yes–that was extremely disturbing.
Linda says
There used to be a patriotic song about Britain. Some lyrics from it were:
“There’ll always be an England,
And England shall be free,
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.”
Prepare to see Britain fall to the Muslims because these days, the Ummah means for to a lot of “British” people than England does.
Linda says
sorry, “for” should be “more”
Ecosse1314 says
That song is not a British patriotic song. It is very unlikely to be sung in Scotland or Wales and parts of N Ireland
Linda says
On the internet site where I checked the lyrics, it was classified as a British song. I know what you mean, though. The Irish, Scots and Welsh may not want to sing it. However, I don’t think it’ll be sung much anymore in England, either now. People care more about the Ummah these days than any country.
R Russell says
Linda.
There are 4 nations in the UNITED Kingdom.
England, N Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
Scots no more want to be called English than Americans want to be called Mexican.
Linda says
My ancestors are all from the British Isles and I am aware of this.
Ecosse1314 says
I appreciate your reply Linda. You do not seem to grasp the idea that England does not equal the UK and the UK does not equal England.
You say your ancestors are from the British Isles well that imcludes the Republic of Ireland and they like the Scots and Welsh would never be caught singing that song.
Equally I doubt English people would want to sing Flower of Scotland Land of my fathers or the Soldeirs song.
You Texans are all the same..
Lol
Linda says
No, Ecosse1314, I do get your point.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Infighting allowed the Umayyads to conquer Visigothic Spain.
Linda says
I have often thought that infighting in the UK has been problematic at various points in history, too.
Ecosse1314 says
Sorry Flavius but accuracy should not be scorned. If people cannot even get a countrys name right then why should the rest of the persons comments be regarded as accurate.
Finally Linda I don’t believe tge Scots Welsh and Irish asked to be invaded over centuries.
Linda says
Ecosse1314 is more concerned about perceived historical wrongs within the U.K. than in the impending doom brought about by Sharia law in present times.
Yokel says
Linda, you can’t expect a nationalist Scot to forgo a chance to invoke the “Auld Alliance” and take a pop at the English. It’s only the same as Mayor Khan’t of London taking a pop at President Trump: political posturing for the sake of the home crowd and shouldn’t be taken seriously by sensible folk.
Linda says
You’re absolutely right. Being all the way over in Canada, I find it alarming, though, that the Muslims have even opened a mosque in Lewis, of all places. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/landmark-day-lewis-first-mosque-12521830. We need another William Wallace.
Linda says
BTW, I might add that this is one massive reason that I like President Trump: When he was sworn in as President, he put his hand on not one, but two Bibles…Lincoln’s Bible and the Bible his mother gave him. His mother is from Lewis. I have long thought he will be the best President the United States of America has ever had.
gravenimage says
Linda, last year I did a disturbing Islamic version of this song:
There’ll always be an Al-Britani
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
[this is Haram! There will be no alcohol in Islamized England, and no mixing of the sexes! The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice هيئة الأمر بالمعروف و النهي عن المنكر will remove these blasphemous lyrics!]
May this fair dear Dunya we love so well
In dhimmitude and oppression dwell.
Though worlds may change and go awry
While there is still one voice allowed to cry
There’ll always be an Al-Britani
While there’s an ugly Mosque,
Wherever there’s a Madrassa
Beside a stoning ground
There’ll always be an Al-Britaini
While there’s a busy slave market,
Wherever there’s a violent Muslim mob,
A million marching feet.
The Shahada on a field of black; what does it mean to you?
Surely you’re proud, shout it aloud,
“Muslims, awake!”
The Ummah too, we can depend on you.
No Freedom remains. These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There’ll always be an Al-Britani,
And Al-Britani won’t be free
If England means as little to you
As England means to me.
(apologies to “There’ll Always Be an England”)
Linda says
It’s unconscionable that England has come to this.
ChrisLA says
The issue is lumping personal choices into “Protected Characteristics.” It is offensive in all cultures to besmirch race, gender, and even gender reassignment when done to resolve psychological/physiological conflicts because those characteristics are not choices. Religion or belief is a choice. If someone chooses to wear a Mohawk hairdo, he/she should not depend on the government to protect his foolish choice from the likely consequences. PM May seems to have lost track of what characteristics need to be protected because we are born with them and characteristics which are ill-considered or never-examined choices. Islam clearly fits into the latter category.
ScienceABC123 says
Another hate speech law where “hate speech” is defined as that which offends any listener.
What ever happened to – “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will ever hurt me.”
Downunder says
Or…”suck it up”…move on
Older Canadian says
It is no longer politically correct.
Savvy Kafir says
This is really scary. It would have been unthinkable 20 or 30 years ago.
The idea of Thought Police in Britain seemed so outlandish back then. How naive we were!
mummymovie says
We are going backwards…
Or sideways.
Unbelievable!
Lu says
Appeasement – that’s what it essentially is. Let’s make no mistake – appeasement is no stranger to the British politics, at least from what I know about the eve of WWII.
Appeasing Hitler by selling Czechoslovakian Sudetenland was conspired equally by the British and the French.
Development today is a prima facie repeat of the same principle leading to the worst war we have ever had. We may want to call this 21st century appeasement “dhimmitude”, though – probably a fairer term.
Jay says
OFFEND ISLAM. OFFEND THE ENEMY.
Matthieu Baudin says
All these protected classes of people. It’s a very bureaucratic style of censorship. Comment about this and that is FORBIDDEN. Who is pushing us in this direction? – the speech marshals that inhabit our universities and their past students who remain dutifully under their influence.
Georg says
If the Founding Fathers saw this they would projectile vomit. Can’t criticize “beliefs”…
Infidel says
Another classic case of how the parasite uses the host systems for its own survival against host defences in a very insidious manner… This is an example of a classic parasite.
Clive Stephen Delmonte says
Among the world’s leaders, only D J Trump seems to know which way is up and which way is down.
Must we immigrate into the US ?
Prebanian says
So post the Jihadist verses of the Koran online and see if you go to jail for posting hate speech from the Koran.
Sam Morris says
That’s utterly nonsense. Surely there are people in the UK with half a brain who ca see where this is coming from and those who have the balls to stop this ridiculous proposed law.
pragmatist says
Unfortunately it seems that all those in the UK who are in the position of having any influence don’t even have half a brain.
Older Canadian says
Excuse me folks but you are missing the agenda.
This must become law in order to create a totalitarian state.
Hey trudeau is one step ahead with his M-103 now in the hands of the senate. His goal to make Canada the First Post National State is just around the corner.
dan christensen says
The Sentencing Council for England and Wales must have used “Mein Kampf” as its guiding text.
If UK is going to show the way, all Europeans can’t help drawing parallels to Adolf’s Germany in the thirties.
Any action or statement can be translated into criticizing islam – so from now on you must wipe your behind in the toilet with water, as using toilet paper could be interpreted as islamophobic.
krishna says
hope it’s just draft and never will be imposed as law
Lu says
Oh, it will – no doubt about it.
Let’s meet here in a year and you will see – if these pages still exist in 2019 (JW is US-based – so they probably will unless the fascists here take down our President …)
R Russell says
Oh dear they got it wrong again. The content of the article makes it clear that it article refers to England and Wales.
Why is it so hard to know the difference between the UNITED Kingdom and the individual countries within the UNITED Kingdom?
Bobby says
R Russell..You right Russel.But look where politics has brought us.Looks like you’re either an Ulsterman or a Scot.Or at least a supporter of a no vote.Nae use fur aw that noo .Yir a Celt first Russell it says it oan yir birth lines.Ston firm fur aw wir people no just the wans that voted the way ye wanted.Aye back the English.They’e no like us so we’re gauny huvtae show them what real belligerence looks like …wi nae politics or religeon .Ahm sick ae politicians forcin their fucked up agendas oan folk.NEMO ME LACCESSIT IMPUNE..Noos the time tae prove it.Ahm no gettin at ye brother ,just remindin ye.
R Russell says
Bobby,
You are part of the problem. You should try to be part of the solution
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
+1
Infighting allowed the Umayyads to conquer Visigothic Spain.
Louis 14 wanted the Turks to take Vienna. He hated the Austrian throne. He thought that if Vienna fell he would dominate Europe. He was a fool. If Vienna would have fallen then all of Europe would have fallen to the Turks.
At every step, the Mohammadans take advantage of our infighting.
gravenimage says
R Russell, I am not heartened that this “just” applies to England and Wales. Some us are still concerned.
pragmatist says
Could someone please explain to me how it has come about that all, ALL not SOME, of the western European governments (Canada could be included as well) have cravenly completely submitted to Islam, not by different degrees, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME? You would normally expect a number of policy differences among the various nation states but, astonishingly, on the question of Islam there isn’t a cigarette paper’s thickness of variance anywhere. I repeat, could someone please explain this to me?
Linda says
How’s this for an explanation…the globalist elites in Western countries are chomping at the bit to get money for themselves from people like George Soros and the Saudis and the Iranians, to name a few, so they have sold out their own countrymen.
dan christensen says
To satisfy the demands of the globalized financiel elite:
1) Global competition for local jobs requires local presence of foreign job seekers.
2) Local protests against the accumulating riches of the financiel elite requires diversion of protesters.
3) Local political leaders have submitted to demands of international financiel players, Soros, U.N., Red Cross, Bilderberg etc. – in order to develop global careers for the local topdogs.
4) Islamic petroDollars is spreading to policy makers all over the world – for buying islamic influence on local communities and securing survival of islam when oilwells run dry.
C says
It started a long time ago, back in 1973 with the Euro-Arab dialogue, it’s all in the book ‘Eurabia’ by Bat Ye’or, the clue is in the title.
Cicero says
Yes Iread this book Eurasia but Bat Yeor ten years ago.
It was an eye opener – I strongly recommend everyone to read it.
Terra Nova says
Does anybody still have expectations from a country full of so called elite Lords, knights, ladies, earls, kings, princesses, all honourable people? It is getting late…. and we are getting fed up !
I always wanted to still believe in people, but that hope has long gone.
It is like cancer and the first new muslims have already arrived in Greece.
But I am curious too, why didn’t we ever hear from the families of those who got killed or raped, there was even a daughter of an EU official raped, but why did n’t any of those parents spoke out? afraid of being put in jail for 6 years?
How I hate Islam and that will never go away anymore. I have never seen such a liars and violent people!
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
The Quran is the most notorious example of religious hate speech known to mankind. Will the hateful book be put in jail for 6 years or just those who quote the hateful verses on the social media?
kouldb says
Britain is almost a failed state as it barley stands. It’s just a short walk to becoming a Sharia one. The left, the establishment, the political elite & msm have betrayed their own people. They should all stand for treason & be hanged. Every one of them.
Cicero says
Strongly agree,
Jake2701 says
“including “race; sex; disability; age; sexual orientation; religion or belief; pregnancy and maternity; and gender reassignment” – well, they forgot to add “readhead”. I want people who call me “readhead” or “bluey” (in Australia) to be imprisoned..
Peter says
The British had better find a modern Churchill or they are doomed. One would have thought that they learned the hard lesson in the 1930s of the consequences of appeasing totalitarianism.
M says
Time to boycott their Royal Wedding this weekend.
R Russell says
M
Remember Harry’s mother was involved with a Muslim when she had that car crash. Who knows how much the young princes were influenced at that time. Since the queen, and by extension Prince Harry are descendants of Mohammed’s who knows what ideology they will follow. It certainly isn’t Christianity.
dumbledoresarmy says
Descendants of Mohammed?
Do you really believe that nonsense? *What* ‘evidence’ is there? Really?
The Queen descends from Alfred. A few twists and turns along the female line, but you can trace the line all the way back.
and in any case – since when did being someone’s distant descendant *determine* what religious choices one might make or not make?’
Go back far enough along *my* descent lines and you’ll find people performing human sacrifices in the bogs and the dark forests of northwestern Europe – in what are now Germany, Denmark, Britain and Ireland. They stopped that, when they became Christians.
But… does my being descended in long line from people who once carried out human sacrifices, and practised slavery, mean that *I* am predetermined/ programmed to happily embrace such an abomination? Despite having been baptised and reared within the Christian faith?
gravenimage says
Spot on, DDA.
Cicero says
Sharply observed
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Don’t forget that the next in line to the throne, Bonnie Prince Sword-Dancing Charlie, is a Mohammadan enthusiast! If he hasn’t already, I’m sure he’ll help it get over the top and implemented.
You know, sharia is jolly good for the country and all that – pass the biscuits, would you Camilla dear.
OldFatBaldSociallyIneptRon says
If western countries were truly serious about stopping the dissemination of online hate speech they would demand Google ban internet sites from posting Quran verses of divinely sanctioned instruction of war making against non-Muslims and the killing of homosexuals.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I love your nom-de-plume. I just might steal it…
No Muzzies Here says
Not only do the UK authorities force the public to accept the hordes of migrants, but now they propose to jail anyone who complains about it.
The UK has become an oppressive dictatorship. I will never set foot in it again.
Linda says
They won’t be getting my tourist dollars in this lifetime. I know that.
Felix Quigley says
This issue requires full Bolshevik revolution
dan christensen says
The bolsheviks never started any revolution anywhere. A global myth accepted by many people.
The february revolution in Russia was a bourgeois revolution and the following “october revolution” was in reality a bolshevik “coup d’etat” against the february revolution, staged as a revolution.
So this issue maybe requires an french style ‘Identitaire’ anti-Elite revolution, where violence is overridden by a radical shift of attention from global to local identity.
Felix Quigley says
I am afraid you overlook that violence is already being used on many fronts such as the violence against thousands of British girls being raped with the connivance of the British capitalist class.
And of course violence was used against your own Robert Spencer when they banned him from entering UK.
And now this violence from the judges.
So you better explain to Jihadwatch and me what you are talking about here…
“So this issue maybe requires an french style ‘Identitaire’ anti-Elite revolution, where violence is overridden by a radical shift of attention from global to local identity.”
What does that mean?
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wants to replace the tyranny of Islam with the tyranny of Communism.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
No more revolutions please. We just need a well informed electorate.
Felix Quigley says
Then you will inform from jail
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
So say you. I’m sufficiently cunning to keep myself out of jail.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wants to be the one doing the jailing.
pragmatist says
We’ve got a well informed electorate. What we haven’t got are well informed parties for the electorate to vote for.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Then form one.
gravenimage says
I’m afraid there is still a lot of denial in the West.
Shari says
So, with this law, no freedom of assembly or expression. This would make it impossible for any political opposition to organize around any leader, as they will be deemed a dissident and jailed. No one may identify, examine, criticize or resist the persons or ideology that threaten them. Just to see a society begin using language like ‘hate speech’ and ‘hate crimes’ which then paves the way for making it seem reasonable to accept it being codified it into law, highlights how very dangerous it is to adopt politically correct speech. Hate speech and hate crimes now have a legal foundation for abuses against liberty to grow upon.
Doug K says
Not being a person trained in law probably hobbles my comment.
The proposals seem to be a reflex action resulting form the lack of ability of the public to control our own use of vitriol on the internet and in the open air.
That said; I imagine three problems mainly;
1. Emotion’feelings have become more important than reality – so determining how relative emotion/feeling is to actual reality (unless they are seen to be one and the same) can be quite difficult.
2. Anything could be offensive – even a flag, having a government, military, providing healthcare to someone other than me, wearing specific/non-specific clothes, art, building style, agricultural methods, your entire language and cultural expression.
3. Saying what I believe to be true about the nature of God or reading religious scripture out loud, or singing my beliefs or hopes may or may not be offensive to someone and it may or may not hurt their feelings.
This looks rough.
rich says
islam sucks, waiting for knock on the door.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.
This should apply to Islam, a group clearly “promoting hostility based on…religion.” 9:29, 9:5, 3:151, 8:12, 8:60, 5:51 and a hundred other verses commanding Jihad, and including verses about “striking terror” into the hearts of the Infidels, could be adduced.
Here are just two Qur’anic verses that ought to be sufficient to justify islamocriticism: non-Muslims are “the most vile of creatures” (98:6) and Muslims are commanded “not to take Christians and Jews as friends, for they are friends only with each other.” (5:51).
If islamocritics hew closely to the Qur’an and the most authentic hadith, quoting verses and stories and asking, again and again, what are we non-Muslims to make of them, would that be punishable under these new rules?
If I merely note, for example, that the Qur’an contains a verse describing non-Muslims as “the most vile of creatures” and that I would like to ask Muslims to explain that verse so that I can better understand their faith, would it make sense to punish me for simply quoting a verse which no one can deny is there? If I quote the Verse of the Sword (9:5), and again address a question publicly to Muslims, asking them simply to explain this verse, will I be punished? Punished because even mentioning these verses is held to be an attempt to bring Islam into disrepute? Is quoting from the Qur’an, and simply asking what we are to make of such verses, to be considered impermissible — that is, “hate speech”?
dumbledoresarmy says
Thank you, Mr Fitzgerald.
All UK jihadwatchers here present could copy your posting, above, and include it in letters sent to their MPs, and to the members of the House of Peers.. and most especially to Prime Minister May herself.
Let them all be asked Questions, serious questions.
Perhaps your final Question – “Is quoting from the Qur’an, and simply asking what we are to make of such verses, to be considered impermissible — that is, “hate speech”?”- could be picked up on by, for example, Malcolm Lord Pearson, Earl of Rannoch, or by one or two of the MPs who *have* shown some wariness of Islam, and… asked, formally, as a Question, in the House, or Houses, of Parliament.
gravenimage says
+1
KRJ says
I was in NYC on 911 2001 and saw, with my own eyes, the World Trade Centers go down from an upper floor of a building across the river that morning. So to read this today 17 years later is incredibly surreal and outrageous: our so-called “leaders” need to be rounded up and put on trial for treason. The suicidal genocide of Europe, who would have thought? Not only is islam taking over and easily but the invasion is being enabled/aided/abetted/accelerated by democratically elected puppets do you realize what a joke this is? But the joke’s on us and no one will be laughing.
gravenimage says
I know how you feel, KRJ.
Michael Harris says
Can you imagine Jeremy Corbyn sentenced for his Anti-Semitic tirades? Obviously aimed at protecting Muslims. Disgraceful.
Yokel says
To those who worry about this “new law” needing to be “approved” and who promise to take specific actions if it is, RELAX. It is nothing of the sort.
The LAW providing the offences, such as looking the wrong way at a Muslim, or daring to correct a Muslim’s misappropriation of the name of God, is already on the Statute Book. What we are getting heated about is ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDANCE to the Judges and Magistrates who have to sentence those found guilty of the ALREADY existing offences. I agree that the increase in likely sentence for many of these crimes is excessive, and in line with the very PARTIAL prosecutorial system (these days I refuse to use the word “Justice”) they will only be used against the indigenous peoples of the British Isles.
Of course it shouldn’t be, but this is JUST administrative.
Bar stewards!
Yokel says
Yes, I am being deliberately provocative. But the truth is that we British missed the boat a long time ago.
Further up these comments someone has pointed out the great lurch to Socialism with the election of Labour straight after the 39-45 war. But that was a symptom of a disease that had been taking hold of the victim for many a long year beforehand.
I will go back to the Balfour Declaration, and how the British Foreign Office has been steadily trying to rubbish and undermine it ever since Balfour made it. The Foreign Office has been pro-Arab consistently since well before the Declaration. The Fabian Society was founded shortly after, and adopted its logo of a wolf covered by a sheepskin. The Establishment were being prepared for a Left turn, so that when the Frankfurt Society began its Long March through the Institutions from the mid 1920s, fertile ground for cultural marxism had already been prepared. And so the British as a nation turned their back on God by the 1960s, relying instead on Man for their security and well-being.
It seems to me that God then said something like “Well if you are determined to follow that path there are consequences. Read My Word to find out more.” And of course in our own arrogance we (the nation) haven’t read His Word, and we won’t this side of Armageddon. I am convinced that God is permitting the punishment of the British for their disobedience, in just the same way as he permitted the punishment of His people by exile or conquest in earlier times (eg exile to Babylon).
Individuals and families will continue to be saved by individual and family prayers. But, the British nation will not be saved until we get Godly leaders who will lead the nation in prayer to the one true God. Unless God works a miracle, the chance of that Godly leader is vanishingly small. (See references to the NHS being the British state religion at present!)
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
In response to your assertion that this has come about because of Godlessness, let me direct you to my other comments in this section where I point out that Christianity may have taken a role in bringing about the fall of the ancient Christian world to Mohammadism.
I think better candidates for blame for our present state are “afluenza” and simple willful ignorance. People are so well off and so intellectually lazy that they believe they have the right to hold an uninformed opinion. This makes them a danger both to themselves and everyone around them.
Yokel says
I think that you and I must needs agree to differ. This is a spiritual war in which Yahweh, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is fighting against Satan masquerading as Allah. On our own we might win the odd few battles, it needs Yahweh to win the war.
If you look at reports of the battle between Charles Martel and the invaders at Tours, it is clear that those who were present were certain that there was a miracle that day. Charles Martel’s army was small and nowhere near as battle hardened as the invaders. God routed them that day.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I agree that we will not agree. Here’s how I see it: on that day Martel had the wisdom to place his infantry in a wood to hide his numbers and protect them from the Mohammadan cavalry. And probably more than anything it was Count Odo’s raid on the Mohammadan camp (freeing of slaves and taking booty) that truly won the day.
God helps those who help themselves.
Cicero says
Prayers will not save us at all. Prayers will only serve to strengthen our resolve – a psychological tool
See what happened to the Hindu priests at the Somnath temple . Every time the Arabs invaded and destroyed the temple and slaughtered them the survivors prayed ….. heavily . The did it seven times over until there was nothing left to plunder rape and destroy.
It stayed like that for many centuries as witness to the overwhelming might of Islamic blood thirsty and aggression and the Hindus ineffectualism.
Felix Quigley says
Hugh Fitzgerald writes above…
“If an “offender was a member of, or was associated with, a group promoting hostility based on race or religion,” their sentence will also be harsher.
This should apply to Islam, a group clearly “promoting hostility based on…religion.” 9:29, 9:5, 3:151, 8:12, 8:60, 5:51 and a hundred other verses commanding Jihad, and including verses about “striking terror” into the hearts of the Infidels, could be adduced.”
The operative word above in Fitzgerald is “should” and this is the concept (that things should) which really gets to the heart of this new directive for ACTION on the part of the ruling class.
All kinds of things “should” have been the case in 1933 Germany. But Hitler and the Nazis had a different idea in their heads about what “should” be.
This is why this is an issue of capitalist state power and how capitalism is planning to rule in this and even more in the coming period.
The capitalist class in many countries is now bringing in a system of rule where open discussion is beaten off the streets.
And who are going to do the beating…well there are many forces involved in this and without itemising them in detail they are the arms of the state, namely the police and army, and behind them many in British society who aim to place Tommy Robinson permanently in a cell. Also if Trump is beaten by the McCains of this world Robert Spencer will arrive at a similar cell in America.
So if this is not the most serious issue please tell me what is!
Felix Quigley says
Indeed the above instruction to the judges has been long in the coming.
For a start when the National front (I am far from being a member) started to raise a long time ago the issue of British girls from the working class being systematicall raped by Muslims then that was prevented from having action taken because they labelled the National Front as “racist”.
The English Defence League was another example of how cannily the British ruling capitalist class operates. They have learned that to prevent a message getting out they kill the messenger.
In this the key role is played and the very canny British capitalist rulers are great at this by the people who they call and who call themselves “socialists”, that is people who should be defending the working class, but betray, as did the Labour Council of Rotherham.
In fact it comes down to who controls the Media. Clearly the British capitalist class controls the Media, especially the powerful BBC.
Even the so called “alternative media” the canny British class of capitalists control them too.
So this is a major major issue that Fitzgerald and Spencer are raising. And an issue that we all had better find an answer to otherwise we will all be rather quickly (we are promised by this missive to the judges) to be languishing in a cell pretty damm quick. And it is late days.
Yokel says
“They have learned that to prevent a message getting out they kill the messenger.”
They learned that well before 1381 when they topped Wat Tyler, the leader of the Peasants’ Revolt.
Felix Quigley says
Yokel thank you and great point about Mat TYyler and the Peasants Revolt. I believe firmly that history telescopes into the present. This is a very canny and long lived British capitalist and ruling class and not to be underestimated. Some have also often remarked on the great cruelty of the British Kings out of which grew the British capitalist class, and here we have a wedding in the oft!
Without being too negative the agents of this British capitalist class inside of the working class are a big problem, Corbyn and his huge love for the “Palestinians” and his promotion of Israel hatred. And Rotherham showed where they (Labour Party)really stand.
The question above concerning this missive and move to total dictatorship, in my opinion, revolves around can the British working class take the power from off this venal British capitalist class.
And is there an alternative to that?
If there is an alternative to that I do wish to hear it!
gravenimage says
No, Capitalism is not Islam, nor is free trade intrinsically pro-Islam.
Felix Quigley is just–as usual–stumping for oppressive Communism here.
Tom says
This is the first step in the UK to the reintroduction of the death sentence, but not for murder or gang raping of young children, or blowing up a concert full of young girls, or for killing ones family member for “honor”, no not for those menial offences but for the MUCH more aggregious offence of criticising Islam.
One small step for the UK, one giant leap backwards for western civilization.
Lu says
Man, that’s a truly historical statement:
“One small step for the UK, one giant leap backwards for western civilization.”
Don’t forget to write it down. And print it out and save for posterity … no electronic records :-).
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I wonder which scenic London location will chosen for public beheadings when they start.
Felix Quigley says
DEADLY DEFEATISM…PMP wrote some time ago…
“Too late…too little too late. Britaiannounce defeayn is lost, utterly.”
Yes British Capitalism and British Imperialism is rotting to the core and in that sense is lost, and good riddance too.
But the British working class, the British people, the ordinary people not the elites, are not lost.
Could PMP be an agent of that bankrupt British ruling class and he seeks to announce defeat and hand victory tot he British supporters of Islam?
Probably not but he is doing a good job all the same at sowing defeatism.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“But the British working class, the British people, the ordinary people not the elites, are not lost.”
Yea, but … this working class of yours … voted in this government.
Felix Quigley says
You know nothing of Britain
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#/media/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley believes that Britons are just champing at the bit for Communism.
Robert Callow says
When there is no freedom of speech we shall know then that our satanic rulers have finally enslaved us.
Felix Quigley says
Is there not a royal wedding in the oft? And the Prince is of the army! And his bride is somebody who is a “Trump hater”! and the Prince who was of the army has a big thing with Obama! So the forces line up as they always did in Britain in decisive moments.
The ruling class may indeed be making a move on our democratic rights under cover of a phony royal bit of fluff! Thanks to Spencer for spotting this key issue anyway so we may become aware and may organize ourselves.
Richard Courtemanche says
Can anyone explain why such political cowardice should not be countered by an uprising of the population?
Estee Tabernac says
No matter how you try to dress it up, religious intolerance is unacceptable. If you suffer from it, keep it to yourself. If you want to spread it around, be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Like fag bashing, Moslem bashing will get you in trouble. When it happens, it’s going to be very embarrassing to be unmasked and exposed to the world as a bigot.
There are some very nasty bullies operating in Britain today and it is going to take sharp measures to get them to stop hurting and offending people. The civil order depends on maintaining the peace.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Religious intolerance is not only permissible but also recommended when the religion in question is itself intolerant towards other religions (or encourages and sanctions criminal behaviour) – as is Mohammadism, the religion in question. Religious toleration is a creation of the Age of Enlightenment and there is no philosopher that I am aware of, of that age, that sanctions ABSOLUTE religious tolerance. It was worded as a social contract, “I, of my faith, do grant you toleration as you do me.” Mohammadan scripture clearly and repeatedly violate the spirit and the word of this contract.
Your sentence, “No matter how you try to dress it up, religious intolerance is unacceptable,” is little more than virtue signaling since you very clearly hold to a view that toleration must be absolute. As I just proved, this is nonsense.
“Moslem bashing” is the term you use. This is sloppy thinking/writing. The article clearly states that criticizing Mohammadism will get you into trouble. Nowhere is there any reference to assaulting an actual person.
“When it happens, it’s going to be very embarrassing to be unmasked and exposed to the world as a bigot.”
So you think you will silence people with the threat of shaming? You also might want to actually look up the word “bigot.” Wait, don’t bother … I’ll do it for you:
big·ot noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots – a person who is intolerant toward those holding different OPINIONS.
Sorry, it’s not a synonym for racist, not that that would work in this case. Are you intolerant towards those who hold a different opinion than yours?
“it is going to take sharp measures to get them to stop hurting and offending people.”
Oh, you definitely are a bigot! By the way, hurting and offending with words is never a crime. It is rude and impolite, and some people would say immoral but it is not a crime. In fact, some would say that free speech should be defined as the right to offend. Where did this idea of criminalizing rudeness come from? What stupidity!
“The civil order depends on maintaining the peace.”
If you want that kind of peace where people’s civil liberties are restricted then I recommend you move to the Dar al Islam. “Civil order” is heavily enforced there.
By the way, your comment offends me but I would fight to defend your right to hold and express your rigid, intolerant and uninformed opinion.
vladdy says
This is an incredible display of totalitarian thought. And islamic-supremacy.
gravenimage says
“Estee Tabernac” appears to believe that the “civic order” is brutal Shari’ah law. *Ugh*.
Badger says
WTF is The Sentencing Council for England and Wales? I’ve never heard of that before.
We have become a police state. Not ‘becoming’ any more, we are there. Handfuls and laggings for expressing the wrong opinions. Can’t somebody get rid of this evil woman?
Yokel says
From their web site at: https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/
“The Sentencing Council for England and Wales promotes greater consistency in sentencing, whilst maintaining the independence of the judiciary. The Council produces guidelines on sentencing for the judiciary and criminal justice professionals and aims to increase public understanding of sentencing.”
Their “About Us” page is at: https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/about-us/
Paddy says
Admittedly a longshot but Brits ought revolt and join Trump’s America.
Amanda Trebiano says
Way to go Europe!! Last century you let them take you guns. Now they put you in PRISON for 6 years for MEAN TWEETS. You people better wake the F up and SOON or you’re going to be having public beheadings again and soon. Kick the Moslems OUT–don’t you SEE what is happening here??
Yokel says
All done by very gentle thin salami slicing the rights away. Or to change the metaphor, this frog pond is a little hot!
Most people cannot see what is happening because they have been lied to by the news media, and because the State and the Churches have conspired to destroy the people’s faith in God. They have a spiritual hunger, and for all the “reverts” Islam fills that gap.
The European says
So, telling the truth about Islam will be a punishable offence. Defending one’s country against the daily encroachments of Islam is stirring up racial hatred. Criticizing Islam is hate speech.
All this seems quite Orwellian, and, at first sight, the British ruling classes are lunatics, because only people in a loony bin do misjudge reality so utterly; protecting and promoting a most intolerant and most barbarous belief system like Islam which is bent on destroying everything Western civilization stands for.
But their might be another explanation. All these British decision-makers are more or less pragmatists. For decades, they have witnessed mass immigration from islamic countries, sometimes welcoming it, sometimes opposing it, sometimes encouraging it, sometimes trying to slow it down. But now, they have come to think of it as something which is inevitable, and as more and more Muslims pour into Great Britain, it seems urgent to them to come to terms with Islam. Their multiethnic and multicultural society is becoming more and more disharmonious every day, a society marred by ethnic and religious strife and discontent, a society on the verge of breaking apart, with civil war looming in a not so distant future. It is like in the days of Constantine the Great, and like Constantine who tried to use Christianity which, by the time he ruled, had penetrated all social classes of the Roman Empire, in order to unify culturally, socially and spiritually his crumbling empire, the British ruling classes might think they can pacify their dystopian society by promoting Islam and by granting privileges to Muslims. It will not work, of course, but it may somehow account for their attitude towards Islam.
Lu says
Interesting line of thought … I would tend to agree; we can interpret the development from such an angle. But … there was point in time at which the “decision makers” still were able to make a decision and stop or even reverse the trend. But because of being lousy decision makers (or maybe bribed etc. – what difference it makes now) they just did not do it.
Their guilt is now that they did not make such a move. Now it is late and yeah – ain’t gonna work as you say.
Albion’s future is very bleak indeed.
Hogdude says
This is one reason we fought so hard for our freedom from Great Britain in the 1700s — freedom from weak-kneed Brit politicians. The only thing I admire them for is their victory in the Battle of Britain, the sinking of the Bismarck and sending us Bob Hope. Good luck, Brits.
Voytek Gagalka says
It is called inflation of prison sentences. The bigger inflation, the less effective it will be. Ask Germans who tried the same method during WWII. At that time it was called “inflation of death sentences.” But if for almost anything you could get that same death sentence, it was much less dangerous to join open resistance and pay the perpetrators with death, too. Because death is death and cannot be graduated to “bigger death” or “tough death” or “super death.”
Prodi101 says
Looks like Sharia law is starting to kick in the U.K
Mel Kozun says
“Islam” is not a “religion”. It is a socio-political ideology of world domination by any means possible.
vladdy says
Bless you for this. THAT is what people globally will have to accept and then face whether they are welcoming totalitarianism or fighting it.
In this country-USA — we must be watchful for those wolves in sheep’s clothing like Roseanne– whose latest episode, I hear (no TV, she brags…) has the muslim neighbors turn out to be “just like everyone else” — and worse, the Connor’s originaly suspicion made to look like foolish intolerance.
Politicianophobia says
Iqra Khalid, the Muslim member of parliament from Pakistan, may have introduced M-103 in Canada, however even though I may be considered by some, to be past my best before date, I will say whatever I bloody well want to say in Canada, the free country that it is. Imam Mazim Abdul-adhim, living in London, Ontario, the Canadian head of Hibz ut-Tharir, the terrorist group, says he wants Shari’ah law and has been saying it for years. Trudeau and 183 other Liberals should have their asses kicked out of office in 2019 and perhaps they should be charged with treason.
I am really tired of all this political correct BS. Time for all to grow up, smarten up, quit whining and shut up.
If you at not happy living in Canada go back to Iraq Mazim, and off to Pakistan for Iqra, it is that simple.
Canada is not an Islamic country and never will be. I will never go back to England.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
And we, Politicianophobia, will do our best to get “their asses kicked out of office in 2019”
I plan to plant signs for the Conservative Party during the campaign.
Felix Quigley says
You totally miss the whole point of this posting by Spencer and the reason you miss it is that despite your pompous choice of name you are totally ignorant of the realities of history, and especially the key parts of history in Germany 1933 on, Spain 1936 on, Italy and many others, including Chile more recently. You will find yourself putting your election posters up in jail. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS POST BY SPENCER!
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#/media/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg
gravenimage says
No, Robert Spencer is not stumping for Trotskyism.
Felix Quigley says
Let me make a couple of points. This Sentencing Council is not some casual affair, it is firmly lodged inside of the British state, and since the British State has never had a Constitution, this is exactly how it works there, and this is how they move into dictatorial forms of rule, into Fascism, and where all freethinkers are repressed. London where dissidents like Karl Marx found a refuge is now turned into its opposite. Britain leads the international and world reaction and drives to dictatorship. It has led through the BBC the war on the result of the American 2016 Election, it leads in the war on President Trump, it inspires Trudeau and his M103. Spencer and McDermott are to be congratulated along with Breitbart in seeing this. But simply seeing it is still not the answer. There must be the correct method of DEFENDING AGAINST WHAT IS FASCISM.
Felix Quigley says
One further point but the most important really. It was all right over years for the old commenters on Jihadwatch to come on week after week, day after day, hour after hour and make their true, but repetitive and essentially shallow comments about Islam.
I fear though that that period has ended and new challenges are being posed which those old commenters are incapable of dealing with.
You can see easily in this key position by the “Sentencing Council” at the very centre of the British state that the British State is moving to dictatorship.
This was the meaning, in hindsight, of their war on the Serbs in support of Islamofascists such as Izetbegovic.
And linked to that was the war on Tommy Robinson and the English Defence League with the use of jail against Robinson.
Having learned from that they are moving to a new phase where they jail anybody who is in opposition to
their rule. It is Islam today. It can be any political offense tomorrow.
gravenimage says
Felix Quigley wrote:
One further point but the most important really. It was all right over years for the old commenters on Jihadwatch to come on week after week, day after day, hour after hour and make their true, but repetitive and essentially shallow comments about Islam.
I fear though that that period has ended and new challenges are being posed which those old commenters are incapable of dealing with.
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Felix Quigley may believe that he can bring about a purge of Jihad Watch commenters, but he is quite mistaken.
peter says
it is very clear that Teresa May has fallen for circumcised men with flowing beard .I wonder why !
Louis says
UK moving from a secular state to a non-secular Islamic state!!
Felix Quigley says
I do not wish to appear objectionable but you are wrong and please google “is britain secular” and get some vital information.
If you understood how Islam has wormed itself very effectively into Britain proper you would realise that it has used the fact that Britain is NOT secular that they have found it easy to get in.
I thought everybody understood this.
America has a stronger defence but that is also why they all seek to destroy the secularism of the Constitution in order for Islam to enter with full FORCE
vladdy says
Since google is a powerful globalist corporation that discriminates against traditionalism and truth, may I gently suggest that DuckDuckGo and others are much better options? And that ” google” is not a verb — it is a brand name and does not need our free advertising.
Exact speech, saying what you mean and not what has been given you by the opponents, is extremely important in a time when these same tech giants are joining the globalist deep state ( which will, of course, make use of islam as a means of cracking down) in taking away freedoms
Not meant personally, of course, but to all who have not really thought through the implications of using language as the oppositions prefers us to.
Lizzie Schofield says
I am a critic of Islam, part of a Christian ministry that debates Muslims at Speaker’s Corner every Sunday, (DCCI Ministries, we’re on YouTube.) So I am deeply concerned about freedom of speech. However, this Breitbart article you quote from is a bit alarmist. What the guidelines actually say is:
“The essence of each offence is the intention to stir up hatred. However, the offences contain an important distinction in that the racial hatred offences can include use of threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, while the offences relating to hatred against persons on religious grounds or grounds of sexual orientation provide for threatening words or behaviour only, and do not extend to activity which is abusive or insulting.”
I take from this abusing and insulting another’s religion is still allowed. I hope I’m right, anyway!
gravenimage says
UK proposes six-year prison sentence for criticizing Islam
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Utter insanity and crushing of freedom of speech. I can’t believe this is happening in Britain.