This is highly unusual: an establishment media outlet noting (and at great length, too) the plight of people who leave Islam. Watch for ABC Australia to be inundated with charges of “Islamophobia.”
The death penalty for those who leave Islam is based upon the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
Nonetheless, there is a growing group of courageous ex-Muslims who are standing up and speaking out. One of them operates the excellent new site ex-Muslim.tv, where he collects and presents videos of ex-Muslims explaining why they left Islam despite the risks, and who speak out now for their rights and human rights in general.
Ex-Muslim.tv is an extraordinary and worthy effort, especially in our strange age in which Islam is everywhere celebrated in the establishment media, without any attention paid whatsoever to the lives destroyed by its death penalty for apostasy, its institutionalized oppression of women, its Jew-hatred, etc. Please bookmark this site and visit it often, and contribute if you can to this important effort.
“Secret ex-Muslim network in Australia fear disownment and abuse,” by Jennine Khalik, ABC.net.au, June 10, 2018 (thanks to Kenneth):
…They are members of an underground network of former Muslims across Australia, caught between secularism and Islam. Some fear persecution if their loss of faith is discovered, some fear for their lives.
Melbourne local Aisha* is one of more than 70 members of the network spread across the country.
Aisha was cut off from her family three years ago when things took a dark turn after she removed her hijab.
“I never actually told my parents I was an ex-Muslim because I was scared of their reaction,” she said.
“The most that happened was when I took my hijab off, one of my friends put a photo on Facebook and my parents ended up seeing it.
“They were pretty upset and said I was obviously just a whore who would end up dead in the gutters.”
She said her parents, whom she described as “moderate, even liberal”, turned physically violent and police got involved.
Aisha, in her 20s, was forced to move out of the family home.
“My parents were claiming I was a compulsive liar.”
Her identity has been protected because she is still afraid of possible consequences, like most people in this network.
“When you think about it, over a billion people still follow Islam. If it brings them comfort let it bring them comfort. I think the issue is when it starts to infringe on our right to live,” Aisha said.
The members we met recounted stories of either being disowned by family, forced into silence, shamed or demonised by community leaders and clerics, and having to pretend they were Muslim to avoid issues.
The abuse can be psychological, verbal, physical, and also financial for those who are dependent.
For many Australians, it is not unusual to be casually open about their atheism or agnosticism. Thirty per cent of Australians described themselves as having “no religion” in the 2016 census.
But it is different for many who have been raised Muslim.
In the last census by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, ex-Muslims in the secret group still embedded in their communities chose Islam as their religion because answering the census was a household activity.
Group members who spoke exclusively to the ABC said they led double lives and were afraid of “coming out”. Many maintain a Muslim exterior at home, at work, in their communities, and at mosques.
Nadia*, another network member based in Melbourne wore a niqab — the face veil — when she was practising.
She runs an anonymous blog called Nullifidian, where she writes about her experiences being home schooled and raised in a strict Muslim household.
Nadia, in her 20s and also ostracised from family, covers her hair and most of her face in online videos in order to remain disguised and anonymous.
She told the ABC Australian ex-Muslims had a simple wish.
“Ex-Muslims just want to live their life how they need to without fearing disownment, isolation, imprisonment or death,” she said.
In one blog post, she explained: “I choose to remain anonymous online because although I live in a western country, I have endured so much abuse and threats from the Muslim community where I live.
“I also choose to remain anonymous because I have previously been doxxed by Muslims who went as far as to try and get me fired by contacting my workplace.”…
In a Koranic verse, it says there is “no compulsion in religion”. In another, it states apostasy is punishable by death and there are several mentions of hellfire as punishment for disbelievers in the afterlife.
There are several hadith — sayings of the Prophet Mohammad — that are broadly agreed to be “authentic” and “correct” by Sunni Muslim scholars that also state leaving Islam is a sin punishable by death.
In 23 Muslim-majority countries, apostasy is a crime. In 13 of those countries, apostates get the death penalty, however in some of those countries, it is not enforced by the state.
While there is some protection given to freedom of religion in the Australian constitution, ex-Muslims still choose to be careful because the price to pay for leaving the faith can be high.
And the community they now fear, they used to call their own.
Sydney scholar Sheikh Ahmed Abdo said: “You could easily pick and choose verses from the Koran and shape whatever narrative you want … if they’re not taken in a holistic manner.”
He said apostasy carried a capital punishment in classical Islamic legal manuals, though added: “The punishment for apostasy is usually included in sections dealing with rebellion and political warfare.”
“People are free to choose to embrace Islam or leave Islam, just like they’re free to make choices in how they live their lives.”
He added: “No-one should be calling to kill an apostate in lands where Islamic law is not applied.”
Echoing this was Mr Kadri from the Islamic Council of Queensland who said he put the questions the ABC asked to Islamic scholars.
“As Muslims, we abide by Australian laws and in Australia apostasy is not a crime,” he said.
“[The] Koran is highly contextual. Only the extremists — Muslims and non-Muslims — use such verses out of context to further their agendas.”
He said the verse was, “contextual to a time of war and turbulence”.
“No mainstream Muslim scholar in Australia has ever advocated for such punishments,” he said.
“Every faith considers leaving of that faith to be a sin and it is not illegal to believe so.”…
elee says
Suggesting that Muslims follow the clear words of their scriptures, even in part? He must be one of those Islamophobes we read about. Somebody better call SPLC! Oh and call out some liberals to accept humiliation and pay jizya.
Nour says
Noble Quran does not prescribe death penalty for deserters of Islam, but rather states that they would be in Hell in the hereafter:
{…Your enemies] will not cease to fight against you till they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. But if any of you should turn away from his faith and die as a denier of the truth – these it is whose works will go for nought in this world and in the life to come; and these it is who are destined for the fire, therein to abide.} (Quran 2:217)
Here is a verse that directly refers to people who abandon their faith after accepting it. It says what means:
{But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have [of set purpose] gone astray.} (Quran 3:90)
As you can see, there is no mention here of the death penalty for the deserters.
But there are Muslim scholars who believe in the death penalty for apostates because of hadiths that mention it.
If we study the context of these hadiths, we can see that the ruling was with reference to certain specific cases of miscreants who wished to undermine Islam, by joining Islam first and then deserting it. This is mentioned in the following verse that says what means:
{A section of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] say: “Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers [Muslims], but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may [themselves] turn back [from Islam].”} (Quran 3:72)
In order to protect Islam from such malicious attempts to subvert it, death penalty might have been deemed necessary.
Again context is key.
read the verse that says what means:
{Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed [to God’s will] in Islam. Leave them alone to enjoy [the good things of this life] and to please themselves: let [false] hope amuse them: soon will knowledge [undeceive them].} (Quran 15:2-3)
This verse clearly indicates that the disbelievers should be left alone. Moreover, the killing of apostates would undermine the freedom of will Allah has bestowed on each human, as is made clear in the verses that say what means:
{If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.} (Quran 10:99-100)
{Say, “The truth is from your Lord”: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject [it]: for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a dwelling (resting place)!”} (Quran 18:29)
The verses quoted above are categorical that complete freedom of will is a condition for sincere and wholehearted submission to Allah Almighty, and no force should be used in this regard. This is because coercion does not go along with freedom of choice.
Keys says
Nour, the lady doth protest too much methinks !
Ashley says
Thanks, Nour.
I guess if you are fortunate enough to escape Islam and survive, you can look forward to a life rife with family and friend estrangement, ridicule, threats, humiliation, etc.
Then you get to look forward to burning in Hell for eternity when your hellish life finally ends.
Sweet!
Mirren10 says
Uh-huh.
Quran (4:89) – “They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
So, ‘Nour’, whitewash *that* for us, will you ? Cheers.
LeftisruiningCanada says
So why are so many ex muslims living in fear, and why do all the schools of islamic law support the death penalty to one extent or another?
Why not quote them, or ahadith? Islam is not a ‘koran only’ movement after all.
duh swami says
Nour…So the Quran doesen’t say what it says, it is Allah code that means something else…Only the pious can get the real meanings of ‘perfection’…I’m sure Allah appreciates his Muslims interpreting his words…When you meet him, be sure to have some good excuses, just in case he disagre’s with your interpretation…
John says
There is a term for lying when it benefits Islam, it is called TAQIYYA. If you do not understand, look up this term on Wikipedia.
Eur says
I just hope that a son or daughter of yours does not suffer the wrath of the members of your community if someday they decide not to follow the ummah. You are trying to justify the unjustifiable.
gravenimage says
The dishonest Nour wrote:
Noble Quran does not prescribe death penalty for deserters of Islam, but rather states that they would be in Hell in the hereafter…
As you can see, there is no mention here of the death penalty for the deserters.
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This is because Nour is deliberately omitting this. This, from the Hadith:
“Prophet” Muhammad said, “Whoever changes his [Islamic] religion kill him.”
That is pretty straightforward.
More:
But there are Muslim scholars who believe in the death penalty for apostates because of hadiths that mention it.
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Exactly.
More:
If we study the context of these hadiths, we can see that the ruling was with reference to certain specific cases of miscreants who wished to undermine Islam, by joining Islam first and then deserting it. This is mentioned in the following verse that says what means:
{A section of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] say: “Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers [Muslims], but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may [themselves] turn back [from Islam].”} (Quran 3:72)
In order to protect Islam from such malicious attempts to subvert it, death penalty might have been deemed necessary.
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So daring to leave Islam is “malicious”, and those who do so must be murdered? Got it.
More:
Again context is key.
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Yes–murdering apostates is pretty clear.
More:
read the verse that says what means:
{Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed [to God’s will] in Islam. Leave them alone to enjoy [the good things of this life] and to please themselves: let [false] hope amuse them: soon will knowledge [undeceive them].} (Quran 15:2-3)
This verse clearly indicates that the disbelievers should be left alone.
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What tripe. The very next verse talks about Muslims wiping out entire cities.
More:
Moreover, the killing of apostates would undermine the freedom of will Allah has bestowed on each human, as is made clear in the verses that say what means…
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Note that Nour does not say why so many of her coreligionists have gotten things so , so wrong, and continue to murder apostates.
Note that Nour does not actually criticize what has happened to this poor ex-Muslim.
And if she were *really* upset that Muslims murder apostates, she would take it up with them–instead of spouting Taqiyya here at Jihad Watch.
More:
The verses quoted above are categorical that complete freedom of will is a condition for sincere and wholehearted submission to Allah Almighty, and no force should be used in this regard. This is because coercion does not go along with freedom of choice.
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Islam is full of instances of conversion at sword point. Nour does not actually condemn this, but just says it does not happen. What crap.
IanB says
gravenimage’s skill at intelligently dissecting and exposing the falsity of the taqiyya spewed out here in comments made by muslims or their apologists is consistently impressive. Her contributions are of great value to JhadWatch and to counter-jihad generally. Thank you graven.
Ashley says
Hear Hear!!!
tim gallagher says
I agree, IanB and Ashley. gravenimage definitely contributes a hell of a lot to the important fight against barbaric Islam and its supporters and deserves the praise you give her.
gravenimage says
Thank you so much, Ian, Ashley, and Tim.
Elisha says
“Context is the key”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
The quran is a jumbled mess of lies, hatred and violence against unbelievers. You do what all muslims are commanded to do, ie LIE! 16:106 highlights this more than any other verse. Throw in the obligatory tawriya, kitman and muruna and voila!, more duping of the ignorant, lazy masses. You embarrass yourself but you’re way too conceited to acknowledge that.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. – Hosea 4:6
Michael Copeland says
“…context is key.”
What is the context?
“..the teachings of the Koran are not restricted by time and space. They are universal and trans-time. they can be applied today just as they were applied fourteen hundred years ago”
Imam Ahmed Saad,
North London Central Mosque
gravenimage says
+1
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Michael Copeland.
Giacomo Latta says
Assuming you are female, what are you doing reading the Koran? Every book written has an intended audience and that of the Koran is males only. Females only rate as an asset, such as a slave? Who do you think you are to have the status of a male? Youn are not a true Muslim.
Vlad says
Repent!!
The only true religion is the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Remember he boiled for us.
Vlad says
Here is a web site with all the pertinent info and anyone can get their help and advise from here, including ex muselman (and the more, the merrier.)
The unholy catholic church was not a beacon of morality for all of it’s existence, hence the many splinter groups and lately judicial prosecutions of bishops/arch bishops and “fathers”, witch burnings and torture, not that much different from I s l a m, really.
But then again, EVERY religion had and still has it’s quaint customs of ensuring compliance.
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/consulates
Peter Buckley says
“The number of ex-Muslims likely to keep growing
The Australian group has no formal presence like its US and British counterparts — Ex-Muslims of North America (EXMNA) or Council of Ex-Muslims in Britain (CEMB).
It continues to remain low-key, but is slowly growing.
In the United States, 23 per cent of Americans raised as Muslims no longer identify with the faith according to the Pew Research Centre.”
Nadia, who is in touch with ex-Muslims all over the world, said she was, “shocked at how many people had gone through similar experiences as me despite us being countries apart”.
“If you look at countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, ex-Muslims are believed to be in the hundreds of thousands,” she said.
“I believe that there are so many more ex-Muslims in Australia than just the few that are part of the Australian group.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-09/double-lives:-the-secret-ex-muslim-network-in-australia/9811340
Precisely. The number of “muslims” is ALWAYS OVERRATED in virtually every context. Those who believe in the “muslim demographic takeover” nonsense, please note.
boakai ngombu says
Sydney scholar Sheikh Ahmed Abdo said: “You could easily pick and choose verses from the Koran and shape whatever narrative you want … if they’re not taken in a holistic manner.”
indeed. and so the sheikh shapes a narrative, being deceptive, like the allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) and its messenger, muhammad (lately contrived; full of lusts; lacking compassion)
those who have turned live in fear … the threat of being recognized, ostracized, injured, killed, is real within the community … the penalty for such MUST be extracted according to SHARIA.
at present, there seems to be no refuge center established by churches and other agencies. shameful.
Ashley says
EXCELLENT comment, boakai. I especially liked “at present, there seems to be no refuge center established by churches and other agencies. shameful.”
It seems that churches and other agencies are devoting their resources to actually EMBRACE Islam.
Has a public library hosted a “Meet your EX-MUSLIM Neighbor” speaker event? Nah, I didn’t think so.
We have shelters for the battered, the homeless, the addicted. We have safe baby drop-off locations. We have clean needle exchanges. We have no-kill animal shelters.
Where does an ex-Muslim seek refuge?
Raja says
Thanks Boakai and Ashley for great comments.
That reminds me of stray dog shelters (rn by individuals) even in the Islamic Turkey.(Here black dogs could be banned as the Koran says it is the devil!!!) Shame on Christians who don’t even know who the enemy is and how he is destroying the human liberties.
Are stray dogs more important than humans? Shame on Christians who speak up for only Christians and not humans in general.
Susan B. says
Both are important, there is no reason that either needs to suffer.
Susan B. says
Christians have always spoken up for human rights so I am not sure what you are talking about.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Susan.
Susan B. says
Hello………CBC ?
Keys says
Hello ….. CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, Fox …. Hello ?
Will someone please call al Jazeera, Saudi 1, Al Ekhbariya, Al Arabiya … ?
Will someone please call Trump, Trudeau, Merkel, Macron, May, …. ?
Hello, Earth ?
Hello, God !
J D S says
quoting in a koranic verse. there is punishment in hellfire for disbelieve….Of coarse there is punishment…But hellfire awaits all those who disbelieve in Jesus…. It’s in the Book!
christianblood says
The secular West and Muslims both hate Christianity!
jayell says
This is all pretty appalling, but one sentence stood out like a sore thumb…….
“My parents were claiming I was a compulsive liar.”
This. From adherents of a faith that not openly prescribes rank dishonesty but has turned it into a science.
Ashley says
Thank you, Robert!
Ever since reading Ayann Hirsi Ali’s books I’ve been most interested in the personal accounts emerging from the ex-Muslim camp. I stand in awe of their courage.
I appreciate these posts and thank you again.
gravenimage says
So agree, Ashley.
somehistory says
Back in the early ’90’s. I met a young man who had been born moslim, but met and married a young Christian woman and liked what she told him about Christ. He became Christian. From that point on in his life, he had to be on the run. He and his wife left their homeland and moved from one country to another, finally coming to the U.S.
Even here, they were not safe. He warned me that our friendship could not last long as he already had information that they were closing in once again. He said when they found him, they would kill him for sure.
And he was right about our acquaintance being a short one. I do not know if he is still alive and on the run of if he and his wife managed to find a safe place.
islam is from satan the devil and satan is relentless in wanting humans dead.
Ashley says
Wow! Thank you for sharing that, Somehistory.
Why isn’t there some sort of witness/victim protection act for those that dare leave Islam? Your acquaintance and his wife deserved to be granted new identities and relocated to a safe haven (if such a place still exists in this screwed-up world.)
I sincerely hope they are okay.
somehistory says
Thank you, Ashley.
I too hope they are still alive and prospering somewhere safe.
If Justice and Righteousness had a firm hold in society, there would be safe places for these ones and islam would not be allowed to conquer so much for evil.
Someday.
gravenimage says
I hope your friend has been able to stay safe.
somehistory says
Thank you, g. I hope so too.
One thing that stood out to me: he said the Paradise offered by Christ was to him so much more than the one offered by islam. I don’t recall his exact words, but the way he said it has stayed with me.
gravenimage says
Thank you, somehistory.
LeftisruiningCanada says
““When you think about it, over a billion people still follow Islam. If it brings them comfort let it bring them comfort. I think the issue is when it starts to infringe on our right to live,” Aisha said.”
And that is the issue.
mohammad and his plan of world domination (islam) make absolute claims to infringe on our right to live.
islam cannot exist without doing so.
Michael Copeland says
Muslims have no option:
“It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision” – Koran 33:36
Who made the decision? Allah and his Messenger: it was a joint decision.
Evidently Allah had a partner. The Koran says so.
LeftisruiningCanada says
“People are free to choose to embrace Islam or leave Islam, just like they’re free to make choices in how they live their lives.”
Of course they are. They are also free to face the consequences of rejecting allah and mohammed his messenger, which officially involves death.
He added: “No-one should be calling to kill an apostate in lands where Islamic law is not applied.””
Hmmm. But in sharia countries it’s ok, i guess?
Poindexter says
Hitler should have left the Jews alone & killed of those Demonic Barbaric Creatures kmown as Muslims
Eur says
Buffff
gravenimage says
Hitler *admired* Islam, as Poindexter no doubt knows. The idea that the Nazis were interested in protecting civilized people is, of course, quite ludicrous.
DHazard says
There is no depth to the Quran. There are no parts that form a “holistic” whole. It is just the random, make believe rants and fantasies of an avaricious, evil man. Besides Islam, by definition, requires that ALL Muslims be at war with ALL non-Muslims until there aren’t any of the latter left. So if the “context” (for the apostasy death penalty) is war then it began with Muhammad and is still going on.
It would be nice if all Muslims agreed to contextualize Islam’s inherent violence out of existence, but it’s not going to happen.
Michael Copeland says
“This wretched book … I have been unable to discover in it one single idea of value.”
Arthur Schopenhauer
An “incoherent jumble of fable and precept and declamation….”
Edward Gibbon
“It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic. There is also the barrenness of the message. It has no ethical dimension.”
Sebastian Faulks
https://libertygb.org.uk/news/book-reviews-koran
Coach Martin says
We cannot just sit to wait until our children are raped or abused. Our ancestors created security and wealth, even a Republic . . . if we can keep it.
How about if we stop taking selfies and turn off the TV until we fix this problem of Muslim infiltration?
gravenimage says
Ex-Muslim: “Although I live in a western country, I have endured so much abuse and threats from the Muslim community where I live”
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Apostates from Islam are always at risk. This is a principled and brave woman.
tim gallagher says
As someone living in Australia, I can say that it is a wonder that the ABC, which runs the usual left wing protection racket for Islam and Muslims, ran the story. I guess that’s what you are getting at, Jay Boo, when you say that equally leftie infested BBC should report on things like this. In fact, I’m surprised that these ex-Muslims chose to talk to the ABC ( our government run, taxpayer funded broadcaster like the UK’s BBC) because I thought they would distrust the Islamophile ABC. I thought they might choose to talk to the more truthful commercial radio stations like 2GB or 4BC or the commercial TV stations. Anyway, I admire these ex-Muslims, wish them well and hope they can have safe and happy lives. And it may be a sign of some progress that the usually Islamophile ABC is giving ex-Muslims a say.
John says
I dont think there is any connection to the Australian ABC. The ABC I know is one of the most left wing media TV in the world. Rabid almost, and Trump haters, and multi cultural true believers. Alike to CNN. I may be wrong, but I doubt it, as the ABC thinks Islamophobia is a certifiable disease.
Johm says
Your right ! The Quran is the most debotched book I ever read ! Why would the angel Gaberal say one thing in the Bible and the opposite in the Quran ? Its because he is not a lier ! Satan who wrote the Quran is ! It reads in English like a 5th grader wrote it ! The dummiest book I ever read ! Full of lieing things that are not true !
Stewart Davies says
Looking at the photograph above, the thought struck me that,if one could imagine an artist’s concept of the faces of the legions of hell as reproduced on canvas, that is what they would look like.
gravenimage says
I’m an Artist and I very much agree with you.
IanB says
I wish the leftist / liberal faction would recognise it is these courageous ex-Muslims who really need “safe spaces”, not immature, over-protected college students. Western governments should be giving maximum protection to ex-Muslims and minimum (zero) pandering to Muslim “cultural sensitivities”.
shoehorn says
‘Ex-Muslims are politically diverse, and many do feel Muslim communities in the West are demonised but that it should not stop people from criticising Islam.’
Breathe a word against jihad or sharia and you’ll be demonised as all kinds of racist redneck.
‘Mohammad said it seemed like the Right were, “the only side of politics willing to critically discuss Islam and its issues”.
True.
“Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for such discussion to devolve into bigoted rants about Muslims and their intentions in Australia,”
We know what their intentions are, they keep telling us.
http://www.hizb-australia.org/2016/02/faqs-hizb-ut-tahrir/
terry says
Yet another example of the most destructive, ugly ideology in the history of mankind.