The principle is always and everywhere the same: whenever Islamic law and mores and Western law and mores are in conflict, Western principles must give way. The Western political and media elites have already internalized this principle, and are acting upon it, as in this case. And as far as they’re concerned, the sooner the rest of us get with the program, the better.
“Syrian may become German despite two wives,” translated from “Syrer darf trotz zweier Ehefrauen Deutscher werden,” Basler Zeitung, May 30, 2018 (thanks to Searchlight Germany):
A Syrian, whose naturalization in Germany was revoked because of a secretive second marriage, can hope again: the German Federal Administrative Court has found a loophole.
A second marriage concluded abroad does not exclude a naturalization claim in Germany. This marriage does not preclude an effective commitment to the liberal democratic constitution, the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig decided in a judgment published on Wednesday on the naturalization of a Syrian. His case must now be re-examined.
The naturalization of the Syrian, who has been living in Germany since 1999, had been withdrawn after his second marriage had become known. He filed a lawsuit against this withdrawal. The civil engineer had married a German in April 2008 and a Syrian in June 2008 in Damascus.
He has three children with his first wife. He also recognized the paternity of a daughter from his second marriage. The girl now lives with him in Karlsruhe; his second wife has lived in a separate apartment in the city since last year.
The man was naturalized in 2010 on the basis of paragraph nine of the nationality law, which provides for the naturalization of spouses. He concealed his second marriage. In 2013, the decision was therefore withdrawn.
The prerequisite for naturalization as a spouse is, inter alia, that the applicant commits himself to living in accord with German principles. The Federal Administrative Court has now ruled that the concealed second marriage precludes this requirement of the naturalization procedure.
However, the Syrian is in principle still eligible for naturalization per paragraph ten of the law. The prerequisite in this case is, among other things, the commitment to the free democratic basic order. In the view of the Federal Administrative Court, this requires “a commitment to a community founded on human rights and law as well as respect for and protection of the human rights embodied in the Basic Law, but no commitment to the principle of civil law monogamy.”…
nicu says
Some have even 4 wives ! Taxpayers pay all for them !
When they are not living together taxpayers pay them as single mothers with their breed – plus the husband with maybe one wife and breed !
Walter Sieruk says
Polygamy is not sanctioned by God. For example God gave Adam one wife. Furthermore, in the New Testament Jesus taught “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife…” Jesus said “wife.” Not “wives” Mathew 19:5. [K.J.V.] Likewise, in First Timothy 3:2. In instructs “A bishop the must be blameless, the husband on one wife.” Here again it’s “one wife” Nevertheless, there are some people who will act as apologists for polygamy by say the king David of Israel and then later his son ,who became King Solomon of Israel did practice polygamy. Such people aren’t taking into account both the time and place. For the only reason that God did tolerate this tradition was not because it was right or that He approved of it. It was because this practice of having many wives was such an entrenched custom in the ancient Middle East that God allowed it for the above mentioned Kings of Israel. This does not mean that this custom, of polygamy, was to keep on going in other times and places.
Mujahid says
You’re another liar:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.
In Deuteronomy 21:15 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons….”
Jesus said: “Do NOT THINK that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have NOT COME to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth until heaven and earth disappear, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)”
There is not a single verse from the New Testament that prohibits polygamy.
2 Samuel 12:8
8. I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
“Now the overseer [some translations have it as “bishop”] must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 3:2)”
“A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 3:12)”
As we clearly see in those two verses, only church ministers and religious leaders are prohibited from practicing polygamy. There is no mention for ordinary people or the general population. So unless every Christian in Christianity is considered a “bishop”, “deacon”, “priest” or a “minister”, then these two verses are without a doubt irrelevant! They do not disprove polygamy in the Bible at all!
Paul was a fraud and a liar. His real name was Saul, a Jew who hated Jesus and his followers.
Another corruption from Paul is his disagreements and fights with the other disciples who were more authentic than him since they lived with and saw Jesus, while he never even once saw Jesus. Most of the New Testament is nothing but conversations between people, which are clearly not inspirations from GOD Almighty. For instance, Paul fought with Saint Peter and accused him of being “clearly in the wrong” (Galatians: 2:11-12), and had a huge argument with Saint Barnabas (Acts 15:36-39).
Now one must ask, did GOD for instance favor Paul over Barnabas and Peter and inspired him the words while he was fighting with them? If so, since Peter was “clearly in the wrong”, then how about his Gospels? Wasn’t every word that Peter spoke supposedly inspired by GOD?
How then could he be “clearly in the wrong”? One of them must be in the wrong, which in either case, would also produce another contradiction to 2 Timothy 3:16. Is Paul GOD Himself? No Christian believes in that. So why then take everything he says including 2 Timothy 3:16 as the Words of GOD Almighty when they contain clear contradictions in them?
So anything you try to use to disprove polygamy is false. Try again.
Ezra Adamson says
My gut reaction to your post is that you have not rightly divided the Word – you seem to have mixed a little truth with falsity, never a wise idea.
JawsV says
Muslims are the polygamists. You backward barbarians.
gravenimage says
More from the vicious Mujahid (Mujahid is another word for Jihadist):
You’re another liar…
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Of course, Exodus 21:10 and Deuteronomy 21:15 are attempts to *mitigate* the evils of polygamy, not to enjoin it. Nowhere does the Bible preach polygamy.
More:
Jesus said: “Do NOT THINK that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have NOT COME to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth until heaven and earth disappear, NOT THE SMALLEST LETTER, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)”
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Again, the Torah does not preach polygamy, so in this context this is quite meaningless.
I’m sure Mujahid hates the Bible for saying that a man should love his wife, as well–there is no love in Islam.
That Mujahid is quoting the Bible is absurd, as well, since Islam says that the Torah and Gospels are “corrupted”.
But we have seen this before–pious Muslims insisting that Christianity and Judaism are really just as foul as Islam, and hence they have to allow Muslims to rape women and children, practice polygamy, engage in forced marriage, and keep sex slaves.
Nice try, Mohammedan…
JawsV says
I can’t stand Merkel the ignorant witch.
mortimer says
Merkel betrayed Germany.
Rarely says
Remember: With two wives come two mothers-in-law. There’s trouble in Paradise.
CogitoErgoSum says
Not if they are kept in line with regular beatings from the fathers-in-law. Women should be seen and not heard under Islam, err…. not even seen actually.
gravenimage says
Grimly spot on, CogitoErgoSum.
WPM says
When all women are treated like livestock what kind of respect would he give any of his mother in laws? His wives are his personal slaves under Islamic Sharia law be they one wife or four wives. He can beat them, demand sex anytime he wants, have girl friends women of the right hand on the side all Ok by Islamic Sharia law .
CogitoErgoSum says
Yeah, by coming to Germany this guy has to give up his rights to have sex slaves. What is he thinking? Oh yeah, in a few more years the Germans will allow that too. Just think of how many more kids he could have to support the poor old Germans who couldn’t afford to have their own kids.
Voytek Gagalka says
First: allow just two wives, local laws (for Kaffirs) be damned… Later will come special exception for yet another (wife) and still yet another… Apparently, outright “regulation” of allowing four would face possible “Islamophobia” backlash, authorities fear… So, one small step for one Mohammedan before giant leap for all Ummah!
HugoHackenbush says
Uterus jihad.
Hari Singh says
Which means the court recognizes polygamy as it did not recommend prosecution
Karen says
The Federal Administrative Court says that a commitment to “German principles” does not include a commitment to monogamy. So, they’ve turned the naturalization regulations into a smorgasbord, similar to the way that American sanctuary cities pick and chose which immigration laws they will enforce. How tiresome, and dangerous.
utis says
Does this mean it’s O.K. for regular Germans to practice polygamy? If it’s not O.K., that means this judgement is discriminatory. Soon non-muslims will be demanding to have as many spouses as they can handle. Monogamy is monopoly, but it makes sense for the maximization of resources of both parents for the care of a reasonable size family. Fathers who don’t have the time or money for one small family can’t cope with multiple families of multiple wives. Women who are constantly competing to give their children optimal do not make for happy households.
Karen says
Polygamy is why so many Muslim men in Europe are on welfare for years. Even the relative handful of U.S. Mormons who illegally practice polygamy in fringe sects have a big fat attitude that the taxpayer owes them something. Seems that religious sanction of polygamy inspires scofflaws who think others are divinely provided to pay their bills. Not to mention what it does to cheapen the worth of the women involved.
JawsV says
Islamic polygamy should be outlawed. Too many Allah-worshippers already.
James says
The historically ignorant European elites are working overtime to ensure that there be another holocaust.
James says
Purely satanic!
utis says
Exactly what percent of men in muslim countries have more than one wife? I can bet the rich manage a few, but can even the white collar workers afford more than one? The multi-wife “immigrant” families are doing well because they leach off the Western welfare system. Also every time a male monopolizes an extra female, he’s depriving another male of a mate. Islamic society must have a lot of incels. It may explain some of their screwed-up societies.
German authorities are digging Western society’s grave with a backhoe by not thinking through the consequences of their decisions. And by suppressing debate in the media and academe. These days, I am more angry with the over-educated morons who run the West, than the “armies of darkness” that are parasitizing it.
6woods says
Putting lipstick on a pig…that phrase is as appropriate for Merkel (look at that pic) as it is for islam apologia. My apologies to the noble and intelligent porcine fellow inhabitants of our increasingly confused and bewildered little planet. If Earth could speak, she would ask “Just what the fuck is going on here???”
Yogi says
Germans vote for that traitor again and again, so don’t be surprised now , Germany is over , done , becoming are shithole , thanks to this filthy traitors politicians..
6woods says
Agreed. They get what they deserve. My german relatives are a self-hating bunch, as is my cousin in sweden. Unfortunately, she’s raising three girls.
Yogi says
On top of this nightmare another blow up scandal, huge corruption in asylum applications in Bremen, hundreds of thousands applicants positively approved illegally, how good is that !!, this officials was taking a bribes for each positively illegally savages , which they schould be out from the country, this is all like a bad dream, come to reality, awaful !!t
Matthieu Baudin says
“…Western principles must give way…”
It is the currently fashionable principle of ‘inclusiveness’ that is trumping all else. This is nothing other than a relabelling of the ’70’s principle of ‘anything goes’. A generation dominated by people who gave little thought to the significance of monogamous marriage, often choosing to bypass it to live in defacto relationships, it’s little wonder that with social authority now firmly in their grasp this generation is ready to dismantle an institution that has been foundational in providing the greatest security for the raising of children and for social equality between women and men.
duh swami says
I once had 4 live in girl friends like wives…I suffered greatly…I have the scars to prove it…I tried to get rid of them but they wouldn’t leave…
Finlay when I ran out of beer and free pot tree of them left…Now I was alone with Hilda…I would tell you about her but I don’t want you to start crying…
gravenimage says
Ha ha
Johm says
God says you shal marry only one woman ! One will be jellous of the other and vise versa . The laws must be changed to have continuity with in the family ! Multiple wife’s will have neglected wife’s .
Johm says
Stupid !
No Muzzies Here says
In their home countries they can have 4 pretend wives. There is no way now to deny them that privilege that non-Muslims don’t have. Soon it will be 4 all-around, supported and maintained by the wonderfully welcoming people of Germany.
Giacomo Latta says
Osama bin Laden’s father always had four wives. Three were permanent and one spot had a revolving-door policy where some hot new thing was kept until he was bored with her then he divorced her in order to marry the next hot item.
gravenimage says
Spot on. That is what the “Triple Talaq” is for.
Unbeliever1 says
Surrender Germany.You are a conquered nation.Submit to your new masters.
Giacomo Latta says
If German bureaucracy is logical and not hypocritical, wives of a Muslim (but not of a non-Muslim,of course, some people have more rights than others), then extra wives should be declared as half-wives or quarter-wives so that they add up to one. So any governmental payouts to wives should come to whatever a non-refugee gets. I wonder if Germany allows wives to divorce from their husbands since sharia does not. If all wives divorce from a refugee, what amounts do each get?
Kepha says
In the post-Christian Western world, what logical basis does the secularized legal system have for excluding polygamy? The black-robed, sophomoric asses who supposedly uphold the sanctity of the rule of law (degenerated from having once been ius divino et naturale to being whatever the powers-that-be choose to enforce) in our civilization have decided that two men may marry each other, and that X and Y chromosomes have nothing to do with your gender. How can they now deny plural marriage?