Ramadan Day 19 thought for the day from my new book The History of Jihad:
In 1419, the Egyptian Mamluk sultan Malik Safyaddin summoned the Coptic pope Gabriel V to his presence. The fifteenth-century Muslim historian Ibn Taghribirdi recounted that Gabriel “received reproaches and blows and was berated by the sultan…” Gabriel was “even threatened with death.”
The real problem was that the Christians were no longer observing the dhimmi restrictions. Ibn Taghribirdi continued:
After a long discussion between the doctors of the Law and the sultan on this subject, it was decided that none of these infidels would be employed in government offices, nor by the emirs; neither would they escape the measures taken to maintain them in a state of humiliation. Thereupon the sultan summoned Al-Akram Fada’il, the Christian, the vizier’s secretary, who had been imprisoned for several days; he was beaten, stripped of his clothes, and ignominiously paraded through the streets of Cairo in the company of the chief of police, who proclaimed, “This is the reward for Christians employed in government offices!” After all this, he was thrown back into prison….In this manner was Islam exalted and infidelity humiliated, and nothing is more praiseworthy in the eyes of Allah.
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duh_swami says
You will be maintained in a constant state of humiliation…
Around here the word for that is not Dhimmi, but something like it, called ‘husband’…A husband is a man who sticks by his wife
through all the humiliation he would;t have had, had he not married her to begin with…
Hmmm If I was a Coptic Priest back then I don’t think I would tell the Muslim ruler that my name was Gabriel…
mortimer says
There are hundreds of Christian bishops who were gratuitously murdered by Muslims to humiliate the Christian community and make them fearful.
‘HUMILIATION’ is a part of the consolidation of Islamic rule. This humiliation takes the form of active persecution promoted by the mullahs and condoned by the state. In a Sharia state, ‘others’ have no right to charge a Muslim with a crime. The crime is seldom even investigated by police, but simply forgotten.
mortimer says
Vigilantism against the kufaar is NOT PUNISHED in Sharia law. The Islamic ruler or sultan can choose to prosecute crimes against ‘others’ or simply ignore them and quash any charge.
Mari For says
The more and more I read this stuff, the more and more I realise that this pseudo religion and horrific ideology combined are of the devil’s doing. Allah is evidently Satan as his followers claim that their vile actions are Allah’s will and desire. I saw a video yesterday of an Australian imam who was preaching violently screaming that rape, beating one’s wives, stealing, murder were all very lesser sins than forgetting to pray 5 times a day. These are monsters who influence those who are influenceable, who preach these lies with the intentions of getting rid of the non believers of their Bullsh*t. Thank the Lord, the Jews are wide awake and not fearful of counterattacking these barbaric followers of Allah. I am sorry for those Muslims who genuinely want to live in peace and who are terrified because of threats to themselves and their families to revolt against these fanatics.
Elisha says
duh swami, please consider:
I turned my heart to know and to search out and to seek wisdom and the scheme of things, and to know the wickedness of folly and the foolishness that is madness. And I find something more bitter than death: the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her. – Ecclesiastes 7:25-26
God bless.
Susan B. says
duh_swami this is not a site against women, but islam. There are plenty of sites that do that sort of thing so why would you take that mind set here. Women are not the enemy, islam is.
mortimer says
Humiliation in Islam
-Persian scholar Mulla Ahmad wrote to Sultan Zainul Abedin of Kashmir (1417-67):”the main object of levying the jizyah on them is their humiliation…God established jizyah for their dishonor. The object is their humiliation and the establishment of the the prestige and dignity of the Muslims.”
– from Sufi scholar Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624): “The honour of Islam lies in INSULTING kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to HUMILIATE them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain TERRIFIED and TREMBLING. It is intended to hold them under CONTEMPT and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.”
-“Jadunath Sarkar, “The Islamic State Church in India,” History of Arungazeb, vol 3l Northern India, 1658-1681 pp 283-97. The scholar K. S. Lal records this translation “and should the collector choose to spit into his mouth, opens the same without hesitation, so that the official may spit into it.” Lal further notes that “actual spitting in the mouth of the non-Muslims was not uncommon.” Lal cites a poem by Vijaya Gupta (1493-1519 CE) which includes the line, “The peons employed by the qazi tore away the sacred thread of he Brahmins and spat saliva in their mouths,” From Theory and practice of Muslim State in India, pp. 238-39n 124 as quoted on page 111 of The Legacy of Jihad, edited Andrew Bostom.
-Shafi jurist an-Nawawi: “The infidel who wishes to pay his poll-tax must be treated with disdain by the
collector; the collector remains seated and the infidel standing in front of him, his head bowed and his back bent. The infidel personally must place the money on the scales, while the collector holds him by the beard, and strikes
him on both cheeks.” [ SALAH ALI, YOU SEE, THE MUSLIM IS EXPECTED TO STRIKE THE UNBELIEVERS ON BOTH CHEEKS TO HUMILIATE HIM. COMPARE THIS WITH
JESUS’ INSTRUCTION TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. I HAVE KNOWN MUSLIMS TO SAY THIS IS COWARDICE INSTEAD OF APPRECIATING THE INTENTION BEHIND IT]
kuriakose says
Thank you Mortimer. These references are invaluable. But in spite of the mountains of evidence, the lying muhameddans stiil perpetuate the lie that jizyah is a “small tax”. And plenty of western apologists echo that.
mortimer says
Kuri, CHALLENGE THEM. Refute them. Expose them. Enlighten them. Deprogram them.
gravenimage says
+1
KJW says
It’s pretty pathetic that people find honor and dignity in subjecting others to awful and humiliating treatment. Apparently it wasn’t enough just to be in power.
In “Answer to the Dhimmi” the Muslim author then in Egypt said that one point the Christians, having gained favor for their secretarial and scribe skills (as well as Jews) had started wearing nice clothes and were sort of flaunting and the people cried and wailed over this. Imagine having your pride hurt because other people are not acting like subjugated dogs. If one’s self-worth, ego, and sense of superiority requires subjugating people in the hideous ways they did rather than intelligence, creating things, good work, etc., it’s no wonder Islam’s pathology persists. Muhammad didn’t create anything-he stole other people’s things. I doubt he had much of a conscience.
The author said that the Jews had to wear 4 pounds of camel skin around their necks and the Christians wood. Someone here had posted this link where Robert had a quote from. An interesting read. I doubt most Muslims know this history, but I’ve heard some imams and clerics talk about it on videos.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/593747?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
The above reminded me of Palestinians crying when Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem. I don’t hear Muslims talk much about how non-Muslims in Islamic countries. Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Nigeria, South Sudan…
Joan White says
Mohammed had a DEFORMED conscience, apparently.
gravenimage says
Good post.
Wellington says
Wherever Islam predominates there will be set up a Jim Crow system based not on race but on belief. Islam is a GUARANTEE of non-equality under the law (Sura 9:29 being just one example of said contention). For this reason alone, Islam should be scorned by humanity at large, and certainly by the West, which civilization pioneered over the centuries equality under the law more so than any other civilization in history, as well as the capacity to apologize for past wrongdoings, something that the Islamic world has NEVER DONE (and so many other worlds too have never done like the American Indian world, the Asian world and the sub-Saharan African world—yes, in our idiotic PC/MC age only the West can be wrong even though the West is the greatest civilization, by far, many times over actually, of any civilization in history; yeah, welcome to our age, the Age of Nonsense).
But now many foolish, powerful leaders in the West, like the previous American President, the current Prime Ministers of the UK and Canada, and the present Pope, are all for Islam and call anyone who questions this faith a bigot. Ah, the bigotry, as well as the stupidity and danger, lies first and foremost with these dhimmi fools because exculpation of evil is even worse than evil itself.
And Islam is clearly evil—many times over. And dhimmi defense of Islam is exculpation of this particular iniquity. And said iniquity is not just malevolent because of its call for Muslims to lord over non-Muslims in this world (as exampled by Sura 3:110 which calls Muslims ‘the best of peoples”), but for sundry other reasons, two other of them being the call by Islam to this day, yes to this very day, and as upheld by every major school of Islamic theology, both Sunni or Shiite, for death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape.
Islam is putrid. And so is any defense of Islam. No exceptions. None.
gravenimage says
Good post, Wellington.
commonsense says
Sadly, our president, it has been reported, will hold an Iftar dinner at the White House this year. I have contacted one of Trump’s advisors, Sebastian Gorka, requesting that he recommend cancelling the event. I am not optimistic.
Budvarakbar says
That is aMAJOR break with his base. Where were the Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter WH dinners with members of Congress, Christian clergy and reps from FOREIGN countries?? All I remember is the turkey pardoning, Christmas tree lighting and Easter egg roll —
KJW says
Did you really think Trump would be different with Saudi money, the ISNA, et al breathing down their necks and bullying? The Republicans have been no better on this issue as they are as greedy and lobbied as the Democrats. Nobody has the balls to put their foot down and do what’s right and best. They are letting themselves be as humiliated and selling the US down the river. There are no Brinks trucks in funeral processions.
Wellington says
KJW: I understand your point but Trump is a major step in the right direction. Look at how he has cancelled the awful Iran deal made by Obama. He also did what previous Presidents only gave lip service to, i.e., moving the American Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. There also can be no doubt that Israel has much greater support under Trump than under Obama—or even under Bush 43 for that matter. Nor does Trump ever apologize for America as Obama did regularly. Yes, there is still a long way to go and I look forward to the day when a new Evil Empire speech is given by an American President, this time singling out the many iniquities of Islam as opposed to those of Communism, but to assert that Trump is no different from previous Presidents simply does not accord with the facts. Also, however worthy the Republican Party is of criticism, it is still better than the Democratic Party which has become an abject apologist for Islam. Remember, various state legislatures (examples being those of Tennessee and Oklahoma) have taken measures to curtail application of Sharia and such measures have been virtually without exception put forth and voted for by Republicans.
gravenimage says
Trump is far from perfect, but has been *much* better than his predecessors.
Jenny H says
Wellington,
I assume muslims would find in impossible to apologise for their historical acts because they were in accord with Islam’s theology. There would be nothing wrong with, for example, slavery (except enslaving muslims, I assume), because in their religion they are slaves of Allah, with absolutely no right to question the theology. Also, Mohammed, that perfect example of human behaviour endorsed it.
How could they possibly apologise for something of which Allah and Mohammed both approved.
I don’t know a lot about Justin Trudeau except what I’m read here, but it’s quite probable he’s converted to Islam. I also believe Theresa May is too afraid of losing the muslim vote, and of violent protests by muslims, too indoctrinated with unexamined pro-Islam ideas and too compromised by Middle-Eastern oil money to protect the UK from the invasion of Islam.
gravenimage says
“It was decided that none of these infidels would escape measures taken to maintain them in a state of humiliation”
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Yes–this is what dhimmitude and the Jizya are for. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
Indeed, gravenimage. Wherever Islam reigns, humiliation (or worse) for non-Muslims follows, the mendacious rot about medieval Spain being an oasis of tolerance due to Islam notwithstanding.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Wellington.
Terry Gain says
This sounds bad but I am sure Nour and Lebel will be along to provide an explanation. If not perhaps we can count on Ibrahim Itace for another one of his unhinged insults for comedic relief.
Wellington says
Ironically, it could be said, Terry Gain, especially for those who are Christian, that the three you mentioned above serve as a “different” kind of trinity.
Terry Gain says
🙂
Phil Copson says
Where exactly is the “prestige”, “dignity”, and “honour” in living on stolen money ?
Still, it gives them something in common with the Western political classes…
Lydia Church says
“In this manner was Islam exalted and infidelity humiliated, and nothing is more praiseworthy in the eyes of Allah.”
He could not be more mistaken. Being persecuted for being a Christian is an honor and not a shame. Jesus who is God the Son said that they would persecute us as they did Him. As we see….
islam is humiliated because it is infidelity to God (the true God) and it serves the devil, as we see…. Christianity is exalted because we honor God by not denying Him under persecution. Nothing is more praiseworthy in the sight of the true God; Jesus, as things like the destruction of islam and all forms of evil from the devil (allah), and His Church living loyally for Him no matter what. The victory is His already, persecution will come as He said; until He establishes His Kingdom in His timing. islam will be crushed totally as will all evil at that time. But we are victorious by our loyalty to Jesus under all circumstances, not by physical success.
dumbledoresarmy says
Mark Durie’s book on the dhimma system, “The Third Choice’, makes for chilling reading. Because the ultimate aim of the dhimma system is to *kill the soul*, break the spirit, of the Dhimmis, so that their Muslim overlords can bully them and abuse them and rape them and rob them blind and kick them and spit on them and generally treat them like *sh*t*, for *fun*, cruel fun, with absolute and utter impunity, because the terrorised, broken-spirited, near-catatonic victims no longer utter so much as a whimper of protest. The Dhimma system is about extortion, but it is about an extortion orders of magnitude more cruel than that engaged in by the triads, the yakuza, or the mafia.
The Dhimma system is Abuse codified: it uses *all* the tactics, on the macro scale, that a full-on domestic abuser – or an S & M pimp – uses to ‘break’ their victim and reduce them to a mind-shattered thing that no longer resists or complains or tries to escape, no matter how vicious the abuse (and Muslim men who marry infidel females or indeed, Muslim males with their own, display all those same markers of the severe abuser).
The more one knows about the Dhimma system and how it works – and how it informs the practice of many, many Muslims, in most Muslim lands, toward powerless non-Muslim minorities in those lands – the more one wants to vomit whenever one is exposed the whining, squealing muslim pantomime of victimhood, and hears Muslim spokespeople going on and on about how they are so ‘oppressed’ and how awful it is to endure the ‘Islamophobia’ in western countries.
Islam – and Muslims, the Ummah, the Allah Gang or Mohammedan Mob – in its malignant narcissism and megalomania fit to a T the definition of barbarism given by G K Chesterton in an essay written back in 1915. In that essay (which was skewering Prussian supremacism) Chesterton states that the true barbarian “laughs when he hurts you, but HOWLS when *you* hurt *him*”.
Delenda est Islamia.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
Wellington says
Seconded.
Johm says
When I read the Quran in English , it was perhaps the dumbest book I ever read ! It sounded like it was written by a 5 th grader. Islam is a geopolitical system and not a religion at all. These idiotic politionns have been overcome by a shadow person and controlled by this shadow person. That is why the make the decisions they do. I was in Iran for 7 years and shadow people exist there too. They pozess these people and make people do things they would not normally do. They even think they are good spirits when they are not. They even mimic diseaseies such as MS and locima . They have different color eyes and they talk to you through telepathy. Run from them . Do not even entertain they. They will pozess you if you do. Islam is a vile and discussing fake relidgion from hell it self. Every thing in the Quran is the opposite of the Bible says. Do you think Gaberial the angle lies ? He doesn’t ! Why would he say one thing in the Bible and another in the Quran ? He doesn’t . These people have been deceived and will be going to hell where Mohammad is now many who have had out of body experiences have testisifed he is there ! Why would Abraham and Ishmael build the cabba when they were Hebrew not Arabic at all. In addition they would have to be over 1000 years old ? It’s because they were never there ! It was a pile of sand at that time ! So you see, the Quran it self is full of lies ! Satan is the Author of all lies not Gaberial ! Get out of Islam while you still can ! When Jesus comes back it’s all over. He is the King of Kings and Lord of lords !
Johm says
Posess
gravenimage says
A very evil 5th grader…
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Mr Spencer, this is also fictitious story. in Hadith Qudsi prophet muhammad reported Allah saying he who oppresses à dhimmi has declared war against Allah. How can you expect muslim rulers to maltreat dhimmis ? Mr Spencer ,such lies against muslims and islam cannot help your hate Propaganda campaigns against muslims.
Johm says
They do it anyway ! This is not a secret ! They do it anyway !
gravenimage says
The foul Ibrahim itace muhammed wrote:
Mr Spencer, this is also fictitious story. in Hadith Qudsi prophet muhammad reported Allah saying he who oppresses à dhimmi has declared war against Allah.
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Of course, the Hadith says no such thing. One Hadith says that Muslims are not supposed to murder a dhimmi without permission from their rulers–because he is a source of income to his Islamic conquerors. But no Muslim can be executed for murdering a dhimmi, so this is not much of a deterrent.
But the abuse of dhimmis is the whole point–it is intended to humiliate any surviving Infidels in the Islamic state. Here is the Pact of Umar, which lays out the second class citizenship of Kuffar under Islam:
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/pact-umar.asp
More:
How can you expect muslim rulers to maltreat dhimmis ? Mr Spencer ,such lies against muslims and islam cannot help your hate Propaganda campaigns against muslims.
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Note that Ibrahim itace muhammed has himself said that no Infidel may be allowed to criticize Islam, that they can be raped and used as sex slaves, that they can have all their goods seized by Muslims, and that they can be murdered if they do not submit to Islam.
He does not consider any of this maltreatment–this is what he has in store for all of us if Muslims are ever in a position of power in the West.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
you are just an ignorant fool, can PACT umar supersede Hadith Qudsi (from God in the wording of prophet). PACT of Umar is not unanimously accepted by muslim jurists ,because It contradict this Hadith Qudsi.
Ashley says
The only ignorant fool here is you, Ibrahim.
Your ramblings, like Islam, make no sense.
Susan B. says
IBRAHIM – Two very important mistakes in your posted comment: one, mohammad was not a prophet, rapist and mass murdering psychopaths are not endorsed by God. Two allah is mohammad, not God. Just some points to help you with any future comments. Your welcome.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Susan b, an entity you Call holy spirit is exactly the Satan in yahweh and his wife Ashera hero gods. you and your Satan god Will be casted into hottest lake of hellfire burning forever.
jayell says
Mr Muhammed, Will you please give us details of the matrimonial circumstances of the Jewish God Yahweh, and tell us more about his wife Ashera, because no experts in my part of the world seem to know anything about this. Likewise, could you please explain how the persons of Satan and Yahweh are somehow merged with the consequent manifestation of a ‘Holy Spirit’, since it is generally believed in my part of the world that there is no connection between the latter and the former two entities.
Susan B. says
IBRAHIM – give up, islam is a cult that is raping and murdering to appease some female hating blood thirsty pagan moon god. Your sick god is so insecure he commands his brainwashed minions to murder all who refuse to bow down to him. Your sick god is so insecure he demands that anyone that dares to leave his cult must be killed. You can’t defend your BS cult so all you can do is deflect from the evil of islam. It is truth that will be the death of islam, islam is a lie built on lies and it is truth that will destroy it. God is watching and allah’s days are numbered.
Now try to say something intelligent for a change. Your ramblings like brainwashed moron is not working for you.
Johm says
Alaxander the Great did not worship Islam ! It did not exist at that time . So how could he sacrifice to Allah ? He did not . These were Greek gods he worshiped . He did not worship Allah but it is a lie in the Quran ! The son does not set on merkey water and people do not live there ! It is just another lie. The father of all lies , Satan ! The earth does not sit on the back of a wale ‘ Do the astronauts see a whale out there ? No they do not ! There are not 7 earths out there either or flat like a carpet and piled on top of each other! These are lies and will always be lies! The kingdom of heaven is not protected by two big goats ! Rather Angels do this Not goats ! Another lie ! Mohammad never flew to heaven on a donkey. His wife said he never left the bed room ! Moses would have nothing to do with Mohammad ! The difference is like Day and night ! Another lie ! The Quran is full of lies and anyone who follows it as been possessed . Or really stupid people ! Gullible and led by the nose !
Wellington says
John: Just for the record and all that. Islam appropriates so much. One of the things it has appropriated is all religion.
You see, according to Islamthink, Islam is the OLDEST religion on earth and all religions since Islam was established at the beginning of human history have distorted this pure, wonderful, perfect religion. Yes, per Islamthink, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, et al. are just distortions of the true, perfect and first religion, i.e. Islam.
This is why Islam claims Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, most certainly Jesus, as all good Muslims whose message got terribly distorted by such bad people as Jews and Christians before the last and greatest of the prophets (profits?), Mohammed, came and set things straight. It’s all rot on Islam’s part of course but it is imperative that as much knowledge of this warped creed be known by non-Muslims all the better to refute its many aberrancies, “acquisitions,” and other parasitic and, in general, stupid shit that Islam asserts.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge of all the crap Islam asserts only makes for a stronger case against this worst religion of all time. May Allah strike me dead tonight if I got this wrong. Be back soon.
gravenimage says
Good posts, John and Wellington.