Ramadan Day 21 thought for the day from my new book The History of Jihad: in the early twelfth century, the Fatimid caliph Al-Amir bi-Ahkamillah issued this edict:
Now, the prior degradation of the infidels in this world before the life to come—where it is their lot—is considered an act of piety; and the imposition of their poll tax [jizya], “until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled” (Koran 9:29) is a divinely ordained obligation….The dhimmi’s payment of his dues by a bill drawn on a Muslim, or by delegating a real believer to pay it in his name will not be tolerated. It must be exacted from him directly in order to vilify and humiliate him, so that Islam and its people may be exalted and the race of infidels brought low. The jizya is to be imposed on all of them in full, without exception.
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mortimer says
JB overgeneralizes that all Muslims ‘insult others and kill’ and have no decency. This is an unfair character assassination on all Muslims and it is not accurate. I have no problem with someone criticizing Sharia law, but JB has not taken the time to read Islam’s primary source texts or Sharia manuals or commentaries. JB is incapable of making an argument with references and merely makes slanderous unsupported claims. Making such inaccurate overgeneralizations about Muslims can only make the counterjihad look unprepared, foolish, loutish and presumptuous. Such inaccurate, presumptuous overstatements and rage-filled rantings do no good whatsoever.
mortimer says
JB, by all means criticize the doctrines of Islam, but you have not studied them and so you take the LAZY MAN’S approach by mocking Muslims. This is unfair overgeneralization and loutish.
Infidel says
What is happening to U Motimer…Been attending any Daawaah shops?? Why are U apologizing for those that seek to destroy U and Ur people. I’m sorry I disagree with U. JW does not do any generalizations…. All that RS says is based on hard cold facts..
mortimer says
Infidel, loutish overgeneralization is inaccurate and makes the counterjihad appear to be unstudied, spontaneous, incautious … a bunch of unprepared Archie Bunkers or worse.
You are unstudied too, it seems.
Isabella says
Is it possible we have more than one Mortimer on KW?
gravenimage says
Isabella, this is the same poster. Very knowledgeable about Islam–laudibly so–but at the same time terribly upset that anyone might say anything critical of Muslims themselves.
He also believes that Muslims can–somehow–be “deprogrammed” so that Islam is not really a problem. I wish this could happen–but it never has, and there is no reason to suppose that Muslims would suddenly decide to listen to those whom they despise.
JawsV says
mort: When someone makes a general statement and does not say ALL, it is assumed that they mean some.
You need to remember that.
Mark Swan says
Mortimer,
Pouring over Islam’s gibberish can affect any same mind—
maybe you need to be less studious for sometime and see
if this remedies what is ailing you here.
You and Jay Boo, are both, respected and appreciated posters here.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Mark.
Mark Swan says
Thank you gravenimage.
Carol the 1st says
Mortimer’s “INFIDEL, loutish generalization…” had me worried for a minute – but I see he’s replying to Infidel, so that’s a relief!
Andy says
‘Stop Soros’ Law!!!& Political Correctness and Leftism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLNbOhC0vpE
gravenimage says
Mortimer, it is true that some Muslims behave decently–but only those who are lax or reject the tenets of Islam.
Jay Boo asked if you would criticize “Muslims who hate us and spout sharia”, and I see that you will not do so. Criticizing Islam itself is great–but I do not believe it to be “loutish” to criticize Muslims like the brutal and totalitarian one in the story above. Why do you think so?
And Muslims who adhere to the vicious diktats of Islam *should* be mocked. Robert Spencer does so, as does his colleague David Wood.
There is nothing lazy or ignorant about mocking evil. I believe it *should* be mocked.
Lydia Church says
Will you two PLEASE stop? It is making JW look like a playground full of pathetic kindergarten fighting!
No one is right 100% of the time anyway, but it’s past the point so just let it go.
Andy says
Why we should worry about the Islamic radicals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zuUXSc0_7s
IanB says
I agree with Lydia. Pack it in you two.
Lori says
I’ve read the Islamic scriptures & much of 4 schools of Sunni jurisprudence (& some of the 3 of Shia) etc. I know that most Muslims, especially Westernized Muslims, are extremely ignorant of Islams true doctrines and they are much better people than their prophet & religion, but sadly their ignorance is aiding “radical” Islam & The Muslim Brotherhood’s goal to submit the World to Shariah. If they are successful, many so called moderate Muslims will be in trouble along with the Kufar, so we need to try to wake them up as well…I’m confused about your critique of JB? You disagree with what he said or you just don’t like him because he learned things from someone else instead of reading primary sources for himself?
Carol the 1st says
Allow me to interrupt this spat about bashing techniques by informing everyone that KATHLEEN WYNNE has just resigned as Liberal Leader of Ontario. Scoreboard below shows PC 74; NDP 40; Liberal 7; Green 1.
Berengaria says
We Americans & all other Citizens of Western Civilized Countries, are now actually paying Jizya to to Rabid Muslim
Animals. Our Taxes, forcibly confiscated from us, are used to pay for the importation & maintenance of Government Approved & Protected Stinkers of Islam.
Remember that Muslims will not voluntarily commit to Physical Labor, so they always live off of their Host Populations. Ah, but they will gladly take over the Host’s Government, if they are appointed by a Dhimmi BigWig! They’re still “Skittish” of seeking Votes from the Legitimate Citizens of a Subjugated Country!
Carol the 1st says
The video Andy posted above regarding ‘The Silent Majority’ went really well with Brigitte Gabriel responding to a muslima’s worried concerns in regard to misunderstood non-bombers and non-stabbers of the ‘religion of peace’. The questioner was an unusual muslim as she actually showed some signs of concession at the end. Brigitte is that good!!
Bob Carrillo says
In Minnesota, we have seen this recently come to the surface, finally, to the tune of between $100 Million Dollars to $200 Million dollars ANNUALLY stolen from the State of Minnesota, per the phony Day Care Billing scam, and an undisclosed $$$$ of Millions more EACH YEAR connected to massive and wide-spread Medicaid Fraud – Welfare and Food Stamp Fraud – Auto Insurance Claim scam and FRAUD, Cash in Suitcases caught at MSP Airport, being sent to terrorists in Somalia Scandal, and so on, and on, and on, and on it goes…
Irony? These people ONLY represent 2% of our population in Minnesota..
Don’t be surprised, if the TAB to Minnesota Taxpayers, reaches half a Billion Dollars annually or MORE, of JIZYA here in the land of “Minnesota (stupid) Nice”, and Minnesota corrupt..
They (Master “Grifters”) see us as justifiable “marks” per their BOOK in this “sting”, and WE are the infidel (non-Muslim) suckers..
1400 years, AND COUNTING, of this pattern of historically painful anti-societal behavior, and destruction (Taqiyya), and one would THINK that WE would get the message by now..
AUDIT ALL SOCIAL SERVICES PROGRAMS IN MINNESOTA NOW! Then, jail or deport every one of the culprits, or those who knowingly aided and abetted this scum..
J D S says
That’s what they do……everything concerning Islam is ILLEGAL
And all the government’s of the west thinks “ILLEGAL” is just a Sick bird….. an “ill eagle”….And does nothing to shut down an illegal organization….Islam…. We have met the enemy face to face ….and WE ARE IT! AND THE WORLD STANDS STILL!!!
mortimer says
Humiliation is a key part of Koran 9:29. That verse is the KEY VERSE and arguably it is the TURNING POINT VERSE of the entire Koran in which Mohammed instructs Muslims to make themselves wealthy through bigoted attacks upon and theft from disbelievers.
Muslims are actually instructed to attack and then extort money from helpless victims. Victims are selected by religion. This is nothing but bigotry combined with violence.
Koran 9:29 is the ethical code of a criminal organization.
The intention of the humiliation is to coerce non-Muslims to join Islam in order to find RELIEF from the violent PERSECUTION directed against them by Muslims.
boakai ngombu says
the “willingness” to submit, albeit. broken
melek-ric says
Yes, and that’s why Islam will not long be satisfied with extracting jizya from the Kuffar by means of fraud and deceit. The Kafir must understand his inferior status, feel humiliated and hand over the jizya in person with willing submission. If the Kuffar don’t realize that they’re paying the jizya and don’t feel humiliated, that largely defeats the purpose other than to fund jihad. The humiliation is ordained by Allah, therefore it’s a mandatory component of the whole exercise.
The more influential Shari’a law becomes in Western nations, the more transparent and humiliating our jizya payments (of all types) will become. That’s why that Australian Muslim who runs the country’s Halal certification scheme takes such pains to publicly gloat over the fact that Australian non-Muslims are all unknowingly eating Halal; he wants and needs for us to recognize our humiliation and degradation under Islamic law.
gravenimage says
All true, Mortimer.
Linda says
A large percentage of those people holding “Islam will dominate the world. Freedom can go to hell.” signs, don’t work. They’re on welfare provided by the infidel state. They can only hold protests like that because they’re in freed infidel countries. Somehow it all seems very ironic. They need a good strong dose of reality.
melek-ric says
Actually, they need a good strong dose of tear gas…
Linda says
Or maybe something more lethal.
gravenimage says
True, Linda. But Muslims have *always* believed they have the right to live off the “filthy Infidels”.
Linda says
That belief makes them nothing more than historical parasites.
gravenimage says
*Exactly*, Linda. But Muslims believe this parasitism makes them “the best of peoples”. *Ugh*.
Infidel says
Here in India, Muslims have been instructed by their clergy NOT TO BUY FROM HINDU SHOPS during RAMZAN..
gravenimage says
Disgusting, Infidel. I’m hardly shocked, though.
boakai ngombu says
“… the race of infidels brought low….”
dehumanization of every nonbeliever and even the adherent.
Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) restores the lost image of God in the descendants of Adam through His Anointed, Jesus. such restoration returns humans to RIGHTEOUSNESS when the work of the Anointed One is believed.
however, Islam (a failed religion) removes such hope, which is found in Holy Absolution bestowed upon the faithful for the sake of the Anointed One, Jesus.
islam – through tyranny – denigrates even the adherent, the muslim (enslaved to the allah god of islam) deceived through false expectations..
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
jay Boo, 40 days fasting Is prescribed in your mithraist Bible and jesus did it. why mithraist christians do not observe It. It means it is mithraist filthy christianity which is a Big “JOKE” being inspired by the Satan you Call holy spirit. Idiots !!
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Jay Boo, your worship of singing, dancing and clapping for the Satan turns you wicked and morally bankrupt having indiscriminate sex líke beasts, genocidal killings and deprivations of other nations to steal their wealths,because your mithraist christianity was inspired by the Satan the father of all evils.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, can you provide me with the passage from the Bible that prescribes 40 days of fasting for every follower of Christ? I know it says that Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights in the desert (Matthew 4:2) but I can’t find where it says everybody should do the same. It is quite a feat to go that long without eating something. I’m sure Jesus must have had water; that long without water would kill a normal human being. Also, that long without food would leave a normal person on the verge of death if not actually dead. But Jesus had a strength of will that was more than just “normal.” So I don’t think Jesus expected his followers to do this every year because He did it only once Himself and didn’t tell others to do it.
As for Muslims fasting during Ramadan, Muslims do NOT fast for 40 days and 40 nights. They fast for the daylight hours and then break their fast by eating and drinking as much as they can hold and then starting their fast again when the sun comes up. It’s a series of 40 short fasts and not one long continuous fast. Muhammad may have started fasting while he was in the desert, like Jesus, but how difficult is it to rearrange your schedule so that you sleep during the day and eat during the night, especially when you live in the desert and support yourself by raiding and stealing from “infidels” like an outlaw. The Bible makes no mention of Jesus breaking His fast at night. Muhammad’s fast was nothing compared to the fast of Jesus.
I think it would be more pleasing to God to pick a certain item or practice in your life which you enjoy every day and then choose to avoid it for 40 days and 40 nights continuously. If you like coffee every morning for breakfast, give it up; if you like dessert after supper in the evening, don’t have it. I think that would be pleasing to God and would be something that could be done straight through without cheating during the night … and it could be done without anyone else knowing about it or forcing others to be “considerate” of you or pity you. Ramadan is just one big pity party for the Muslims and we, the “infidels” are supposed to be “considerate” of them doing something that should be voluntary for them. What hypocrites they are. Do your fasting alone and in solitude as Jesus did and don’t break it every night. That is something that would actually be more pleasing to God.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
Cogitoergosum, but today some mithraist christians have been telling us that they observe these 40 days fasting in compliance with Matthew 4:2? Are they wrong ?
gravenimage says
Of course, Matthew 4:2 describes something Jesus himself did. There is no demand that all Christians themselves do this.
Besides, Ibrahim itace muhammed always claims–as do all pious Muslims–that Jews and Christians have “corrupted” the Bible–yet he claims that if Christians are not (supposedly) adhering to every diktat of their faith that Muslims have the right to abuse and oppress them.
But persecution like Jizya have nothing to do with Jews and Christians are devout or not–it is imposed on them for not having become “slaves of Allah”.
CogitoErgoSum says
Ibrahim, there may be some Christians who try to go without eating for 40 days and nights but I personally don’t know of anyone who has. It’s very dangerous. You can follow the link I have below to read about a woman who survived being stranded in the wilderness for 48 days and living only on trail mix, candy and water from a stream. She was nearly dead when found. Mahatma Ganhdi lived after 21 days of nothing but water and he was near death. Some people, like Jesus, may be able to go for 40 days and 40 nights without food but it would be very exceptional for that person not to be near death at the end of the fasting period. No Christians I know boast of being able to do such a thing and if they did, yes, I think they would be wrong for their boasting about it. Fasting is not supposed to be a public spectacle. The few who actually do it most likely do it in a manner known only to them and to God because to boast of it would negate the spiritual good of it.
http://blogs.plos.org/obesitypanacea/2011/05/13/the-science-of-starvation-how-long-can-humans-survive-without-food-or-water/
PRCS says
Interesting story. Thanks for the link.
jayell says
Mr. Muhammed,
I really wish that you would explain the connection between the first century cult of Mithras and Christianity, because no one else (including eminent scholars) have the faintest clue what you keep going on about. And whilst Jesus spent 40 days in the desert (we are told), that was apparently his own personal decision and he never prescribed this sort of thing for his disciples; on the contrary, he preached against any kind of ostentatious show of ‘piety’. So, whilst Christians might privately give something up for Lent, the practice of fasting over an extended period purely for the sake of it (which is medically dubious and induces dyspraxic incompetence) is not compatible with life in a 21st. century developed society.
Several other things you say are somewhat odd or frankly ridiculous. No one in the West ‘worships’ singing or dancing, although I can understand that you might express an aversion to these activities because islamic standards in these things are usually quite appalling. For example, I have had the dubious pleasure of witnessing a ‘Call to Prayer’ in a northern English town, amplified to obscene levels, that frankly resembled the sound-track to a commercial advertisement for a dyspepsia product; and I recently viewed a televised performance of what must have been some kind traditional islamic music performed by what was no doubt supposed to be a ‘good’ islamic women’s choir from (I presume) somewhere in North Africa, in which the solo singer sang a very tedious, incessant, unstructured monophonic piece with a poor vocal technique, accompanied by a chorus of about 16 other women sitting motionless like sacks of potatoes on a semi-circle of chairs on either side of the soloist, and who simply contributed the occasional isolated phrase in the background (but apparently were unable to remember their material because they had to consult bits of paper in their hands which they flapped around in a most unprofessional way). So if that’s supposed to be the summit of islamic musical achievement……oh dear!
Finally, I find it totally incomprehensible that you inappropriately accuse others of indulging in the kinds of obscene sexual profanity that we all know from media reports are routinely practised by muslims because these things are actually prescribed or mandated in islamic texts. You must be aware of this; kindly do not project your own obscenities onto others.
gravenimage says
Firstly, of course, Ibrahim itace muhammed is woefully ignorant about Christianity. Many Christians do give up something for Lent–meat on some days, for instance, is the most common. When I was a child, most of the Catholic children in my school gave up something–a favorite candy, perhaps, or a tv show–for all 40 days.
But Lent has never been a general fast for the entire period. Some Christians have done this, of course, but there has never been a doctrinal demand that Christians fast for the whole of Lent. For many, of course, this would represent a serious health hazard, and would lead to death in many cases (Ibraham itace muhammed would see that as a plus, of course).
And I see that he is–once again–incensed that some Christians sing, dance, or clap while worshipping God.
He much prefers Muslims raping children and slaughtering Infidels as being pleasing to “Allah”, of course.
Note–no surprise–that he is fine with Muslims robbing and persecuting Christians and other Infidels. There is no full practice of Islam without oppression of non-Muslims.
Ibrahim itace muhammed says
mithraist christianity is just funny and a joke. where have you got the idea of giving up some foods on some days ? From liar Paul the founder of pagan mithraist christianity ? Fools !!
gravenimage says
Of course, fast days in Christianity–and in Judaism–much predate Paul. Really, Ibrahim itace muhammed is, like so many Muslims, shockingly ignorant about Christianity.
But this–as I have noted–is not really the problem. It is that he and his coreligionists oppress, rape, and murder non-Muslims based on this ignorance.
MFritz says
You are NOT a Nigerian and NOT a muslim. You’re using a FAKE account to post PROPAGANDA. You’re a LIAR and a CRIMINAL. Don’t feed the troll!
Carol the 1st says
On what basis do you claim Ibby is not a muslim?
gravenimage says
Some people don’t think that Muslims can really be so evil, and that it has to be a put on.
Gjallarhornet says
What’s wrong with Mithras? Hail Mithras!
Joss says
Ibrahim – what does mithraism have to do with Christianity? Explain, if you please.
gravenimage says
Ibby has also claimed that Jews worship an ancient pagan goddess–he knows nothing about non-Islamic faiths, and just wants to denigrate them so that he and his coreligionists can feel good about abusing Infidels.
alex smythe says
Mithraist….idiots!! Filthy mithaist Christianity…idiots!! Holy Spirit is Satan (sic)!!….idiots!!
For Pete;s sake, dude. where did you learn English, or the art of debate for that matter? If anyone is making himself look like an idiot, it’s you.
Norger says
Which is why it’s a good thing he posts here. It’s illustrative. The whole “Mithraist” Christian, “having sex like beasts” and “producing horrible smells” rant is fairly amusing.
gravenimage says
It is also very instructive. This is how Muslims think.
The European says
It is quite interesting to look more closely at the connection between Islam and organized crime. Take, for example, the Al-Saa’alik. At the times of Muhammad, the Al-Saa’alik were highwaymen, crooks, and outcasts, unscrupulous and ruthless criminals, feared throughout the Arabian Peninsulua and ordinary people called them “the wolves. They were caravan robbers, mercenaries, contract killers and professional thieves. Like Muhammad’s fourth grandfather Qusai and his second grandfather Abd-Al Muttalib, Muhammad allied himself with them. Being newly established at Medina/Yathrib, he offered them protection if they were willing to embrace Islam, he freed those among them who had been slaves, he forgave them their many bloody deeds and allowed them – and even encouraged them- to continue acting as caravan Robbers -but now they would do it for a “higher” cause, for Islam and Muhammad.
Muhammad made good use of their fighting power, adopted their organizational structure as a kind of brotherhood, introduced punishments like the chopping off of legs and arms ( which were customary among the Al-Saa’alik), and even for the distribution of war booty did he use a key which was similar to their customs, whereby -how generous indeed- he only claimed one-fifth of the spoils ( Surah 8,41, called Al-Anfal=the spoils of war) and not one-fourth -as it was usual among the Al-Saa’alik.
Along with the tribes of the Ghefar, the Aos and the Khasradsch, these gangs of robbers and killers were pivotal to the conquest of the Arabian Peninusula by Islam; without their aid, Muhammad would not have been victorious. ( Source: Mohammed, eine Abrechnung, Hamed Abdel-Samad,;Muhammad, a reckoning, by Hamed Abdel-Samad. Unfortunately, his book hasn’t been translated into English yet, but those of you who can read German, should read chapter 3 where Abdel-Samad describes the link between Islam and organized mafia-style crime)
Carol the 1st says
European…I think what you’ve described VERY much needs to be brought to the attention of the common man. It helps us all to read between the lines and truly appreciate what Mohammed (the SOURCE of Islam) was all about. I once heard Canadian Sandra Solomon allude to this slimey history in an interview series with Kevin J. Johnston – but most other commentators concentrate on quoting the Qur’an and so all this illuminating history only lies in the background. It needs a real spotlight put upon it to help non-scholars better deduce the core of the ‘religion’ of peace.
WHY is there no English translation of this book by Hamed Abdel-Samad?? Is it in any languages other than German? French perhaps?
Walter Sieruk says
The reader might ,very much ,notice that with the Islamic mindset the way for Muslims to have “Islam exalted” is not by Muslims doing good works and being nice people but by harshly putting other people down who are not Muslims. This alone should be revealing about that religion.
gravenimage says
+1
overman says
And here it is being applied in Minesota. (God knows how many more places accross the US):
Somalis in Minnesota Steal Millions in Welfare Scam, Money Goes To Terrorists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUL2EoUpmHs&t=3s
gravenimage says
Muslim leader: Collect jizya from the non-Muslim “to vilify and humiliate him, so that Islam may be exalted”
…………………..
More proof–if any were needed–that the Jizya is not simply a tax, but is intended to humiliate and impoverish its victims.
More proof, also, that Islam can not be “exalted” unless non-Muslims are persecuted. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
So true, gravenimage.
Like you, I despise Islam. Frankly, I don’t see how any sensible and informed person can do otherwise.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Wellington.
DHazard says
I know vulgarity is kept down on this site but really, “Jizya”. I think this proves Islam is for real. How could Allah know, centuries in advance, how the word jizya would sound to many, if not most, English speaking adults? Is this Allah having a dirty little joke when he knows most Muslims don’t believe in humor?
John Trion says
I think if all Americans read this site we would have fewer problems with Muslims in Minnesota. Share the truth with your neighbors.
Lydia Church says
It does not exalt islam, it shames it and shows it for the evil that it is.
Wellington says
Seconded.
gravenimage says
So agree.
IanB says
That’s reaction of any morally decent human being. Islam is immoral and indecent. In extremis.
gravenimage says
No surprise there. Trump never should have given in.
Stephanie Chalmers says
Hang on a mo, Robert. Infidels aren’t a “race”, are they?
duh swami says
Ramadan dinner at the White House=kissing Muslim butt=disgusting…
Carol the 1st says
It should be interesting to see what Trump might say to the diners.
No Fear says
Islam is like the turd that you just can’t flush away, only it has more supremacist stench.
FYI says
Isn’t taking money that is not yours…Stealing?
{“I am the Lord thy God..thou shalt not steal”}
Yet allah seems to be ok with it k9:29/k48:20
It’s funny how allah and his muslims don’t get or obey ANY of the Commandments.
Enforcing a Jizya tax on “infidels” is STEALING.
BC says
The Muslims are the biggest racists in history as they despise all of mankind which is not Muslim
Hogdude says
Islam can go to hell while carrying a pulled pork sandwich.
Rog says
Hi Ibrahim Muhammed,
Your point regards to ‘’ Indiscrinate sex like beasts’’
Mumammad , your messanger .
Your Massanger raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgiv He committed adultery by raping a christian slave girl in the house of one of his many wive’s while she was at the market. This wife comes home and sees what he did and is angry because Muhammad has s many wive’s(more than 10 or so?) and still he is going outside and having sex with other women
Who is sex maniac??? I think you need to think don’t be parrot??
J D S says
Every time I see these signs I think of all those who will burn in the lake of fire because they followed Satan and a whole race has suffered for it.
Carol the 1st says
“race’ doesn’t apply. Islam transcends language, country, race etc.