“Clarity,” really? Not “charity”? The White House website says “clarity,” so that’s that.
Anyway, a jihad group explained Ramadan this way back in 2012: “The month of Ramadan is a month of holy war and death for Allah. It is a month for fighting the enemies of Allah and God’s messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.”
So which is it? Is Ramadan a time of “peace, clarity, and love,” as Trump said last night, or is it a “month of holy war and death for Allah”?
Islam’s core texts make it clear that the latter statement is closer to the truth. During Ramadan, Muslims are exhorted to renew and deepen their devotion to Allah. Hence it is a time when they’re supposed to grow more generous and kind toward their fellow Muslims. However, the Qur’an says: “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves” (48:29). If the Ramadan imperative is to become more devout, the Muslim who applies himself diligently to the Ramadan observance will simultaneously become more both merciful to his fellow Muslims and more severe against the unbelievers.
Throughout the history of Islam, we can see jihad being waged with extra ferocity during Ramadan. In my new book The History of Jihad From Muhammad to ISIS, I recount the harrowing story of the centuries-long and excruciatingly devastating Islamic jihad against India. During Ramadan in 1504, the Delhi sultan Sikandar Lodi, in the words of the contemporary Muslim historian Niamatullah, “raised the standard of war for the reduction of the fort of Mandrail; but the garrison capitulating, and delivering up the citadel, the Sultan ordered the temples and idols to be demolished, and mosques to be constructed.” Then he “moved out on a plundering expedition into the surrounding country, where he butchered many people, took many prisoners, and devoted to utter destruction all the groves and habitations; and after gratifying and honouring himself by this exhibition of holy zeal he returned to his capital Bayana.”
Yes, plundering, butchering, and destroying temples was, as far as Niamatullah was concerned, an “exhibition of holy zeal.” Murdering infidels doesn’t contradict the spirit of Ramadan; it embodies it. Trump’s statement is a dispiriting reiteration of the fantasies that prevailed in Washington during the three administrations (at least) that preceded his.
“‘Ramadan Mubarak’ — Donald Trump Welcomes Muslims to the White House for Iftar Dinner,” by Charlie Spiering, Breitbart, June 6, 2018:
President Donald Trump hosted an Iftar Dinner at the White House on Wednesday in honor of the Muslim feast of Ramadan.
“To each of you and to the Muslims around the world, Ramadan Mubarak,” Trump said, during remarks at the dinner, extending the Ramadan greeting shared by Muslims. “In gathering together this evening we honor a sacred tradition of one of the world’s great religions.”…
In the first year of his presidency, Trump broke the tradition of hosting an Iftar dinner at the White House, started by President Bill Clinton. But this year, the White House restored the tradition….
Trump pointed to the “timeless message of peace, clarity, and love” that occurred during the month of Ramadan, urging all Americans to strive to achieve these values.
He recalled that the first state visit of his presidency was to Saudi Arabia, calling it “one of the most fabulous times” of his presidency.
“Let us pray for peace and justice and let us resolve that these values will guide us as we work together to build a bright and prosperous future that does honor and glory to God,” he said.
mike9a says
“timeless message of peace, clarity, and love” why sudden amnesia, mr. president? Oh yeah, clarity it is: one disagree with mos and they lovingly and peacefully kill you for that. What a heck is going on?
Sun says
Yesterday, a 14 year old Jewish girl was found dead in Germany. She was brutally raped and murdered by ‘force against her neck’. Euphemism for ‘slit her throat’?
Again, the suspects are 2 men of the ‘religion of peace, clarity and love’. One Turk is in custody, an Iraqi man could flee the country with his entire family of eight – back to the country they not long ago escaped to apply for asylum in Europe.
Many regions of Europe are lost. I dearly hope that Mr. Trump understands the danger of Islam.
Dave says
Its sickening . He may think it will help improve relations with jihadi nations, it will not
Dave says
Last year too he had dumb message http://tiny.cc/7w7qsy
He didn’t do the iftar but this year he did both.
JawsV says
I’m done with Trump. DONE.
WESTPAC Spy says
Am I done with Trump? No! There’s a reason you have a toolbox, One tool doesn’t work all the time. So you need many. We only have one Savior. Did any of you mistake PDJT for that Savior? I didn’t. Pick yourselves up, dust yourselves off and learn the lesson. Like my dad, the sainted Senior Chief taught me me. They’re all just f***ing politicians. They all disappoint, Get over it.
gravenimage says
Jaws, he’s still better than the alternative would have been.
Write the White House–educate him. Keep at it.
tim gallagher says
I share the disappointment of Dave, JawsV, et al. My reaction to this report is that the only actual leaders of nations in the western world (well, Central European) who seem to tell the unvarnished truth about Islam’s barbaric nature are the leaders of Hungary, the Czech Republic and Poland. Of course, Trump has a more important job than them. I believe everyone should be waking up and telling the truth about Islam’s vile nature. However, Trump is often tough in relation to Islam and he is generally far better than the other gutless western leaders. I don’t know what this soothing crap is about but I guess being a political leader is a complex job. I just hate seeing people lying about Islam’s true, evil nature. And Ramadan generally just seems to make Muslims even more vicious than they usually are. Trump mostly seems to do a good job but I wish all our leaders would just call Islam what it is, an evil, violent ideology and a constant danger to all non-Muslims everywhere. I don’t think these types of soothing, lying words about Islam get us anywhere in the long run.
JawsV says
Agree, Peter35. I didn’t vote for Trump so he could host an Iftar dinner for our enemies. It’s disgusting. Yes, a betrayal as you say.
Robert Williams says
Yes, I believe Mr Trump is playing with the devil by inviting them into White House. Islam has nothing in common with peace and they are brutal and killers full of hatred if you are non-Muslim.
esther says
the HECK that is going on is—–TRUMP IS A POLTICIAN—–he is acting “COURTLY”—
sheeeeesh—–what d’ya expect him to say?
Savvy Kafir says
The truth would be a refreshing change. And, in the long run, a good strategy.
JawsV says
What the heck is going on?
Trump is an idiot, that’s what. And I voted for him.
souare says
Words are just words. Or just puffs of wind as a linguist once said. Trump has made Muslims enraged with his Jerusalem move and his ripping up of Obama’s Iran nuclear weapons gambit.
Just some soothing words for the Mohammedans.
JawsV says
Words are enormously powerful. Trump should not be “soothing” the Allah-worshippers, our enemies, since Islam’s start date, 622.
christianblood says
Just like all the other White House puppets before him, Trump is now at the service of the “Deep State” pro-Islamist satanistic neocons and they are constantly advising him, among other things, to hate Christians, to love islam, to praise islam and to support the jihadists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3f9mlUQzJA
Baucent says
While your friend Putin snuggles up to the Iranian mullahs and Assad in Syria. Where’s the difference?
gravenimage says
If this video is accurate, then Putin has put on Iftar dinners, as well:
“Amazing iftar given by Russian President”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_di0YF0NDY
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
gravenimage: “If this video is accurate, then Putin has put on Iftar dinners, as well:”
The other day I heard someone quote Putin and the quote went something like this:
“Islam and the Russian Orthodox church have much in common.” And the quote went on to equate the two with examples. I went looking for that citation in order to verify it but could not find it anywhere.
I found this quote very disturbing. What was the most frightening about it was how much it resembled Hitler’s statement about how Islam was better suited for the German people than Christianity. If true, this quote would explain a lot. (And yet it does not take away from the fact that he did save Russia by getting its tax system back on its feet. But still …..)
Sometimes I bemoan the lack of consistency that men and women of power seem to exhibit. But, their power is built up on a scaffolding of compromises. Perhaps Trump needed to say and do this in order to get some backing for, say, funding for the ‘Wall.’ I don’t know.
It may also be Trump’s style of negotiation. I’ve noticed that what he SAYS is all over the map. One day he’ll say that he and such-and-such are best buddies, and the next day he will call such-and-such “scum.” But when it comes to what he DOES, he seems to maintain a very consistent heading. It’s as if his statements are just maneuvers to get to where he wants to go, pushing and pulling the other players in negotiations – maneuvering to a consistent goal.
I see this very clearly in the NAFTA renegotiation. At the beginning, he offered Trudeau a US-Canada bilateral deal. He knew that the two countries have very integrated economies, that both have a more or less equitable trade balance and that both suffered equally from business going abroad and job losses. He knew that Mexico was the big winner in this three way deal and that Mexico needed to have its own US-Mexico deal. But Trudeau didn’t want to hear about it (shame on Trudeau, this deal would have brought the best results for both Americans and Canadians). Trudeau wanted to maintain his “international’ reputation, so he stuck with the three-way deal.
Since that offer, what Trump has said has been all over the map. But again, after months and months of negotiations, Trump comes up with the same offer: a two way deal between Canada and the US. (He seems to know what’s best for Canada better than Trudeau does.) There’s that consistency in what he DOES. I hope I’m right.
christianblood says
Baucent
You must be very sad about the failure of the Saudi and US-backed jihadists to plant their black flag in Damascus and mass-murder Christians! U$A=ISIS
gravenimage says
Yes–I’ve cited that disturbing quote before, Flavius.
gravenimage says
Christianblood, this is ludicrous. Baucent is a staunch Anti-Jihadist here. Where has he *ever* voiced support for Jihadists or the murder of Christians? Citations, please.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
gravenimage says “Yes–I’ve cited that disturbing quote before, Flavius.”
Where can I find it?
gravenimage says
Flavius Claudius Iulianus wrote:
The other day I heard someone quote Putin and the quote went something like this:
“Islam and the Russian Orthodox church have much in common.” And the quote went on to equate the two with examples. I went looking for that citation in order to verify it but could not find it anywhere.
………………….
Sorry, Flavius–the first time I read your post I missed your not being able to find the quote again.
I think this is what you were looking for:
“Putin Says Orthodoxy ‘Closer to Islam than Catholicism Is’”
http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2010/12/window-on-eurasia-putin-says-orthodoxy.html
“During his conversation with the Russian people today, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin cites with approval the conclusion of “certain theoreticians [who] say that [Orthodox Christianity] is much closer to Islam than Catholicism is…”
This is deeply disturbing, and completely misses not just Islam’s savage rejection of Christianity, but also its violent targeting of Christians.
I’ve seen this quote from Putin on other sites as well.
mortimer says
Islam denies 1) peace 2) clarity and 3) love. Who is writing Trumps speech? Was he on drugs when he spoke this?
In fact, Islam promotes the reverse 1) warfare against the kufaar until victory 2) TAQIYYA, the obfuscation of the meaning, motive and methods of jihad and 3) Allah does not love the disbelievers.
The speech was offensively stupid and inaccurate.
JawsV says
Dumb as a box of rocks.
Debi Brand says
“Trump pointed to the ‘timeless message of peace, clarity, and love’ that occurred during the month of Ramadan, urging all Americans to strive to achieve these values.”
Laughable–pathetically so.
Dumber than “doodles”…
christianblood says
Trump is the latest puppet of the satanic, pro-Islamist, Anti-Christ “Deep State” Trotskyites neocon globalists!
gravenimage says
Wait–I thought “Christianblood” thought that Communists were fine because they are–supposedly–pro-Christian?
Traian imperator says
Communists are atheists. They are against all religions and ideologies. The only accepted ideology and religion is communism.
christianblood says
gravenimage
Please understand that communism was not indigenous to Russia and it wasn’t born in Russia, it was born and imported from the West, namely Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAyzbxDMxc
gravenimage says
Christianblood, Communism has never been accepted in the West–it certainly was in Russia for decades, though.
And I noticed–no surprise–that you still did not answer my question.
BC says
Are you sure you mean clarity or is it charity. I always understood Ramadan is about Charity. There is definitely no clarity to be found in Islam except the clarity of death
Carol the 1st says
In the West “Charity” means “Love” as in the familiar “Faith, Hope, and Charity”. In Islam however Charity brings to mind the constant handing out of a pound of flesh de rigueur to terrorists. It’s interesting that our Western three-word phrasing was used but they clearly avoided the word “charity” and its evil connotations. Too easy a target for ridicule perhaps?
gravenimage says
“Charity”–“Zakat”–in Islam is more about funding violent Jihad than actual charity.
J D S says
This may have turned many against Trump even though he has been doing well in his presidency otherwise. I would rather he would not had this dinner it puts cold water on his efforts to stop radical Islamist from entering the USA……Ramadan in the U.S has not shown what it has in other parts of the world. Trump should have been reading JW from the beginning of Ramadan…well may be forever…any way in my sight, sadly, this lowered my respect for him and I will write him telling him so.
Mellany McKenzie says
“Yea, and all that will live godly in
Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”
2 Timothy 3:12
U.S. State Department to Fight Religious Persecution
The U.S. Department of State has recently announced that it will host a summit this summer to allow the U.S. and its allies to focus on the ever growing problem of religious persecution across the globe. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo unveiled the State Department’s annual report on global religious freedom that highlights the religious persecution on such countries as Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea. Pompeo announced the plans for the summit and said, “It will not just be a discussion group. It will be about action. We look forward to identifying concrete ways to push back against persecution and ensure greater respect for religious freedom for all.” This comes as encouraging news to many as a fulfillment of the promise President Trump made on the campaign trail. In turn, the Trump administration has stated they intend to make religious persecution a top priority of its foreign agenda. This is becoming evident as the U.S. has also recently proposed to divert their monetary contributions to the United Nations so that the funds could be sent to countries who are actively fighting with religious persecution such as the struggles with ISIS in Iraq.
Naming Names of Offenders
Putting some traction to this plan requires a clear-cut identification of which countries are the worst offenders in terms of religious persecution. To achieve this, the State Department also re-designated counties include Burma, China, Eritrea, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan as “countries of particular concern.” Also, for only the second time, the State Department created a new designation as it announced its “Special Watch List.” The Special Watch List is meant for countries that engage in or even tolerate violations of religious freedom that do not yet meet the threshold of Countries of Particular Concern. Adding to the seriousness with which members of the administration intend to treat this issue, US Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback is helping to push through a law that he created when he served as a US Kansas senator which would publicly identify the countries participating in – or tolerating – religious persecution and implementing “some type of punishment, such as economic or humanitarian sanctions,” Brownback said. “We must move religious freedom forward,” Brownback urged, “We must defend religious freedom in every corner of the globe. That’s why the secretary is hosting the first ever ministerial on advancing religious freedom.”
Relevant Bible Passages
While it is encouraging that the U.S. government is taking the threat of global religious persecution seriously, we should not expect this to wipe out the problem. As we are often reminded, the apostle Paul warned us in 2 Timothy 3:12 that, “Everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” The Bible teaches that religious persecution of Christians will continue to increase as the last days draws closer. For example, Matthew 10:22 indicates that Christians will be persecuted and “shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved” (KJV). This persecution not only manifests itself in the more obvious means of physical persecution, but also in social persecution as we can see around the world with Christians being outcast in many countries and prohibited from government positions and even employment. In fact, in many countries it is illegal to openly profess Christ or to publicly evangelize. Our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world are being beaten, and killed for their faith. Hopefully these recent measures by the U.S. State Department can alleviate some of this.
PRAY: Pray for the courage of U.S. leaders to stand by this recent proposal and to actively fight religious persecution around the world. Pray also that whether persecution is lifted or not, that the Gospel will be proclaimed boldly.
Rajararam says
The only hope from among the sleeping west is trying to fade away into total oblivion. Very unfortunate that the only head of state who seemed to have understood the plot behind en masse immigration has now gone into sleeping mode much as his peers in the western nations.
Terry Gain says
Oh brother.
Clarity? For certain. Nothing could be more clear.
Peace? Not a chance.
Love? Muslims don’t even love each other but they do love submission and conquest.
Trump is not the Islamophilic menace that Clinton was, but a defender of America against the scourge of Islam has yet to emerge.
Trump should have cancelled the dinner. It is more of a threat to America than the Philadelphia Eagles.
Islam_Is_Islam says
Write to Mr. Trump here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
I told him to cancel the Iftar before it was held and today I told him he needs to correct his statements. Please write to him.
Elizabeth Lawson says
What’s with all this pussyfooting around what we know to be the most murderous, barbarous and cruel ideology this planet has ever seen – and this new pussyfooter is no greater personage than President Trump? Meanwhile, a worldwide genocide against a REAL religion, the one with the most profound message of peace and love for all mankind is well under way. Churches are being destroyed – burned to the ground, priests are being slaughtered, and Christian citizens are being felled like tenpins. Yet, THE WORLD IS SILENT! WHY? The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR continue their battering ram march across the world, to Islamise the weak and the shockingly obtuse, while denying that their book, and their ideology are blood soaked – not by THEIR blood, but by all who beg to disagree with their monstrous rules of war. Yes, WE are at war, and our wooly headed, weak and foolish leaders everywhere are facilitating the goals of this hideous and death dealing cult. When will the tipping point come? When those who have enabled this Islamic race to conquer find themselves in the presence of a barbarian with a scimitar in his hands preparing to remove his foolish head from his body? Our leaders are leading us to our deaths. We need to stop them.
wm1 says
Indeed they are.
Ignorance and apathy are interminably dangerous things.
Whether he hosted this dinner for purely political, appeasement purposes or not, the message is the same. America, still, does not ‘get it.’
Islam is our greatest enemy not one of our historical friends.
And to blindly and idiotically suggest that we “work together to build a bright and prosperous future that does honor and glory to God” clearly demonstrates he cannot distinguish, rightly, between Yahweh (the One True God of the Bible) and Allah (the crescent, false and idol god of the Middle East who even identifies himself, in the Koran, as Satan).
That is the kind of either willful or unintentional blindness, deception and duplicity that will, ultimately, bring down the entirety of Judeo-Christian, Western civilization and under subjugation to Islam and Sharia law.
Budvarakbar says
Jared is at the bottom of this!
G says
Elizabeth Lawson – your words are truth and beauty – so well written. You are correct and I share your frustration.
Islam_Is_Islam says
Write to Mr Trump here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Tell him how he’s severely stepped away from the principles that Make America Great by hosting the Iftar, making false pronouncements, and praying for impossible outcomes: justice, peace, resolution between Kaffur and Islam?!
MTMLA says
What is going on here , Donald Trump? I’m totally disappointed in our president. Has he joined the Clintons, the Bushes , Obama and the Pope and others in kissing up to the head hunters ? And by doing this he has empowered them and put our nation and us who have no 24/7 armed secrete service agents in great danger. What was Mr Trump thinking when he accepted to host these people who hate and want to destroy everything non muslim? What about these bs words describing this islamic holiday and islam? Fox News said there was a big difference in tone between Trump the candidate and Trump the president. I think ,sadly, he’ll lose a lot of support with this stupid choice of action . SHAME ON YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!
Islam_Is_Islam says
Write to Mr. Trump here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Tell him EXACTLY what you have written here. At least here in America we aren’t entirely in Tommy Robinson’s shoes–yet. Please write to him. I did and I will continue to just about every day.
MTMLA says
Thanks for the address. I’ll write. I hope there’s a response…
Raja says
There is this auto reply with his achievements on economic front.
I wonder what Mr. Bolton has to say about this controversy.
I feel the President is still the best bet for US and the world. I would liken his statement to the soft” touch” from the authorities after the Tiananmen square tragedy. May be the Islamic world needed one after the Jerusalem “shocker”
His statements apart, I guess he is still on target. Imagine if he had stated that Islam is a murderous cult. The world would have been on “fire”, all the more since it is Ramadan.
Budvarakbar says
Let us all know who the letter screeners are and which letters (if any) get through that aren’t kiss ups!
Coach Martin says
Churchill had to be nice to Stalin to win the war. Trump has more enemies that Churchill. He needs to keep some of them happy and come back later. Churchill never did.
Terry Gain says
Did Churchill fete Stalin at a dinner and praise communism?
Anne Smith says
No he didn’t but he did write some of the best words ever written about Islam in his book “The River War”.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Read my comment posted earlier in response to gravenimage’s comment.
As I say, and I think you will agree, these ‘people of power’ have their power built up on scaffoldings of compromises and do so in order to get more important things done.
Logic&Reason says
Two can play the deception game.
Terry Gain says
Trump has been deceived. As have you. it makes no sense for Trump to deceive anyone into believing Islam is benign.
Terry Gain says
What purpose is served by Trump deceiving people that Islam is benign. Trump has been deceived. As have you.
Logic&Reason says
I wasn’t clear enough. IMO, Trump is deceiving the deceivers….i.e. two can play the deception game.
I don’t think he’s been deceived at all.
Logic&Reason says
And, as can be attested by my posts here, I certainly haven’t. 🙂
Terry Gain says
I wasn’t addressing your other posts. Just this one.
Islam_Is_Islam says
Perhaps he’s practicing his own deceiving BUT for the large number of ignorant Americans, he’s pulling another Bush: “Islam is a religion of peace.” He won’t be president forever and history shows us that Islam is here to stay. At this stage in the “game”, what do you see that America gains by President Trump playing the deception game?
gravenimage says
Playing the clueless dhimmi helps no one but supremacist Muslims, I’m afraid.
gravenimage says
And I don’t believe that Trump is faking this–I don’t think he knows much about Islam itself.
He is much stronger against Jihad than most Western leaders–a very good thing–but I think he understands little of the orthodox Islamic roots of Jihad.
gerard says
Wishful thinking?
gordon miller says
Our president seems to have been hypnotized or something worse.
Linda says
“Timeless message of peace, clarity and love”…right! Party favours at the dinner should have been one-way tickets to the Islamic shithole of the holder’s choice.
Buraq says
A bit of secular taqiyya is permissible! But I wonder if he served the assembled clowns coffee and Iftar Eights.
Terry Gain says
Praising Islam is foolish. It will only encourage the Islamists and discourage those who are waking up to the sickness of this evil ideology.
Segzy says
Eaaasy now, Terry, he didn’t even praise Islam throughout, he carefully chosed his words.
He exhaust the allowance of knowledge he has about Islam.
Trump is aware, and Pence was there, too. This was a well-advised step. We are still on course.
Islam will not and cannot be wished away bcos we so desperately wish, a cursed on mankind.
Stay closer to the One Who has the answer, and you’ll see that He is not a but worried about Islam.
Terry Gain says
Segzy
As my smart and dear mother used to say: ” God helps those who help themselves”. The people on here praising Trump are deceiving themselves. There is no rational reason to praise America’s mortal enemy. Leave the deceiving to Muslims. They are the world’s best deceivers. They deceived Trump into handing them a propaganda victory last night.
If you think it was helpful in this fight for Trump to tell the world that Islam is peaceful and loving, you are deluded.
JawsV says
Actually, Terry, God (Jesus) helps those who can least help themselves. If you can help yourself why do you need God?
gravenimage says
Agreed, Terry. We should *never* praise Islam or pretend that it is less savage than it is.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Here’s a “hypothetical” for you. You have the choice to:
a) praise Islam and by so doing ‘maneuver’ to strike it a mortal or severe blow, and permanently remove the threat to your country, OR
b) refuse, outright, out of principle, to ever praise Islam and thus fail to succeed in the ‘maneuver.’ The result is that your country is still open to the threat.
(Let’s assume that the aforementioned ‘maneuver’ is a black box but guaranteed to work.)
Which do you do?
The interesting thing is that Mohammadism teaches Mohammadans to always take the “a)” choice when it comes to furthering the interests of Mohammadism.
Savvy Kafir says
Flavius Claudius Iulianus — There is no reason to assume that your hypothetical scenario would ever exist; and plenty of reasons to believe that it never would.
Better to deal in realities, rather than playing “what if?” games.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
“There is no reason to assume that your hypothetical scenario would ever exist; and plenty of reasons to believe that it never would. Better to deal in realities, rather than playing “what if?” games.”
The interesting thing is that Mohammadism teaches Mohammadans to always take the “a)” choice when it comes to furthering the interests of Mohammadism.
This situation happens frequently … daily. One is focused on one’s principles and subsequently one misses the mark. That was the point of my comment.
gravenimage says
Flavius, I take yoyr point. But can you show me how Trump’s praising of Islam is maneuvering us to strike it a mortal or severe blow, and hence permanently remove the threat to our country?
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Hypothetical question – hypothetical situation.
Much like another commenter (in another post on the same subject) made about giving up a pawn to win a chess game. (In fact, that’s not much of a gambit – usually a gambit involves giving up a rook or a queen.)
gravenimage says
Flavius–with all respect–I still don’t see how this would work.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Hi Buraq, You write of the Trump-hosted iftar dinner, “I wonder if he served … coffee and Iftar Eights.”
What are Iftar Eights? A kind of pastry? A kind of dessert? (An online search was fruitless.)
Buraq says
@ Mark Spahn
Try googling After Eight – after dinner chocolates. If you’ve never tried them and you like chocolate with a minty flavor, they’re for you! After – Ifter … geddit?
gravenimage says
I got it, Buraq. And “After Eight” mints are indeed wonderful. Islam, not so much…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Eight
By the way, After Eight Mints are certified Kosher, but not Halal.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
I thought it was funny
Axis porcinus says
Just to be fair to all racist ideologies when is the KKK dinner, The Nazi feast, The Pol Pot pot luck, and the Stalin Supper?
Terry Gain says
They are all scheduled for later. The Antifa dinner is next.
Budvarakbar says
How about an American Dinner?
Berengaria says
I pray that our President Trump has an American Purpose for Hosting an Iftar Dinner, which is usually associated with the Torture & Death of the Main Course of the Dinner.
I Love & Support Our President & I was so pleased that he restored American Customs in the Trump WH, last year.
Does this mean that the Forgotten Americans, who braved every known assault to Elect Him, will once more, be shoved away, out of sight?
David Stephenson says
I hope they served ham for the main course.
Terry Gain says
No the main course was bull.
gravenimage says
Brilliant, Terry.
Ewanda says
OH MY GOSH!! One step forward – two steps back!! Come and do the Iftar Dance. Oh, I forgot …. Islam doesn’t allow dancing.
I’m in shock at these words from President Trump. It’s like he has his head in the sand and become a bicycle stand for the insidious doctrine of Islam. It’s like he has been kept in isolation from those who could have educated him in the interim and been indoctrinated by those in the White House who never got replaced from the former regime.
Since he eliminated honouring Iftar from last year, no one would fault him if he continued to eliminate it this year. What could be more of an insult to the war veterans than to see this peaceful and voluntary invasion of that Symbol of Freedom and what they fought for?
Every faction especially the Muslim Brotherhood must be looking at this as the best Ramadan Victory ever. Double celebration……..
Budvarakbar says
” Islam doesn’t allow dancing” — Go back and google Bush doing the Saudi sword dance — keep a barf bucket handy!
paul budrunas says
Trump is basking in ignorance concerning Islam. Some of his advisers need to give him a crash course on the Qu’ran and do it quickly for the sake of the future of America. Note to his advisors: don’t cherry pick only the “peaceful” portions of that evil compilation, especially since there are very few peaceful tidbits in that collection of murderous crap!
JawsV says
Yes, Trump is basking in ignorance concerning Islam. No doubt about it.
revereridesagain says
It’s a religion. Everyone who blathers, “You have no right to criticize a religion!” is in part responsible for this idiocy. Adults are responsible for what they believe. If you believe absurdities that include a command by your god to kill those who don’t worship it, then you’ll either commit atrocities or cheer on and support those who do. There is NO good reason to offer comfort and support to such “believers”.
That being said, this was a dumb move Mr. President. Make note of why Jefferson did NOT host an Iftar dinner, and please don’t do it again next year.
JawsV says
Islam is a BAD religion. It should be criticized as heck.
somehistory says
:”Timeless message ….peace…”.moslims don’t know peace and as long as they remain moslim, never will.
“There is no peace, my God has said, for the wicked one.”
“clarity…” moslims make it very clear, esp during this most unholy “month” that they have a blood lust. Have there not been killings and rapes daily across the world in celebration of their unholiness? Nothing is more clear than that they lust for the death of others, and lust for the pain of others, and the destruction of property and the rights of others.
“Love…” Adherents of islam don’t know love, they have no love in themselves. “And the fruits of the spirit are love, joy…” Love is a fruit of God’s Holy Spirit. Any person worshipping satan the devil has refused God’s Spirit and does not have the fruits of that Spirit.
This statement of the president is a lie. Does he know it? By hosting this unholy dinner and saying such things and advising all Americans to “strive” to do the same, essentially placing moslims and their evil creed above that of people who are truly peaceful and who actually do show love…is evil. and praying for “God;s” glory while advancing such garbage…there is no excuse
Praying for “the glory of God” while speaking of islam as being a great religion of “peace and love,” is so very disgusting. The True God does not answer the prayers of those who mix in worship of His enemy with their prayers to Him.
CogitoErgoSum says
MUHAMMAD: The month of Ramadan is now upon us. In gathering together this evening we have a chance to rest from our struggle of bringing clarity to the infidels regarding submission to Allah. We have laid ambushes for them, attacked them without mercy, slit the throats of the Kufar men and taken as our slaves their women and children. Now it is time for us to come together and to split the booty we have earned and also to give to Allah a part of the just rewards for having blessed us in our noble Jihad to wipe out the filthy Kufar.
Therefore, we shall take a break from our unending Lesser Jihad against the infidels and devote just one month of the year to concentrating on the Greater Jihad against the impulse to become too satisfied and complacent with our victories over the Kufar. For the entire month of Ramada you shall fast during the daylight hours from food and drink and all things which make you human and concentrate on becoming more like the bat, the cockroach, the hyena, the scorpion, the skunk, the tarantula, the mouse and the rat which feed at night. Each of you shall find a cool cave and remain within the shelter of its walls to rest, meditate and sleep during the daylight hours and then emerge after sunset to gorge yourselves upon the food supplies we have taken from the Kufar just as hungry lions and tigers would do after slaughtering their prey.
Since this practice was so successful last year in gaining Allah’s protection for us from the search parties of the infidels who want to stop us from our Jihad, I have decided to make it an annual event during the month of Ramadan. As Slaves of Allah you will make this an honored tradition for all time to come until Judgment Day when Allah will help us slaughter all remaining Jews, Christians and other infidels. Now go to your caves and fast, meditate or just sleep and come to the feast I shall have prepared for you at sunset.
THE SLAVES OF ALLAH: Allahu Akbar! We can do this.
Infidel says
Thank GOD our Indian President Kovind.. POINT BLANK REFUSED to have Iftar dinner at his Presidential chambers, and this was a big relief for us Dhimmi Hindus…. I expected better from Trump. Each and every minute concession extended to Islam and Muslim by Khafirs IS NOT SEEN AS GENEROSITY BY MUSLIMS BUT RATHER AS A WEAKNESS.. AN OPENING TO RAM HOME FURTHER CONCESSIONS AND ADVANTAGE FOR ISLAM.. Oh Trump.. ps come out of ur stupor on this deadly ideo..
Mark Swan says
Absolutely Infidel.
gravenimage says
+1
Rolf Wittwer says
Dear Mr. President Trump:
.. what drink have been in those shown glasses? Gin or Wodka?
MTMLA says
Camel Urine.
Alien Republican says
Trump can kiss muslim asses with words as long as he whips the with deeds.
Terry Gain says
If he does the former he won’t generate the political support necessary to do latter. I would say that about half the commenters on this, an anti- Jihad site, don’t understand why it was so inappropriate for Trump to praise Islam, so the prospects of Trump getting the political support to “whip Islam with deeds” is going to be non-existent.
Why would the public want such a wonderful religion “to be whipped”.
JawsV says
Yes, it’s horribly inappropriate for Trump to praise Islam. Words matter. Trump praising Islam is revolting. He doesn’t know the first thing about Islam. Like Geo W Bush and his “rop” camel poop after 9/11.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. There is no excuse for praising Islam. Just because 1.6 billion people subscribe to this vile, savage ideology doesn’t mean it’s worthy of our respect.
And you’re right — words do matter. A lot.
Budvarakbar says
The only “peace” Islam offers is the peace of slavery and the peace of the grave!
JawsV says
Savvy, if the Moslems hadn’t been over-breeding for 1400 years (polygamy/child brides) and so didn’t have the numbers they do we wouldn’t pay Islam a shred of attention.
Alien Republican says
I’m disappointed by Trump for even paying mere lip service. I’m hoping that he’s simply using cynical business tactics to overcome resistance.
MTMLA says
This dinner should NEVER have happened.
Lawrence says
No he’s just a conman who said what he felt he needed to say, to get into the White House. He’s not serious, he doesn’t know anything about Islam, and doesn’t really care to know. He’s all over the map, you haven’t noticed?
JawsV says
“He [Trump] doesn’t know anything about Islam and doesn’t really care to know.”
Agree 100%, Lawrence.
I always knew he didn’t know anything by his “until we figure out what is going on.”
That’s easy — it’s called Jihad. Islamic Jihad. Heard of it, President Trump?
JawsV says
He hosted an Iftar dinner? I’m DONE with Trump.
Mark Swan says
No, JawsV—this President has done too many right things under the
most intense pressure from every direction—what He did, here, was strange,
but he is still the President with the most intense enemies any President
has had—He still deserves support. A few bumps in the road that is all it is.
IV says
You know, I was disappointed too, but…
this could be (could!) could be a negotiation. I saw a tweet today by the Imam Tawhidi- and he was writing to an Islamic fundamentalist. He said something like: You don’t realize it yet, but we will soon be announcing a new Islam and this thing is going to split open.
And the new leader of Saudi Arabia is moving away from the Salafists, and several hundred leaders in France just signed a statement demanding the violent parts of the Koran be expunged…I am sure that Trump knows what is going on with Islam. How could he not after meeting with European leaders?
That being said, am I worried? Sure.
jeanne says
Mr. Trump is merely socializing here, and I doubt he has ever read the Quran or Khomeini’s Little Green Book so he is unaware of the persecuted Christians killed worshipping in Christian churches routinely destroyed by Mohammadans during Bombathon Ramadan (two attacks last year, in a church Alexandria in Egypt and another when children were on their way to a Christian church there). I also doubt Mr. Trump has ever heard of Tommy #braveheart Robinson (he read the Quran) who is in prison for 13 months for exposing the accused 29 Pakistani “grooming gangs of men” (the oldest of the 29 men was a 55 year old, and the youngest little girl was 11) who were on trial for raping little girls in Britain last week. (A peaceful rally is being held in UK on June 11th for free speech in honor of #FreeTommyRobinson. ) If people do not wake up to the reality of Islam, our little girls will continue to suffer at the hands of muslim migrants all around the world. Obviously, Mr. Trump does not know about the grooming gangs raping European girls in the UK. I believe if he knew, he would try to do something to #Savethelittlegirlsfrompedophilia.
Jeanne says
Oh I’m mistaken, I believe the rally is June 9th 2018, (not the 11th) #Free Tommy
jr says
Christians have NO discernment. Trump is not Cyrus. When a nation turns its back on God Almighty and his son the Lord Jesus Christ that nation will be invaded by its enemies……..duh………its called reaping and sowing…………………JUDGEMENT……it will only get worse, much worse. Few will repent……..
gravenimage says
Another creep who believes that Americans deserve to be conquered and enslaved by Muslims. *Ugh*.
An America so destroyed would *not* be more Christian.
jewdog says
Here we have President Trump the fatuous airhead spouting inanities. I liked the cynical realist better.
JawsV says
+ 500.
Savvy Kafir says
Hosting Iftar dinners at the White House? Celebrating the Muslim religion?. Still? — after all that’s gone down?
Would FDR have invited Nazis to dinner during WWII?
When will our leaders understand that the Muslim world is at war with us? When will they stop fraternizing with the enemy? What’s it going to take? Does every Muslim nation on Earth have to officially declare war on us, before our politicians get it?
Mark Swan says
These Muslims just do not fight out in the open—if they keep their membership,
and appear to be complacent with living amongst un-believers they are still part
of the same gang that threatens violence—they are still Muslims and adhere to
Islam as a religion—which still calls for Jihad, whether it is violent or stealth—
it is a combine—a militant, proselytizing, political ideology—feigning religion.
Savvy Kafir says
Yep. We shouldn’t trust ANY of them — or allow any of them to remain in the civilized world.
Budvarakbar says
“Would FDR have invited Nazis to dinner during WWII? ”
No! — wrong brand of Socialism – FDR preferred the Communists
duh swami says
Not too swift Donald…”Love thy enemy’, is not a suicide pact…
It does not mean ‘surrender’…so stop surrendering, it’s weak and
UN-American…
duh swami says
The ‘Timeless message of peace’, has about 300.000.000 victims since Mohammad…All of them are now resting in peace…Islam brings peace…see how that works?
rubiconcrest says
At least Trump did not invited CAIR and other MB groups.
Ren says
One could not blame Trump, a politician, for doing politics as I don’t really think Trump believes either islam or ramadan is about peace, clarity and love.
Savvy Kafir says
At this point, yes, we can blame politicians for playing nice with Islam & Islamists. They are the enemy, and it’s time to start treating them as such. They want to turn the world into one vast Islamic sh*t-hole; and it’s time to begin acting like we understand that.
Rarely says
It is difficult for some people to realize that Trump is the President of ALL Americans including the ones you don’t like. That INCLUDES a lot of muslims. THAT requires him to treat them with respect. It doesn’t matter how the muslim community views it, dhimmitude or whatever, it is up to him to do the right thing and he did it here.
Do not believe for one second that he doesn’t understand what is going on with the islamists. He is not going to make America muslim-free and does not want to promote blood in the streets. He KNOWS that there MUST be an accommodation and, as U.S. President he must find out how to do it. NO OPTION.
Also remember that 20% of Israel’s population is Arab muslim and many of those muslims are fully integrated while very few are jihadists. True there is some dissention but nowhere near the level one would expect.
The reason? Most Israeli muslims understand that their lives are much better off in Israel than anywhere else in the Middle East.
When American muslim immigrants and refugees discover they are better off in the USA than in the hell-holes they came from the scenario will be different.
Before going off half-cocked and cleaning your guns it might be a good idea to find out what Israel is doing because IT WORKS.
MTMLA says
And how do you claim to know what is in the person’s mind and heart?Let’s think about Nidal Hassan…and others.
CogitoErgoSum says
Speaking of guns and Israel, here’s what works there:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21714
Indiana Tom says
Also remember that 20% of Israel’s population is Arab muslim and many of those muslims are fully integrated while very few are jihadists. True there is some dissention but nowhere near the level one would expect.
Yeah, that is why Europe has all of those No Go Zones. Ducky Swimmy all around.
Savvy Kafir says
What if there were lots of Nazis who were American citizens? Would you say the president should invite them to dinner and treat them with respect?
You really don’t seem to understand what Islam is all about.
gravenimage says
Pretending that since Trump is president of some Muslims that he has to lie about Islam is absurd.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. Trump has sworn to defend the Constitution — not make nice with people who would like to see it replaced by Sharia. And, because of the central tenets of Islam, it really does come down to one or the other.
gravenimage says
+1
762x51FMJ says
Obama Iftar dinner guests were muslim brotherhood chanting death to america.
Trump dinner guests approve of the embassy move.
The art of the deal. MAGA…
MTMLA says
Are you sure?????
gravenimage says
This from Robert Spencer in 2009:
“Leader of Muslim Brotherhood-linked group, unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas jihad terror funding case, attends Obama’s Ramadan dinner”
https://www.meforum.org/campus-watch/articles/2009/leader-of-muslim-brotherhood-linked-group,-unindic
At least Trump didn’t have obvious supporters of Jihad and Shari’ah like this to the White House.
jayell says
OK. What’s he up to?
Indiana Tom says
Playing 3-D chess?
Yeah, that is the ticket!
shoehorn says
Well, it’s a Religion of Clarity all right; not sure about the Love & Peace bit. Hippy Trump submits and the West is doomed.
Indiana Tom says
Anyway, a jihad group explained Ramadan this way back in 2012: “The month of Ramadan is a month of holy war and death for Allah. It is a month for fighting the enemies of Allah and God’s messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.”
You know I can respect the Jihadist zombies more than I can respect most Western sack of crap politicians and government bureaucrats. At least the rabid followers of the Pedo Prophet are very honest in their intentions.
Ramadan a time of “peace, clarity, and love,” as Trump said last night, Trump is a chump.
Global Elites are even worse.
gravenimage says
+1
Khalfan says
To be fair, the president cannot publicly denounce Islam. He should call out the radicals, not all Muslims. He has to be politically correct. Previous presidents have praised Islam, including George Bush, shortly after 9/11:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rkmIAnfDVY
Rarely says
I don’t think he has to be “politically correct” but being polite and respectful to peaceful muslims isn’t a bad idea. Using the word “clarity” rather than “charity” was on purpose, of course. I am reminded of US POWs in Vietnam who made finger signals denying what they were saying while they blamed the US for atrocities (under torture, of course). Easily interpreted as saying islam is transparent.
rubiconcrest says
Agreed, but he could have said, without offending anyone …. ‘while the majority of Muslims are good people there are far too many that are jihadists.’ The violence of a few taints the many who are not. We will never have peace and harmony if jihadists have their way. We must all work together to bring peaceful coexistence. For this reason I ask all of us here in attendance to pledge to make this our goal and for us to celebrate what we have in common.’
Rarely says
Yes he could have but it might be a bit too left-handed and would be better on a larger platform. I like it though.
gravenimage says
The fear that peaceful Muslims will become violent if anyone says that Islam is violent exposes a big part of the problem.
Mark Swan says
Absolutely gravenimage,
Just because someone does not display openly what they
have to base their beliefs on…does not mean they will not,
at the very least be empathetic with others who act on it.
These moderate Muslims seem to exist, so We observe this,
do We feel anyone who can read and has read the Quran
and is ok with it, can be something other than Muslim.
Do We expect anyone who is not a Muslim, but has read the
Quran, to understand, how someone who knows what is in
the Quran, can keep Saying they are Muslim.
In this age of Islam spreading aggressively, are we going to
Hope moderate Muslims, can water down the very essence of
Islam which is about control plane and simple…are we to think
the big players in this are Naïve and vulnerable, or maybe ok
with this—what.
They have been building-up to this time for many decades…
they can work any system better than its originators, they are
very effective. This is a supremacist Ideology…do We expect
them to accept equality.
All their ingenuous determined efforts are very real and
very wide-spread.
Do We feel these Muslim folks just need a clear view of
the good life, and when they realize how wonderful a
good life Is, these beliefs, based on the Quran will
just go away.
The rest of this world cannot be on hold…how long do
We have to give Them to make this reformation, after
many centuries of the exact same belief.
Should the words good and Muslim be used together…
read the Quran.
Do these exist…if so, let them cast off this
hate group membership.
Let them join the free World and help…
that is what they could do.
Many beliefs are part of humanity…yet humanity
can not accept the Quran.
Whom then do we liken the Muslim Brotherhood to be.
Many have considered them Moderate Muslims.
They are not.
Recall, from the Muslim Brotherhood Explanatory Memorandum:
“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’
with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood]
must understand that their work in America is a kind of
grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western
civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable
house by their hands and the hands of the believers
so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made
victorious over all other religions.”
CONTROL
gravenimage says
Good post, Mark.
Savvy Kafir says
Khalfan All Muslims are part of the problem; not just the “radicals “. And, given the principle of Taqiyya, it’s impossible to sort out the radicals from the moderates.
And no, he does not need to be politically correct. Political correctness will be the death of freedom and human rights.
gravenimage says
How are good Muslims “radicals”?
Logic&Reason says
Apologies if posted earlier. CAIR and other MB groups were NOT invited.
Trump’s playing games..
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391103-prominent-muslim-organizations-say-they-werent-invited-to-white-house
gravenimage says
Yes–glad at least that these Jihad-enabling groups were not invited. This is something, at least.
Mark Swan says
Thanks for the link to the Hill’s article Logic&Reason, it is interesting.
underbed cat says
Reading this article is my “sum of all fears” moment…from the very first visit to Saudi Arabia I sensed that the President who I voted for, and rejoiced with his election has not read extensively enough and may have actually been dazzled by the Saudi life style and lies, as they smile, dance the Sword dance of war, hide the very sharia law of Islam that created 9/11. Saudi Arabia is clearly the heart of Islam, and Osama Bin Ladin flew the planes into NYC after a islamic fatwa was cleared to hit America. Their hands, charities and money are contributing funds to build mosques in the U.S. to conquer the west. These very beautiful marble floored mosques hear the prayers for our demise and prayers to Allah to accomplish this task. How did he switch so swiftly, his instincts have been thwarted, the misinformation campaign in full operation, these comments of praise are unacceptable for any amount of money. Selling weapons to the Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia to fight Islamic Republic of Iran is no different than Obama ‘s Iran nuclear deal. Its is the insidious ideology of Islam which is calling for death to America, Israel and all non blievers in the quest to conquer the world for a caliphate and the 109 verses that call for slaying infidels or non believers. Get a Quran dear President and read it. This is my opinion but I know Islam is not a religion of peace. What you see and abhor from isis and hear them quote is Islam.
gravenimage says
Trump, at White House Iftar, hails Ramadan’s “timeless message of peace, clarity, and love”
………………..
Depressing to hear this whitewash of Islam even from Trump.
underbed cat says
Underbed cat’s comment did not get posted, this may be due to the collapsing state of my hope, so I put out my thoughts and information about Islam and my conclusion about his visit to the Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia which left me with a numb feeling that nothing changed. So a Iftar dinner was held at the White House. and his comment that Islam has a” timeless message of peace, clarity(?)and love” is one he should have used at the Press Dinner, it would have been quite funny. This is not funny. After Ramadan it has another verse….”when the sacred days are over…..” I will not continue the next verse….all I will say is read the Quran and please do not submit to the doctrine. It is your duty to protect America.
Jeanne says
Traitor?
Jeanne says
https://youtu.be/z91P_9lwoJs …
I sure hope Trump gets that wall finished.
Ewanda says
Just remember that these dinner attendees just came from their prayers that states for their god to keep them on the straight path not like those he hates (the Jews), nor those who have gone astray (the Christians).
Also the meal would all be halal which means that any meat would have been slaughtered in the most cruelest way, there would be no pork products, …. hopefully President Trump would have provided just a vegetarian meal which would have been totally acceptable.
Kids attend the sacrificial slaughter of the animals to their deity from a young age and then thereafter. This leads to wholesale desensitization to torture, pleading, rape, amputations, stoning, reasoning, logic, …. they can’t see themselves in harmony with the world while it is populated by those who don’t think alike.
They don’t think like us. Cordiality is weakness.
Terry Gain says
IFTAR
I Favor The Abominable Religion
Lydia Church says
“timeless message of peace, clarity, and love” (and charity) can only be referring to Christianity!
If one is referring to islam, then it is: endless terrorism, lies, and hate!
And don’t hang your hat on Trump.
~itys.
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“In the end, they are all the devil’s pawns and _ _ _ -kissers.” ~Veritas
Lydia Church says
“What is going on?”
See below:
‘But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”
Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”
And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ” ‘ Luke 4; 4-8
Note: Jesus WILL get it all, by His own authority.
But first, the devil will give it all to the antichrist for a short time. See Revelation 13.
So believe it or not, but that is what is going on.
Rarely says
Maybe. IF there was a devil but, of course, there is not.
Wellington says
Proving that while Trump is a step in the right direction (for all those who would aver otherwise, just ponder for a moment if Hillary were in the Oval Office), he still unfortunately falls short of what is needed.
And what is needed? Well, at least in part, a modern John Quincy Adams, who understood Islam better than any POTUS and who said about Mohammed, “The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust, to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”
Great things (often bad things too) usually come in increments. Trump, I submit (not meant in an Islamic way of course) is an incremental great thing though regrettably nothing more. Hence, more increments in the proper direction are needed. Surely. I mean, after all, we are dealing here with the best disguised and longest-lived form of pure evil that has ever existed, i.e., Islam, and Trump, who has great street instincts as well as balls, falls short in the pure knowledge category—and arguably in other categories as well, though I remain proud that I voted for this man for President in 2016.
All of said statement above and so far is why America, the entire West and everyone who prizes liberty needs another JQA as President of the American nation but one with more political skills than JQA had because, just as Trump is deficient in the pure knowledge area about Islam, contra JQA, so was JQA deficient in political skills if you take the time to read about his Presidency (1825-1829) and even taking into account Jacksonian obstructionism towards him.
How about this: a POTUS with the street instincts and toughness of Trump (or Jackson), with the knowledge of JQA and Thomas Jefferson about Islam (TJ called the Koran “demonic—definitely a good start where a proper understanding of Islam is concerned), the immense shrewdness of Abraham Lincoln, the political skills of FDR, the extraordinary common sense of Harry Truman and the moral genius of Ronald Reagan.
Am I asking for too much? Yes I am. But at certain times in history a “too much” kind of person is not only desirable but necessary if freedom and civilization are to survive. Winston Churchill comes to mind here first and foremost. And there are a few others like Elizabeth I of England, Oliver Cromwell, who, whatever his faults, reversed the tide of absolute monarchy which Charles I tried to impose upon his kingdoms, and always George Washington, whom a son of George III, the very monarch the American colonies broke away from and who ruled over Great Britain at the time (N.B., ecosse1314, I did not say “England” here and hope you’re doing well, pal), King William IV, called “the greatest man in history.”
Yes, I am asking for such a person as the next POTUS. America, all the West, hangs in the balance and so such a person is imperative after Trump. Whether such a person will emerge is still highly questionable but that such a person is needed I cannot see how anyone of sense and knowledge can doubt it. I surely don’t lest we fall into a new dark age that could very well be far darker than any other negative time in man’s history, courtesy of Islam, Western Leftism and overall willful ignorance. Time for a beer.
gravenimage says
+1
Baucent says
The naivety of the regulars on this forum is staggering. Trump has succeeded in shifting the US Embassy to Jerusalem which has enraged muslims worldwide. He is simply throwing them a bone. He’s a politician thinking about re-election in a couple of years. If he publicly took the position on Islam people here want him to take, neither he (nor any other presidential candidate) would be elected. What politicians say is less important than what they do.
Steve says
Maybe the naivety is yours. What actually seems to have happened is that as the price of getting the US embassy where Israel wants it, about as useful as a bone to everyone else, Trump’s entire anti-Islamization promise has evaporated. And, Trump was elected precisely by taking a strong position against Islamization, which he now helps with such stunts if anything.
Carlito says
Wrong, he would have far more support if he took the hard line against Islam that he originally did. We Americans are awake and we aren’t planning on going to sleep.
Terry Gain says
Baucent
What Trump did was host an Iftar dinner and praise the “religion” of conquest. This is far more harmful to the defense against Islam’s war on us than the good done by moving the embassy.
gravenimage says
Trump has definitely done more to push back against Jihad than any other president in recent memory–a very good thing. That does not mean I think this Iftar dinner was a good thing, though.
Adam says
I’m sure this is more 6D chess and art of the deal stuff, that normal stupid folk just couldn’t understand. You’ll see, it’s genius. Just get your hat back on and shut up.
Why must we continue to show respect and support for a group of rock worshipping, lying pieces of crap who worship death more then life? Who openly seek our destruction?
Which is why a new word will be used to replace=muslim. That replacement is “turd”. Much more appropriate and I think you’ll see it works well anywhere the “other word” was used. Young Asian turns into young turd. Migrant turns into Turdgrant. Easy see.
Peace is a lie, there is just a brief period of reloading. Prepare yourselves and have courage.
Nona says
Yup! Trump is schizophrenic. One minute for israel, the next for the islamics.
jack cade says
Serious mistake for Trump to host anything to do with Islam. Very, very disappointed.
Steve says
Trump did not have to do this and should not have, indulging in and validating Islamic practises in the West is NOT the way to go, ESPECIALLY on the part of a leader elected in part on the basis of oppositon to Islamization of the West. If even Trump does this stuff, which is repulsive enough in dhimmi stooges, then who the hell can we ever expect to actually draw the line and not submit to paying homage to the influence of Islam in our nations? The Israel-Trump schmoozing with the Saudis is not only sickening, it is dangerous.
Art Telles says
Title of article:
Trump, at White House Iftar, hails Ramadan’s “timeless message of peace, clarity, and love”
This text below is from a comic strip I saw recently –
A girl is lying in bed trying to get to sleep and says to herself –
>> Islam is a religion of peace.
Her overactive brain says –
>> Islam is not a religion of peace.
>> They are savages who decapitate people.
The young girl says –
>> That’s only the extremists brain.
>> Go to sleep.
Her brain says –
>> If Islam is a religion of peace,
>> Wouldn’t Islamic extremists be extremely peaceful?
The young girl –
Now she is wide awake with both eyes wide open… thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking… etc.
A question for Mr. President Trump
If Islam is a religion of “peace, clarity, and love”… “clearly”… wouldn’t Islamist extremists be extremely “peaceful AND loving”?
Art
Dry Academy says
“He recalled that the first state visit of his presidency was to Saudi Arabia, calling it “one of the most fabulous times” of his presidency.”
Can we please, please, please for once have a president who doesn’t have his head up Saudi Arabia’s asshole?
gerard says
I’m so disappointed! Did he also hold a couple of beheadings in the rose garden just to show he’s not a bigot?
JawsV says
Good one, gerard. The way things are going (Islamization) I wouldn’t be surprised if that actually happens some day.
gerard says
“Put not your trust in princes”. A timely reminder perhaps..
Carlito says
Why is the Muslim Brotherhood still operating within the USA? Why would President Trump betray his base like this?
gravenimage says
For what it’s worth, Trump did not invite CAIR–unlike Obama.
patriotliz says
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer??
But STOP letting Muslims into America—even if they are vetted not to be terrorists. They only add to the Ummah that seeks to Islamicize America.
JawsV says
All Muslims are potential terrorists (Jihadists) who can choose Jihad at any time. Now or 10 years from now. They cannot be vetted. It’s an impossibility.
Jeanne says
I transcribed this to send to President. Trump, but chickened out. I will leave it here and if anyone thinks our President should read it please forward it to him.
“You see, Prophet Mohammad got his revelation from the angel, Gabriel, in the early 600’s, that he is to be the Last Prophet So he started preaching in his own city of Mecca, trying to convert his friends and his people in the city and he tried and he tried for 12 years and failed. People thought he was a lunatic they did not want to believe him they did not want to have anything to do with him. So he was only able to recruit his immediate family and friends. So he decided, “if I just go to Medina (which was the business (doer shop???) of Arabia at the time) and preach to them, they maybe, will accept me.” And if they do that it will give me credibility and stature in the eyes of my own people.
So in order to do that Mohammad decided to borrow a lot from the Old Testament and incorporate it into his religion. And this is why we see a lot of nice words like “The People of the Books” in the early verses of Islam. So Mohammad thought, if I borrow a lot from the Old Testament it will make my religion more palatable to the Jews. For example, Jews don’t eat pigs, Muslims don’t eat pigs. Jews pray a few times a day, Muslims pray a few times a day. Jews fast on Yum Kippur, Muslims fast on Ramadan.
So Mohammad packaged his religion and he went to Medina and started preaching. And he tried to preach to the Jews and finally the Jews said to them, “No, thank you very much. We accept you as a guest in our city. You are the prophet, okay fine, but we like our own religion and we are not changing.” And that is when Mohammad turned from a spiritual leader into a Military warrior. That is when Islam changed from being a spiritual movement for twelve years (12 years) into becoming a military political movement cloaked in religion. Mohammad
started expelling the Jews. He started killing them. Jews and Christians became Dhimmi or second class status under Islam.
1. Jews and Christians were not allowed to pray publicly. They were not allowed to build churches. The Christians were not allowed to ring the church bells.
2. Jews were not allowed to build Temples. They were not allowed to blow the shofar? …
Jews and Christians were given identifiable clothing.
For example, The Yellow Star which was given to the Jews. The Yellow Star which a lot of people think is a German invention was actually an Islamic invention in the 9th Century in Iraq by the second caliph of Iraq ( Caliph al Utawakin ?) who came up with the Yellow Star for the Jews to identify them as they walk down the street. For the Christians, he came out with the ZUNAR , or the belt, that many of you men who are watching me right now are wearing a belt. That belt was the Islamic invention for the Christians. Because Jews and Christians were considered second class. Jews in particular were considered filth under Islam.
So Islam continued to spread out of Arabia. They went all the way into Jerusalem. They conquered Jerusalem. And that’s when the Pope in Rome in 1090 told the Christians of Europe, “You need to go save the Christians in the Middle East. You need to go save the Christians in the Holy Land.” And that’s why the Crusaders were launched. The Crusaders were not launched because they wanted to go Evangelize the world into Christianity. The Crusaders were launched to liberate Jerusalem and they were able to liberate Jerusalem for less than one hundred years (100 years) before SALADAN ? took the city back and Jerusalem remained under Islamic control until the year 1967 when the State of Israel liberated Jerusalem. And Christians, Jews and Muslims were able to worship under the same sky.”
~ Brigette Gabriel https://youtu.be/FyvKu6WxTK8
gravenimage says
Why chicken out? Educating the president about the threat of Islam is a good idea.
steve says
Trumps is brilliant. Do people here not understand his irony. Peace, clarity, love, my ass. If President had said what he really thinks he would have been branded an Islamaphobe……
gravenimage says
He’s already been branded an “Islamophobe”.
terry says
Why would anyone honour an evil ideology that was out to destroy their way of life?
Terry Gain says
Your question cannot be satisfactorily answered. I am surprised at the number of dimwits here who have defended what is indefensible. This particular one was hilariously stupid.
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Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Jun 8, 2018 at 1:57 am
Here’s a “hypothetical” for you. You have the choice to:
a) praise Islam and by so doing ‘maneuver’ to strike it a mortal or severe blow, and permanently remove the threat to your country, OR
b) refuse, outright, out of principle, to ever praise Islam and thus fail to succeed in the ‘maneuver.’ The result is that your country is still open to the threat.
(Let’s assume that the aforementioned ‘maneuver’ is a black box but guaranteed to work.)
Which do you do?
The interesting thing is that Mohammadism teaches Mohammadans to always take the “a)” choice when it comes to furthering the interests of Mohammadism
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He didn’t explain how praising Islam could possibly “maneuver’ to strike it a mortal or severe blow, and permanently remove the threat to your country”
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#/media/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Horseman says
This was nothing less than appeasement.
JOHN says
If Trump believes this shameless pandering to a minuscule grievance group is going to give him, or the Republicans, any kind of an advantage at the polls in the midterms, then he is delusional.Their votes will be insignificant or non extant while he will simultaneously alienate the American majority who voted him into office. You are a very stupid man, Mr. Trump.