For many years now, a medieval ritual is being enacted by Muslims on the streets of Canada to mourn the murder 1,400 years ago of Prophet Muhammad’s grandson Hussain Ibn Ali in the Iraqi city of Karbala……This year, the self-flagellation ritual reached a point when last Sunday hundreds of young men took off their shirts on University Avenue facing the U.S. Consulate and started beating themselves in frightening unison….In the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent, self-flagellation is not just beating of the chests in wild unison, but extends to whipping oneself with razor-sharp blades.
Why, pray tell, is this crude ritual tolerated in Canada? This creepy, barbaric practice has made its way into Canada despite the insistence of diversity gurus, who claim that “trauma” is the most serious problem that migrants bring into Canada from foreign countries. This is nonsensical; people do not abandon their lifelong practices simply because they are crossing a border, as some claim.
The question is this: Why couldn’t John Tory or Jennifer Keesmat say the obvious and call a barbaric practice as ‘barbaric’?
The answer is the fear of offending Islam, a fear that has reached phobic levels.
“Bare-chested religious self-flagellation has no place on our streets,” by Tarek Fatah, Toronto Sun, September 25, 2018:
For many years now, a medieval ritual is being enacted by Muslims on the streets of Canada to mourn the murder 1,400 years ago of Prophet Muhammad’s grandson Hussain Ibn Ali in the Iraqi city of Karbala. This is when his fellow Muslims loyal to the ruler of the Islamic Caliphate of the time slaughtered Prophet Muhammad’s entire progeny, save a few women and an ailing son.
To put this in perspective, the tragedy observed as ‘Ashura’ unfolded way back on Oct. 10, 680 AD.
The first time non-Muslim Canadians saw the spectacle of an ‘Ashura’ march was in 2010 when processions were held in cold weather in Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary and Montreal. Nothing other than mourning songs and symbolic light beating of the chest was displayed.
In the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent, self-flagellation is not just beating of the chests in wild unison, but extends to whipping oneself with razor-sharp blades, the ritual of cracking skulls and bleeding baby boys with cuts on their heads.
This year, the self-flagellation ritual reached a point when last Sunday hundreds of young men took off their shirts on University Avenue facing the U.S. Consulate and started beating themselves in frightening unison.
A lawyer, originally from Lebanon, who was walking by the procession recognized what was happening and quickly recorded the scene taking place outside the 361 University Avenue Courthouse and sent it to the Toronto Sun.
Another recording emerged from 2017 that showed this practice of hundreds of shirtless men marching on our streets beating their bare chests and faces. This had happened without any objection by any politician, public figure or police.
I reached out to the candidates vying to be Toronto’s mayor and asked them if they would permit such public display of medieval rituals on our streets, if elected.
Mayor John Tory’s office said the group marching bare chested “would not have received a permit from a City Division for this activity. It would most likely be a protest, although a cultural ritual, as it was done in front of the US Consulate.”
John Tory did not address the question whether he would permit such a procession if elected.
His main rival in the race, Jennifer Keesmat, did not respond at first, but after I persisted, her office sent the following message:
“Thank you for writing into the campaign. We hear your feedback and appreciate you sharing it with us. We’ll pass it along to our team.”
The only candidate who did address the issue was Faith Goldy who has been portrayed as a pariah by much of the media elites and the political class…..
Krishna says
Absolute self injuring cult
Jon Sobieski says
Islam deforms society, that’s why leftists love it.
Garfield says
+1
Anjuli Pandavar says
“Islam deforms society.” Apropos of which, you might be interested in Thilo Sarrazin’z new book, “Hostile Takeover: How Islam retards progress and threatens society” (in German), published by FBV (after Random House reneged on their publishing deal and Sarrazin sued them).
Charles says
Mr. Sobiesky, are you tarring all anti-capitalists with your same “leftist” brush ?
gravenimage says
Certainly, Muslims *hate* free trade and consider it Haram.
Butcher Bob says
This is a good sign of solidarity and better then beating their women! I wonder how long the wait was for a taxi in Toronto that day? NOW, if we could only harness this much energy in the form of sending them back on the boat they road in on, would be a great step in the right direction, Trudeau !!! WAKE UP CANADA
Cheryl S. says
Canada, infiltrated and infested by this malignancy, even more so with the man-child Marxist, “Christianity bad, islam good,” trudeau.
Looks like the U.S. will now need a Northern Border Wall to separate Islamic Canada from the U.S.
James Lincoln says
Cheryl, I agree….
As Canada becomes more and more Islamized, the US should seriously consider building a wall on the northern border with Canada in addition to the southern wall with Mexico.
Frank Anderson says
J.L. a few years ago I recorded a Holocaust survivor who was also a lawyer with a family of lawyers. I was surprised when he talked about an idea that I had proposed at different times to stop illegal immigration by ILLEGAL ALIENS, not “undocumented immigrants”. Anyone who hires one goes to jail. Anyone who aids the theft of taxpayer money supporting one goes to jail and forfeits all pensions. 18 United States Code Section 2, anyone who aids, abets, counsels or acts in furtherance of a federal felony is equally guilty. Illegal entry and theft of federal money are felonies. So is conspiracy. Considering the number already here, a wall with Canada would not help as much as the wall with Mexico where drugs and weapons rank right along with the illegal entry.
The best walls might be for the prisons. Cross into Mexico illegally and look at 5 years, if you don’t have a firearm. “Just thinkin.”
Renate says
What a sight that must be to behold…a bunch of half-naked Muslim men beating themselves until they’re bloody. I’m glad I didn’t see that when I was out. I would have vomited.
David says
I sympathise if you don’t like the sight of blood, but at least it is mulsim blood, and not infidel blood.Why they do this beats me! Well them actually!
gravenimage says
Infidel blood will soon follow.
miriamrove says
This shows you that the very day their pedophile prophet died they started bickering. This is why no sect of Islam recognizes the other as legit but all sects are in unison when it comes to the Jews and the infidel. Husaain, the prophet’s grand son was a f….idiot to say the least. he had 72 people with him which half if not most were women and children and went to war with YazidMuaweeh who had 1000 men. Only f..idiots and morons would pick a fight like this. So he got his ass kicked and handed to him and to this day 1400 years later the Shia Muslims are still reeling and commemorate this f…s in a two day ritual called Tasoo”a and Ashura. Tasso”a is the day before the war and Ashura is the day that hussain got his ass kicked. God knows how many times I was forced to participate in this barbaric ritual by my dad. But myself along with others who were forced to participate found a way to pay back and retaliate. And our weapon: Fountain pen with black or blue ink in them. Once they started the mourning process started, they would turn the lights off and f…mourners would start crying and wailing. Then someone in the audience would spray the mourners with scented water(generally rose flower). That is when we would spray them with the ink in the pen! Once the lights were turned on you would see dozens of people with ink all over their cloths! May allah have mercy on them all! M
Jedothek says
“Why, pray tell, is this crude ritual tolerated in Canada?” It seems to me these people have a right to do this. We can ridicule them if we want, but not prevent them .
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, it must be tiresome doing that flagellating all on your own. Perhaps we could help them out with it. Maybe there should be a “Help Beat the Hell Out of a Muslim Day” to show how much we respect their beliefs. (I’d pass on the mutton and Kool-Aid afterwards.)
Dawn says
I’m all for a “Help Beat the Hell Out of a Muslim Day”
David says
Cognito, bacon sandwiches would be better.
gravenimage says
Actually, I don’t think anyone has a “right” to beat themselves bloody in the streets of the civilized world. *Ugh*.
LytchZam says
Flying body fluids anyone?
Frank Anderson says
GI, always with respect and courtesy. Logically if a person has a basic right to decide when it is time for him to die, he also has the right to decide when he wants to beat himself to death. Better that he beats himself rather than beating another, which happens all too often. No telling what kind of infections might arise from this activity that would limit future risks. Let them beat and bleed until they are dry.
gravenimage says
Frank, you know more about the law than I do. Does the civilized West have to allow this in their city streets?
Frank Anderson says
GI, still with sincere respect at ALL times. I am not aware of any law that prohibits a person from assaulting, maiming, mutilating, attempting murder or murdering himself. I do think it is possible that a theft charge might be possible by going to medical treatment that the patient does not pay for deliberately self-inflicted wounds. As usual where are the prosecutors? I wish they were out there beating themselves bloody. Now that would be worth watching and cheering.
Please think about our conversations regarding the use of “national suicide” when the correct statement from a legal view is “national murder”. Suicide is when a person decides to end HIS life. Murder is when a person decides to end the life of someone other than himself. The difference is important because the betrayal of fiduciary duty is included when using the word murder. National leaders have a duty, not an option or a right, to serve and protect the people of the nation. When they fail, as so many are today, they are violating their duty and should be known for it and dealt with appropriately. Look at what happened to collaborators in country after country following WWII.
Please consult a currently licensed and practicing attorney in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.
Frank Anderson says
GI, Supplement to 12:18 comment.
Example 1. You own a house totally free and clear with no co-owners and burn it down. Then you make an insurance claim. That is clearly insurance fraud and breach of contract at least. If you don’t make an insurance claim all you have done is destroyed your own property.
Example 2. You are part owner of a house with a co-owner and a mortgage. When you deliberately burn it down you have committed a theft from the co-owner and mortgage company in addition to the fraud and theft from the insurance company for the arson.
Frank Anderson says
GI, another supplement:
If you enjoy movies watch Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis. Notice the scene where the Texas Ranger talks with Willis about solving problems. Interesting possibilities suggested, Enjoy. Really great music.
gravenimage says
Thanks for your replies, Frank.
I did some searching, and was rather surprised that I could not find any laws in the US against bloodying yourself in public (although I know that some have been prosecuted for deliberately bleeding on police officers and social workers with the intent of trying to spread AIDS).
Certainly, though, I would imagine that bloodying children would be considered a form of assault.
As for the “murder/suicide” thing, I am referring to cultures committing suicide. I know you are not fond of this phrasing, but is it well-established in English usage–I did not coin this phrasing, but find it useful to describe what is going on now. Here is one example:
“Michael Ley on the Suicide of the West: The Islamization of Europe”
http://www.telospress.com/michael-ley-on-the-suicide-of-the-west-the-islamization-of-europe/
I *assure you* I don’t use this term to annoy you.
I haven’t seen “Last Man Standing” with Bruce Willis–but I know it is based on the “Seven Samurai”, which I loved and is a classic tale of standing up against impossible odds. I’ll look for it. Thanks.
Frank Anderson says
GI my respect for you is about as high as for anyone I know or have known. In the words of John Wayne in War Wagon, “I would hate to live on the difference.” I would not be a pest on this issue if I did not believe it is important to get people to Think and Act.
A person ultimately has every right in my opinion and experience to say when it is time to die. That is suicide. But no person, absent “justification, mitigation or excuse” has the right to tell someone else it is time for them to die. That is murder. Whatever the common usage that neither of us turned loose on an ill-informed public, we know better. We need to use the correct, not the popular, description of this criminal breach of fiduciary duty to entire countries and societies by willing and knowing collaborators. Anything less is just being unclear and allows more time to go by, with more people dead, until the truth sinks in. Please . . .?
gravenimage says
Thanks for your reply, Frank.
As I noted, I actually do find the use of the term suicide useful for what is happening in Western culture now. That does not mean that I believe that every aspect of Western culture is suicidal–far from it, I admire most of Western culture–nor do I believe that every member of Western cultures is suicidal–certainly, Anti-Jihadists are not.
But neither do I think that every member of the culture involved in this sort of behavior is consciously and deliberately trying to murder their fellow Westerners–indeed, most of them are not. I have a lot of neighbors and even loved ones acting out of unearned guilt or “virtue signalling”. Most of them don’t mean anyone harm–but this does not mean they are harmless.
I hope more of them wake up to the threat of Islam–no matter how belatedly.
I think we do agree on most points, though, Frank.
By the way, I just saw a trailer for “Last Man Standing”, and it looks interesting. Not sure how I missed it the first time around. Thanks again.
Frank Anderson says
GI, whenever you get to watch it remember to look about the middle of the movie for the scene in the sheriff’s office for the Texas Ranger talking with Bruce Willis, giving him a very pleasant amount of leeway.
As long as soft-soap terms are used instead of clear language, the longer people will remain asleep. One person has no authority to cause the death of another, especially when under a fiduciary duty to do exactly the opposite, I ask you please use the legally correct and clear term instead of the totally inaccurate and deceptive popular term. Cultural/National/Societal MURDER.
Garfield says
So….any parents of young women out there…you’re not going to let your daughters date these demonic idiots ARE YOU?
Westman says
Step right up and garner your personal scars in front of the US Consulate where the employees will be shown your ferocity as a “lion of Allah” and be Ashura’d that your religion has turned you into a first-rate fruit cake with all the “trimmings”.
Trim on…
SB says
Thumbing their nose at the US Consulate, and flipping the bird to Canadian residents.
scherado says
“Progress, not perfection.” Wait,…never mind.
MaryLetty says
We have a trip planned for a year from now where we arrive in Quebec City for a 5 day visit prior to a cruise which travels south through New England to NYC. I realize this is just a month before the next election which hopefully will NOT continue Trudeau in office. The more I read about what is going on in that part of Canada, the more I am considering canceling this trip. Would appreciate any comments., thanks.
Renate says
Mary, you may have a nice uneventful trip, but then, on the other hand, you may not too. Set out to enjoy your vacation, but in the back of your mind, be prepared for any eventuality just in case.
John Reynolds says
Quebec City is hundreds of miles away from the insanity. Catholic Quebec is far less tolerate of such stupidities than leftward-leaning Toronto. You might see 1 or 2 women wearing hijabis, but not burkas (the letterbox things)
Grizzly says
No barbarity in Islam is too much for the Social Justice Warriors slithering in our midsts.
gerard says
Welcome to the Planet of the Apes.
No Muzzies Here says
Trudeau should be asked his opinion on this. Eh?
Sovereign Man says
After they cut themselves up, they will head to the nearest taxpayer funded hospital (to which they have never contributed a single red cent) and get patched up at the the expense of real Canadians, while hating and plotting to kill those Canadians. Just one more reason why I WANT THESE ANIMALS OUT OF MY COUNTRY.
gravenimage says
Video: Bare-chested Shi’ite self-flagellation reaches the streets of Toronto
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And even worse is their cutting up their children:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/17/90/291790745555f3c9186ed69e884447bb.jpg
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/Ashura-festival-374013.jpg
There are many more such images. Who says that Muslims in Canada are not doing this?
ConnectingDots says
Per Google Maps, that location is only seven minutes by car from CN Tower.
Would CN Tower provide a good view of the self-flagellation, or is its view of the street in front of the U.S. Consulate blocked by other buildings?
— Asking for a friend
John Reynolds says
Interesting question. The CN Tower is almost directly south of the U.S. Consulate, but about 150 yards to the West. A small portion of the roof would likely be visible from the tower, but nothing more.
pemba says
Did our PM Trudeau participate in this ceremony?
was not our PM Trudeau and his family invited to attend this religious ceremony ?
alex smythe says
If Trudeau has indeed converted to Islam, then I think that’s he’s probably a Sunni (perhaps an extreme Sunni, at that) and not a Shi’a Muslim.
Renate says
PM Shiny Pony beat himself bloody? You must be kidding! Blood on the hair? Blood on the socks? No way!
Notmoron says
Democracy is good; but when the corrupt take the power, they sell the country and that’s what happening in all western world. Muslims are buying politicians faster.
gravenimage says
True democracy does not entail allowing the destruction of democracy.
StellaSaidSo says
Indeed, it does. The guy with the numbers wins. Then he rewrites the rules. See Germany, 1932.
As the Sultan Erdogan observed, ‘Democracy is like a bus; you use it to get to where you want to go, then you get off.’
Churchill was probably right – democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
gravenimage says
Democracy is *not* mob rule, as you appear to believe.
Democracy has been used by the undemocratic–Hitler, as noted, or supremacist Muslims–but if they seize power it is *no longer democracy*.
True democracy is not just about numbers–it has safeguards against those things that are not democratic. Hence, you cannot vote in stoning rape victims in the street in a democracy.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
FAITH GOLDY Demands she be allowed to debate: Forcibly removed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAq56f2_Cds
John Reynolds says
FAITH GOLDY is very solidly in 3rd place. This incident shows how complete Canadian MSM’s control of our country is. They lie and deceive with no concern not-so-ever. It’s quite astonishing, but the majority of Canadians simply do seem to notice what’s going on. A full on attack against our Freedom of Speech will soon begin and I hope that wakes people up. When your freedom to speak can be limited, Democracy itself will also soon fall.
StellaSaidSo says
+1
Arthur says
I think this is a good opportunity for dragging out the kids and taking them to see the event.
“Look at these people, Timmy. See how they are beating themselves and chanting? What do you think makes them do such strange behavior? Islam! Look at what can happen to you if you submit to Islam! You don’t want to grow up being like this do you?”
Just like driving through San Francisco provides a teaching opportunity about drug abuse and homelessness.
infidel says
What savages these are!! Ps note that they did this in front of the US embassy. These imported vermin by the TURD have now been given free license to exhibit their hatred of the USA and what it stands for ON CANADIAN SOIL. What a disgrace!!! This is nothing but a COLD message of Jehaad and terror to the USA from Canadian soil. To what abysmal depths Canada has plunged today.
David says
Infidel, the name Turdeau means in English, Shit water.
dan christensen says
Bare-chested Shi’ite self-flagellation has for years been performed in the streets of Copenhagen.
If this is islamic “cultural enrichment”, together with terrorism, jihadism, stealing, robbing, raping, hating, stoning, dismemberment, cruelty to animals, sexual mutilation, tax evasion and lying – then most of the Danes prefer to maintain their present cultural level.
Cultural enrichment is Newspeak á la 1984.
Chand says
Hussein, the grandson of the Prophet of God, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, and his family died of thirst in the Battle of Karbala.
Even families and descendants of the Prophet are not spared painful deaths after terrible sufferings.
Jesus too died a horrible death on the cross.
So where do we ordinary mortals stand? What is our fate? Can God save us? He could not save the grandchildren of the Prophet nor the Christ.
So we mourn the death of Hussein. Pain is our fate. We prepare for the Day of Judgement.
So we beat our chest in despair.
WPM says
According to Christians Christ die and was raise from the dead ,he took on our sin in this act. Jesus is the son of God according to Christians one part of the trinity Father ,Son and Holy Spirit ,he choose to die. Did Hussein die of thirst with his family on the battle field ,or did he die leading a small band of people fighting a much larger band ,for power in this world I do not know. He was searching for power in this world thru war that much is clear he choose this of his own free will . He cause a great schism in the Islamic world that brings fresh battles today ,the public display of aggression only reinforces the beliefs that Moslems do not have free will to change there future. Your actions ,your future is depended on choosing to do good or evil ,God has given you this choice .You choosing to publicly beating the body God gave you to a bloody pulp ,why would that please him ? This look at me I am really proud ,I am the best of people ,I am a slave for allah ,I am a good slave ,I have no free will.
gravenimage says
“We”? Is the appalling apologist for Islam Chand now admitting that he is a Shia Muslim?
In any case, the false moral equivalence between Jesus and the vicious “Prophet” of Islam is disgusting, but hardly surprising considering the source.
David says
These self flagellators should have been cheered on by white Canadians, and all non mulsims. What an appalling way these moronic people behave. They are clearly out of their tiny minds.
WPM says
Like an evil side show act ,or a train wreak it is hard to look away, but should it be acceptable behavior in public??Like butchering animals by slitting their throats in public??Only because something is part of religion it is exempt from common acceptable civilized behavior??Why is everything in Islam its foundations about prideful violence and prideful forcing others outsides to witness there prideful displays of violence??
Coram Deo says
ASHURA 2018
TORONTO:
6 minutes 00 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHcmSQwppTU
2 minutes 31 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=95&v=DHVmson7shc
MELBOURNE:
30 minutes 48 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJa7n_sMUqQ
MANCHESTER:
2 minutes 30 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkTJbvYotoc
LONDON:
1 minutes 44 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_eu0VZm6Ns
NEW YORK:
9 minutes 35 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF1GQm-Z0H8
SYDNEY:
18 minutes 08 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmo19JpvBjw&t=82s
OSLO:
2 minutes 07 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERYKDVRwluk
DEARBORN:
1 minutes 48 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNj9aYs7EpA
ITALY:
13 minutes 10 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVA-YYWaSRw
UK: various
2 minutes 35 seconds – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jObLkvTfKSQ
gravenimage says
Thanks for those links.
David says
Good to see them beating the Shiite out of themselves!
Politicianophobia says
Trudeau would be out looking for unicorns that day, or following a rainbow, looking for the pot of gold–God knows — we need a few pots to cover the spending habits of Justine. So sick of sick people.
Giacomo Latta says
Another ethnic ritual for you to try, Trudeau. Get that cat’o nine tails out of your tickle trunk and start lashing yourself until you see blood, lots of it.
Yitz says
Could someone tell me the difference between this madness and the madness that goes at the gay parade
Carolyne says
I have seen in Spain during the Easter season, men walking in robes with hoods beating themselves with chains. They were in a procession with others carrying efigies of various religious characters. It appeared that they were beating themselves lightly and there was no blood. That was barbaric enough but this bloodletting is obscene.
Frank Anderson says
Carolyne, I think the main reason for this display is to intimidate and sicken the infidels watching with the violence and brutality of the moment. If they are willing to do “that” to themselves; how much worse are they willing to do to “us”. I have seen several movies about really old times where plagues swept Europe and groups of Christians went around beating themselves bloody with self-flagellation hoping to obtain divine relief from the killing sickness. A lot of good things can be said or written about Christianity and its origin Judaism. But I think the best is they are capable of learning and changing.
Through centuries of research and study, often at the displeasure of the Church, medical knowledge has shown God’s way to fight many diseases. How many diseases and how much poverty, and how much slavery, has been cured or treated under “final, perfect, complete and unchangeable” islam? Ask the oil rich with their billion dollar yachts, their billion dollar airplanes, and their hundreds of billions of dollar decorative building projects. You might get sent to prison or executed for blasphemy.
Leon Degney says
Frank, you say “medical knowledge has shown God’s way to fight diseases”. Now if the bloke known as Jesus, who, by the way, was apparently the creator of everything and everyone. was such a great teacher my question is why didn’t he teach people about prevention and curing of diseases? Not a word did he say about this in any of his preachings. In those days people were dying in droves from the likes of leprosy and various plagues of one variety or another. Even his mate Lazarus died of some disease probably leprosy. The Jews learned that if they burned their stuff ie buildings and clothes they stood half a chance of survival, but to the best of my knowledge, it wasn’t Jesus who told them.
Frank Anderson says
L.D. you ask absolutely fair, righteous, and honest questions. I do not say I am a Christian because I have my questions. I ask my Christian friends to give me the room to think as I do, while giving them room for what I consider their errors. I believe there is room in God’s world for human error. I believe I have been shown there is room for my errors, past and present. Most of what I believe, I am totally unable to prove to an objective, scientific observer.
But those beliefs help me deal with some really harsh daily challenges. I love the Jewish version of the Golden Rule that I believe was stated by Maimonides, “Don’t do unto others that which you would not want done unto you.” I contrast that with the common version where the word “have” replaces the word “want”. To me, I would demand or require, “have” much less than I would ask, hope for, request, “want”. So while you are asking many of the same questions I asked many years ago, I am following my uncle’s example saying to continue asking them, and when you find YOUR answers, they will be the right ones for you.
Burner Jack says
Muslims! No need to beat yourselves up.
We’ll do it for you. C’mere…
Frank Anderson says
B.J., Come On! That would just give them an excuse, like they need one. . . Enjoy the show from a safe distance, like about 8,000 miles.