Germany: Muslim cleric says ‘Christmas is an insult to Allah’
UK: Muslims slam Muslim boxer for celebrating Christmas
“‘Jews and Muslims love Christmas just as much as Christians,’ insists Trump,” by Graig Graziosi, Independent.ie, December 18, 2021 (thanks to Henry):
In a bizarre interview by US TV presenter Mike Huckabee former President Donald Trump claimed he brought back saying “Merry Christmas” and that Jewish and Muslim people love the holiday as much as Christians….
He said he encouraged his supporters not to shop at stores that “don’t say Merry Christmas”.
Mr Trump then goes on to claim that “Americans love Christmas”, regardless of their spiritual beliefs.
“Whether you’re Muslim, whether you’re Christian, whether you’re Jewish, everyone loves Christmas,” he said….
Buraq says
Muslims love Christmas ……… ?? Clearly a case of political taqiyya! Remember that Trump is in political danger from Democrat perfidy, and so it’s justified to massage the truth.
revereridesagarin says
And Trump can be so benevolently naive about these things sometimes, he may actually believe it on some level. Islam has not learned tolerance of other belief systems. We ignore that at our peril, and too many ignore it all the time.
mortimer says
Revere … President Trump is not naïve about Islam. During his first campaign, he remarked, ‘I think Islam hates us. There’s this hate there (in Islam) … we’ve got to get to the bottom of it.’
This is one of the boldest and most accurate comments about Islam made by a top Western politician.
john smith says
Agreed Mortimer, Trump is definitely not naive about islam. After having a bit of a disagreement with pope Francis he said something like “If only the pope knew what muslims had in store fore him.” I believed at the time he was referring to an article that had just appeared here at JW. That article stated that it was the muslims ambition, to re-conquer Rome and to behead the pope in Saint Peters Square.
Trump is definitely aware as to what muslims are up to.
Bruce Crichton says
Trump is establishment on Islam, always has been, recall his reaction to the draw Muhammad contest.
gravenimage says
Sadly I think you are right, revereridesagarin. We’ve seen this sort of thing before.
jewdog says
Ok, I get it. The Grinch is Muslim.
mortimer says
reply to jd: Pretty much. No other religion is so hypersensitive about Christmas.
Keith O says
Mortimer, I have to disagree with you on this.
Us Pagans have no love of Christmas purely for what it represents and the way this time of year has been distorted.
Given the amount of Pagans who have been butchered over the centuries in Jesus’s name,,,
Look at it this way, If you were a Jew wold you celebrate Adolf Hitlers alleged date of birth because it had become a social norm?
Hey, If Christians want to hold a party for the birth of their figurehead, let them go for it.
Just don’t expect every other belief system to be excited by it.
We don’t expect everyone else to celebrate Beltain, Samhain, Embolic or any of our other sabbath’s with us so why should Christians feel that everyone should be happy about Christmas?
mgoldberg says
‘Compliments of the Season’ is what I’ll offer you then…
When Christians say ‘Merry Christmas’ to me… I say it right back to them with a smile.
And I’m a Jew, and have no inherent belief in their messiah… and I know the history very very well. However, the meaning of our Judea Christian civ. and culture is at it’s best… like a highj ump contest. Wel in that Judeo Christian civ, compete to achieve a certain level that we all should strive towards. and no matter what ideology one feels is the best or superior or whatever, we expect, all of us to maintain a certain level of civic lawfulness, and so…. to you, a pagan, I will then, offer you a hearty, seasonal, ‘Complements of the season :^))
Infidel says
Goldberg
I have exactly the same reaction: I wish people ‘Merry Christmas’ even though I’m not Christian. When I was a kid, my parents did celebrate w/ tree and gifts and all that, although I don’t do the latter
I’ve never gotten the point of pagans and atheists who take offense at the term. As a Hindu, I’m the closest thing to a pagan that you can get, and I’m not offended
gravenimage says
Keith–with all respect–this is silly. No Christians are killing Pagans.
And unlike Muslims, you and your fellow Pagans are clearly not blowing up Christmas shoppers.
gravenimage says
Thanks, mgoldberg and Infidel.
Rufolino says
It isn’t the Christian Religion which makes most people happy about Christmas. It is the prospect of all the boozing and eating to excess, under the name of “good cheer”,which lifts people’s hearts.
gravenimage says
I don’t drink and I love Christmas, Rufolino! There is such a thing as being too cynical. Merry Christmas!
mortimer says
Christmas is the Feast of the Incarnation (of God). The teaching of God taking on the body of a man is the sin of ‘shirk’ in Islam. Shirk or ‘wrong worship’ is so offensive to the Muslim clerics that they make up any calumny about Christmas that suits them, no matter how far-fetched. But taqiyya in defense of Islam is considered ‘good’.
The mullahs understand the theological meaning of Christmas and deeply despise it, because it is one of the biggest threats to Islam. Islam has no season of joy, good will and love in it.
Trump is right: practically everyone enjoys Christmas. Many non-Christians enjoy Christmas carols and the fun and good will prevailing in the season.
In contrast, Islam’s biggest event of the year (RAMADAN) is called the MONTH OF JIHAD, SLAUGHTER and CONQUESTS. The contrast between the Christmas season of love and the Ramadan season of hate (Ramadan) could not be much greater.
mgoldberg says
I’m Jewish… my favorite Christmas movie is ‘We’re no Angels’- Humphrey Bogart, Aldo Ray, Peter Ustinov, Leo G Carrol, Basil Rathbone. My favorite little moment occurs when Peter Ustinov, tips his hat, after the whole three ring circus of a movie story winds down and he passes an ordinary couple with his charming little hat tip, and ‘Complements of the Season’
gravenimage says
🙂
Infidel says
President Trump still hasn’t lost his old habit of sometimes issuing exaggerated, blanket statements, and given that he’s above 70, he’s not likely to. The fact that he (almost) had the right policies as president should be adequate, and we can gloss over his sweeping generalization of the statement that ‘everyone’ loves Christmas
mortimer says
But Infidel, it’s not a great exaggeration. It’s similar to saying ‘Everybody likes ice-cream.
gravenimage says
Maybe for most civilized Westerners, Mortimer–but not for pious Muslims.
somehistory says
mozlums don’t *love* anything, but they see Christmas as an opportunity to do a lot of killing…masses of people on the streets, in and out of stores, malls, parades, and just being happy and not thinking of being made the victims of a terror attack by being bombed, or run over by an SUV, or knifed inside a crowded store.
Christmas is a bonanza for shop-owners , of all descriptions, atheists, mozlums, Jews, Christians, etc., as people spend more than they have to celebrate the day and do a lot of giving.
Christmas is a bonanza for those wishing to carry out terror on other humans.
Some people, Mr. Trump included, don’t wish to make waves by telling it all like it really is. He didn’t mind making some waves, and will likely make more, but when it comes to *everyone* loving something he sees as a **good** thing, such as Christmas, he wants everyone to be happy.
He probably likes the story of “Scrooge.” The old guy, bah-humbug, ended up celebrating and wishing Merry Christmas.
mozlums don’t end up liking and wishing Merry Christmas…they hate Christians and everything they see as opposed to their satanic ways.
Rarely says
Everyone loves Christmas…except those who don’t.
Almost everyone loves the break…especially school kids.
As a festival Christmas can be very colourful… most people like that.
BUT, as a religious occasion, he couldn’t be more incorrect. Even some Christians (CINOs) have their doubts.
Just Trump being Trump.
somehistory says
A judge ruled a few days ago that a Christmas tree us not a religious symbol.
I have met religious Jews who were not Jews for Jesus, but celebrated Christmas.
And just because some Christians are not sure about celebrating what was once a pagan thing…the tree, going about singing in the streets, etc., does not make them Christian in name only. There is no proof that Jesus was born on Dec. 25 or that He wanted His birth to be celebrated in the ways people do.
The “fruits” produced prove whether a person is claiming to be, but not doing as commanded to do. Or that their claim to be is legitimate. The fruits matter, following the two greatest commandments matter. Not whether a person celebrates Christmas.
Rarely says
I guess it depends on what you mean by “celebrate Christmas”. In what way were those religious Jews you know “celebrating” Christmas?
Perhaps you’d also care to clarify your last paragraph.
somehistory says
They had a tree all decorated in their living room, and presents, etc. You know, celebrating Christmas like most people do.
A person is Christian when they follow to their best ability, the commands of Jesus Christ. Each one must make choices in life…about jobs, clothing, etc. according to their understanding of the Bible. This includes whether or not they should celebrate what was once a pagan festival and a guy changed it to be a so=called, Christian celebration. So a Christian, a True Christian, one who is following to the best of his ability the commands of Jesus, may decide not to celebrate. That decision will not make him a cino as you suggest.
Rarely says
somehistory
I, otoh, would take the term “celebrating” as more than just having Xmas lights. The religious aspect of Xmas would not be “celebrated” by those of other religions — especially those who are religious. But you know that, of course.
somehistory says
Yes, celebrating Christmas and celebrating Christ are not necessarily the same.
I know some people who do not believe in Christ, but go to church for social reasons and have Christmas as the most important day of the year because of their family traditions of getting together, giving gifts and eating. they celebrate Christmas, but not Christ’s gifts to mankind.
gravenimage says
There is both a religious and a secular Christmas. Many Christians celebrate both.
Infidel says
The term ‘everyone’ here is loosely… It doesn’t become a lie just b’cos 100% becomes 85%
Rarely says
So 85% of muslims and Jews “love” Xmas?
Interesting.
Infidel says
I meant 85 % of the world’s total
We know that 25% are muslims, which leaves 75%
75% have nothing against Christmas and celebrate it, even if they’re Buddhist, Hindu, Daoists… Jews are what – 20 million? Out of a world population of close to 8 billion?
Of the 25% that are muslim, I’m granting that 10% are the MINOs that have no issues w/ Christmas
Okay, ‘love’ is really stretching it
Doomer says
What to make of this? Remember SUN TZU. There is a probability Trump is Intentionally saying what he knows to be Untrue
to deceive the enemy,Trump is an admirer of him.
Sun Tzu said “all warfare is based on deception .” In the “Art of War” Sun Tzu says:
a) Deception includes feigning weakness when you are strong
b) Professing ignorance when you are informed.
That would explain why he made a remark about being able to trust the Palestinian leader.
Anyway, NOW I understand Exactly Why Muslims are in Alliance with Leftists:
a) They are far more intelligent than Leftists,in this sense: they Know for a Fact that Leftist-Socialist Ideas Utterly Destroy a country’s ECONOMY.
b) Definitely helping to establish Leftists in control in the West= destruction of its economy=
economic collapse of the West. Making it easier to conquer.
c) Those SAME Muslim leaders have No Intention of applying crazy Leftist economic policy in the Muslim world.
Wellington says
Well, Trump is simply wrong here. Devout Muslims hate Christmas—and any Muslim who likes Christmas would be in trouble with fellow Muslims and is probably largely ignorant of his own faith, which is very common with religious people in general (e.g., how many Christians have read all four Gospels from beginning to end or know what occurred at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.?).
Again I would state there are three Christmases: 1) the religious Christmas; 2) the commercial Christmas; and 3) Christmas as a frame of mind. The commercial Christmas can be excessive and detract from the other two but the more devout the Muslim the more that person will despise all three kinds of Christmas.
Trump has great street instincts but sometimes he displays a lack of pure knowledge. As here. Still, I admire the man immensely and so what I have written functions only as a minor criticism of Trump.
abu taleb says
Theologically, muslims are forbiden to say Merry Christmas to the Christians because it acknowledges the deity of Christ. How come devout muslims love Christmas?
Trump really doesn’t know Islam, I think he should keep his mouth shut in subject he doesn’t know as it will hurt him badly.
Rarely says
If I didn’t know better I’d suspect that Trump has a weird agenda in making such off-beat and so obviously false comments. Is it because he can’t stand being out of the public eye for even one second or is he being entertained by watching people spinning around them — his critics jumping on them and his supporters acting as apologists? Possibly he’s simply trying to stir the pot — it’s a perverse type of entertainment. We’ll probably never know.
One thing for certain — he knows better.
somehistory says
Wouldn’t it be fantastic if mozlums all, with one voice, told him how much they loathe Christmas and everything having to do with it?
Might open some eyes.
Rarely says
Trump knows. He’s just playing with us. (and I fell for it)
Wellington says
I’m not sure Trump knows, or in the alternative he does but stated what he did because he comprehends that a divide and conquer strategy is ordinarily the optimal approach, for instance when President the way he siphoned off some Arab states to tacitly align with Israel against Iran.
Never underestimate this man. He thinks on many levels at the same time. There are few as shrewd as he is and none shrewder. After all, he won the Presidency in 2016 when a huge percentage of people gave him no chance to do so.
Rarely says
Oh he knows what he’s doing all right. He knows just how to stir the pot.
James Lincoln says
Rarely,
You might be right.
Perhaps Pres. Trump was being very cleverly sarcastic…
Rarely says
Ex-Pres Trump is just looking to “stir the pot”. It’s of no concern to him what damage or division he causes. It’s all about Ex-Pres Trump.
gravenimage says
Trump: ‘Whether you’re Muslim, whether you’re Christian, whether you’re Jewish, everyone loves Christmas’
………………..
There are lots of things I admire about President Trump, but this cluelessness is not one of them. Has he missed all the Jihad terror attacks on Chirstmas markets in Europe, and the plots here to attack Christmas tree lighting ceremonies in Portland and San Francisco?
Rarely says
Former President Trump is many things but clueless is not one of them. He likes getting people going regardless of the consequences. It reassures him of his continued powers. On balance the “good” he did may not outweigh the bad he did and continues to do. Is there anything he won’t say or do to keep in the spotlight?
E T says
Rarely, did your father tell you “Son if you can’t say something nice, say something clever but devastating?”
James Lincoln says
Rarely,
Which foreign and domestic policies do you like better:
1. The policies under Joe Biden.
2. The policies under Pres. Trump.
Rarely says
I don’t think much of Biden and Trump had some excellent policies. Nevertheless Biden is President and Trump is a former President (i.e. an Ex-President). The choosing is over for now.
gravenimage says
Rarely, I have noticed that among both Trump supporters and opponents that many consider him virtually omniscient and assume that everything he says is completely calculated, but I don’t believe this is so. He actually says a lot of things off the cuff–including things that are sometimes contradictory.
I think he has generally good instincts when it comes to Islam–and he is solidly anti-Jihad, which sadly has not always been true of all Western leaders. All good.
But there seems to be a great deal he doesn’t know about Islam, and has little interest in learning, and this meant that his policy, though much better than that of most Western leaders, was never entirely coherrent. I’d still rather have him in office, but he was sadly far from perfect.
E T says
Rarely, I actually thought of you today when I read an article, keeping in mind that Trump says he got his booster.
A senior German Cardinal, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, has warned that the likes of Bill Gates, George Soros, Davos Economic Forum head Klaus Schwab are using the Coronavirus pandemic to force the world under total control of globalist super-rich elites.
Cardinal Mueller who serves as a high-ranking judge at the Vatican Court, made these comments during an interview with Austria’s St. Boniface Institute.
“People who sit on the throne of their wealth are seizing an opportunity to push through their agenda. The pandemic has led to “chaos and turmoil” in part do to elites wanting to “snatch an opportunity to bring the people in line” via a global surveillance state.”
Here is the part where I thought of you : The German media were quick to jump on his statement, calling him a conspiracy theorist — Der Spiegal, which receives millions from Bill Gates each year, agreed and said his comments could be anti-semitic.
gravenimage says
Yes–odd that a charity would fund a commercial magazine…
Rarely says
Now you’re getting to the real problem. Getting vaccinated should not be an issue — except for conspiracy theorists. The control that governments can take from the information collected now and in the future is virtually unlimited. Concentrating on that problem would make sense to me. Historically governments rarely, if ever, discard information collected even though its objective has been reached especially if they can find other uses for it.
E T says
Rarely, Here is another Religious leader you can trash for his thoughts.
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano’s message to the American people.
“I Dear American People, Dear Friends, For two years now, a global coup has been carried out all over the world, planned for some time by an elite group of Conspirators enslaved to the interests of international high finance. this coup was made possible. By an emergency pandemic that is based on the premise of a virus that has the mortality rate almost analogos to that of any other seasonal flu virus, on the delegitimization and prohibition of effective treatments, and on the distribution of an experimental gene serum which is obviously ineffective, and which also carries with it the danger of serious and even lethal side effects.”
Rarely says
E T.
He’s certainly entitled to his opinion.
I don’t believe there is much doubt about the pandemic or the effectiveness of vaccines. Where the problem lies, as I see it, is in the control over our lives that we are expected to surrender. To do so over the short term to fight Covid is, I believe, quite reasonable. However, the data being collected on each of us will not necessarily magically disappear when the crisis is over. When has government ever voluntarily disposed of data that might have other uses? When has the government ever given up control once obtained? Ensuring that the data and the control disappear when the crisis is passed (past?) should be our goal.
I don’t see it as a “global coup” but more like a snowball going downhill and gaining momentum and size along the way. I don’t see it as an intent but rather the inevitable result.
gravenimage says
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has also made disturbing antisemitic comments. Not sure I’d cite him.
E T says
Madman Tedros of the WHO says, “It is better to cancel Christmas. An event cancelled is better then a life cancelled.”
Is anybody out there getting the drift? Timing is everything right?
Pray Hard says
He still doesn’t understand islam.