Which does not mean that patriots should think that they should now ally with Islamic groups on social issues. The supremacist imperative of Islam will remain
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MEMRI excerpt:
“American Islamic Scholar Shadee Elmasry: The Muslims’ Alliance With The Left Is A Mistake; If A Liberal Army Were To Liberate Gaza, We Would Be Trading One Problem For Another; The Right At Least Believes In Objective Truth,” MEMRI, May 19, 2023:
American Islamic scholar Shadee Elmasry of the New Brunswick Islamic Center in New Jersey said in an episode of the “Blood Brothers” show that was posted on the 5Pillars YouTube account on June 7, 2023 that Muslims made a mistake by aligning with the political Left because their beliefs contradict Islam and will inevitably lead to “utter war”. Elmasry said that if a liberal army were to liberate Gaza, it would be “trading one problem for another” because the Muslims would then have to “tiptoe” in accordance with the liberal agenda. He said that the Left wants to kill the Islamic faith, that if the political right had wanted to exterminate the Muslims it already would have, and that the Right is better suited for an alliance with Islam because they at least believe in objective truth. In addition, Elmasry said that the true interfaith initiative is to explain to Christians that they are wrong. The 5Pillars channel is a U.K.-based Islamic media platform.
In a May 19, 2023 video posted to the Utica Masjid YouTube account, Elmasry also said that once the Left gets over the Muslims’ “minority badge”, it will “hunt them down” faster than it hunts down Christianity.
Interviewer: “There has been some accusations levied, that you know, quite frankly, we made the mistake – by ‘we’, I mean the Muslim community and our faith leaders – made a gamble allying in with the left. Do you agree with the observation?”
Shadee Elmasry: “Yeah the observation is sound, and deciding that yeah the left is the one that is going to help us, right? They may have helped you in some fringe things, but the root of the matter is that their philosophy’s rooted in their desires. Eventually you are going to cross paths, you have to cross paths with them eventually. But when you do cross paths with them, it’s utter war, right? So, why go into that conflict in the beginning? Cut it from the beginning.”
[…]
Interviewer: “The left seemed, or appeared to be, and some would argue still are, more plausible natural allies because they don’t want to kill you, they don’t want to exterminate you…”
Elmasry: “But they do want to kill your faith.”
Interviewer: “But they don’t want to physically kill you and exterminate you.”
Elmasry: “Okay, fair enough.”
Interviewer: “Now whether we have a generation of apostates or not is another conversation, right? Because the other argument is that the right want to kill, they literally want to exterminate you.”
Elmasry: “Is that really true?”
Interviewer: “I don’t think it is.”
Elmasry: “They may have a lot of hatred but there are Muslims in Alabama, there are Muslims in Texas, there are Muslims in those places. Wouldn’t it have happened already? Wouldn’t some violence have already happened?
[…]
“I think that we eventually will come to an agreement, personally speaking, because these are people who believe in an objective truth, right? And they believe in right and wrong, so we already have something in common.”
Interviewer: “You are talking about what’s generally perceived as the right.”
[…]
Elmasry: “But I wouldn’t get too cozy with anyone who I know, in the future, we are going to cross paths. So what? Do I have to not speak out against atheism now? I can’t speak out against anything? I have to censor myself too much. It’s not a good deal.
[…]
“If a liberal army marched on Israel and said: ‘We are liberating Gaza, we are making Gaza a state.’ I would say we are just trading one problem for another. We are just trading one problem for another because when those people liberate you, you owe them now, right? I don’t want you liberating me, I will liberate myself. Because if you liberate me, now I owe you. Now I have to tiptoe with your agenda.
[…]
“But the idea here that we want to harmoniously – that’s why I don’t like interfaith – it cancels doubt in a sense. If I am going to be all fuzzy wuzzy with you as a priest… but the truth is I want to give you doubt. I need to tell you that you are wrong about Jesus.”
Interviewer: “And is that the only interfaith that Islam acknowledges, where we convey the theme to them? I mean let’s be honest about it. Interfaith [dialogue], from a Quranic perspective, even when Allah tells us to come to a common word with the Christians, is to nearly always tell them that they’ve got it wrong and to worship Allah alone, right?
Elmasry: “Correct, you’re undermining doubt by a lot of those types of interfaith.”
[…]
Interviewer: “We’re assuming that they’re going to do some kind of favor for us down the road or they’re going to protect our rights. If they come into power, it’s game over. They are the last people who are going to care about our rights to have a legal marriage, or a religious marriage, or to have this or that or the other. The last people who are going to care.”
Elmasry: “And they’re going to delete us. They will delete. And why? Because they have done it before. Let me ask you, how many times have Christians backspaced other cultures and other religions? Let’s see… If something’s going to happen, it’s not going to happen just like that. You would have muqaddimah [a prologue]. Like, you’re not going to win at the major league level unless you first succeeded at the minor league level, then single A, double A, triple A, majors, right? You don’t just come out of nowhere.
“Who, which group of people has silenced people, got them fired, ended their careers, controlled industries? Which group of people? And I am not saying the right is our friend, but who has done it? I think that the left has done it far more times, just from my casual observation. Ending careers, controlling industries, on this subject, where it comes to an intersection of this subject, canceling people.
[…]
“Muslims still have the minority badge.”
Interviewer: “Yeah”
Elmasry: “So they tiptoe around Muslims a little bit, right? Because they still got the minority badge in many ways. We have refugees, we have darker skin colors, generally speaking, and Islam is like a minority thing in itself. Get past all that stuff, right, they are going to hunt it down faster than they hunted down Christianity, right?”
Interviewer: “And we’ve seen it.”
Elmasry: “It’s going to be a very interesting future as they obtain more power.”
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims and Leftists are both liars who believe in the concept that the end justifies the means. They will do anything as long as it will benefit their cause in the long run. They will use anyone and anything as long as it is of benefit for them to do so. Yes, they will eventually turn on each other because they fundamentally disagree concerning who should be the master and overlord in the end. That should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
James Lincoln says
CogitoErgoSum,
Perfectly stated, my compliments.
Jim says
I would guess that most people who vote Democrat are not liars, but perhaps true believers. They root for their team, right or wrong. They leave it to the political elites to tell them what they should believe. I recall in church someone asked what they believe. In other words she believed whatever the church leaders said was the doctrine that they should believe. Probably it is the same with Muslims and Democrats.I have noticed with some leftists I know that they do not want to hear any other version of the facts. I read a lot about the awful behavior of our current President, but they do not want to know about it. Instead they fixate on all the leftist explanations of why MAGA is bad and Trump is a criminal and a traitor. For them there is no ‘what about’ when it comes to their preferences, only when it comes to conservative beliefs. They are not liars but simply committed to believe what the leaders of their group say.
Linde B. says
To Jim- Your comments of July 4, 2023 @ 2:46 am and 4:02 am were excellent, and reference critical thinking, and that is what I am all about too. Many Democrats (I call them “DemoncRATS”) and some Republicans (I call them “ReFLUBicans”) do not want to debate other points of view in their arguments; they just want to push through their agenda like Totalitarians. This is un- American and should not be
allowed. And the US media laps it up.
James Lincoln says
I think you’re onto something, Jim.
buck peters says
Arabs have been fighting each other and their neighbours since forever, and then along came islam just made it even worse!
Linde B. says
This interview did not impress me.
Dr. Elmasry could not be objective.
He, like all Muslims, wants to impart
Islam on everyone, but he speaks
very carefully. His greatest goal is in
telling Christians “they are wrong about Jesus.” Why are Christians wrong about Jesus? Because to his mind, Allah is
greater than the Triune God. But he
cannot prove that because Allah
never healed anyone or raised anyone
from the dead, as the Triune God has
done. So I conclude that the orgies
with the 72 virgins in the afterlife of a
Muslim man are what Muslim men
value most about Allah and Islam.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Shema says
This is more of a question about the point you make. The Egyptian says that Muslims need to make sure to tell Christians they are wrong. He doesn’t like interfaith.
I would posit that most Christians feel the same way. They want to not cozy up to Muslims but show them the errors of their ways and to show them why the new testament is true.
Does Islam actually tell it’s adherents to convince or testify to others that their faith is true and to follow it?
I just dont remember a whole lot of talk about convincing or testifying in Islam. It always seemed Islam was more about telling people about it and then if they still didn’t believe, go to war and enslave/kill the disbelievers.
Linde B. says
To Shema- I think you are 100% right about the way Islam gets presented and then what happens if it gets rejected. Satan takes over. 😈
Cia says
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawah
Dawah is recommended in Islam, for Muslims to invite Christians to Islam.
PRCS says
“His greatest goal is in
telling Christians “they are wrong about Jesus.” Why are Christians wrong about Jesus? Because to his mind, Allah is
greater than the Triune God.”
As a Muslim, he believes Allah is the final god. The supreme god.
Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and ALL other gods–and their followers–are all the same to him.
Linde B. says
To PRCS- Your analysis is correct. But Dr. Elmasry is still wrong because he does not care for his fellow man, in other words- mankind; he cares only for his fellow Muslims. Very sad and tragic to my mind.
jim says
Not in his belief system. Certain religions, such as Talmudic Judaism and Islam, have extremely high levels of in-group preference. Muslims are concerned with the Muslim community as opposed to the outsiders (infidels, etc).
You are likely a Christian so you are projecting your beliefs onto him, judging him as if he was a Christian.
PRCS says
+1
Shema says
That is my fear. Muslims gain sympathy and will be welcomed into whatever right political coalition there is.
Unfortunately with Christianity dying off there are a lot of people who want some sort of stability/purpose in their lives and they don’t see that in the leftist agenda/religion.
I say dying off of Christianity not as some sort of derogatory claim. I am still careful about saying that because it does seem there is usually some sort of revival of sorts when things look there worst. I hope for a revival.
Raymond says
It was only a matter of time for them to clash and the Left to get their hand burnt as Allah’s words come into play.I said a year ago I hope I am alive to see Islam start its attack on the liberals.
Fitna says
If there really is a growing rift/animosity between the Left and Islam…that’s great for everyone because both groups are pretty dangerous on their own and would be a greater challenge if they were united.
Hopefully the LGBT sounds the alarm on the Left on Islam…then the rest of us non-Muslims can unite against this death cult.
Generally Christians/Conservatives are ahead of the game and we need an uncompromising approach…and I know traditionally the Right/Left are adversaries but I really hope on Islam we can all come together to work on removing this evil ideology…then we can go back to fighting over other issues after.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Unfortunately, this is one alliance I’m not willing to sign off on. It’s true that islam is sociopathic, but so is the LGBTQIA+ movement – particularly the TQIA+ subset of the movement. Both are about sexualizing kids, and only difference b/w them is that one group wants to subvert the authority of parents, while the other wants parents to have the right to honor-kill their kids
I see this war as an Alien vs Predator War – and there have been many the last 2 decades. I’m perfectly happy to let Antifa thugs and islamic thugs duke it out, whether on the streets of Paris, Detroit or anywhere else. In a sane world, we’d have law enforcement that would not just lock up both these groups but also throw away the key, but instead, we have George Soros underwriting prosecutors to not pursue real crime, but just go after conservatives everywhere. So the next best thing is to let these 2 groups of thugs take each other out, & hopefully, there will be none of them left standing when it’s all done
Linde B. says
To infidel- I would definitely vote for you if you ran for any office. 👍🤗💃🕺
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Thank you, Linde. Not that I would: I’m more of an operations person than leadership material
Wellington says
“So the next best thing is to let these 2 groups of thugs take each other out, & hopefully, there will be none of them left standing when it’s all done.”
A beautiful sentiment, Infidel. If only.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Thank you, Wellington
FYI says
No,the musllims are wrong about Jesus:Jesus is NOT a muslim as they insist.
And the muslims are wrong about the TORAH which allah says he gave to Moses{koran 2:87},confirms {koran 3;3}…and even says to check it{koran 10;94} ..but if muslims do that they would figure out the ‘scholars’ and dawa folk are telling fibs:The ACTUAL TORAH is violated by what the koran teaches-but hilariously,allah actually permits muslims to check with the Bible People{koran 10:94} which is why the Bible is banned in islamic countries.
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islamic ‘scholar’?How can you have a Doctorate and NOT figure that out!
The fact that allah confirms the Torah ..and yet contradicts the Torah? proving he didn’t author the Torah.
The fact that he MISSED the whole of the Law and its meaning{=the Golden Rule}?
Any chance the doc of islam could see the problem with that?
I am sorry but I just laugh at this El masry.,Dr of islamic ‘studies’.!allah did not give his muslims operating frontal lobes.allah of the quran is NOT EVEN OMNISCIENT as is clear from the Scientific,Theology{koran 5:116} the violation of the Laws of Moses written in the Torah which allah confirms and… somehow FORGOT?
I mean did the scholars of islam MISS all the errors in allah’s holey book?the HOLES IN THE NARRATIVE business?The koran is NOT perfectly preserved.
Oh and perhaps he might answer a difficult dilemma for muslims and leftists:
A non-muslim is the WORST OF CREATED BEINGS {koran 98:6}
Do you agree YES or NO?
And WHY?
If you are a muslim of course you say YES{so you are a supremacist}if you say NO you cannot follow allah and so are ”the worst of created beings'{in fact a devout muslim who is friends with a non-muslim is ALSO the ‘worst of created beings’ koran 5:51.How nuts is that?}
A leftist,incidentally,by virtue of not being a muslim “is the worst of created beings”.Lefties don’t get that and muslims won’t ever answer hat question about koran 98:6
islam even MISSED the Golden Rule which is in the Bible which allah confirms {koran 3:3}. and which is actually the MEANING of the law of Moses according to the JEW{not muslim} Jesus Christ[Matthew 7 v 12}
And Doctors of islam cannot see the problem with THAT?
They don’t even see it!
FYI says
For the ‘scholars’ of islam..
1}allah does not permit final penitence{koran 4:18} and sends GOOD people to hell{koran 98:6} so he is UNJUST AND UNMERCIFUL:the exact opposite of the Biblical God who does permit final penitence{as long as there is a willingness to repent through Jesus} and does not arbitrarily send people to hell ..and certainly not due to a THEOLOGICAL MISUNDERSTANDING on allah’s part{allah accuses Christians of Shirk but mistakenly and laughably insists MARY-yes MARY-is one of the 3 gods koran 5:116}So allah sends christians to hell due to an epic misunderstanding on his part{also Jews,muslim women,Hindus,People with black faces..yep,they are all going to hell.}
2}If allah insists he gave the TORAH to Moses{koran 2:87}} then how did he MISS the entire contents of the TORAH{The 2 Chief Laws,The Golden Rule’s importance,Exodus 20 laws} which are all VIOLATED by what the koran teaches?
3}allah is OK with the Jews being in Israel koran 17:104.
WHAT is the point of hizbollah?
Do the Palestinian muslims not know that?
koran 5:21 “the HOLY LAND which allah hath ordained for you”{That’s the JEWS}
allah SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF THE JEWS TO LIVE IN ISRAEL
4}muslims who pray in public are HYPOCRITES{koran 4:142}
allah CONDEMNS muslims who attack the Gospel as evil{koran 5:47}
Yet muslims ‘pray’ in public showing us infidels they are hypocrites and offending allah and they attack Christian street preachers.
Why do muslims never get Irony?Is it because ‘scholars’ of islam and clergy prefer to keep them in the dark?{YES}And don’t want them to know about all the ERRORS in the koran or allah’s challenge of koran 10:94?
4}The koran 10:94 allah’s Challenge.
allah says to check with the Bible People.The Bible is NOT corrupted.muslim ‘scholars’ say that to STOP muslims from figuring it out.But allah is OK with it!Funny that isn’t it?
Isn’t that WHY the Bible is banned in islamic countries?But WHY if allah confirms the Bible{koran 3:3} and says to check it{koran 10:94}?
Because then the ‘scholars’ of islam would be exposed as frauds,right docs of islam?
Michael Copeland says
Muslims are repeatedly flattered in the mosques that they are “the best of peoples raised up for mankind”, because they “enjoin the right and forbid the wrong” (Koran 3:110). That is the law of Allah. Islamic teaching insists that Allah has no partner.
Yet who was it who commanded what is right? Allah and his messenger (Koran 33:36).
Who was it who forbad what is wrong? Allah and his messenger (Koran 9:5).
In each case it was not Allah alone. It was Allah AND HIS MESSENGER. Note: not Allah OR his messenger. No. It was a joint decision, by two parties acting together as partners.
The Koran itself contradicts what the “scholars” claim. The Koran is the word of Allah.
Linde B. says
To FYI- WOW! Your comments of
July 4, 2023 – 2:51 am & 3:26 am are real eye-openers, and thank you so much for them. I am going to use your comments as a reference so when I speak with any Muslim person, I will have this knowledge to challenge them. Again, thank you so very much, FYI.
Gourdhead says
Islime needs to be eradicated from this country.
jca reid says
It is Muslims & Islam that is out to delete EVERYTHING non-Islamic. The Left are a bunch of dingbats! It is the individuals in there that want to live live like Royalty. The 99.99% of the populace to support this ideal are cast down into the sewers!
OLD GUY says
Maybe the LGBTQ+ will figure it out before they are invited to a high rise roof party by their new Muslim friends.
Linde B. says
To OLD GUY- Haha! You are a
quiet riot!
David M says
Yeah, I got that one too. The Muslims would invite the gay people to try skydiving from the roof…. without a parachute.
Linde B. says
To David M- You got that right. And while on the face of it we can laugh, the deeper implications are satanically inspired. 😈
oren says
I dont think muslims have much to worry about from the right. Freedom allows muslims to continue to exist, but freedom of speech would probably tear apart the muslim community. That being said, there is little threat that freedom of speech becomes massively powerful. Even under the right it would be weak, and prone to betrayal. In the end it is nothing more than a strategic consideration, the left is close to taking over, if the left achieves a fascist government, they will no longer need the muslims. Communists outlaw religion, they know islam is a threat. Therefore, it is better for the muslims to vote for the right wing, to make it harder for the left to take over. In G-d I trust.
Again, pertaining to free speech, I think it will not be to hard in america and europe to cut deals ending koran burning, and other such actions, and that would be the extent of the real danger of the right.
The communists got power from american mercenaries working for the bankers, but that excluded, their premise is that everyone is equal in communism. Today, they would need to be anti racists, can they serve white nations and send muslims to re education camps that maybe relocates them? I think they could, the point is that the commies would crush the religious and the right wing with anti racism, not that they are consistent. The left will not rise up, and lies about re education are easy.
PRCS says
Ooops!
That +1 was for Jim.
Ture, judging him per Christian values will convince neither him nor his billion+ fellow Muslims to leave “their faith”.
TimS says
This is clearly a calculated shift. I see other messages urging an end to this alliance. Now we see an concerted effort to make a fake alliance with the right:
https://islamism.news/research/in-depth-analysis/a-conservative-islamist-alliance/
Islam serves Islam. Making common cause with it will not help you, as that article illustrates abundantly.